Spurrier zings The Liar

[Tipmoose]

http://coachingsearch.com/home/2438-steve-spurrier-the-no-1-class-drove-urban-meyer-to-retirement.html




"The only thing I know, back in 2008, I think Florida had the No. 1 class, and two years later, that No. 1 class drove Urban Meyer to retirement. Of course, he came back a year later and he's an excellent coach, but I know later there were comments that that No. 1 class just didn't pan out. Of course, it usually pans out at Alabama every year. But, again, recruiting is extremely important, but after they get there is really what's most important."

[GatorAvatar]

Congratulations. Well done OP.

[geauxgator1]

he's totally different isn't he?.. and one of the great college coaches of all time. Proud he was a Gator. I'm glad we have WM right now, but I loved him when he was here. It would be interesting to see where we would be if he was still in Gaineville, I need that crystall ball. I'd have to think we would have won at least one more NC, maybe 2.

[rserina]

That sounds like a real zinger. "Spurrier compliments Meyer on being a great coach."

[geauxgator1]

That sounds like a real zinger. "Spurrier compliments Meyer on being a great coach."

SOS's way of saying he was a real a__hole.

[rserina]

SOS's way of saying he was a real a__hole.
Yet they had a good relationship, talked in the summers, Meyer visiting with Spurrier at the league meetings about living in Gainesville, coaching at Florida, balancing work and family. Sounds like a real strained relationship.

[ArtDeco]

That sounds like a real zinger. "Spurrier compliments Meyer on being a great coach."

What color is the sky on your planet?

[gatorbogey]

i think he was just pointing out that even w/ the #1 class, things can go haywire. bama, seems to be immune to it. it may be more about just getting in the top guys that are top character guys. too often, it appears, some of the top 5-stars have peaked, or are primadonna's or have coasted on their natural abilities and don't want to put the work in to get to that next level. bama seems to be immune thus far.

[KronoGator]

he's totally different isn't he?.. and one of the great college coaches of all time. Proud he was a Gator. I'm glad we have WM right now, but I loved him when he was here. It would be interesting to see where we would be if he was still in Gaineville, I need that crystall ball. I'd have to think we would have won at least one more NC, maybe 2.

I doubt it, he won 1 in 12 years, he wouldn't have matched or exceeded Meyer's 2.

[gator85jd]

That sounds like a real zinger. "Spurrier compliments Meyer on being a great coach."

Sounds to me like he called him a quitter who (1) quit on the program he loves and (2) quit on the 2008 Gator signing class.

[geauxgator1]

Sounds to me like he called him a quitter who (1) quit on the program he loves and (2) quit on the 2008 Gator signing class.

That's kind of what I said.. just a little more detail.

[socraticsilence]

SOS's way of saying he was a real a__hole.

Its good Meyer didn't get asked to respond- I imagine it would've involved something about stress being harder on the recruiting trail than it is on the 15th green at Augusta.

[socraticsilence]

Sounds to me like he called him a quitter who (1) quit on the program he loves and (2) quit on the 2008 Gator signing class.

Yeah Spur really had Rex and Jabar's back after that Orange Bowl.

[gator85jd]

Its good Meyer didn't get asked to respond- I imagine it would've involved something about stress being harder on the recruiting trail than it is on the 15th green at Augusta.

Yeah, that might have been Meyer's comeback. Or his response might have been to clutch his chest and fall on the ground in a fetal position -- then have Shelly come and carry him away. :laugh:

[td21]

Imagine spurrier's offense with muschamps def and recruiting

[GATORAZ]

SOS brings up Bama in every chance he gets

[DuPontGator]

Yeah, that might have been Meyer's comeback. Or his response might have been to clutch his chest and fall on the ground in a fetal position -- then have Shelly come and carry him away. :laugh:

Lmao... Now that's funny

[geauxgator1]

Yeah, that might have been Meyer's comeback. Or his response might have been to clutch his chest and fall on the ground in a fetal position -- then have Shelly come and carry him away. :laugh:

Nice

[DuPontGator]

I can picture her carrying that little dork out with his Nd pjs on.

[JohnC1908]

Yet they had a good relationship, talked in the summers, Meyer visiting with Spurrier at the league meetings about living in Gainesville, coaching at Florida, balancing work and family. Sounds like a real strained relationship.

Lulz.

[gator85jd]

I can picture her carrying that little dork out with his Nd pjs on.

:laugh::yes::laugh:

[geauxgator1]

Yet they had a good relationship, talked in the summers, Meyer visiting with Spurrier at the league meetings about living in Gainesville, coaching at Florida, balancing work and family. Sounds like a real strained relationship.

A real love fest no doubt. SOS spares no one's feelings, he just lets it go, but sometimes in a round about way. Not saying SOS despises the guy, but he has a way of jabbing it in, even to people he may know. I don't know how SOS really feels about Meyer, but in my mind there's no doubt what he was saying this time.

[GreenNNScaly]

Ol' Spur Dog is a pot stirrer, there's no doubt about that.

But sometimes he makes you wonder.

Is he motivated by a bit of jealousy OR at times,

IS HE JUST TRYING TO KEEP SOUTH CAROLINA IN THE CONVERSATION???

[phatGator]

Sounds to me like he called him a quitter who (1) quit on the program he loves and (2) quit on the 2008 Gator signing class.

Sounds to me like you heard what you wanted to hear. The video starts with SOS saying, "You never really, really know what you got until you play it out and so forth." The context is the importance of national signing day. He was saying he doesn't get too excited about NSD because you never know how a class will turn out anyway, and brought up that Gator class as an example of a number 1 class that didn't pan out.

He said nothing about loving UF. He said nothing about UM quitting on the class. He was talking about the relative importance of NSD in the big scheme of things. But haters will hate.

[geauxgator1]

IS HE JUST TRYING TO KEEP SOUTH CAROLINA IN THE CONVERSATION???[/B]




Or just himself..I love the guy, but he's a provacateur.

[tedunderhillstab]

I doubt it, he won 1 in 12 years, he wouldn't have matched or exceeded Meyer's 2.

Couldn't disagree more. If Spurrier's 95 team plays 2006 Ohio State then Spurrier has back to back National Championships.

Lets count Meyer's SEC championships v. Spurrier - that would be no contest.

Lets see if Meyer can ever sustain success over an 8 or 9 year period. Maybe he will at OSU, maybe he will not. I doubt he will be there 5-6 years.

[geauxgator1]

Couldn't disagree more. If Spurrier's 95 team plays 2006 Ohio State then Spurrier has back to back National Championships.

Lets count Meyer's SEC championships v. Spurrier - that would be no contest.

Lets see if Meyer can ever sustain success over an 8 or 9 year period. Maybe he will at OSU, maybe he will not. I doubt he will be there 5-6 years.

Yeah, I've got to think with SOS at UF for another 12 years we would have had 1 or 2 NC's.

[GatorAvatar]

Old geezer has no class...but I still like him (He beats Clempson).

[GatorAvatar]

Couldn't disagree more. If Spurrier's 95 team plays 2006 Ohio State then Spurrier has back to back National Championships.

Lets count Meyer's SEC championships v. Spurrier - that would be no contest.

Lets see if Meyer can ever sustain success over an 8 or 9 year period. Maybe he will at OSU, maybe he will not. I doubt he will be there 5-6 years.

'If'...I like that word.

[1984Gator]

It seems Spurrier comments got Meyer riled up and now he's rubbing every coach in the B1G's nose in it regarding his recruiting prowess. OSU didn't look very good last year. Watch them get stomped this year. I don't think he's very good at developing players without his talentyed assistants!

[GatorAvatar]

It seems Spurrier comments got Meyer riled up and now he's rubbing every coach in the B1G's nose in it regarding his recruiting prowess. OSU didn't look very good last year. Watch them get stomped this year. I don't think he's very good at developing players without his talentyed assistants!

Lol. He went 12-0 with new assistants. How is his overrated former assistant Dan Mullen doing?

[geauxgator1]

It seems Spurrier comments got Meyer riled up and now he's rubbing every coach in the B1G's nose in it regarding his recruiting prowess. OSU didn't look very good last year. Watch them get stomped this year. I don't think he's very good at developing players without his talentyed assistants!

I don't know about developing players or not. You hear so much stuff it's hard to separate fact from rumor. I do think he's building up a monster at OSU, but again, how long he can hang in there well be interesting to see. He may have another epigastric attack if Michigan beats him a couple of times.

[wygator]

Lol. He went 12-0 with new assistants. How is his overrated former assistant Dan Mullen doing?

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

[KronoGator]

Imagine spurrier's offense with muschamps def and recruiting

I dunno, an 87th ranked offense would be better then 102 but it wouldn't be that great.

[GatorAvatar]

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

So did Meyer depend on his assistant Mullen or not? At OSU he is depending on his new assistants as well?

[madgator]

That sounds like a real zinger. "Spurrier compliments Meyer on being a great coach."


yeah....that is what makes it a backhanded compliment.


everything else was definitely an "up yours" Urban. You are over-rated as a talent developer and have weak fortitude.

but you're a great coach!

Love Spurrier!

[Spleezy]

'I know later there were comments that that No. 1 class just didn't pan out. Of course, it usually pans out at Alabama every year. But, again, recruiting is extremely important, but after they get there is really what's most important.'

Definitely a jab but he was making a larger point about coaching em' up and how they play on the field. The key in the whole article is the 'it usually pans out at Alabama' part which is a credit to Saban and his staff.

[fortmyersgator]

SOS could have just as easily used his consensous #1 class of 2000 at UF.

But this is nothing new for him..he has always held that it is the effort a player makes once he enrolls that is most important.

[FearNoSpear]

SOS could have just as easily used his consensous #1 class of 2000 at UF.

But this is nothing new for him..he has always held that it is the effort a player makes once he enrolls that is most important.

That class won an SEC title as Freshman. Finished 3rd in the nation as sophomores. The '01 team was arguably the best team in the nation that year. Unfortunately he wasn't there for their Jr. And Sr. Seasons so we'll never know what might have been.

[phatGator]

'I know later there were comments that that No. 1 class just didn't pan out. Of course, it usually pans out at Alabama every year. But, again, recruiting is extremely important, but after they get there is really what's most important.'

Definitely a jab but he was making a larger point about coaching em' up and how they play on the field. The key in the whole article is the 'it usually pans out at Alabama' part which is a credit to Saban and his staff.

I took it as a jab on that class, not UM. He was explaining the uncertainty of recruiting and he wants to celebrate on the field in the fall not in the office in February. He acknowledge that currently at Bama it does usually pan out. Maybe a compliment on Saban, maybe hinting at something not quite kosher, or maybe just acknowledging the data.

[rpmGator]

Without Meyer, we would still be behind the Noles in National Titles...

The thing both Spurrier and Meyer have in common, they went somewhere else to coach when the fan base noise got so stupid to think we would never have a loss.

Meyer is the best coach Florida ever had, and all you have to do is look in the trophy case to see why.

[GatorSean]

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.


Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

[Distant Gator]

I agree with Spurrier on the larger point- recruiting is important but somewhat overrated by the masses. And I don't think it was a zinger toward Meyer as much as trying to prove his point using a recent example.

BTW Scout had our 2008 class ranked #12, but Rivals had it #3. Patchan, Will Hill, Omar Hunter and Janoris Jenkins were our top players. Perhaps Scout was more accurate in this case and it wasn't really a top ranked class.

We had the top ranked class in 2007 by any measure and that class did ok.

[GatorSean]

Sounds to me like you heard what you wanted to hear. The video starts with SOS saying, "You never really, really know what you got until you play it out and so forth." The context is the importance of national signing day. He was saying he doesn't get too excited about NSD because you never know how a class will turn out anyway, and brought up that Gator class as an example of a number 1 class that didn't pan out.

He said nothing about loving UF. He said nothing about UM quitting on the class. He was talking about the relative importance of NSD in the big scheme of things. But haters will hate.

Pretty much. The entire context of this was him trying to explain why USC only had the 8th best class in the SEC.

Sometimes the class rankings matter, sometimes they don't matter, unless you're Alabama, in which case they always seem to matter. Really not that complicated if your perspective isn't skewed by irrational hate.

BTW, didn't Spurrier have the #1 recruiting class in 2000? Didn't he quit on them a year later?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Lets count Meyer's SEC championships v. Spurrier - that would be no contest.

Actually, it's not that far off, either.

Spurrier won 6 in 12 years, including 1991.

Meyer won 2 in 6 years, but if you used the same method that was in place in 1991 he won 3 in 6 years, or essentially the same %. And in a much harder SEC, too.

[jms]

No question Meyer is pathological, and it will catch up to him. We have to let it go because we can't change him.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.

But it's high time we stopped hating Meyer for being one of the best and leaving us.

[gatordee]

I miss the ole ball coach. He did sooooo much for UF. imo, He has done more than any other coach in the SEC. I remember when he was first hired at USC and everyone was saying he would be successful there because he would not be able to get the recruits he got at UF. However, he has turned that program around and they are to be respected. IMO, SOS is a much better coach than UM and while UM left because he lost control of the program, SOS left UF to give the NFL a shot. I believe SOS lost some respect for UM because he probably has an idea of what was really going on in UM's head. I cant wait to see what happens at OSU when UM does not have that special qb he has been able to land at his last 3 programs. Kind of funny how he has left as soon as his star qb's got drafted.

[SECund2nun]

Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

Utah and BG did not have to compete against schools above their level like Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. They competed against fellow mid majors who were on their level.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Utah and BG did not have to compete against schools above their level like Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. They competed against fellow mid majors who were on their level.

Isn't that mostly the case at almost all lower-rung schools?

That there are people trying to convince themselves that Meyer isn't a great coach is just blowing my mind right now. Four 0-loss or 1-loss seasons at three schools in 11 seasons, the #1 or #2 active winning percentage, two national titles. It's gotta be hard work to pretend he sucks.

[tilly]

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

Probably about as good as he did at something called Utah.
Kids would line up to play for him just about anywhere.

My guess is Indiana would have had a top 10-15 class with UM there.

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[socraticsilence]

Imagine spurrier's offense with muschamps def and recruiting

Would only work with Spurrier as the HC- if Boom was in charge he'd never let Spurrier throw it that much.

[socraticsilence]

At some point why Spurrier abandoning us for money is better than Meyer leaving due to health concerns is going to have to be fully laid out.

[socraticsilence]

It seems Spurrier comments got Meyer riled up and now he's rubbing every coach in the B1G's nose in it regarding his recruiting prowess. OSU didn't look very good last year. Watch them get stomped this year. I don't think he's very good at developing players without his talentyed assistants!

Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

[JohnC1908]

Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

OSU was not better than UF last year.

[socraticsilence]

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

Do you think Muschamp is a good HC? I'm just asking because the very same argument could be made with him- only he doesn't have a track record of turning around programs at all levels.

[MelBeachGator]

Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

Playing WHO exactly? Get out of here with that...

[socraticsilence]

OSU was not better than UF last year.

Its very, very arguable- they went undefeated- they did admittedly play a much easier schedule. Both team got an abnormally large amount of breaks, etc. What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well- this is not to say we don't have some better wins (though our best win was against FSU)-- and for all the people who say we were 6 turnovers against UGA from running the table, can I please point out that FSU was 5 turnovers against us from beating us for the 3rd straight time- you can't only use turnover logic one way- they're not Flukey for us and skill when we force them- they're skill both ways.

Honestly us against OSU at the end of the year would've been a tossup- look how we played them the year before- we got a lot better but so did they, we both added some freshman and got development, they went from an over his head Defensive Coordinator/LBs coach to a man regarded by basically everyone outside of certain segments of our fanbase as the second best coach in college football.

Seriously, outside of certain people on this board and elsewhere in Gator Nation- Urban Meyer is basically seen as just below Nick Saban in any ranking of current college head coaches and if our year this season is proof of how good Boom is, then how come Meyer's turnaround of an even worse team at OSU doesn't prove the same for him?

[DuPontGator]

Playing WHO exactly? Get out of here with that...

Dude is a Meyer fanboy....

[socraticsilence]

Dude is a Meyer fanboy....

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazing six year run we had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.

[cocodrilo]

As I recall, it was after the Bama game that Shelly called 911 and said her husband was staggering around, holding his chest and saying, "This is the big one."

[CourtNorthGator]

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazing six year run we had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.

I agree with everything you say, but you'll never convince these people that--somehow--UF winning 2 NC and 2 SECs in 6 years under Meyer was worse for us than Ron Zook.

[CourtNorthGator]

Without Meyer, we would still be behind the Noles in National Titles...

The thing both Spurrier and Meyer have in common, they went somewhere else to coach when the fan base noise got so stupid to think we would never have a loss.

Meyer is the best coach Florida ever had, and all you have to do is look in the trophy case to see why.

Yep.

Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

Yep.

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.

But it's high time we stopped hating Meyer for being one of the best and leaving us.

Yep.

[gator85jd]

As I recall, it was after the Bama game that Shelly called 911 and said her husband was staggering around, holding his chest and saying, "This is the big one."

Yep.

[JohnC1908]

Its very, very arguable- they went undefeated- they did admittedly play a much easier schedule. Both team got an abnormally large amount of breaks, etc.

As stated the schedules are not even close. There is no reason to compare what each did.

What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well- this is not to say we don't have some better wins (though our best win was against FSU)-- and for all the people who say we were 6 turnovers against UGA from running the table, can I please point out that FSU was 5 turnovers against us from beating us for the 3rd straight time- you can't only use turnover logic one way- they're not Flukey for us and skill when we force them- they're skill both ways.

By no means am I saying UF dominated but they have signature wins. OSU has none and they got fat off an easy schedule. Which is what he likes up there, God Bless him.

Honestly us against OSU at the end of the year would've been a tossup- look how we played them the year before- we got a lot better but so did they, we both added some freshman and got development, they went from an over his head Defensive Coordinator/LBs coach to a man regarded by basically everyone outside of certain segments of our fanbase as the second best coach in college football.

I'm not really sure how they got better. You can't tell because they didn't play anyone.


Seriously, outside of certain people on this board and elsewhere in Gator Nation- Urban Meyer is basically seen as just below Nick Saban in any ranking of current college head coaches and if our year this season is proof of how good Boom is, then how come Meyer's turnaround of an even worse team at OSU doesn't prove the same for him?
Even when Urban was at UF I didn't care for him personally. I've never believed a thing he says, he's aloof and disingenuous. I don't sit around rooting against him every week but that's why the majoriy Gators don't care for him.

[AndyGator]

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

[AndyGator]

What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well

We beat four out of five top-10 teams. Markedly different than Meyer/OSU. So this is nowhere near a spot on description for what the Gators did.

[GatorAvatar]

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

:roll::grin:

[CourtNorthGator]

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

Who is denying that Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine (UF)? Pretty sure Meyer even said that was one of the big reasons he came to UF. But we won 2 NC here at UF in the school's best ever run in football--2006 and 2008. Under Meyer. That's not a fluke.

[GatorAvatar]

Who is denying that Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine (UF)? Pretty sure Meyer even said that was one of the big reasons he came to UF. But we won 2 NC here at UF in the school's best ever run in football--2006 and 2008. Under Meyer. That's not a fluke.

I think what the Meyer haters are trying to say is he should have won 4 NCs from 2006-2009. With that "goldmine he inherited" any other coach would have done better. :laugh:

[socraticsilence]

As stated the schedules are not even close. There is no reason to compare what each did.


By no means am I saying UF dominated but they have signature wins. OSU has none and they got fat off an easy schedule. Which is what he likes up there, God Bless him.


I'm not really sure how they got better. You can't tell because they didn't play anyone.


Even when Urban was at UF I didn't care for him personally. I've never believed a thing he says, he's aloof and disingenuous. I don't sit around rooting against him every week but that's why the majoriy Gators don't care for him.



They went from 6-7 to 12-0, in both cases playing in the Big 10- now the Big 10 is weak but its not so weak that going undefeated doesn't show a bit more than finishing the year with a losing record.

As to your final statement- just wow, if I have questions about the ability and temperament of a guy whose been here for two seasons and hasn't won anything (11 games is nice, but I don't see us painting "SEC East co-champs/Sugar Bowl runner up 2012" on the side of the Swamp anytime soon), had no previous track record as head coach and can't control himself in big games but if you weren't on board with the hottest coaching prospect out there who won us a national title in year 2 its all good-- yeah that's sound logic.

Finally, as to Meyer "inheriting talent" in 2006, how does that same argument not apply to Boom now? Its not like he came into a talentless roster- basically every big defensive contributor this season was a highly rated recruit signed by Meyer, heck the class before Boom became our HC was widely regarded as one of the most loaded of all-time- Floyd, Elam, Jenkins, Easely-- all big time recruits from said class.

[Swampmaster]

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazinwe had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

[Distant Gator]

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.


This needs to be repeated. But I would say ALL college coaches lie- not just the majority. And yes it's practically a requirement.

I was a scholarship athlete in an non-revenue sport at UF. I got recruited by a number of big programs- as did all my teammates. Furthermore I coach and I have a number of athletes being recruited. Based on my experience I tell my athletes "All college coaches lie. You cannot believe anything they tell you." It doesn't make the coaches bad people.

In their defense- these coaches would call it "managing the situation." I'm sure Meyer would have said the same thing about his last year at UF. He just tried to manage the situation so it didn't hurt our recruiting class.

So I don't blame Meyer for managing the situation- but it does make me appreciate SOS all the more.

[tilly]

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

Percy and Tim say hello!

[GatorAvatar]

Percy and Tim say hello!

Those two were overrated :rolleyes:

[socraticsilence]

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

Wow, you must think our tenure under Boom has sucked if Meyer's wasn't amazing- how many wins does Boom need in 2013 to even be decent coach- 12, 13- because he'd need 14 to equal Meyer's total after year 3, and then he'd have to win 13 again in 2014 and again in 2015.

Seriously, you do realize that our 2006-2009 run was the winningest 4 year stretch in SEC history until this year right? That our off years (9, 9, and 8) are basically what people would find acceptable for Boom this upcoming year right? Is Meyer just held to a different standard because he's that much better of a coach (at this point, in 5 or 6 seasons Boom might be at the Meyer level) or what?

[socraticsilence]

Percy and Tim say hello!

Wait you mean a great coach signs great players and they help him win titles? :whoa:

[JohnC1908]

They went from 6-7 to 12-0, in both cases playing in the Big 10- now the Big 10 is weak but its not so weak that going undefeated doesn't show a bit more than finishing the year with a losing record.

As to your final statement- just wow, if I have questions about the ability and temperament of a guy whose been here for two seasons and hasn't won anything (11 games is nice, but I don't see us painting "SEC East co-champs/Sugar Bowl runner up 2012" on the side of the Swamp anytime soon), had no previous track record as head coach and can't control himself in big games but if you weren't on board with the hottest coaching prospect out there who won us a national title in year 2 its all good-- yeah that's sound logic.

Finally, as to Meyer "inheriting talent" in 2006, how does that same argument not apply to Boom now? Its not like he came into a talentless roster- basically every big defensive contributor this season was a highly rated recruit signed by Meyer, heck the class before Boom became our HC was widely regarded as one of the most loaded of all-time- Floyd, Elam, Jenkins, Easely-- all big time recruits from said class.
Were you responding to my post? You've countered points I didn't make.

[tilly]

Wait you mean a great coach signs great players and they help him win titles? :whoa:

Shhh...Dont agree with me...I'll be labled an "apologist" :ninja:

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[orangeblueorangeblue]

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

Beyond comical. Just downright ludicrous.

[DuPontGator]

Beyond comical. Just downright ludicrous.

Not really...

[socraticsilence]

Beyond comical. Just downright ludicrous.

Seriously, we've won 3 titles in 100+ years and winning 2 of them in a 6 year period isn't a great run.

[WindoverG8tr]

I think Spurrier was indeed talking about over hyped recruiting classes, and yes my reading comprehension is fine, thank you very much. My opinion is that SOS is a bottom line kind of guy. The bottom line on Meyer is that he wins everywhere he goes. So, I think that Spur does indeed concede that Meyer is a great coach. Meyer is a mercenary, as are 99% of all coaches. Is there really anything horribly wrong with that?
Do you honestly think that if Dooley died, and they offered Muschamp double his gator salary, and gave him complete control, say, Dawgman Dynasty, that he absolutely would never-ever go back to UGA? (and yes I realize Dooley is retired but he is still a shadow player in Athens, good for us imo)

Meyer did what he did, but I am over it. Spurrier did what he did, but I am over it.
For now, I love coach Muschamp, but I am prepared for him to do what coaches do somewhere down the road. I'll then get over it.

[socraticsilence]

Not really...

If I could promise you Boom would go 47-7 win 2 national titles and a Heisman Trophy over the next 4 years with no losses to FSU, UGA or Tennessee but would leave at the end of that time, you wouldn't jump on that in a heartbeat?

[tilly]

I can only pray that CWM brings us the same level of "mediocrity" that Urban did.

Some of you are Laughable on the Meyer subject.

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[jms]

Td21, kinda like SOS and Stoops?

[socraticsilence]

Td21, kinda like SOS and Stoops?

shhh...., we're not supposed to mention that.

[gator85jd]

I can only pray that CWM brings us the same level of "mediocrity" that Urban did.

Some of you are Laughable on the Meyer subject.

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I can only pray that CWM leaves like a man if he ever decides to leave. I can only pray that CWM doesn't hold a press conference to tell Gator Nation that he will never throw some other school's colors on his shirt and go coach somewhere else if he knows it's a possibility -- although I think that convinced JF to give Urbie the unearned million dollar retention bonus.

[tilly]

I can only pray that CWM leaves like a man if he ever decides to leave. I can only pray that CWM doesn't hold a press conference to tell Gator Nation that he will never throw some other school's colors on his shirt and go coach somewhere else if he knows it's a possibility -- although I think that convinced JF to give Urbie the unearned million dollar retention bonus.

All true. But what was being questioned was Urbans accomllishments on the field. Those questions are silly.

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[GatorSean]

"This is a special place. I think it is 'the' elite job in the country," Muschamp said of TEXAS.

Muschamp said he immediately accepted the offer. "There was no thought process. I don't think coach Brown got it out of his mouth before I said yes," Muschamp said.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2008-11-18-texas-muschamp_N.htm




So does Muschamp like Texas more than UF, or was he just lying when he said it was THE elite job in the country? If he doesn't become the next head coach at UT, does that make him a liar? I mean, he agreed to be their next head coach.

Why do we keep getting stuck with all these lying coaches?? It's just not fair. :cry:

First we had Spurrier saying for years that he had no interest in the NFL, and then he left for the NFL. :cry:

Then we had Zook. :cry::cry:

Then we had Meyer who said he would never coach again, and now he's coaching again! :cry::cry::cry:

Now we have Muschamp who either thinks Texas is a better job than UF and will leave as soon as the UT job is open, or was just lying like the rest of them when he said that. It's lose-lose! :cry::cry::cry::cry:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :cry:

[DuPontGator]

"This is a special place. I think it is 'the' elite job in the country," Muschamp said of TEXAS.

Muschamp said he immediately accepted the offer. "There was no thought process. I don't think coach Brown got it out of his mouth before I said yes," Muschamp said.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2008-11-18-texas-muschamp_N.htm



So does Muschamp like Texas more than UF, or was he just lying when he said it was THE elite job in the country? If he doesn't become the next head coach at UT, does that make him a liar? I mean, he agreed to be their next head coach.

Why do we keep getting stuck with all these lying coaches?? It's just not fair. :cry:

First we had Spurrier saying for years that he had no interest in the NFL, and then he left for the NFL. :cry:

Then we had Zook. :cry::cry:

Then we had Meyer who said he would never coach again, and now he's coaching again! :cry::cry::cry:

Now we have Muschamp who either thinks Texas is a better job than UF and will leave as soon as the UT job is open, or was just lying like the rest of them when he said that. It's lose-lose! :cry::cry::cry::cry:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :cry:

Retarded comparison. Why rag on the current coach?

[tilly]

Retarded comparison. Why rag on the current coach?

I think his point was...we shouldnt rag on any of them.

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[Tipmoose]

When muschamp lies to us like The Liar did, then I will vilify him just the same. As for The Liar, I will harbor animosity towards him until the day he retires again, or drops over dead, whichever comes first. After that happens, I will remove my sig and will bear him no ill will. But until that day, I will root against him and hope he loses every game he coaches.

[GatorSean]

I think his point was...we shouldnt rag on any of them.

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I thought it was clear... some of these guys have serious comprehension problems.

[DuPontGator]

I thought it was clear... some of these guys have serious comprehension problems.

Can't comprehend dumb posts.

[GatorSean]

When muschamp lies to us like The Liar did, then I will vilify him just the same. As for The Liar, I will harbor animosity towards him until the day he retires again, or drops over dead, whichever comes first. After that happens, I will remove my sig and will bear him no ill will. But until that day, I will root against him and hope he loses every game he coaches.

Just out of curiosity, how does harboring this animosity help you or anyone else? You're certainly free to do and feel as you please, but it seems like this waste of energy over someone who didn't do you any direct harm what-so-ever, and over the course of his entire tenure, was a great benefit to the program we all cheer for.

[GatorSean]

Can't comprehend dumb posts.

Dumb because it makes an obvious point that went right over your head? Well, yeah, that much is clear.

[DuPontGator]

Dumb because it makes an obvious point that went right over your head? Well, yeah, that much is clear.

Exactly...

[GatorAvatar]

Beyond comical. Just downright ludicrous.

Tell me about it.

[GatorAvatar]

Seriously, we've won 3 titles in 100+ years and winning 2 of them in a 6 year period isn't a great run.

Some people never cease to amaze. I would be beyond ecstatic if we won 2 NCs in CWM's first 6 years.

[regator]

At some point why Spurrier abandoning us for money is better than Meyer leaving due to health concerns is going to have to be fully laid out.


Spurrier was never about the money.
He walked away from $15 million at the redskins.
He gave thousands to the uf woman's tennis program.
He gave part of his salary to his assistants

[DuPontGator]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.

[GatorAvatar]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.

:huh: blast away?

[regator]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.


This.
Meyer is a great coach.
I just like spurrier as a man more.
Also meyer lost to more unranked teams in his six years than spurrier by a long shot.
Spurrier lost to one in 12 years that ended up ranked at the end of the year.
That is incredible IMHO
Winning nc has allot of luck involved.
Competing at a high level for a extended period of time does not

[geauxgator1]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.

That's kind of how most people feel about Mr Meyer, i do beleive.

[Tipmoose]

Just out of curiosity, how does harboring this animosity help you or anyone else? You're certainly free to do and feel as you please, but it seems like this waste of energy over someone who didn't do you any direct harm what-so-ever, and over the course of his entire tenure, was a great benefit to the program we all cheer for.

It doesn't provide me any direct benefit other than knowing I'm keeping his lies public instead of letting them be glossed over and forgotten. The absolute most I can hope for is that perhaps a recruit will see my sig at some point and think through exactly what Meyer said and did while he was here and apply that to what he's saying and doing at OSU.

Meyer brought us two NCs. Yes. But in the process he completely broke our program. And then, instead of sticking around to fix it, he came back for a half-assed season to audition his buddy for the HC job. Then he left again, with the program in even worse shape to 'spend more time with his family'. His family, evidently, believed him too, as his daughter was adamant that 'He will NOT be the next coach at OSU". Oh, and along the way he pocketed that 1 million dollar bonus from Foley.

Im angry enough that he lied to us and how he went about leaving. But to lie to your family too? Such a man needs to be held in contempt. And that's just what I'm doing.

[gator85jd]

It doesn't provide me any direct benefit other than knowing I'm keeping his lies public instead of letting them be glossed over and forgotten. The absolute most I can hope for is that perhaps a recruit will see my sig at some point and think through exactly what Meyer said and did while he was here and apply that to what he's saying and doing at OSU.

Meyer brought us two NCs. Yes. But in the process he completely broke our program. And then, instead of sticking around to fix it, he came back for a half-assed season to audition his buddy for the HC job. Then he left again, with the program in even worse shape to 'spend more time with his family'. His family, evidently, believed him too, as his daughter was adamant that 'He will NOT be the next coach at OSU". Oh, and along the way he pocketed that 1 million dollar bonus from Foley.

Im angry enough that he lied to us and how he went about leaving. But to lie to your family too? Such a man needs to be held in contempt. And that's just what I'm doing.

Excellent post. Too many people in sports have pushed character aside. Meyer is a liar. Was he effective while he was here? Yes - for the most part. Does that excuse his lying?

[GatorSean]

It doesn't provide me any direct benefit other than knowing I'm keeping his lies public instead of letting them be glossed over and forgotten. The absolute most I can hope for is that perhaps a recruit will see my sig at some point and think through exactly what Meyer said and did while he was here and apply that to what he's saying and doing at OSU.

Meyer brought us two NCs. Yes. But in the process he completely broke our program. And then, instead of sticking around to fix it, he came back for a half-assed season to audition his buddy for the HC job. Then he left again, with the program in even worse shape to 'spend more time with his family'. His family, evidently, believed him too, as his daughter was adamant that 'He will NOT be the next coach at OSU". Oh, and along the way he pocketed that 1 million dollar bonus from Foley.

Im angry enough that he lied to us and how he went about leaving. But to lie to your family too? Such a man needs to be held in contempt. And that's just what I'm doing.

He 'completely broke the program', but yet just one year after he left we are back in the top 10.

Have you completely forgotten all the good he did for the program? He did FAR more than just bring in 2 NCs. Or do none of these things count for some reason?

Friday Night Lights - that was a Meyer creation. Still lives on today. Helped the program immensely, and is now copied by most other major teams around the nation.

Heavener Football Complex - Another Meyer idea. Not only did he think of it, but he personally lead the fundraising efforts to fund it all. Have you seen it? Do you remember what it was like before??

Inviting former players to the sideline - It was insane we weren't doing this before.

Ring of Honor - Again, Meyer wanted to honor the past to strengthening the program in the future. It's a great addition to our tradition.

'The Promise' plaque - Meyer wanted to make Tebow's words immortal so future generations of Gators could see a piece of the Tebow legacy.

Singing with the band after victories - Another tradition that Meyer brought in that lives on today.

The Gator Walk - and yet another tradition Meyer brought in that lets the fans meet and greet the players before each home game.

And all of this and I didn't even mention the two national championships, the complete domination of our rivals, and a program high GPA and graduation rate among players. So exactly how did he brake the program? Yes, I know he said it himself, but since you keep repeating it, you must know what he meant, right?

Exactly what lies did he tell his family? He did in fact, spend more time with them. He never said he would never coach again. And by all indications, he's been keeping his promises to them at OSU. And either way, I really don't see how what happens between him and his family is ANY of your business.

And the way you guys cry about the $1million is comical. First of all, do you have any idea how much money the program got as a result of Meyer's success? We are coming out far FAR ahead even after the $1million.

And secondly, if you have a problem with the bonus, isn't your problem with Foley, and not Meyer? You guys act like Meyer stole the money from us when in fact, his boss gave it to him. Are we supposed to believe you guys wouldn't expect a bonus payment from your boss even if you didn't deserve it? :lie:

[DuPontGator]

He 'completely broke the program', but yet just one year after he left we are back in the top 10.

Have you completely forgotten all the good he did for the program? He did FAR more than just bring in 2 NCs. Or do none of these things count for some reason?

Friday Night Lights - that was a Meyer creation. Still lives on today. Helped the program immensely, and is now copied by most other major teams around the nation.

Heavener Football Complex - Another Meyer idea. Not only did he think of it, but he personally lead the fundraising efforts to fund it all. Have you seen it? Do you remember what it was like before??

Inviting former players to the sideline - It was insane we weren't doing this before.

Ring of Honor - Again, Meyer wanted to honor the past to strengthening the program in the future. It's a great addition to our tradition.

'The Promise' plaque - Meyer wanted to make Tebow's words immortal so future generations of Gators could see a piece of the Tebow legacy.

Singing with the band after victories - Another tradition that Meyer brought in that lives on today.

The Gator Walk - and yet another tradition Meyer brought in that lets the fans meet and greet the players before each home game.

And all of this and I didn't even mention the two national championships, the complete domination of our rivals, and a program high GPA and graduation rate among players. So exactly how did he brake the program? Yes, I know he said it himself, but since you keep repeating it, you must know what he meant, right?

Exactly what lies did he tell his family? He did in fact, spend more time with them. He never said he would never coach again. And by all indications, he's been keeping his promises to them at OSU. And either way, I really don't see how what happens between him and his family is ANY of your business.

And the way you guys cry about the $1million is comical. First of all, do you have any idea how much money the program got as a result of Meyer's success? We are coming out far FAR ahead even after the $1million.

And secondly, if you have a problem with the bonus, isn't your problem with Foley, and not Meyer? You guys act like Meyer stole the money from us when in fact, his boss gave it to him. Are we supposed to believe you guys wouldn't expect a bonus payment from your boss even if you didn't deserve it? :lie:

Too much to comprehend.

[beanfield]

Without Meyer, we would still be behind the Noles in National Titles...

The thing both Spurrier and Meyer have in common, they went somewhere else to coach when the fan base noise got so stupid to think we would never have a loss.

Meyer is the best coach Florida ever had, and all you have to do is look in the trophy case to see why.

And we gave him (meyer) the perfect vehicle to achive it...but he is what he is.....

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.

I think that's fine.

But some here extrapolate that personal emotion into pretending Meyer isn't among the very best in the business. Which is insane.

[GatorAvatar]

He 'completely broke the program', but yet just one year after he left we are back in the top 10.

Have you completely forgotten all the good he did for the program? He did FAR more than just bring in 2 NCs. Or do none of these things count for some reason?

Friday Night Lights - that was a Meyer creation. Still lives on today. Helped the program immensely, and is now copied by most other major teams around the nation.

Heavener Football Complex - Another Meyer idea. Not only did he think of it, but he personally lead the fundraising efforts to fund it all. Have you seen it? Do you remember what it was like before??

Inviting former players to the sideline - It was insane we weren't doing this before.

Ring of Honor - Again, Meyer wanted to honor the past to strengthening the program in the future. It's a great addition to our tradition.

'The Promise' plaque - Meyer wanted to make Tebow's words immortal so future generations of Gators could see a piece of the Tebow legacy.

Singing with the band after victories - Another tradition that Meyer brought in that lives on today.

The Gator Walk - and yet another tradition Meyer brought in that lets the fans meet and greet the players before each home game.

And all of this and I didn't even mention the two national championships, the complete domination of our rivals, and a program high GPA and graduation rate among players. So exactly how did he brake the program? Yes, I know he said it himself, but since you keep repeating it, you must know what he meant, right?

Exactly what lies did he tell his family? He did in fact, spend more time with them. He never said he would never coach again. And by all indications, he's been keeping his promises to them at OSU. And either way, I really don't see how what happens between him and his family is ANY of your business.

And the way you guys cry about the $1million is comical. First of all, do you have any idea how much money the program got as a result of Meyer's success? We are coming out far FAR ahead even after the $1million.

And secondly, if you have a problem with the bonus, isn't your problem with Foley, and not Meyer? You guys act like Meyer stole the money from us when in fact, his boss gave it to him. Are we supposed to believe you guys wouldn't expect a bonus payment from your boss even if you didn't deserve it? :lie:

This!!!!!

[gator85jd]

And we gave him (meyer) the perfect vehicle to achive it...but he is what he is.....

True. When he knew his gig was up at Utah, he looked at the talent on the roster at Notre Dame and the talent on the roster at UF. He chose the program that offered him the best chance to win quickly. We also paid him quite well. He was a hired gun -- nothing more, nothing less. When his gig at UF was up, he lied to his family, he lied to Gator Nation and the world and got out.

[KronoGator]

At some point why Spurrier abandoning us for money is better than Meyer leaving due to health concerns is going to have to be fully laid out.

How about Spurrier saying that 12 years coaching in the SEC was enough, he's about to start year 21, but he's not a liar, he just changed his mind ;)

[phatGator]

I can only pray that CWM leaves like a man if he ever decides to leave. I can only pray that CWM doesn't hold a press conference to tell Gator Nation that he will never throw some other school's colors on his shirt and go coach somewhere else if he knows it's a possibility -- although I think that convinced JF to give Urbie the unearned million dollar retention bonus.

I am continually amazed that so many people cannot comprehend the context of that statement. The very next action he took after making that statement was PUTTING ON GATOR COLORS. Is that so difficult to understand? He lived up to that statement. It was not a promise forever and he did not leave for a whole year later. He didn't start coaching again until a year after that.

[phatGator]

True. When he knew his gig was up at Utah, he looked at the talent on the roster at Notre Dame and the talent on the roster at UF. He chose the program that offered him the best chance to win quickly. We also paid him quite well. He was a hired gun -- nothing more, nothing less. When his gig at UF was up, he lied to his family, he lied to Gator Nation and the world and got out.

Please tell us an example of one bona fide, documented, proven LIE. Not something you just think, not rumor, not changing direction a year or more later. Nothing vague. Not that colors comment that gets taken out of context. Please give us one undeniable lie that UM told.

[gator85jd]

I am continually amazed that so many people cannot comprehend the context of that statement. The very next action he took after making that statement was PUTTING ON GATOR COLORS. Is that so difficult to understand? He lived up to that statement. It was not a promise forever and he did not leave for a whole year later. He didn't start coaching again until a year after that.

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley, if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.”

How exactly is this being taken out of context? To claim this is taken out of context is absurd, Shelly. And apparently I missed the one year time limit he put on his loyalty. I guess he had to spread the BS deep to get JF to throw the $1 million retention bonus his way. The guy is a liar, plain and simple. How's the weather in Columbus?

[Swampmaster]

meyer -- a good run at fla with the 2 titles--but, he never intended to stay long term---he was waiting for his dream job

[gatordavisl]

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.Optimal genius level post of the thread. After all, there are hoards of coaches and teams that had better runs during those six years.

[gatordavisl]

he completely broke our program. And this is just one of the many reasons your thread sucks.

[Tipmoose]

And this is just one of the many reasons your thread sucks.

Your opinion has been noted. Thanks for playing. I assume you won't be taking part in any further discussion since it sucks so badly.

In short...bite me.

[GATORAZ]

Program was so broken that the team went 11-2 this year with primarily kids Urban recruited. The team needed a new voice and focus. People should be glad he left not upset and crying about it. At the same time he didn't leave the cupboard bare.

[phatGator]

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley, if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.”

How exactly is this being taken out of context? To claim this is taken out of context is absurd, Shelly. And apparently I missed the one year time limit he put on his loyalty. I guess he had to spread the BS deep to get JF to throw the $1 million retention bonus his way. The guy is a liar, plain and simple. How's the weather in Columbus?

The context was an emotional decision to quit, being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence, and an emotional return, all within a couple days. The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors". He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part." It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

When he did leave it was not to coach anywhere else. So, you still haven't produced one bona fide lie.

You know, taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation.

[gator85jd]

The context was an emotional decision to quit, being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence, and an emotional return, all within a couple days. The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors". He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part." It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

When he did leave it was not to coach anywhere else. So, you still haven't produced one bona fide lie.

You know, taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation.

That's too funny! So you fabricate a big story to put his statement in "context" and then you close by saying that "taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation." I have to agree, skipping your narrative and taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation and they explain that he's a weasel.

Tell Nate "Go Gators" for us!

[madgator]

The most important point of what Spurrier said seems to be lost on everyone here.


The guy basically said that Alabama's #1 classes always seem to end up as #1 classes. Florida had a lot of #1 classes that didn't end up as #1 classes.

Basically that Meyer is not a developer of talent. Honestly, there is something to be said for that.

Look at the core of the 2008 team. That was kind of like lightning in a bottle. We caught so many players who were ready to play at the SEC championship level basically right out of the gate.

Harvin
Tebow
Pounceys
Wright
Black
Haden
Jenkins
Spikes
Dunlap
Cooper

think about it. go through the list of players that came on late or developed over their career at UF. Didn't seem to happen as much as the "ready made" guys.

I can really only think of two. Louis Murphy and Ryan Stamper. MAYBE David Nelson

It's certainly a fair point made by Spurrier.

[GATORAZ]

The most important point of what Spurrier said seems to be lost on everyone here.


The guy basically said that Alabama's #1 classes always seem to end up as #1 classes. Florida had a lot of #1 classes that didn't end up as #1 classes.

Basically that Meyer is not a developer of talent. Honestly, there is something to be said for that.

Look at the core of the 2008 team. That was kind of like lightning in a bottle. We caught so many players who were ready to play at the SEC championship level basically right out of the gate.

Tebow
Pounceys
Wright
Black
Haden
Jenkins
Spikes
Dunlap

think about it. go through the list of players that came on late or developed over their career at UF. Didn't seem to happen as much as the "ready made" guys.

It's certainly a fair point made by Spurrier.
you have to remember SOS is obsessed with Bama. It doesn't matter if Urban developed them or not he recruited them and they won. David Nelson is a kid who came on late.

[phatGator]

That's too funny! So you fabricate a big story to put his statement in "context" and then you close by saying that "taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation." I have to agree, skipping your narrative and taking the facts at face value is really the simplest explanation and they explain that he's a weasel.

Tell Nate "Go Gators" for us!

"fabricate a big story"? What was fabricated? You tell us the context.

And please come up with something more original than calling people Shelly and asking how are thing in Columbus. That's so trite.

By the way, you still haven't produced one lie UM told. You are so consumed with hate that you cannot see your own irrationality.

[HotlantaGator]

I harbor no animosity toward CUM, and the 2 trophies in the case speak volumes about the level of success he had here, it was the highest.

But there are also style points.

If you don't win style points don't mean much, but both SOS and CUM won big, CUM won 1 more MNC than SOS while SOS had a greater, more dominant long run than CUM.

But on style points the comparison is not close.

ON style points:

SOS 1000

CUM 10

CUM was a grinder who took himself too seriously, and when another program rose up and became the obvious bully on the block, CUM scampered out of town with his tail b/w his legs, spouting the lamest story about commitment to family.

I am proud of CUM's 2005-2010 teams and their accomplishments, but as a coaching era measured by winning AND personality and flair, he couldn't hold SOS' putter.

[Tebowism0823]

Yes dear.

Now if only you had the mental capacity to notice the comments about Liar retiring and coming back a year later...and how classes always seem to pan out at Alabama...and how its important what you do with the players once you got them....then maybe you'd indicate you have basic reading comprehension skills.

Speaking of Zings.....nicely done.

[Tebowism0823]

As stated the schedules are not even close. There is no reason to compare what each did.

By no means am I saying UF dominated but they have signature wins. OSU has none and they got fat off an easy schedule. Which is what he likes up there, God Bless him.

I'm not really sure how they got better. You can't tell because they didn't play anyone.

Even when Urban was at UF I didn't care for him personally. I've never believed a thing he says, he's aloof and disingenuous. I don't sit around rooting against him every week but that's why the majoriy Gators don't care for him.

Well said.

[Tebowism0823]

I appreciate what Meyer did. I just never liked the guy. He was fake and just unlikable. IMO. Blast away Meyer lovers.

Exactly!

[Tebowism0823]

Your opinion has been noted. Thanks for playing. I assume you won't be taking part in any further discussion since it sucks so badly.

In short...bite me.

lol

[AgingGator]

I believe that any comparison of Spurrier and Meyer should be based on their total tenure at UF and not just their best 4 years. As to the earlier claim that Meyer's 06-08 run was the winningest in SEC history, I think that Spurrier's 95-98 run was equal to 06-08. Saban's run from 08-11, or from 09-12 are actually superior to both.

The only comparison where Meyer wins is in NCs. All other comparisons go to Spurrier. I also think that if we had played ANYONE other than Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl, that would have been even.

Spurrier won 81% of his games over 12 years, Meyer won 80% of is games over 6.

Spurrier had a higher SEC championship %, 58% - 33%.

Spurrier lost 5 times to the eventual NC in 12 years, Meyer lost 2 times in 6 years.

Spurrier lost 13 SEC games in 12 years, Meyer lost 13 SEC games in 6.

Spurrier lost 5 home games in 12 years, Meyer lost 5 home games in 6.

As to the manner in which each departed UF; Spurrier left for two reasons, 1) fan expectations had become too high, and 2)his anger and frustration with Foley for not backing him up when he rightly accused FSU of dirty play in 96 and 01.

Meyer left because he knew the party was over. His "1% of 1%" and "fastest team in America" recruiting philosphy had been laid waste by Saban.

[Spurffelbow833]

The only comparison where Meyer wins is in NCs. All other comparisons go to Spurrier.

In all fairness to Meyer, he did much better against Clown College than Spurrier did. His run caused Bobby Bowden to end up with a losing record against UF, for which I shall forever be grateful.

[phatGator]

The OP referenced an article by a guy that follows Mich State sports. So the writer was looking for something to slam on UM and edited the press conference excerpt to make it look like that. The OP was all to eager to lap it up.

But look at the actual press conference:

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allaccess/?media=365705

Scroll down to the press conference video. The question at 4:29 was about Carolina's class being ranked 8-15 and all the SEC classes ahead of them. The reporter asked if this shows how hard it is to keep up. SOS answered that watching the TV that day made him glad to be in the SEC East. BTW, is that a "zinger" at WM? SOS goes on to make the comment that class ranking is not always a predictor. Then talks about teams never mentioned in signing day news having good seasons.

The whole thing was about Carolina football. It was not zingers aimed at anyone. But I know some of you have to shoot up that hate coke any time you can find it.

[socraticsilence]

Exactly!

I guess I kind of get this, you essentially felt for Meyer what I feel about our current coach-- that he wasn't a good fit, if he can prove me as wrong as Meyer proved you I'll be a happy man.

[regator]

How about Spurrier saying that 12 years coaching in the SEC was enough, he's about to start year 21, but he's not a liar, he just changed his mind ;)

No he said 12 years in one place.
Besides time changes things.
He also didn't think he would be coaching this long

[regator]

In all fairness to Meyer, he did much better against Clown College than Spurrier did. His run caused Bobby Bowden to end up with a losing record against UF, for which I shall forever be grateful.

That is because spurrier played them at their peak. They won two nc during that time.
Meyer played them when they were down

[demosthenes]

That is because spurrier played them at their peak. They won two nc during that time.
Meyer played them when they were down

True. But then it is a much different SEC now than in the 90s.

[GatorSean]

That is because spurrier played them at their peak. They won two nc during that time.
Meyer played them when they were down

True, but I'd say Meyer was one of the primary reason's they were down. Both Pouncey's and Percy were huge f$u fans and considered locks to the noles their junior years in HS. Meyer convinced them to come to UF and the rest is history. Add those 3 players to f$u and they have a totally different team from 06-09.

There is no doubt in my mind Spurrier is a better coach than Bowden, but f$u out-recruited us during the 90s and that's why Spurrier had a losing record to them. That started to change with Zook, and the Meyer just demolished them on the recruiting trail and the field. Muschamp is 1-1 against them on the field but 2-0 against them in recruiting, so I have very little doubt he's going to have a Meyer-like record against the noles as well.

[Swampmaster]

The reporter asked if this shows how hard it is to keep up. SOS answered that watching the TV that day made him glad to be in the SEC East.

SEC east coaches give thanks nightly to a higher power that they don't have to play alabama, lsu & texas A&M every year.

[JerseyGator01]

I think Spurrier would have had a much better record against Bowden if we played them earlier in the year when healthier. Those FSU teams were rarely beat up when they played us given their easy ACC schedule. The one time I think they were under the weather (after playing us once), led to 52-20. Plus Mickey Andrews made Bowden IMO.

[phatGator]

SEC east coaches give thanks nightly to a higher power that they don't have to play alabama, lsu & texas A&M every year.

That brings up an interesting dilemma. Do we want our division to be tougher so we have bragging rights and better strength of schedule, or do we want it weaker so we have an easier pathway to Atlanta?

[tilly]

Urban did not "break the program".
I for one think he fixed it.

Do I hate the way he left? Yes. Do I question the family side of that period? Yes. Do I really know everything that led to his leaving..and subsequently returning? No.

I root against tOSU every week...so by proxy, I root against Urban, but If he never shows up in Gainesville, it is very possible we are still a 1 Title program.

[gator85jd]

"fabricate a big story"? What was fabricated? You tell us the context.

And please come up with something more original than calling people Shelly and asking how are thing in Columbus. That's so trite.

By the way, you still haven't produced one lie UM told. You are so consumed with hate that you cannot see your own irrationality.

Show me where any of the following is factual:

The context was an emotional decision to quit, being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence, and an emotional return, all within a couple days. The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors". He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part." It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

If that's factual, then you're right it isn't fabricated. Can you provide a link to your source or is that just opinion? Stick to the facts.

I see the situation for what it was. Meyer is an opportunist. When the going got rocky at UF, he bailed. I'm not consumed with hate, but thanks for trying to smear me with that.

Back to the original point of this thread, Meyer was a good salesman and recruited well. He lacked the skill (or desire) needed to develop players. Rather than work to mend the team after the '09 SECCG beatdown, he chose to stand idly and watch the Dazzler fumble around with our team.

No hate, just observations.

[gator85jd]

Urban did not "break the program".
I for one think he fixed it.

Do I hate the way he left? Yes. Do I question the family side of that period? Yes. Do I really know everything that led to his leaving..and subsequently returning? No.

I root against tOSU every week...so by proxy, I root against Urban, but If he never shows up in Gainesville, it is very possible we are still a 1 Title program.

According to players, there was a "me first" and "every man for himself" attitude that became prevalent in the locker room. Muschamp had to deal with that when he arrived. Wonder how that attitude got a foothold?

[red4512]

The program was starting to rise up in Zooks last year. THE LIAR got lucky with Tebow and Harvin later on to win his 2 NC. THE LIAR then slacked off on recruiting,couldnt handle Satan's rise, and gave a questionable health excuse to bail out for his #2 dream job. THE LIAR admitted to Muschamp on the way in THE PROGRAM WAS BROKEN and later said the same thing to a pOSUrecruit a few months later as the head coach from THAT OTHER SCHOOL. Then there is that article that has facts, statements and testamonials to support the claim

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc

So if THE LIAR didnt do it, who did? George Bush

[tilly]

According to players, there was a "me first" and "every man for himself" attitude that became prevalent in the locker room. Muschamp had to deal with that when he arrived. Wonder how that attitude got a foothold?

Yet Tim and Percy and Brandon and company never spoke of such things.

Weird.

[GATORAZ]

The program was starting to rise up in Zooks last year. THE LIAR got lucky with Tebow and Harvin later on to win his 2 NC. THE LIAR then slacked off on recruiting,couldnt handle Satan's rise, and gave a questionable health excuse to bail out for his #2 dream job. THE LIAR admitted to Muschamp on the way in THE PROGRAM WAS BROKEN and later said the same thing to a pOSUrecruit a few months later as the head coach from THAT OTHER SCHOOL. Then there is that article that has facts, statements and testamonials to support the claim


So if THE LIAR didnt do it, who did? George Bush

How did he get Urban get Lucky with people HE recruited?
While Urban did make some bad evaluation where did he slack off in recruiting? That Elam class was known as one of the best classes "on paper" ever? Those kids just went 11-2.

Still nobody has pointed out a lie by Meyer

[tilly]

Still nobody has pointed out a lie by Meyer

You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.

Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.

[Tebowism0823]

I guess I kind of get this, you essentially felt for Meyer what I feel about our current coach-- that he wasn't a good fit, if he can prove me as wrong as Meyer proved you I'll be a happy man.

Now I can agree with you in this. I've met Meyer a few times at the practices and games. His personality just isn't one that I liked. He has a smug way about him. Comes off as being better then you. Definitely like those two trophies he helped being us but you'd be correct in your statement that I didn't care for him.

I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.

[Tebowism0823]

You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.

Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.

I agree with everything you have said in this thread but Tim would've been a Gator with or without Meyer

[Spurffelbow833]

I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.

He has to beat Georgia for this to happen, starting with ditching the "it's just another game" stuff. We hate their sorry asses, and he's getting well paid to join the party. That's the price of coaching. Your highest loyalty has to be to who's paying you. If he goes 13-1 and wins a national championship, losing to Georgia will still irk the masses.

[tilly]

I agree with everything you have said in this thread but Tim would've been a Gator with or without Meyer

I think your right...but many feel Bama was close behind.

[gator85jd]

Yet Tim and Percy and Brandon and company never spoke of such things.

Weird.

How many of them were there for the 2010 season?

Tebow was a team leader who unified the locker room. When did he leave?

Weird, huh?

[Spleezy]

I took it as a jab on that class, not UM. He was explaining the uncertainty of recruiting and he wants to celebrate on the field in the fall not in the office in February. He acknowledge that currently at Bama it does usually pan out. Maybe a compliment on Saban, maybe hinting at something not quite kosher, or maybe just acknowledging the data.

I took it as Bama's staff takes their talent and coaches them up to and beyond their potential, but you can view it either way neither is wrong. I just see Spurrier taking a jab at other coaches like he usually does and not college kids.

[Jaggator]

Now I can agree with you in this. I've met Meyer a few times at the practices and games. His personality just isn't one that I liked. He has a smug way about him. Comes off as being better then you. Definitely like those two trophies he helped being us but you'd be correct in your statement that I didn't care for him.

I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.

Meyer had to back up and later apologize for acting like an a$$.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqQshESm8s

[Spleezy]

You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.

Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.

The problem arises when people blinded by his success refuse to have Meyer 'take credit' for 2005,2007,2010, and 2011. Look, people who say Meyer sucked are delusional but fans who assume no one else could have won at UF with that talent is just as delusional. Meyer was a good coach until his 'attack' not a God. It's not discounting Meyer to say Stong's defenses are as big a reason for our success as his offenses. Some need to dial back the hate but others need to dial back the worship....both are annoying.

[tilly]

How many of them were there for the 2010 season?

Tebow was a team leader who unified the locker room. When did he leave?

Weird, huh?
My point is... .he wasn't thought of that way by most of his players apparently... many here are basing everything on 2010...yet even then he had a historically ranked recruiting class. The claims that he quit...or broke the program fall silent when illuminated by the facts of the matter.
Look, read my post history on Urban. I hate the way he left...but..a lot of revisionists here.

[tilly]

The problem arises when people blinded by his success refuse to have Meyer 'take credit' for 2005,2007,2010, and 2011. Look, people who say Meyer sucked are delusional but fans who assume no one else could have won at UF with that talent is just as delusional. Meyer was a good coach until his 'attack' not a God. It's not discounting Meyer to say Stong's defenses are as big a reason for our success as his offenses. Some need to dial back the hate but others need to dial back the worship....both are annoying.

But this makes it sound like perfection is the expectation...And no ones worshipping anyone.

Don't you find it funny how many people give credit to Strong, Tebow, Harvin etc...while ignoring who assembled them all together?

Urban does get full credit for who his coaches and players are....good and bad. Many seem to only want that one way. He assembled two Title teams and a 3rd 13-1 team that was crazy good. He gets total credit for that. Some down seasons will always fall into the picture.

[demosthenes]

Right, the coach that turned three programs around and appears well on his way to a fourth was "lucky". Only a disingenuous person or an idiot would believe that.

[tilly]

Right, the coach that turned three programs around and appears well on his say to a fourth was "lucky". Only a disingenuous person or an idiot would believe that.

This.

[Tebowism0823]

He has to beat Georgia for this to happen, starting with ditching the "it's just another game" stuff. We hate their sorry asses, and he's getting well paid to join the party. That's the price of coaching. Your highest loyalty has to be to who's paying you. If he goes 13-1 and wins a national championship, losing to Georgia will still irk the masses.

13-1 with a NC will please the masses. The fact that he states its just another game is because the media, and a select few here, like to bring up that he played there when its game week. Makes no sense whatsoever. You and the others are fooling yourselves if you think he doesn't want to beat them.

Any so called fan or alum who'd be upset with the scenario above would be crazy IMO.

[tilly]

My guess is when we beat the mutts he will be so fired up. He is just laying low to keep the story from being about him. He wants to beat them.

[Tebowism0823]

My guess is when we beat the mutts he will be so fired up. He is just laying low to keep the story from being about him. He wants to beat them.

Exactly. He was a Gator at heart and I believe he still is; especially now.

[bionicgator]

And look at how much SOS wants to kick our asses every single year and many consider him the greatest gator of them all.

[regator]

And look at how much SOS wants to kick our asses every single year and many consider him the greatest gator of them all.

That's his job. Big deal.
It is muschamps job not to let him.

[jewood592]

I doubt it, he won 1 in 12 years, he wouldn't have matched or exceeded Meyer's 2.

Spurrier managed to win "1" in a time where FSU finished #4 or better 14 years in a row, Nebraska rolled out some of the most dominant teams in the history of college football; and Miami was spitting out more NFL players than entire conferences.

[gator85jd]

My point is... .he wasn't thought of that way by most of his players apparently... many here are basing everything on 2010...yet even then he had a historically ranked recruiting class. The claims that he quit...or broke the program fall silent when illuminated by the facts of the matter.
Look, read my post history on Urban. I hate the way he left...but..a lot of revisionists here.

If you think I'm going back to read your post history on anything, you apparently think I care about your opinion way, way more than I do. I'm basing it on what some of the players on the 2010 team said about him. But I forgot that you have a better perspective on what went on ini the locker room than the players do.

Do I think he was a good coach when he wanted to be? Sure. Do I think he ultimately quit trying? Yes. I swear, it's difficult to reason with some of the posters here.

[Swampmaster]

You and the others are fooling yourselves if you think he doesn't want to be them.

He better start soon- the winner of that game wins the sec east

[Jaggator]

He better start soon- the winner of that game wins the sec east

I think Spurrier & company would have something to say about that. S Carolina has beaten Georgia 3 years in a row. Also, we have to play at South Carolina this year so the SEC east may be decided in Columbia.

[Lawdog88]

I think that's fine.

But some here extrapolate that personal emotion into pretending Meyer isn't among the very best in the business. Which is insane.


I used to think that. I don't anymore. He may be able to construct something at OSU because of the gravitas of the institution, but I think he plateaued out at UF. And, I do think the prospect of having "down, rebuilding years" - without a Tim or Percy - was the real inner man issue. And of course, Nick is formidable and was in his head.

Call me crazy. No prob.

[GATORAZ]

I used to think that. I don't anymore. He may be able to construct something at OSU because of the gravitas of the institution, but I think he plateaued out at UF. And, I do think the prospect of having "down, rebuilding years" - without a Tim or Percy - was the real inner man issue. And of course, Nick is formidable and was in his head.

Call me crazy. No prob.

Meyer is one of the best in the country coaches need good institution as well. Saban wasnt going to win any titles at Michigan State.

[Lawdog88]

Meyer is one of the best in the country coaches need good institution as well. Saban wasnt going to win any titles at Michigan State.


Your post doesn't make enough sense to be understood. Sorry.

[GATORAZ]

Your post doesn't make enough sense to be understood. Sorry.
Sorry about that.
Meyer is one of the best coaches in the country. Coaches need good institutions to win football games. I think Meyer is a better coach now then he left Florida. To have years where we only recruited one DT is unacceptable and I think he realizes this now.

[grizgator]

At some point why Spurrier abandoning us for money is better than Meyer leaving due to health concerns is going to have to be fully laid out.

And you base this BS on what? In have never seen any evidence that suggests that SOS is in it for the money alone and left UF only for money. That's crap. Let's remember, when SOS return to college football at USC, he intentionally took a lower salary than he could have gotten in order to have more money available to pay for his assistants. If he had wanted money, he could have held out for the LSU job.

Spurrier likes a challenge. Duke, UF (which was definitely a challenge when he took our program over), and then USC. He doesn't take the easy road.

[demosthenes]

I'm curious how you know he took the Duke job for a challenge instead of it being the best job he could get? Or the Florida job for a challenge instead of wanting to coach his alma mater? Or that he could of had the LSU job?

[Tebowism0823]

He better start soon- the winner of that game wins the sec east

Agreed. If you build it, they will come. My friend, Muschamp is building it and the titles will come.

[Tebowism0823]

And you base this BS on what? In have never seen any evidence that suggests that SOS is in it for the money alone and left UF only for money. That's crap. Let's remember, when SOS return to college football at USC, he intentionally took a lower salary than he could have gotten in order to have more money available to pay for his assistants. If he had wanted money, he could have held out for the LSU job.

Spurrier likes a challenge. Duke, UF (which was definitely a challenge when he took our program over), and then USC. He doesn't take the easy road.

I agree that Spurrier didn't leave over money. He left mainly because his ego told him he could conquer the NFL. He's a college coach and that's what he's the best at.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I used to think that. I don't anymore. He may be able to construct something at OSU because of the gravitas of the institution, but I think he plateaued out at UF. And, I do think the prospect of having "down, rebuilding years" - without a Tim or Percy - was the real inner man issue. And of course, Nick is formidable and was in his head.

Call me crazy. No prob.

That would have been a fair guess post-2010. But then he walked into a wretched situation at OSU and went undefeated. There are only a few coaches in America that can do that.

I expected Meyer to be a broken coach after he left here, but he's the same guy. He just didn't want to coach here anymore.

[gator85jd]

He just didn't want to coach here anymore.

And he just didn't have the spine to leave like a man.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

And he just didn't have the spine to leave like a man.

Okay? I think that's tertiary to the discussion.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

The reality is he did what every coach does when they leave. His mistake was coming back.

[KronoGator]

No he said 12 years in one place.
Besides time changes things.
He also didn't think he would be coaching this long

This is the quote
"I simply believe 12 years as head coach at a major university in the SEC is long enough."
He also said
"I just feel my career as a college head coach, after 15 years, is complete"

Lie? or just changed his mind like Meyer.

[KronoGator]

Spurrier managed to win "1" in a time where FSU finished #4 or better 14 years in a row, Nebraska rolled out some of the most dominant teams in the history of college football; and Miami was spitting out more NFL players than entire conferences.

Spurrier also got to roll over historically bad LSU and Georgia squads in the 90's.

Trying to say winning a NC was 'easier' for Meyer then Spurrier just doesn't hold up.

[tilly]

If you think I'm going back to read your post history on anything, you apparently think I care about your opinion way, way more than I do. I'm basing it on what some of the players on the 2010 team said about him. But I forgot that you have a better perspective on what went on ini the locker room than the players do.

Do I think he was a good coach when he wanted to be? Sure. Do I think he ultimately quit trying? Yes. I swear, it's difficult to reason with some of the posters here.
Dude...get a grip. All I know about the players is that 99% of them have never publicly said a bad thing about him....at any school he coached at.

My point about my post history was based on THIS thread...where I mentioned my issues with Urban.

[WESGATORS]

Coach Meyer's got a free ride to the championship game. I just hope we're there to meet them. Their schedule is ridiculous:

Road games:
--------------
@ California (3-9, #78 in Sagarin 2012)
@ Northwestern (10-3, #21 in Sagarin 2012)
@ Purdue (6-7, #71 in Sagarin 2012)
@ Illinois (2-10, #126 in Sagarin 2012)
@ Michigan (8-5, #20 in Sagarin 2012)

Home games:
--------------
Buffalo (4-8, #131 in Sagarin 2012)
San Diego State (9-4, #66 in Sagarin 2012)
FAMU (4-7, #210 in Sagarin 2012)
Wisconsin (8-6, #23 in Sagarin 2012)
Iowa (4-8, #70 in Sagarin 2012)
Penn State (8-4, #30 in Sagarin 2012)
Indiana (4-8, #76 in Sagarin 2012)

It will be a shame if two untested undefeateds battle each other for the championship while the SEC gets left out with a bunch of 1-loss teams. Ohio State's schedule is not quite as bad as Utah's was in 2004, but it's in the same ball park. On the flip side, one loss, and they're toast unless it's a season like 2007.

Their team tix (reservations for BCS Championship Game are currently going for $135 a piece, 2nd only to Alabama and well ahead of the next closest (Oregon ~$85).

Don't read too much into Meyer's success if they have a good year this year. A one-loss season would (should) be a disappointment for them.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[JohnC1908]

The reality is he did what every coach does when they leave. His mistake was coming back.

He really didn't though. It's why his departing is viewed different than SOS. You justify and reason with his deceit , most others (even non gators) think he's a coward and full of it.
I'll admit I flat out don't care for the guy. That said he's a grade A football coach. There can't be more than 5 in the country you would rather have. At the sametime I can recognize am insult or a backhanded compliment. To anyone who viewed that comment as praise step back a bit. It appears the only ones who think SOS is praising him are those who admire Urban. He should be respected as a coach but anyone with a clue knows that guy is just a bad human.

[tilly]

He really didn't though. It's why his departing is viewed different than SOS. You justify and reason with his deceit , most others (even non gators) think he's a coward and full of it.

Most others think he's a coward? I dont know about that. My guess is Gators are ghe only ones who even care enough to have an opinion.

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[JohnC1908]

Most others think he's a coward? I dont know about that. My guess is Gators are ghe only ones who even care enough to have an opinion.

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Disagree man. I think most SEC fans have an opinion about the guy. He accomplished too much to ignore. Check out tigerdroppings.

[RepubliGator84]

Best of all time

[tilly]

Disagree man. I think most SEC fans have an opinion about the guy. He accomplished too much to ignore. Check out tigerdroppings.

Fair point. But I think coward seems pretty strong. I have repeatedly said I hate the way he left. My guess in a truthful moment, he does too. I just dont think he left out of fear. If he was scared, he wouldnt have come to Florida and the SEC in the firat place. He was set in Utah for a lifetime.

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[gator85jd]

Dude...get a grip. All I know about the players is that 99% of them have never publicly said a bad thing about him....at any school he coached at.

My point about my post history was based on THIS thread...where I mentioned my issues with Urban.

Do you have a link to the poll of the players? That seems awfully high, but if you've got actual numbers and statistics to back it up, that's irrefutable.

[phatGator]

Show me where any of the following is factual:

The context was an emotional decision to quit, being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence, and an emotional return, all within a couple days. The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors". He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part." It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

If that's factual, then you're right it isn't fabricated. Can you provide a link to your source or is that just opinion? Stick to the facts.

I see the situation for what it was. Meyer is an opportunist. When the going got rocky at UF, he bailed. I'm not consumed with hate, but thanks for trying to smear me with that.

Back to the original point of this thread, Meyer was a good salesman and recruited well. He lacked the skill (or desire) needed to develop players. Rather than work to mend the team after the '09 SECCG beatdown, he chose to stand idly and watch the Dazzler fumble around with our team.

No hate, just observations.


Since you accused me of fabricating the story, the onus is on you to show how it was a fabrication. However, I'll go ahead and answer anyway. You asked me to show where any of my statement was factual. I'll show more than that -- it's all factual. You should check out the following:

http://allstatesugarbowl.org/site226.php

The context was an emotional decision to quit

COACH URBAN MEYER: The low point was when on Christmas night with my family there was so much concern and love in that family on obviously a very special holiday, and I could see the concern in my family. And then the low point was meeting with the team last night.

Q. You obviously were pretty emotional last night when you talked about your daughter's reaction, saying she had her daddy back. How did they react to this in the last 24 hours?


being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence

"During this past week, as we discussed, a decision came to I was offered and encouraged to consider taking a leave of absence.

"it was an offer that I was encouraged by the people that I'm closest with, my family members, my close friend Jeremy Foley and others, to just step back for a minute."


and an emotional return, all within a couple days.

Q. Would you talk about the last 24 hours, what went into the process and how you finally came to the conclusion to take the leave of absence?


"The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors"." He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

He resigned on December 26, 2009. On December 27, 2009 he put back on the orange and blue. The all of a sudden resulted in Gator colors, no one else's.


It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part."

Q. Coach...In your gut do you think you're going to be the coach of this football team come fall?

COACH URBAN MEYER: I probably knew that question was coming. I do in my gut believe that will happen.

Q. But no timetable in your head?

COACH URBAN MEYER: We're going to discuss all that after. I think the important thing was to get this thing going, and let's go have a great Bowl game. ....Let's enjoy our time here in a great city and go play. Then after that we'll have discussions about that because I don't know, and I'm not going to give it any thought because we've got a game to go.

Pause on that quote for a little: "...after that we'll have discussions about that because I don't know..."


It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

Q. Can you just talk about the sheer emotion of walking away from a school that's driven you, and then the emotion when you decided to let the door be cracked for a return?

COACH URBAN MEYER: A very emotional day, not knowing that crack is still there. I don't know that door is still there. But what I didn't want to have happen, and I made this clear to Jeremy, if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach. I don't want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we've built.

So this quote you and TM love to trot out was made immediately after declaring it was a very emotional day. That was the context.


By the way, Foley and Tim Tebow believed UM had health problems. So if you think Meyer lied about those then you have to also call Foley and Tim liars:

JEREMY FOLEY: ...Obviously our primary concern here is Coach Meyer and his health and getting himself fixed....

TIM TEBOW: ...I was aware that he had some issues.


COACH URBAN MEYER: It's something that started about four years ago. It was chest pains that became rather significant two years ago. Whether it's stress related, I was very concerned. I know there's a great basketball coach that lost his life at Wake Forest. I started to become very alarmed with that.

So when we had the issue when I had to go to the hospital and a couple issues after that was when I came to the conclusion that I had to reprioritize everything. So that's exactly what it is. I was advised that I have to get this right or it could lead to damage. That's what made that decision.


There was something in the press conference I hadn't noticed before:

Q. You had several additional episodes of chest pain after the SEC title game?

COACH URBAN MEYER: It's been all year, yeah. All year.

Q. Did you have to go to the hospital for any of those other ones?

COACH URBAN MEYER: No. Got it checked out, though.

So these episodes occurred before facing Lord Saban. Perhaps the SECCG loss made it worse, but the condition didn't appear as a result of Saban "figuring him out." The condition occurred during an undefeated regular season.


You admonished me to "stick to the facts" and then posted "He lacked the skill (or desire) needed to develop players." Can you provide factual evidence for that, not just your opinion?

By the way, you still haven't produced evidence of one, just one, bone fide lie.


Lastly, since this is a Spurrier thread:

COACH URBAN MEYER: I might call Coach Spurrier because we have a very good relationship. As a matter of fact, I'm going to call him because I admire the way he's done things, and he's done it for a long time.

[gator85jd]

Since you accused me of fabricating the story, the onus is on you to show how it was a fabrication. However, I doubt you would do that, so I'll go ahead and answer anyway. You asked me to show where any of my statement was factual. I'll show more than that -- it's all factual. You should check out the following:

http://allstatesugarbowl.org/site226.php

The context was an emotional decision to quit

being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence

"During this past week, as we discussed, a decision came to I was offered and encouraged to consider taking a leave of absence.

"it was an offer that I was encouraged by the people that I'm closest with, my family members, my close friend Jeremy Foley and others, to just step back for a minute."

and an emotional return, all within a couple days.

"The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors"." He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.

He resigned on December 26, 2009. On December 27, 2009 he put back on the orange and blue. The all of a sudden resulted in Gator colors, no one else's.

It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part."

Pause on that quote for a little: "...after that we'll have discussions about that because I don't know..."

It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.

So this quote you and TM love to trot out was made immediately after declaring it was a very emotional day. That was the context.

By the way, Foley and Tim Tebow believed UM had health problems. So if you think Meyer lied about those then you have to also call Foley and Tim liars:

There was something in the press conference I hadn't noticed before:

So these episodes occurred before facing Lord Saban. Perhaps the SECCG loss made it worse, but the condition didn't appear as a result of Saban "figuring him out." The condition occurred during an undefeated regular season.

You admonished me to "stick to the facts" and then posted "He lacked the skill (or desire) needed to develop players." Can you provide factual evidence for that, not just your opinion?

By the way, you still haven't produced evidence of one, just one, bone fide lie.

Lastly, since this is a Spurrier thread:



Way to sidestep the issue! You're talking apples and oranges. That doesn't support any of your narrative.

[demosthenes]

Do you have a link to the poll of the players? That seems awfully high, but if you've got actual numbers and statistics to back it up, that's irrefutable.

You should be able to find evidence yourself outside of the one article you constantly refer if there are more instances. If they were out there I have no doubt you'd already have scoured the internet and displayed them for all to see.

Instead you take a juvenile approach by asking someone to prove a point through use of a nonexistent poll or statistical exercise. Good job. What is the poll supposed to ask anyway? "Have you ever publicly stated anything negative about Urban Meyer?" Does anyone care other than the jilted subset of Gator fans? I can help answer that for you if you need help.

[Gatorrick22]

He's a coach that I once respected, until he turned into a two-time quitter.

He'll always be the coach that quit on the Gators! Nothing wrong with the way he coached and his teams' accomplishments, but the way he left us trumps all of that............ For me it does.

Now....... I have no respect for him.

[phatGator]

Way to sidestep the issue! You're talking apples and oranges. That doesn't support any of your narrative.

Your kidding, right? What issue did I sidestep? You asked if any of my post was factual and I showed how all of it was factual. If you do not have the integrity to admit that I answered your concern, then stop slamming UM or anyone else.

Speaking of sidestepping, you still haven't provided evidence of one, just one, real live lie.

[gator85jd]

You should be able to find evidence yourself outside of the one article you constantly refer if there are more instances. If they were out there I have no doubt you'd already have scoured the internet and displayed them for all to see.

Instead you take a juvenile approach by asking someone to prove a point through use of a nonexistent poll or statistical exercise. Good job. What is the poll supposed to ask anyway? "Have you ever publicly stated anything negative about Urban Meyer?" Does anyone care other than the jilted subset of Gator fans? I can help answer that for you if you need help.

Struck a nerve, huh? If someone is going to throw numbers out, what's wrong with asking for the source. You are right . . . . I would like to see how the statistics quoted were gathered.

Out of curiosity, why do you get your pants in such a wad over this?

[gator85jd]

He's a coach that I once respected, until he turned into a two-time quitter.

He'll always be the coach that quit on the Gators! Nothing wrong with the way he coached and his teams' accomplishments, but the way he left us trumps all of that............ For me it does.

Now....... I have no respect for him.

^^^ This! I don't know why this is so difficult for some people to accept.

[tilly]

^^^ This! I don't know why this is so difficult for some people to accept.

Well for starters...We don't all feel this way.

[gatorr4life]

The pressure was so bad here, he had to quit. I completely understand that. His family needed him and he needed them. I completely understand that too.... What frustrates me, is if it was so bad, WHY GO TO A PLACE WHERE THE PRESSURE IS THE SAME- IF NOT WORSE?! And what about his family? Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, I looked at him (at one point) as my favorite gator coach of all time. Mainly because Spurrier chose to come back to the SEC East, out of all places. Shame on me.

That being said, I still will always hold a special place for Meyer and Shelly. They're good people. They gave us everything they had. Which, as we know, was a lot. Tough situation but in the end, both the gator nation AND the Meyer family benefited.

[tilly]

The pressure was so bad here, he had to quit. I completely understand that. His family needed him and he needed them. I completely understand that too.... What frustrates me, is if it was so bad, WHY GO TO A PLACE WHERE THE PRESSURE IS THE SAME- IF NOT WORSE?! And what about his family? Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, I looked at him (at one point) as my favorite gator coach of all time. Mainly because Spurrier chose to come back to the SEC East, out of all places. Shame on me.

That being said, I still will always hold a special place for Meyer and Shelly. They're good people. They gave us everything they had. Which, as we know, was a lot. Tough situation but in the end, both the gator nation AND the Meyer family benefited.

Sums it up very well.

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[GATORAZ]

The pressure was so bad here, he had to quit. I completely understand that. His family needed him and he needed them. I completely understand that too.... What frustrates me, is if it was so bad, WHY GO TO A PLACE WHERE THE PRESSURE IS THE SAME- IF NOT WORSE?! And what about his family? Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, I looked at him (at one point) as my favorite gator coach of all time. Mainly because Spurrier chose to come back to the SEC East, out of all places. Shame on me.

That being said, I still will always hold a special place for Meyer and Shelly. They're good people. They gave us everything they had. Which, as we know, was a lot. Tough situation but in the end, both the gator nation AND the Meyer family benefited.

Because it is a great job and he is a competitive person.

[gator85jd]

Well for starters...We don't all feel this way.

Dude...just stop. What's your freaking deal? Following me from thread to thread ...just to rip even the simplest of statements....makes you seem silly. Or like some weird stalker -- please get some help.

[GatorAvatar]

Well for starters...We don't all feel this way.

But but but but he is RIGHT, so we should.all accept his point of view.

[Spleezy]

But this makes it sound like perfection is the expectation...And no ones worshipping anyone.

Don't you find it funny how many people give credit to Strong, Tebow, Harvin etc...while ignoring who assembled them all together?

Urban does get full credit for who his coaches and players are....good and bad. Many seem to only want that one way. He assembled two Title teams and a 3rd 13-1 team that was crazy good. He gets total credit for that. Some down seasons will always fall into the picture.

Meyer raised UF's stock he then burned out and left us playing MIAC level football offensively. His #1 recruiting class was defense heavy and that showed the last couple years but his offensive recruiting was God awful...that has also shown.

No one is ignoring what Meyer did the two titles in 3 years was beyond impressive, 13-1 was a nice swan song for an awesome senior class but what proceeded was embarrassing and angering....You mean to tell me Les Miles can maintain a program better than Meyer in the SEC?? He won 2 MNC in 4 years yet never had years as putrid as UF did in 2010 and 2011.

The anger is all about how the program faltered after he left (both times) and the adoration for the 2 titles and amazing recruits he brought in. This thread is littered with posters who take both to extremes. People give Meyer credit just not the amount some of the fan boys would like everyone to shower upon him and some haters try to discount his entire 6 years because 'he lied' both stances are silly imho. Like it or not the good and the bad are a part of our history, people may pick and choose what they want to remember but Urban Meyer was a great coach who flamed out and left UF. Both seemed to have found themselves and are better for having shared 6 years.

UF can now recruit nationally on a larger scale, today's NFL is littered with endorsements of the programs success, and the financial benefits have afforded UF to expand it's athletic programs. Meyer was able to prove his system can work against the big boys and is now one of the biggest names in college football. My belief is both were better served going different directions but I like some other posters wish the road there didn't included 2010 and 2011 and the whole retirement/ESPN soap opera.

[GatorAvatar]

Unsubscribing from this nonsense Meyer Bashing thread.

[Swampmaster]

if spurrier had stayed at uf, he would have 2-3 more national titles by now, easy.

[GatorSean]

^^^ This! I don't know why this is so difficult for some people to accept.


Because pretty much every coach we've had in the modern era has either quit on us (and 'lied' in the process) or was fired. I'm not sure why that is so difficult to understand. The difference is Meyer was far more successful than almost every other coach we've ever had.

[GatorSean]

No one is ignoring what Meyer did the two titles in 3 years was beyond impressive, 13-1 was a nice swan song for an awesome senior class but what proceeded was embarrassing and angering....You mean to tell me Les Miles can maintain a program better than Meyer in the SEC?? He won 2 MNC in 4 years yet never had years as putrid as UF did in 2010 and 2011.



After winning the NC in 2007, Miles went 8-5 in 2008 and 9-4 in 2009.

After winning the NC in 2008, Meyer went 13-1 in 2009 and 8-5 in 2010.

The fact of the matter is Meyer had ONE 'bad' year, in which he equaled the same record as Zook's best year. Stoops, Miles, Brown, Spurrier, and pretty much every other big time coach have had seasons where they 'only' won 8 games. So I think your embarrassment and anger is way out of whack with reality.

[Spurffelbow833]

Unsubscribing from this nonsense Meyer Bashing thread.

We'll catch up with you at the next one.

[Tebowism0823]

if spurrier had stayed at uf, he would have 2-3 more national titles by now, easy.

So first twelve years he wins 1. The next 12 he wins 2-3 more? Ummm......not following your logic or reasoning on this one.

[demosthenes]

So first twelve years he wins 1. The next 12 he wins 2-3 more? Ummm......not following your logic or reasoning on this one.

We have the best athletic director in the business. If he thought Spurrier would have performed at Meyer's level he would have hired him instead. While I loved Spurrier's time here I think Foley made the right choices in Meyer and Muschamp. Lord only knows how much pressure he was getting from Bull Gators back then to rehire Spurrier. I remember hearing from some an unheard of 5 million dollar salary to lure Spurrier back.

[Lawdog88]

After winning the NC in 2007, Miles went 8-5 in 2008 and 9-4 in 2009.

After winning the NC in 2008, Meyer went 13-1 in 2009 and 8-5 in 2010.

The fact of the matter is Meyer had ONE 'bad' year, in which he equaled the same record as Zook's best year. Stoops, Miles, Brown, Spurrier, and pretty much every other big time coach have had seasons where they 'only' won 8 games. So I think your embarrassment and anger is way out of whack with reality.


Of course, seeing the writing on the wall and the results of failed recruiting / coaching / team attitude dysfunction and demoralization, debacle in leaving / staying / cherry picking successor coming to fruition, Urbs bailed on UF for the 2011 season, thus avoiding another mediocre and / or losing season, which was salvaged to some degree by Coach Champ.

Whatever he "built" earlier, was left "broken" by his own admission. Kind of a meh trade-off, to me.

[GATORAZ]

Of course, seeing the writing on the wall and the results of failed recruiting / coaching / team attitude dysfunction and demoralization, debacle in leaving / staying / cherry picking successor coming to fruition, Urbs bailed on UF for the 2011 season, thus avoiding another mediocre and / or losing season, which was salvaged to some degree by Coach Champ.

Whatever he "built" earlier, was left "broken" by his own admission. Kind of a meh trade-off, to me.

Florida won 2 NC under Urban and is now back in the picture for more NC's clearly the program wasn't that broken when he left.

[tilly]

Dude...just stop. What's your freaking deal? Following me from thread to thread ...just to rip even the simplest of statements....makes you seem silly. Or like some weird stalker -- please get some help.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Go Gators! :yes:

[Lawdog88]

Florida won 2 NC under Urban and is now back in the picture for more NC's clearly the program wasn't that broken when he left.


So the moral of the story is . . . Urban can't be believed when his lips are moving ?

:laugh:

[raquetclub]

As much as Spurrier talks about Saban, I wonder if some part of him doesn't wish he was back at Florida where he could more consistently get players to match Saban, and take back the title of King of the SEC.

[gator85jd]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Go Gators! :yes:

Actually, I was mocking you. But, as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy! :laugh:

[gator85jd]

So the moral of the story is . . . Urban can't be believed when his lips are moving ?

:laugh:

:yes::laugh::yes:

[gator85jd]

As much as Spurrier talks about Saban, I wonder if some part of him doesn't wish he was back at Florida where he could more consistently get players to match Saban, and take back the title of King of the SEC.

Spurrier certainly doesn't get intimidated by anyone, particularly Saban. Anybody know when the Cocks play Bama in the regular season next?

[DuPontGator]

So the moral of the story is . . . Urban can't be believed when his lips are moving ?

:laugh:

So true.

[phatGator]

Florida won 2 NC under Urban and is now back in the picture for more NC's clearly the program wasn't that broken when he left.

Exactly. It's funny how the people who think UM is an abject liar take the "broken" statement as gospel truth.

[Tebowism0823]

We have the best athletic director in the business. If he thought Spurrier would have performed at Meyer's level he would have hired him instead. While I loved Spurrier's time here I think Foley made the right choices in Meyer and Muschamp. Lord only knows how much pressure he was getting from Bull Gators back then to rehire Spurrier. I remember hearing from some an unheard of 5 million dollar salary to lure Spurrier back.

I remember Spurriers speech to us in the locker room when he told us he was leaving. It was clear he was exhausted with college football. I also know recruiting was taking a toll on him as well. Jeremy knew this as well which is why he told Steve he'd have to interview for the position. I get the betrayal feeling from some here but Urban did a great job and won 2 titles for us. That being said, the biggest mess he left was in the locker room. Muschamp has clearly cleared that up.

[Tebowism0823]

Exactly. It's funny how the people who think UM is an abject liar take the "broken" statement as gospel truth.

Broken can be made for many reasons. The fact that the players were running the locker room for one would be a prime example. That cannot be denied. Muschamp in a short time has fixed that issue.

[gator85jd]

Exactly. It's funny how the people who think UM is an abject liar take the "broken" statement as gospel truth.

Many of them also believe Muschamp is doing an outstanding job repairing the program he was handed.

[GatorSean]

Of course, seeing the writing on the wall and the results of failed recruiting / coaching / team attitude dysfunction and demoralization, debacle in leaving / staying / cherry picking successor coming to fruition, Urbs bailed on UF for the 2011 season, thus avoiding another mediocre and / or losing season, which was salvaged to some degree by Coach Champ.

Whatever he "built" earlier, was left "broken" by his own admission. Kind of a meh trade-off, to me.

So then by you're own admission we are no worse for wear, so then what's the problem?

If we have a coach that comes in, wins some championships, spearheads new facilities and traditions, and then leaves after a 'bad' season, how are things so terrible that that this ongoing animosity still exists?

I mean, one year after he left we are back in the top 10. We still have the crystals for 06 and 08. We still have the $28 million dollar Heavener Football Complex. We still have the Ring of Honor and the Gator Walk. We didn't have any of that prior to Meyer.

We were arguably the team of the decade, and that was with 3 years of the Zooker. So if you guys can be just a little bit honest about it, I think you would have to admit we have A LOT more good memories from 05-10 than bad ones. But it seems like every good thing has been completely erased from your memories and all that exists 2010. It's actually sort of sad.

[GATORAZ]

Exactly. It's funny how the people who think UM is an abject liar take the "broken" statement as gospel truth.

they don't actually believe this stuff they are just still heart broken

[JohnC1908]

Why did he say the program was broken then?

[GATORAZ]

Why did he say the program was broken then?

Does it matter why he said it? Clearly the program was not broken. The program needed a new voice and I assume that's why Foley didnt go hard after guy's like Strong or Mullen. It is probably also why CWM only held on to the two assistance that had just got to Florida. This happens to major companies all the time and make no mistake about it the athletic program is big business.

[gator85jd]

Does it matter why he said it? Clearly the program was not broken. The program needed a new voice and I assume that's why Foley didnt go hard after guy's like Strong or Mullen. It is probably also why CWM only held on to the two assistance that had just got to Florida. This happens to major companies all the time and make no mistake about it the athletic program is big business.

Yes, it absolutely does matter why he said it. He said it so he must believe it. Did he realize he enabled the rift in the locker room and didn't have the balls to admit that and fix it? When he told that to a pOSU recruit who was also considering Florida (and the recruit's parents), isn't that screwing his beloved Gators? Couldn't he easily have not brought that up to the recruit and the kid's parents?

[JohnC1908]

Does it matter why he said it?

Yeah it does. It's a pretty bold comment to make and one of the many reasons people believe he quit. Luckily it appears he was mistaken, we found a coach up to the challenge of putting it back together.

[Tim85]

Is it possible that you can fully appreciate the things Urban did while here, and still not like the way he left, and how he left things? Of course it is, it's funny to me how people act like it can be one or the other. I love the championships he brought us, and the tradition, success, etc -- but I also think he tarnished his legacy and reputation by leaving the way he did, and leaving the team is disarray. He himself said he think it's broken -- it's also funny how anyone can deny that it was broken when the man himself said it was.

[GATORAZ]

Yeah it does. It's a pretty bold comment to make and one of the many reasons people believe he quit. Luckily it appears he was mistaken, we found a coach up to the challenge of putting it back together.
Say he did quit because he wasnt up to the job why harp on it people quit there jobs all the time for that reason. He didn't leave Florida in a terrible position void of talent. It was also still a desirable enough job where Foley hired a great person to fill the position. And like you realize the program was not broken.

People also dont actually believe he faked his health problems.

[gator85jd]

Say he did quit because he wasnt up to the job why harp on it people quit there jobs all the time for that reason. He didn't leave Florida in a terrible position void of talent. It was also still a desirable enough job where Foley hired a great person to fill the position. And like you realize the program was not broken.

People also dont actually believe he faked his health problems.

It was how he quit that bothers me. How he quit!

I also think that Tim85's post above is well stated.

[socraticsilence]

Of course, seeing the writing on the wall and the results of failed recruiting / coaching / team attitude dysfunction and demoralization, debacle in leaving / staying / cherry picking successor coming to fruition, Urbs bailed on UF for the 2011 season, thus avoiding another mediocre and / or losing season, which was salvaged to some degree by Coach Champ.

Whatever he "built" earlier, was left "broken" by his own admission. Kind of a meh trade-off, to me.

Two things:
1)Meyer does better than 6-6 in 2011.
2) if the program was so broken why did we go 11-2 this past season.

[JohnC1908]

People also dont actually believe he faked his health problems.

Yes, many people do. I'm sorry you have a difficult time realizing your opinions are not facts.

[socraticsilence]

Some people are so invested in the "Meyer isn't a great coach" line of reasoning I don't know what they're going to do if Urban wins a national title or god forbid beats us in a bowl.

[tilly]

Actually, I was mocking you. But, as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy! :laugh:


I'll try and find a way to sleep tonight. :yes:

[tilly]

Why would he have to FAKE anything. He's a grown up. People quit jobs all of the time. He could have just walked away. I think its amazing that people have created out of thin air the myth that his health problems are fake. His contract had an out. He could have just left for anywhere at any time.

It is based on absolute speculation. We all loved Shelly. Can we at least believe her? She was actually concerned for her husbands life.

[Lawdog88]

So then by you're own admission we are no worse for wear, so then what's the problem?

If we have a coach that comes in, wins some championships, spearheads new facilities and traditions, and then leaves after a 'bad' season, how are things so terrible that that this ongoing animosity still exists?

I mean, one year after he left we are back in the top 10. We still have the crystals for 06 and 08. We still have the $28 million dollar Heavener Football Complex. We still have the Ring of Honor and the Gator Walk. We didn't have any of that prior to Meyer.

We were arguably the team of the decade, and that was with 3 years of the Zooker. So if you guys can be just a little bit honest about it, I think you would have to admit we have A LOT more good memories from 05-10 than bad ones. But it seems like every good thing has been completely erased from your memories and all that exists 2010. It's actually sort of sad.


There is no thanks to Urban for what Champ has done. Substitute Urban for Coach Muschamp, and I daresay the 2011 season would have been worse. In short, Urban had not figured out how to replace Tim. Nada.

So, the man was broken, the program was broken, and Will salvaged the remnant of what was left by rooting out the remaining reasons for the brokenness. It was a messy job. Yes, he has indeed coached up the remnant of the former regime to excel and play a different kind of ball; with the other guy, IMO, that was not happening and was not going to happen.

Spin that any way you want.

[GATORAZ]

There is no thanks to Urban for what Champ has done. Substitute Urban for Coach Muschamp, and I daresay the 2011 season would have been worse. In short, Urban had not figured out how to replace Tim. Nada.

So, the man was broken, the program was broken, and Will salvaged the remnant of what was left by rooting out the remaining reasons for the brokenness. It was a messy job. Yes, he has indeed coached up the remnant of the former regime to excel and play a different kind of ball; with the other guy, IMO, that was not happening and was not going to happen.

Spin that any way you want.

Replace Tim you think that was the problem? How do you think Jeff would have looked in the spread even as a freshmen? The program was not broken.

[GatorSean]

There is no thanks to Urban for what Champ has done. Substitute Urban for Coach Muschamp, and I daresay the 2011 season would have been worse. In short, Urban had not figured out how to replace Tim. Nada.

So, the man was broken, the program was broken, and Will salvaged the remnant of what was left by rooting out the remaining reasons for the brokenness. It was a messy job. Yes, he has indeed coached up the remnant of the former regime to excel and play a different kind of ball; with the other guy, IMO, that was not happening and was not going to happen.

Spin that any way you want.

Huh? You're addressing points I didn't even make. I'm certainly not making this a Meyer vs. Muschamp argument. I'm firmly in Muschamps corner.

Almost my entire post was about the 05-10 seasons and your response only deals with 2011-12 and you're accusing me of spinning? :huh:

[demosthenes]

Yes, many people do. I'm sorry you have a difficult time realizing your opinions are not facts.

lol, what? Any idiot that believes that probably subscribes to the moon landing, or any other number of conspiracies too. It's embarrassing the level to which these Gator fans stoop.

[GatorSean]

You guys can talk about the 'broken program/ not broken program' until the cows come home.

The problem is nobody has defined what that term even means or what Meyer meant when he said it.

Certainly the team had issues in 2010-2011. And just as certainly those issues weren't so significant that they couldn't be removed in just one season of new leadership.

So who cares if the program was 'broken' for a year? Look at Tennessee, look at Miami, look at USC, look at UT, look at PSU... I mean if we're a broken program, what do you call those teams?

[beanfield]

There is no thanks to Urban for what Champ has done. Substitute Urban for Coach Muschamp, and I daresay the 2011 season would have been worse. In short, Urban had not figured out how to replace Tim. Nada.

So, the man was broken, the program was broken, and Will salvaged the remnant of what was left by rooting out the remaining reasons for the brokenness. It was a messy job. Yes, he has indeed coached up the remnant of the former regime to excel and play a different kind of ball; with the other guy, IMO, that was not happening and was not going to happen.

Spin that any way you want.

Urbs. should have, and still should be, sending TEBOW part of his salary......

[GATORAZ]

Urbs. should have, and still should be, sending TEBOW part of his salary......

Why he got him to go to Florida that was his job. Tebow does not get the accolades he got without Urban either.

[beanfield]

Why he got him to go to Florida that was his job. Tebow does not get the accolades he got without Urban either.

Think about meyers time at Fl. without Tebow......

[GATORAZ]

Think about meyers time at Fl. without Tebow......

I dont see your point. Meyer recruited Tebow to run the spread it worked out for both parties. Meyer did his job.