A Vol summarizes NSD

[HungaryGator]

Today reminds me of Christmas 1992 (Posted on 2/6/13 at 12:37 p.m.)

All I wanted was a Sega Genesis or a Super Nintendo. I wrote letters to

Santa. Begged my parents. Did extra chores, etc. There were hints and

rumors that all my patience would finally pay off.

And the Christmas morning comes, and what do I get? frickING CLOTHES.

All the other kids in the neighborhood got a Sega or an SNES. Auburn, Ole

Miss, UGA, the New kid A&M. The rich kids Bama, UF, LSU. Even the

wierd foreign kid that nobody liked, Vanderbilt, got what they wanted.

But not the kid who's parents drank too much and ran up credit card

debt, UT. We got frickING SOCKS.

I know I should be grateful We received anything. But frick Christmas and frick today.

[gator85jd]

Wow! Has anybody checked on that hillbilly's older brother and sister (a/k/a his parents) to see if he filled them full of buckshot and buried them in their back yard? Derek Dooley and the new guy better sleep with one eye open.

[Swamp55]

That's hilarious!

[ovillegator]

At least he's honest!

[CRIMDEFgator]

Poor UT. I can't glory in that too much... they have been our goat more than our enemy. In important years of our program they have been the New Jersey Generals to our Harlem Globe Trotters. I would rather see Bama fall on hard times than UT. I will say that I consistently said on this site and in other places, that they were idiots to shit-can Fulmer. Idiots! Now they see. Fulmer was a great coach for them. They worried about him being too conservative on one or two play calls to win the SEC or NC and now they are a bottom dweller who isn't even in that conversation. Fact is that UT sits in a state with little population, wealth or football talent... surrounded by mega-powers that have all those things in the vicious SEC. With Fulmer they were up with UF, etc. Now they are nothing. Bring back Phil guys. Bring back fundamental football. I almost miss ya'll

[DieAGator]

Wow, sorry, but that is one sad class Tenn pulled together. Of 22, 5 ranked below 150th at their position, 2 more below 100th, a 2 star and 3 star JUCO, 78th and 59th ranked DEs. That's 11 of 22 players you wouldn't honestly expect to be competitive. The other 11 there are four 4 star players, seven 3 stars.

Their class last season was better but only ranked 25th. This should sting for a while.

[CRIMDEFgator]

Wow, sorry, but that is one sad class Tenn pulled together. Of 22, 5 ranked below 150th at their position, 2 more below 100th, a 2 star and 3 star JUCO, 78th and 59th ranked DEs. That's 11 of 22 players you wouldn't honestly expect to be competitive. The other 11 there are four 4 star players, seven 3 stars.

Their class last season was better but only ranked 25th. This should sting for a while.

Get ready to be the second best in your own state and not in the SEC conversation as I said above.

[Tolbert1906]

Today reminds me of Christmas 1992 (Posted on 2/6/13 at 12:37 p.m.)

All I wanted was a Sega Genesis or a Super Nintendo. I wrote letters to

Santa. Begged my parents. Did extra chores, etc. There were hints and

rumors that all my patience would finally pay off.

And the Christmas morning comes, and what do I get? frickING CLOTHES.

All the other kids in the neighborhood got a Sega or an SNES. Auburn, Ole

Miss, UGA, the New kid A&M. The rich kids Bama, UF, LSU. Even the

wierd foreign kid that nobody liked, Vanderbilt, got what they wanted.

But not the kid who's parents drank too much and ran up credit card

debt, UT. We got frickING SOCKS.

I know I should be grateful We received anything. But frick Christmas and frick today.

That's great. The sad thing is that Vandy actually signed a better class than UT.

[gatorev12]

Ode to Volzheimers

[Spleezy]

Come September they'll all be saying they're going to blow us out and we got no shot.

[fox]

Delicious. Also love that UGA is one of the "other" kids.

[GatorSean]

I've always wondered how teams like Minnesota go from an absolute powerhouse in the 30s and 40s, to absolute bottom dwellers thereafter. I kinda feel like we might be in the midst of seeing that happen with Tennessee. The got passed by USCe a while ago, now they're being passed by Vandy. If Stoops shows up big at UK... it's going to be another long decade for the Vols.

[msa3]

New Jersey Generals

Washington Generals. New Jersey Generals were Herschel and Doug Flutie's team, owned by the bastard Donald Trump, the reason we've got no football games to talk about for eight months.

But, no, I'm not bitter. Not at all.

[Swampmaster]

they were idiots to shit-can Fulmer. Idiots! Now they see. Fulmer was a great coach for them.

fulmer got fired when he started losing a bunch of games--he used to be "great" but he lost it, including a loss in 08 to lowly wyoming at home that sealed the deal. UT's mistake was letting the moron AD hamilton hire kiffin and dooley--two busts.

[ThePlayer]

fulmer got fired when he started losing a bunch of games--he used to be "great" but he lost it, including a loss in 08 to lowly wyoming at home that sealed the deal. UT's mistake was letting the moron AD hamilton hire kiffin and dooley--two busts.

Glad Phat Phil is gone...his teams scared me more than once.
But even happier that Kiffy is gone...he could have made us miserable forever.

[tilly]

Washington Generals. New Jersey Generals were Herschel and Doug Flutie's team, owned by the bastard Donald Trump, the reason we've got no football games to talk about for eight months.

But, no, I'm not bitter. Not at all.

Yes. If not for Trump Spurrier and Bandit Ball might be celebrating a 30th title! Of course, on that note, the demise of the USFL may be what indirectly led to the golden age of Gator football.

[tilly]

But even happier that Kiffy is gone...he could have made us miserable forever.

Based on what? 7-5 records at USCw?

[GATORAZ]

Vol Radio station hired a nice fax girl
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/tennessee-fax-cam-girl/

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-signing-day-girl.jpg

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-signing-day-bikini.jpg

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-sports-radio.jpg

[gatorbogey]

that's a great analogy.

the fax girl was a great touch to further feed the male side of recruiting.

[The_Graygator]

That's what they get for having Hart as their AD.

Replace him with Fulmer and UT's program will get set back on the right path.

[mocgator]

I've always wondered how teams like Minnesota go from an absolute powerhouse in the 30s and 40s, to absolute bottom dwellers thereafter. I kinda feel like we might be in the midst of seeing that happen with Tennessee. The got passed by USCe a while ago, now they're being passed by Vandy. If Stoops shows up big at UK... it's going to be another long decade for the Vols.

From your mouth to God's ears..

[operamac]

anyone else notice that the colors of her "outfit" are Orange and Blue? :ninja:

[mebegene]

...where's Clevon Little when you need him...? :whoa:

Mebe

[wci347]

And we were supposed to blow Louisville out in the Sugar Bowl because we were so much more talented than they were. We have to come to play every game. The two games we lost we didn't. If we play like we played against Louisville and Georgia, even Tennessee and Miami will beat us. We have to teach our kids that to programs like those - that are completely down in the dumps - a game against us gives them a spark of hope. They will come out extra sharp and extra motivated to play. A championship caliber team realizes this and silences their hopes quickly.

[KendrellJones]

Two bad recruit classes in a row can ruin a team.

That's what the Vols got.

[tommyuf21]

Two bad recruit classes in a row can ruin a team.

That's what the Vols got.

It's absolutely lethal in the SEC. Even a couple of mediocre classes (which we've had a few) can really set you back.

[gatorjack]

Get ready to be the second best in your own state .It's true!

[RayGator]

Am I the only one who thought it a little humorous and interesting That ESPNU had Derek Dooley on the NSD show to give "expert" analysis from a coach's perspective?

[jagervol01]

If we can just protect the border (Jalen Hurd primarily) in 2014 and sign our legacy players (Todd Kelly's son, Bill Bates son, Andre Creamer's son and Eric Berry's brothers) then we have a great shot at a top ten class. Butch Jones only had two months to work with and the only real disappointment of kids we had a legitimate chance with and didn't get were Vonn Bell, EJ Levenberry and Derrick Green. If we had just landed Bell the class outlook would have been much different. Dooley quit recruiting after the Miss St loss in early October and we lost ground with those players but still I don't think it is quite as gloom and doom as you guys think. DE Jason Carr and WR Marquez North and even the QB Dobbs should start right away. We will see what Jones can do with a full year - this is an unusually strong year for in state Tenn talent. I know Muschamp has wants Hurd and Kelly badly and has already visited their schools to see them...and we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

[Swampmaster]

we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

if ut does lose to vandy, will ut fans blame it more on jones or dooley?

[jagervol01]

if ut does lose to vandy, will ut fans blame it more on jones or dooley?
It is on Jones because the Franklin as miracle worker is a myth. They had a senior laden team last year of Bobby Johnson's players and still only beat two teams with winning records (both 7-5 and Ole Miss was a miracle) while losing 48-3 to Georgia and 26-14 to Northwestern. Franklin insisted that they buy out of their opener with Ohio St because they play Texas A&M this year and he knows it will be a struggle to get to 6-6. 8-4 will never happen for them again...ever.

[tilly]

... .and we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

You might. ...and I don't think Franklin is a myth.

[jagervol01]

You might. ...and I don't think Franklin is a myth.
Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

[gator0316]

this is why you call them coaches ,they have their work cut out,but its possible they can work them into good players

[jagervol01]

And not that it necessarily means anything but Charlie Strong's class at Louisville was in the consensus of a 50-60 range. It doesn't seem like he built any momentum following the big Sugar Bowl win.

[tilly]

Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

I agree about tOSU....but that does not make him a myth. My guess is he knows where his team is today...and doesn't want to make it any tougher than it already is. Vandy isn't competing for SEC titles...but They are getting better and could conceivably win at Knoxville, during a down time for UT.

[danky1313]

Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

There is not one thing substantial in what you said that has any factor in the reality of Vandy's potential of beating the Vols in Knoxville, Franklin not being a good coach or UT's class being on par with Vandy's.

1.Who cares if Vandy backed out of game with OSU. You personally have NO idea of why that was done or if Franklin had anything to do with it. I don't care what Vol's brothers uncles aunts dogs friend said on Volchat as to why they backed out. You don't know and neither does anyone here or on a Vol board unless they ACTUALLY work for Vandy's AD or football program.

2. Vandy's class WAS better than UTs. You DIDN'T GET those players you say wouldve been the difference so why even bring it up. Facts are Facts.

3. I guarantee you had there been an Internet with message boards in February 1991 that several Vol, UGA and SEC fans alike would've been saying the same things you are about Franklin and Vandy about Spurrier and Florida. Obviously the situations, schools and programs are much different but no one can say for sure what will and won't EVER happen again or in the future.

I'll tell you this. If Vandy and UT were stocks everyone would be buying Vandy right now and selling UT.

[jagervol01]

The reality is there isn't much difference between being the consensus 21 class vs being the consensus 28 class and that was my point. I would not trade Jason Carr or Marquez North for anyone Vandy signed with the possible exception of Nigel Bowden. It is obvious why Vandy backed out of playing Ohio St. They don't think they can win and do think it could hurt their bowl eligibility. Also, I am glad you are not my broker if you think Vandy has more long term potential than Tenn. It is unlikely Franklin will even be there more than two to three more years and there is a reason a 8-4 team plays in the Music City Bowl. They don't have many fans and the Florida bowls don't want them.

[danky1313]

As a broker I wouldn't be selling you an annuity or something to sit on for 20 years. I'd be selling you something you can make money on in the next 2-5 years and when it cones to football Id bet on Vandy right now in the short term definitely before I'd bet UT with their current states of their programs.

And no its not obvious why they backed out. I think they'd have a great shot at beating an overrated Big 10 OSU and I'm sure their coaches and team would be a lot more confident in that than anyone else. I don't care who you are you don't coach or play football, especially in the SEC, if you don't think you can take on anyone and beat them at anytime. Games are backed out of all the time for a plethora of reasons and it's hardly ever because they are afraid of getting beat. Especially if you're a program with the history of Vandy. There's nothing to protect and everything to gain win and loss wise for them. A loss to OSU would have none to extremely little damaging effect on them. Definitely not enough to back out because they were afraid of losing. It's just a silly assumption to make much less to pass off matter of factly.

[gator85jd]

Am I the only one who thought it a little humorous and interesting That ESPNU had Derek Dooley on the NSD show to give "expert" analysis from a coach's perspective?

I thought the same thing, Ray. He's rumored to have disliked the whole recruiting process and then ESPNU has him on their signing day show. The question I raised on a thread on Awesome Recruiting is whether he was still wearing those orange pants -- ESPNU had him seated behind the desk, so there's a chance he still had them on.

[gator85jd]

You might. ...and I don't think Franklin is a myth.

Vanderbilt has never had a sustained period of success in their modern-day football program. You look at some of the relatively good coaches they've had: Brown, DiNardo, Johnson. It's never happened. Why will Franklin be successful and remain at VU? Is this another one of your "I believe" things?

[jagervol01]

Vanderbilt has never had a sustained period of success in their modern-day football program. You look at some of the relatively good coaches they've had: Brown, DiNardo, Johnson. It's never happened. Why will Franklin be successful and remain at VU? Is this another one of your "I believe" things?

What hurts Vandy more than anything else is their small fan base. They will have to win the SEC to get to a bowl outside of the state of Tennessee because as I said earlier the Florida bowls will not take them. That reality will have to eventually settle in on Franklin and the players he recruits and Franklin will leave for greener pastures. The fact that I am even arguing about being better than Vandy shows how far we have fallen and that they have improved a little.

[jagervol01]

Vanderbilt has never had a sustained period of success in their modern-day football program. You look at some of the relatively good coaches they've had: Brown, DiNardo, Johnson. It's never happened. Why will Franklin be successful and remain at VU? Is this another one of your "I believe" things?

Also, to add to this they had some very good defenses the first 3 years under Widenhofer. When we had Peyton Manning and some of our best ever teams from '95-'97, we beat them by scores of 12-7, 14-7 and 17-10. This is not the first time that Vandy has shown signs of improvement but it never lasts more than a few years. We beat them 38-0 in '98.

[danky1313]

Again let's visit history before making assumptions about the future. Army, Navy and Harvard were all at one time major football powers that at that time no one would've thought wouldn't stay that way or that wouldn't at least bounce back after a few down years. UT could fall to the wayside in that fashion even if their stadium holds 100k plus. Heck if they keep dropping attendance averages by 10k a year they may tear the thing down.

Miami was a small school with little/no fanbase till a few brash and rebellious coaches started "coaching up" that South Florida talent. Now Vandy doesn't have a recruiting base like South Florida but just because they're a small fanbase doesnt mean a thing if they start winning a lot. Heck Miami's fanbase probably has never travelled as well as Vandy's or at least just as much as each other's.


Now in no way do I ever think UT will fall off the face of the CFB map nor do I think Vandy will ever have anywhere the success as Miami. But let's not write them off because we think things should always be a certain way and never change. That's a pretty ignorant way to go about things.

[gator85jd]

Again let's visit history before making assumptions about the future. Army, Navy and Harvard were all at one time major football powers that at that time no one would've thought wouldn't stay that way or that wouldn't at least bounce back after a few down years. UT could fall to the wayside in that fashion even if their stadium holds 100k plus. Heck if they keep dropping attendance averages by 10k a year they may tear the thing down.

Miami was a small school with little/no fanbase till a few brash and rebellious coaches started "coaching up" that South Florida talent. Now Vandy doesn't have a recruiting base like South Florida but just because they're a small fanbase doesnt mean a thing if they start winning a lot. Heck Miami's fanbase probably has never travelled as well as Vandy's or at least just as much as each other's.

Now in no way do I ever think UT will fall off the face of the CFB map nor do I think Vandy will ever have anywhere the success as Miami. But let's not write them off because we think things should always be a certain way and never change. That's a pretty ignorant way to go about things.

Vanderbilt will probably never unabashedly cheat the way da U has over the years. Absent cheating in 'Caine swag fashion, I don't see that level of success for VU. But then again, you never know.

[jagervol01]

That is all true but my point was that when recruits realize that success at Vandy (even in the unlikely event of a 9-3 season) still means just another home game for them against a bad ACC team on a cold day in Nashville then that will put the brakes on recruiting. I was born in Old Hickory and have a lot family in and around Nashville. Vandy has few fans and that is not something they can overcome in one generation. Their own city supports the team they consider their biggest rival by a wide margin... Imagine if you played a home game against FSU and the Swamp was overrun with Nole fans. That is Vandy's reality.

[tilly]

Vanderbilt has never had a sustained period of success in their modern-day football program. You look at some of the relatively good coaches they've had: Brown, DiNardo, Johnson. It's never happened. Why will Franklin be successful and remain at VU? Is this another one of your "I believe" things?

Dude...just stop. What's your freaking deal? Following me from thread to thread ...just to rip even the simplest of statements....makes you seem silly.

You flatter me sir.

[gator85jd]

Dude...just stop. What's your freaking deal? Following me from thread to thread ...just to rip even the simplest of statements....makes you seem silly.

You flatter me sir.

Well, I've responded to posts by RayGator, jagervol, dank1313 and you on this thread. But somehow I'm following you? Please get back on your meds, buddy!

But in case you don't get back on your meds, remember this bit of advice: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everybody's not out to get you!

[tilly]

Well, I've responded to posts by RayGator, jagervol, dank1313 and you on this thread. But somehow I'm following you? Please get back on your meds, buddy!

But in case you don't get back on your meds, remember this bit of advice: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everybody's not out to get you!

Its several threads...."buddy".

I'm done with it though so...Go Gators.

[The_Graygator]

Franklin will get an unexpected upset here or there, but Vandy just doesn't have what it takes to seriously compete for an SEC title unless all of the other traditional SEC powers were having down years.

That said, I think Franklin is a fine coach.

[CharlesUF09]

They straight up melted down on VolNation when Von Bell went elsewhere.

[tilly]

Franklin will get an unexpected upset in KNOXVILLE but Vandy just doesn't have what it takes to seriously compete for an SEC title even though Tennessee is having down years.


Gray - I took the liberty of editing your quote to fit with this thread. :joecool:

[fortmyersgator]

Down years happen at every school..even Bama, Texas, Okla, Ohio St. Mich, and UF. Just UT's time. This new coach will fetch them a much higher class next year and years to come.

Vols will be back.

[danky1313]

Down years happen at every school..even Bama, Texas, Okla, Ohio St. Mich, and UF. Just UT's time. This new coach will fetch them a much higher class next year and years to come.

Vols will be back.

They've pretty much been having a down decade. Recruiting and on the field when you compare it to Fulmers glory days.

[oxymoron]

Mizzou supposedly had the worst recruiting year of the SEC schools. Come get your whoopin!

[fubar1]

Vol Radio station hired a nice fax girl
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/tennessee-fax-cam-girl/

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-signing-day-girl.jpg

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-signing-day-bikini.jpg

http://saturdaydownsouth.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tennessee-sports-radio.jpg

There's just so much to make fun of in this pic…deciding where to begin is a challenge.

[GATORAZ]

Mizzou supposedly had the worst recruiting year of the SEC schools. Come get your whoopin!

They are in some serious trouble. There is not enough talent in their area to sustain a good program and they don't play in the Big12 so they cant go into Texas anymore. They are trying to get into metro Atlanta but they are last on the totem pole.

[fubar1]

If we can just protect the border (Jalen Hurd primarily) in 2014 and sign our legacy players (Todd Kelly's son, Bill Bates son, Andre Creamer's son and Eric Berry's brothers) then we have a great shot at a top ten class. Butch Jones only had two months to work with and the only real disappointment of kids we had a legitimate chance with and didn't get were Vonn Bell, EJ Levenberry and Derrick Green. If we had just landed Bell the class outlook would have been much different. Dooley quit recruiting after the Miss St loss in early October and we lost ground with those players but still I don't think it is quite as gloom and doom as you guys think. DE Jason Carr and WR Marquez North and even the QB Dobbs should start right away. We will see what Jones can do with a full year - this is an unusually strong year for in state Tenn talent. I know Muschamp has wants Hurd and Kelly badly and has already visited their schools to see them...and we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

Getting Vonn Bell wouldn't have changed the entire complexion of your class. Would have helped, but marginally. North is a difference maker. Carr and Dobbs…maybe.

And I'll be waiting with popcorn ready if and when Vandy beats UT at home next year. Oh nelly that'll be a bloodbath on the Vol Radio Network.