Muschamp says Purifoy to WR

[Ahab]

#Gators coach Will Muschamp told @Bianchiwrites and @pat_dooley today that DB Loucheiz Purifoy will play WR in spring practice.

https://twitter.com/GatorZoneScott

[socraticsilence]

Curious given who we brought in this yr.

[Ahab]

Robinson was the only early entry though. Don't have good numbers there in the spring.

[Bedlam]

I don't mind this at all. Thought he was clearly the weaker cover corner out of Roberson and him. Hargreaves is coming for a spot, no need to have Purifoy on the bench when he is as athletic and talented as he is.

[atlantagator86]

I suspect he may play on both sides of the field some next year.

[G8torsRUL]

I don't mind this at all. Thought he was clearly the weaker cover corner out of Roberson and him. Hargreaves is coming for a spot, no need to have Purifoy on the bench when he is as athletic and talented as he is.

I agree with all of the above.

[gator1986]

I really think early enrollee's have somewhat of am advantage but not much. If a receiver is a playmaker naturally, he will come in compete right away, and click with the QB instantly... We have just lacked those kind of players

[GATORAZ]

I made a thread about this at the end of the season saying that I would move him to WR fulltime

[GATORAZ]

]I really think early enrollee's have somewhat of am advantage but not much.[/B] If a receiver is a playmaker naturally, he will come in compete right away, and click with the QB instantly... We have just lacked those kind of players

It is a huge advantage because of S & C and learning the playbook

[gymgator]

Burton should play WR and line up wide like Reed did last year. He is our only established playmaker on O, although I expect big things for Dunbar this year.

[fox]

Probably means - "will also play receiver" in spring practice. If he becomes a starting WR in the Fall THAT is news.

[GATORAZ]

Burton should play WR and line up wide like Reed did last year. He is our only established playmaker on O, although I expect big things for Dunbar this year.

are you the person that made a thread about Burton being an outside WR?

[gator1986]

It is a huge advantage because of S & C and learning the playbook

Learning the playbook is one I can agree with.. But if your intelligent, there should be no problem with picking up on the playbook quickly..

[nwflgator_58]

He is a playmaker. I think it's a great move.

[gatorump]

Wonder what Chipper Jones thinks of this?

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2013/01/03/unliklely-twitter-feud-of-the-week-chipper-jones-vs-loucheiz-purifoy/

[Tebowism0823]

Wonder what Chipper Jones thinks of this?

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2013/01/03/unliklely-twitter-feud-of-the-week-chipper-jones-vs-loucheiz-purifoy/

Good for Purifoy. Love the Braves and Chipper but he needs to keep his mouth shut as much as he turned into a pansy towards the end of his career.

[GATORAZ]

Learning the playbook is one I can agree with.. But if your intelligent, there should be no problem with picking up on the playbook quickly..

It is not that easy to pick up our system in a few weeks of camp.

[RepubliGator84]

I like it

[gator1986]

It is not that easy to pick up our system in a few weeks of camp.

That's where I disagree coaches use certain players for certain plays... Say if Alvin bailey remembers 10 plays that he's used for, that's all he really needs I know at first as the year goes on he could easily pick up the rest.

[rserina]

I completely disagree that Purifoy could lose his job. The kid improved immensely as the season wore. He isn't quite as good in coverage as Roberson, but he makes plays on the ball better than anyone else in the secondary and he is by our best in run support.

This to me means two things: 1) we want him to get work there so he can step over more frequently if needed next fall; and 2) we need the numbers for practice this spring at receiver, while corner is loaded.

[GATORAZ]

That's where I disagree coaches use certain players for certain plays... Say if Alvin bailey remembers 10 plays that he's used for, that's all he really needs I know at first as the year goes on he could easily pick up the rest.

yeah we just disagree.

[gator1986]

yeah we just disagree.

Isn't this why we live in America!!?? So we can agree to disagree and not have to suffer consequences? That's what Americans do right?Ok.. Good, next we just got to fist fight and we are all set haha.. It's the American way!

[petro]

are you the person that made a thread about Burton being an outside WR?

That was PROUDLY me. Good to see WM rethinking things and putting strengths into areas of weakness. Purifoy split out. Burton in the slot. Wouldn't want to defend that all game long.

Or, alternatively, DO NOT give them both a bunch of chances to make plays all game long.

eh?

[GATORAZ]

That was PROUDLY me. Good to see WM rethinking things and putting strengths into areas of weakness. Purifoy split out. Burton in the slot. Wouldn't want to defend that all game long.

Or, alternatively, DO NOT give them both a bunch of chances to make plays all game long.

eh?
Yeah that was crazy thank God that wont happen. Burton will continue to play the role he had previous years.

[rserina]

I made a thread about this at the end of the season saying that I would move him to WR fulltime
Wait, you think he should be moved to receiver, but you argued that he shouldn't be moved to safety because the staff considers him a corner? Don't get it. I understand the need at receiver, but it seems to me like we have a big enough need at safety that moving him there would not only fill it, but also keep him on the side of the ball where he is familiar with the schemes, opponents, etc.

Of course, the argument could be made that with Maye, Ledbetter, Harris, Neal, and Washington we won't have much of a need at safety after next season. I can grant that, but it seems like the current class of Robinson, Fulwood, Bailey, at el, will mean the same thing for receiver.

[CRIMDEFgator]

Oh my God! This kid is a ballhawking natural d-back with great instincts and incredible athletic ability. I'm all for using him at receiver if he can handle both jobs and both playbooks.... but anyone who thinks he isn't a UF cover corner because he wasn't as good as phenom Roberson last year is crazy. No offense. I suspect coach is just trying to push the receivers and get his best athlete on the field as much as possible and he is trying to find out if Purifoy can do it.

[petro]

Yeah that was crazy thank God that wont happen. Burton will continue to play the role he had previous years.

AWESOME! 3 or 4 touches in totally predictable situations for the most talented player on the team!! Should work out to a break out year. Maybe other teams won't watch film from the past couple years, or notice the QB has a different number. It could happen. Like Tebow coming in twice a game on 3rd and 3 for the Jets. Brilliant!! It could work. Again. Oh wait. Check the O stats from last year. Definition of insanity comes to mind.

[CRIMDEFgator]

Oh and as for his mini-debate with Chipper Jones... Jones is a good Gator. He didn't play ball for us cause, duh, he was a top 10 pick with big bucks. We all would've done the same. However, he was an elite athlete and I think he has as much right as the rest of the peanut gallery to comment on that ridiculous showing by UF in the Sugar... actually more right. If he had strapped on pads for UF? Who knows? He was more of a baseball player but I think he would have made a nice safety or slot receiver.

[CRIMDEFgator]

AWESOME! 3 or 4 touches in totally predictable situations for the most talented player on the team!! Should work out to a break out year. Maybe other teams won't watch film from the past couple years, or notice the QB has a different number. It could happen. Like Tebow coming in twice a game on 3rd and 3 for the Jets. Brilliant!! It could work. Again. Oh wait. Check the O stats from last year. Definition of insanity comes to mind.

Oh, sheeeeeit, you are so right brother. Let's get a little less predictable with this monster. A smart kid who is fast and can run with power is good for more than predictable wildcat QB runs against 10 man fronts.

[GATORAZ]

Wait, you think he should be moved to receiver, but you argued that he shouldn't be moved to safety because the staff considers him a corner? Don't get it. I understand the need at receiver, but it seems to me like we have a big enough need at safety that moving him there would not only fill it, but also keep him on the side of the ball where he is familiar with the schemes, opponents, etc.

Of course, the argument could be made that with Maye, Ledbetter, Harris, Neal, and Washington we won't have much of a need at safety after next season. I can grant that, but it seems like the current class of Robinson, Fulwood, Bailey, at el, will mean the same thing for receiver.

I don't think Purifoy is a safety. I also think we have plenty of good options at the safety position. Maye Poole Ledbetter Gorman Showers Riggs all good options at safety.

My take is if you are going to play Purifoy on offense move him over there the whole spring and see what you got. The teams is in desperate need of a vertical threat and I believe Purifoy can be that person. I do not believe any of the WR's besides Robinson can be a vertical threat this upcoming season. The addition of Purifoy and Robinson to the WR core would give us two vertical threats and drastically change how teams play against us.

[GATORAZ]

AWESOME! 3 or 4 touches in totally predictable situations for the most talented player on the team!! Should work out to a break out year. Maybe other teams won't watch film from the past couple years, or notice the QB has a different number. It could happen. Like Tebow coming in twice a game on 3rd and 3 for the Jets. Brilliant!! It could work. Again. Oh wait. Check the O stats from last year. Definition of insanity comes to mind.

Trey Burton isnt the most talented player on the team. Trey does a lot more than just wildcat QB When Trey is in the game he creates confusion even if he doesnt get the ball because the defense isnt sure what position he is playing.

[CRIMDEFgator]

I don't think Purifoy is a safety. I also think we have plenty of good options at the safety position. Maye Poole Ledbetter Gorman Showers Riggs all good options at safety.

My take is if you are going to play Purifoy on offense move him over there the whole spring and see what you got. The teams is in desperate need of a vertical threat and I believe Purifoy can be that person. I do not believe any of the WR's besides Robinson can be a vertical threat this upcoming season. The addition of Purifoy and Robinson to the WR core would give us two vertical threats and drastically change how teams play against us.

Agreed, not the hitting horsepower (ball separation power) required for safety. I could see him as an Ike or Reidel downfield. Am I crazy to think he could be a Hilliard or Anthony???

[GATORAZ]

Agreed, not the hitting horsepower (ball separation power) required for safety. I could see him as an Ike or Reidel downfield. Am I crazy to think he could be a Hilliard or Anthony???

I dont see that those two were shorter and really quick

[geauxgator1]

Oh my God! This kid is a ballhawking natural d-back with great instincts and incredible athletic ability. I'm all for using him at receiver if he can handle both jobs and both playbooks.... but anyone who thinks he isn't a UF cover corner because he wasn't as good as phenom Roberson last year is crazy. No offense. I suspect coach is just trying to push the receivers and get his best athlete on the field as much as possible and he is trying to find out if Purifoy can do it.

I agree, this guy has some heavy duty DB instincts. If he's a better wide reciever then OK, but I don't think you can have too many good CB's, especially in this era. I think he may be seeing time on both sides of the ball, as someone else said. Great special teams guy too. Problem is we don't have enough experience at WR, right now. He will probably see action on both sides of the ball.

[Speedofsand]

I recall Purifoy looked good vs cupcakes but was toast vs better SEC WRs. Its a good move to put him on offense for spring and see how it goes. We'll be fine with the secondary.

[gator1986]

I recall Purifoy looked good vs cupcakes but was toast vs better SEC WRs. Its a good move to put him on offense for spring and see how it goes. We'll be fine with the secondary.

I agree, defense literally is the least of my worries with next years team...

[petro]

Trey Burton isnt the most talented player on the team. Trey does a lot more than just wildcat QB When Trey is in the game he creates confusion even if he doesnt get the ball because the defense isnt sure what position he is playing.

You MADE my point. He could create that 'confusion' 3 (TOTALLY OBVIOUS) times a game.


Or................................ every play.

[GATORAZ]

You MADE my point. He could create that 'confusion' 3 (TOTALLY OBVIOUS) times a game.


Or................................ every play.

so you agree he should keep the role he had last year?

[gator1986]

so you agree he should keep the role he had last year?

What exactly was Trey's role? A ploy?

[GATORAZ]

What exactly was Trey's role? A ploy?

Trey plays a number of positions so its hard to identify what he actually is. Defenses are called sometimes on formation sometimes on personnel its hard to identify what Trey is so it gives people problems. Trey does everything well but nothing elite thats why he has that role.

I think some people just think about when Trey is in the wildcat. Trey is a bigger and reads blocks better than Driskel that is the reason he is put in the wildcat. If you notice Florida goes to the Jumbo package and the wildcat in the first half for a few plays. If the staff sees that the opposition is having trouble with their run fits in either of those packages they come back to it in the 2nd half and give a heavy dose of it. If the other team shows they are gap sound and not confused we might not even see it in the 2nd half.

[rserina]

I don't think Purifoy is a safety.
Still don't see why. He was the best tackler in the secondary last year outside of Elam and he is not afraid to hit someone.

My take is if you are going to play Purifoy on offense move him over there the whole spring and see what you got. The teams is in desperate need of a vertical threat and I believe Purifoy can be that person. I do not believe any of the WR's besides Robinson can be a vertical threat this upcoming season. The addition of Purifoy and Robinson to the WR core would give us two vertical threats and drastically change how teams play against us.
Agree on the first part. I have no problem with giving him a spring to absorb things, especially if we are short on numbers. I still highly doubt he gets significant reps at receiver in the fall unless he blows up this spring.

[gator1986]

Trey plays a number of positions so its hard to identify what he actually is. Defenses are called sometime on formation sometime on personnel its hard to identify what Trey is so it gives people problems. Trey does everything well but nothing elite thats why he has that role.

I think some people just think about when Trey is in the wildcat. Trey is a bigger and reads blocks better than Driskel that is the reason he is put in the wildcat. If you notice Florida goes to the Jumbo package and the wildcat in the first half for a few plays. If the staff sees that the opposition is having trouble with their run fits in either of those packages they come back to it in the 2nd half and give a heavy dose of it. If the other team shows they are gap sound and not confused we might not even see it in the 2nd half.

I've noticed that. They will use the Wildcat 2-3 times in the first half, and if it did not work, they will not use it again in the 2nd half. Though he is a tad but undersized I really think they should use him somewhat in a TE form, receiving mainly not for blocking. He was the QB for the local high school, and when I watched him play I thought the kid had TE like abilities for moves. He wasn't the fastest, or most agile but reliable with the ball in his hands. I could honestly see that working. That's just my opinion.

[rserina]

What exactly was Trey's role? A ploy?
Some slot, some tight end, some H-back, some single wing stuff, some zone read stuff. This year, I expect him to play more tight end and get those middle screens we threw to Reed as well as some of the wheel, skinny post, and post corner stuff we threw to Hines out of a two-point stance.

[petro]

Trey plays a number of positions so its hard to identify what he actually is. Defenses are called sometimes on formation sometimes on personnel its hard to identify what Trey is so it gives people problems. Trey does everything well but nothing elite thats why he has that role.

I think some people just think about when Trey is in the wildcat. Trey is a bigger and reads blocks better than Driskel that is the reason he is put in the wildcat. If you notice Florida goes to the Jumbo package and the wildcat in the first half for a few plays. If the staff sees that the opposition is having trouble with their run fits in either of those packages they come back to it in the 2nd half and give a heavy dose of it. If the other team shows they are gap sound and not confused we might not even see it in the 2nd half.

Or he could line up and be a threat EVERY play. Instead of an obvious gimmick.

Get it?

[GATORAZ]

Still don't see why. He was the best tackler in the secondary last year outside of Elam and he is not afraid to hit someone.


I wouldnt say he was our best tackler I would say he was the most willing tackler out of the 3 corners. Evans was a better tackler than Purifoy. That being said I just never saw him as a safety looking at his body and how he plays mostly off instinct. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how well some of the younger guys will play and tackle next year. Another major problem moving Purifoy to safety is he hasn't repped there. There is so much he would need to learn that I just don't see it happening.

[gatorman_07732]

The way I see it is he is a high impact player, so in other words he makes things happen on the field. He has eared this

[GATORAZ]

Or he could line up and be a threat EVERY play. Instead of an obvious gimmick.

Get it?

No I dont think you get it. Lining Trey up just in the slot or at TE takes away his greatest skill set which is his versatility. Putting him all over the field makes him a threat on every play its not a gimmick.

[gator1986]

No I dont think you get it. Lining Trey up just in the slot or at TE takes away his greatest skill set which is his versatility. Putting him all over the field makes him a threat on every play its not a gimmick.

I think what it is, is that they can use him the same way, we just think they should line him up at TE some, he can definitely catch and make plays... Why not?

[rserina]

Or he could line up and be a threat EVERY play. Instead of an obvious gimmick.

Get it?
You are making my head hurt. What he is saying is that Burton did line up often in various situations other than Wildcat. But lining him up the entire game as a slot receiver in our offense is going to kill you. He can beat a linebacker to the corner and he is okay using his size to shield defensive backs in short routes, but he will never beat a nickel or safety in a route past seven yards. Put him in the slot and they will sink a safety in the box and run press coverage until the cows come home unless your outside receivers are unbelievable deep threats.

I do think Burton gets his shot at a more fixed position next season, but I suspect that is in our multiple tight end packages, not slot receiver.

[gator1986]

You are making my head hurt. What he is saying is that Burton did line up often in various situations other than Wildcat. But lining him up the entire game as a slot receiver in our offense is going to kill you. He can beat a linebacker to the corner and he is okay using his size to shield defensive backs in short routes, but he will never beat a nickel or safety in a route past seven yards. Put him in the slot and they will sink a safety in the box and run press coverage until the cows come home unless your outside receivers are unbelievable deep threats.

I do think Burton gets his shot at a more fixed position next season, but I suspect that is in our multiple tight end packages, not slot receiver.

TE correct... I believe that it's very possible... He will be the best and quickest fill in for Reed'a void..

[petro]

No I dont think you get it. Lining Trey up just in the slot or at TE takes away his greatest skill set which is his versatility. Putting him all over the field makes him a threat on every play its not a gimmick.

Ever heard of "motion"?

You people are killing me. OK I surrender. Let's just do the exact same thing with the exact same personnel and exact same sets as last year. Everyone in on that?

You convinced me. Don't change anything.

[gator1986]

Ever heard of "motion"?

You people are killing me. OK I surrender. Let's just do the exact same thing with the exact same personnel and exact same sets as last year. Everyone in on that?

You convinced me. Don't change anything.

Ready? Break!

[Gatorphenom]

Purifoy will not end up at WR. The kid is a playmaker and the 2nd best corner on the field. In our dime it will be Purifoy, Roberson, VH3, and Riggs/Watkins/Poole

[Potzer01]

I don't mind this at all. Thought he was clearly the weaker cover corner out of Roberson and him. Hargreaves is coming for a spot, no need to have Purifoy on the bench when he is as athletic and talented as he is.

^^
This is pretty much how I feel as well.

[Mayhem41]

Ever heard of "motion"?

You people are killing me. OK I surrender. Let's just do the exact same thing with the exact same personnel and exact same sets as last year. Everyone in on that?

You convinced me. Don't change anything.

Dude, just stop it.... seriously.

I deleted the rest.

[geauxgator1]

Purifoy will not end up at WR. The kid is a playmaker and the 2nd best corner on the field. In our dime it will be Purifoy, Roberson, VH3, and Riggs/Watkins/Poole

I think this is pretty close to the way it is. Purifoy is good and will be getting better at corner. He's a stud and could be a safety too if need be. Who's to say Heargraves will beat him out this year? He's got all the creditentials but hasn't played a down yet. What about injuries, you need 3 good guys ready to go. Not to say he couldn't do double duty as WR too during thegame, if nothing else serve as a decoy.

[petro]

Dude, just stop it.... seriously.

I deleted the rest.

You bring ZERO.

Should we bow down to you? Meh

[CRIMDEFgator]

Since this thread has drifted into a Burton discussion, I have to weigh in further. I think our coaches need to take a page out of Belichick's book... use whoever you got to the fullest of your advantage. Purifoy is a pure athlete and needs to be on the field at some position, even if it means kick returns. Burton is more troubling. Too small for TE and too big for slot. I don't think we should forget that he can throw the ball well, as he demonstrated in Venice in HS. Use him in wildcat and have him throw downfield and see what happens. Stack the box against us and let him throw to Purifoy or whomever.

[geauxgator1]

Since this thread has drifted into a Burton discussion, I have to weigh in further. I think our coaches need to take a page out of Belichick's book... use whoever you got to the fullest of your advantage. Purifoy is a pure athlete and needs to be on the field at some position, even if it means kick returns. Burton is more troubling. Too small for TE and too big for slot. I don't think we should forget that he can throw the ball well, as he demonstrated in Venice in HS. Use him in wildcat and have him throw downfield and see what happens. Stack the box against us and let him throw to Purifoy or whomever.

From what I've seen of Burton, I wouldn't want him throwing the ball at all. I love him as a big back, H back, wildcat back, but not ever throwing the ball. Kid can motor too, but NO to throw.

[ametcalf]

I think it's a good move. Even with the freshman coming in, Purifoy brings experience, maturity and great athleticism to the position...which is greatly needed!! I'm also hoping to hear good things about Pittman. Robinson is another one that I believe will see early PT - in fact, I'd be totally shocked if he didn't. Fulwood is another one that I'm hopeful for, but we'll see how all that plays out. It's gonna be a fun competition to watch unfold.

[CRIMDEFgator]

From what I've seen of Burton, I wouldn't want him throwing the ball at all. I love him as a big back, H back, wildcat back, but not ever throwing the ball. Kid can motor too, but NO to throw.

Have you really seen him have a chance to throw??

[DieAGator]

Oh and as for his mini-debate with Chipper Jones... Jones is a good Gator. He didn't play ball for us cause, duh, he was a top 10 pick with big bucks. We all would've done the same.

Where is Chipper from? I always thought he was a died in the wool georgia boy.

and

Is Purifoy fast enough to be a real WR threat?

[ametcalf]

I like Burton...I think he's a good player and probably a great leader. It's hard to not want him on the field. As others have pointed out, due to his in between size concerning positions, I see him being more of a formation package type player...not an every down. We are loaded at RB, which would be the most probable position for him to play other than running the Wildcat. Again, that's a formation package. I don't know where he fits in now other than Wildcat and special teams.

[geauxgator1]

Have you really seen him have a chance to throw??

Yes, when he first arrived on campus. Not impressive. You may notice that the coaches don't have him throw when he's in the wildcat. I don't know if he's worked on his throwing since then, perhaps so, but from what I saw, he can't throw.

[nastyreptile]

Yes, when he first arrived on campus. Not impressive. You may notice that the coaches don't have him throw when he's in the wildcat. I don't know if he's worked on his throwing since then, perhaps so, but from what I saw, he can't throw.


Sure he can throw it, he was just a little wide left on the throw to his brother...:angry:

[geauxgator1]

Sure he can throw it, he was just a little wide left on the throw to his brother...:angry:

Let it go bro'.. time heals all wounds.

[demosthenes]

Where is Chipper from? I always thought he was a died in the wool georgia boy.

and

Is Purifoy fast enough to be a real WR threat?
Chipper is from Deland. Believe he was a UF commit.

As for Purifoy, you don't remember him returning kicks?

[fox]

Pease and Phillips might do wonders with the kid, Burton too. A second year with a dynamite OC and a good staff just might shock a few people around here. It's been quite awhile since we've had much year to year progress. Almost forgot what it's like myself.

[PSGator66]

Chipper Jones counldn't be more accurate and especially since we had such a great season to lay and egg in the Sugar Bowl!

[Matthanuf06]

Trey plays a number of positions so its hard to identify what he actually is. Defenses are called sometimes on formation sometimes on personnel its hard to identify what Trey is so it gives people problems. Trey does everything well but nothing elite thats why he has that role.

I think some people just think about when Trey is in the wildcat. Trey is a bigger and reads blocks better than Driskel that is the reason he is put in the wildcat. If you notice Florida goes to the Jumbo package and the wildcat in the first half for a few plays. If the staff sees that the opposition is having trouble with their run fits in either of those packages they come back to it in the 2nd half and give a heavy dose of it. If the other team shows they are gap sound and not confused we might not even see it in the 2nd half.

The wildcat is a terrible play, and by wildcat I mean designed QB run, that is known by the entire world. Now of course since it is known by the world it is run not by a QB. The play has one advantage, which is actually why it worked with Tim, and that is short yardage. The D actually has numbers after the first couple yards, but the O has numbers at the LOS. This only works better in spread formations.

I'm not sure what position Burton should play, but Wildcat should be limited. Personally he should be a WR/TE hybrid and should be motioned into the QB position (Wildcat) for when we run to run out of a spread set in short yardage.

[Matthanuf06]

Have you really seen him have a chance to throw??

Burton is a terrible passer and that is the main reason why the wildcat is ineffective. The lack of a threat of a pass is why the wildcat is ineffective across the board honestly.

That doesn't mean it doesn't have it's use. It does. It just needs to be used right.

[phideltdj]

The wildcat with Tre was real ineffective when he took to the house at UT or ran for a huge gain against UGA. If the blocking is executed it can be effective and it is always something additional for teams to prepare for.

[Brewski]

Burton is a terrible passer and that is the main reason why the wildcat is ineffective. The lack of a threat of a pass is why the wildcat is ineffective across the board honestly.

That doesn't mean it doesn't have it's use. It does. It just needs to be used right.

You know Burton threw for over 1,800 yards in HS one year with 18 TDs? ( while rushing for 22) I assume you base your "terrible passer" comment on the handful of passes the coaches let him make recently. If you look at some of his film from Venice you will see what a silly comment you made.

[Matthanuf06]

The wildcat with Tre was real ineffective when he took to the house at UT or ran for a huge gain against UGA. If the blocking is executed it can be effective and it is always something additional for teams to prepare for.

Selective memory and results based analysis. Besides UT had a terrible D. We could have had a team of GC posters and we would have put up decent numbers.

[Matthanuf06]

You know Burton threw for over 1,800 yards in HS one year with 18 TDs? ( while rushing for 22) I assume you base your "terrible passer" comment on the handful of passes the coaches let him make recently. If you look at some of his film from Venice you will see what a silly comment you made.

At this point who cares about HS? Reminds me of the JB debate. The fact is we don't let him pass much at all when we can have WR literally running free, and his few rare throws are terrible. I'm not bashing the kid, he just isn't a good thrower. Neither are 90% of CFB players.

Maybe he regressed or didn't progress as a passer. It doesn't matter. All evidence since he enrolled at UF points towards him lacking as a passer.

[Brewski]

At this point who cares about HS? Reminds me of the JB debate. The fact is we don't let him pass much at all when we can have WR literally running free, and his few rare throws are terrible. I'm not bashing the kid, he just isn't a good thrower. Neither are 90% of CFB players.

Maybe he regressed or didn't progress as a passer. It doesn't matter. All evidence since he enrolled at UF points towards him lacking as a passer.

So based on his 4 passing attempts last season, you declare him a terrible passer? Btw, he completed 3 of them. I don't think it is a Trey issue, rather they just don't call passing plays for him. He runs the wildcat.

[qwghlmgator]

Chipper is from Deland. Believe he was a UF commit.

As for Purifoy, you don't remember him returning kicks?

Uhhh...Chipper is from Pierson. The Fern Capital of Florida. Not even that close to Deland (the other side of Lake George State Forest). And he didn't sign with Florida because he knew essentially from his Sophomore year he was going to be a first round pick. But he most definitely grew up a huge Gator (one of my best friends is from Pierson and her family is close with the Joneses).

I personally like what Chipper tweeted. Chipper brought it every night for two decades and is headed for the HOF. In my book, he earned the right to give them shit. If the team didn't like it, they should endeavor to play better.

[GATORAZ]

The wildcat is a terrible play, and by wildcat I mean designed QB run, that is known by the entire world. Now of course since it is known by the world it is run not by a QB. The play has one advantage, which is actually why it worked with Tim, and that is short yardage. The D actually has numbers after the first couple yards, but the O has numbers at the LOS. This only works better in spread formations.

I'm not sure what position Burton should play, but Wildcat should be limited. Personally he should be a WR/TE hybrid and should be motioned into the QB position (Wildcat) for when we run to run out of a spread set in short yardage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehSrSdjYWo

[rserina]

Don't forget about this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EWGcdXMcp4

[OaktownGator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehSrSdjYWo

Why would we ever do that again? :joecool:

[Matthanuf06]

Not sure of your point. Results based analysis is an absolutely terrible to strategize. It is literally the worst thing you can do in sports. The fact that a play worked at some point means close to zero. You can go up and down sports, in any league, and find instances where bad process met good result. Yet, again look across sports, if you continue the bad process you get predictable results. The most obvious scenario is in bad fastball pitcher will get a swing and miss occasionally from a great fastball hitter...but over the long run he's going to get crushed if he relies on that pitch.

[OaktownGator]

How many 80 yard TD plays did we have last season?

Why would we pull any of them completely out of the playbook?

To your analogy with the pitcher against a great fastball hitter... not everyone is a great fastball hitter. You test the other team and see whether they have the play defended soundly. If they don't, you come back to it.

[Matthanuf06]

So based on his 4 passing attempts last season, you declare him a terrible passer? Btw, he completed 3 of them. I don't think it is a Trey issue, rather they just don't call passing plays for him. He runs the wildcat.

If he was able to throw they would throw more out of the wildcat. It is the only way to get the numbers truly in your favor.

[GATORAZ]

Not sure of your point. Results based analysis is an absolutely terrible to strategize. It is literally the worst thing you can do in sports. The fact that a play worked at some point means close to zero. You can go up and down sports, in any league, and find instances where bad process met good result. Yet, again look across sports, if you continue the bad process you get predictable results. The most obvious scenario is in bad fastball pitcher will get a swing and miss occasionally from a great fastball hitter...but over the long run he's going to get crushed if he relies on that pitch.



You know whats not a terrible way to strategize? Being multiple. The wildcat is another things other teams have to prepare for when they are about to play for Florida. If they dont prepare well then Florida will have great results in the package. UT was confused against the wildcat.

[Matthanuf06]

You know whats not a terrible way to strategize? Being multiple. The wildcat is another things other teams have to prepare for when they are about to play for Florida. If they dont prepare well then Florida will have great results in the package. UT was confused against the wildcat.

UT couldn't stop anyone.

I do not disagree about multiple looks. But then again, an extra look that is ineffective isn't really a good diversifier. I'm not against the Wildcat, mathematically a run only Wildcat is a great short yardage play. When you run it for other goals, it's terrible.

[GATORAZ]

UT couldn't stop anyone.

I do not disagree about multiple looks. But then again, an extra look that is ineffective isn't really a good diversifier. I'm not against the Wildcat, mathematically a run only Wildcat is a great short yardage play. When you run it for other goals, it's terrible.

Nobody is expecting to get 80 yards runs on the wildcat. It is not an ineffective look. Other teams have to prepare for it if they dont they will get gashed. Like I said in my earlier post they run it a few times in the first half. If it doesnt work its scraped. If it does work they come back to it in the 2nd half.

[rserina]

I don't see what the issue is. Probably a third of the teams in the country run some version of the play provided they have a guy who is a threat to do it effectively. When Burton is gone, it may be a different story, but for now he is good on the iso runs, he sets up his blocks well, and when we run the zone read stuff he does a nice job reading the play and making a decision. It isn't like the single wing is our base offense or something.

[geauxgator1]

Got to keep the wildact in to some extent. Other teams need to prepare for it.

[GeomatGator]

This makes no sense. If Purifoy is such a great playmaker with the ball in his hands, he should stay at DB. He would have a much greater chance of catching passes from opposing QBs than from Driskel.

[geauxgator1]

This makes no sense. If Purifoy is such a great playmaker with the ball in his hands, he should stay at DB. He would have a much greater chance of catching passes from opposing QBs than from Driskel.

Ouch... give Driskel some time. He'll be ok.

[socraticsilence]

Ouch... give Driskel some time. He'll be ok.

If we could reverse the season I'd feel a lot more optimistic about Driskel's play-- how can a guy seem to develop a bit early on (the first 4 games) and then with only a few bright spots regress- he had 15 practices prior to the bowl and played arguably his worst game of the year (he looked acceptable when we went spread once the game was out of hand but lets face it we aren't going to go 4 and 5 wide too often for as long as Boom is the coach). I don't know I guess i just feel a lot like I felt going into 2011, when we were all hoping Brantley would make the leap but had that nagging feeling it wouldn't happen.

[geauxgator1]

If we could reverse the season I'd feel a lot more optimistic about Driskel's play-- how can a guy seem to develop a bit early on (the first 4 games) and then with only a few bright spots regress- he had 15 practices prior to the bowl and played arguably his worst game of the year (he looked acceptable when we went spread once the game was out of hand but lets face it we aren't going to go 4 and 5 wide too often for as long as Boom is the coach). I don't know I guess i just feel a lot like I felt going into 2011, when we were all hoping Brantley would make the leap but had that nagging feeling it wouldn't happen.

No, I hear ya'..but he's still young and has a lot of talent. I see him needing the offseason and another spring working with Pease. Oh, and some better OL play will help out a lot.

[AFCyberGator]

Now Purifoy needs to avoid marijuana for a while or else he may not get a shot to play receiver.

[rserina]

If we could reverse the season I'd feel a lot more optimistic about Driskel's play-- how can a guy seem to develop a bit early on (the first 4 games) and then with only a few bright spots regress- he had 15 practices prior to the bowl and played arguably his worst game of the year (he looked acceptable when we went spread once the game was out of hand but lets face it we aren't going to go 4 and 5 wide too often for as long as Boom is the coach). I don't know I guess i just feel a lot like I felt going into 2011, when we were all hoping Brantley would make the leap but had that nagging feeling it wouldn't happen.
Outside of one bomb to Kight, Leak struggled against Iowa under the same conditions. Tebow barely hit 50% of his passes against Michigan in a loss. Both quarterbacks had far better playmakers around them than Driskel did against Louisville.

But I suspect nothing will get that nagging feeling out of your stomach until Muschamp is gone, so grab some Rolaids.

[Tebowism0823]

Uhhh...Chipper is from Pierson. The Fern Capital of Florida. Not even that close to Deland (the other side of Lake George State Forest). And he didn't sign with Florida because he knew essentially from his Sophomore year he was going to be a first round pick. But he most definitely grew up a huge Gator (one of my best friends is from Pierson and her family is close with the Joneses).

I personally like what Chipper tweeted. Chipper brought it every night for two decades and is headed for the HOF. In my book, he earned the right to give them shit. If the team didn't like it, they should endeavor to play better.

Chipper is from Deland but grew up in Pierson so you're both correct.

[DangerDays10]

Chipper is from Deland

Chipper is from Pierson. I live like five houses down from the house he grew up in. He's a family friend.

[Tebowism0823]

Chipper is from Pierson. I live like five houses down from the house he grew up in. He's a family friend.

I edited my post. He was born in Deland.

[DangerDays10]

Chipper is from Pierson. I live like five houses down from the house he grew up in. He's a family friend.

Washington Ave in Pierson, passed the high school. If any chipper-Pierson doubters want, I can go by and get the house number off the mail box lol

[Tebowism0823]

Washington Ave in Pierson, passed the high school. If any chipper-Pierson doubters want, I can go by and get the house number off the mail box lol

No need to stalk

[DangerDays10]

No need to stalk

Touche

[demosthenes]

Washington Ave in Pierson, passed the high school. If any chipper-Pierson doubters want, I can go by and get the house number off the mail box lol

Nobody cared that much... It was simply a comment regarding him seeming to be a "Georgia boy" according to a poster.

[DangerDays10]

Nobody cared that much... It was simply a comment regarding him seeming to be a "Georgia boy" according to a poster.

I know, I was joking.

[GeomatGator]

Ouch... give Driskel some time. He'll be ok.

He'll be OK if we can go through the SEC schedule throwing the ball 15 times a game, rushing for 150+, and hold teams to under 20 a game like last year. But he looked terrible in games 7-13. If we have to rely on him to make plays with his arm we're gonna struggle. He just doesn't look comfortable in our offense at all.

As far as Purifoy goes I'd say a lock-down corner is much more valuable than a decent wide receiver. Plus with Muschamp we're gonna run it 75% of the time anyway, so all he would be doing is blocking and running reverses. I'd rather he be covering the other team's best receiver.

[GATORAZ]

Like some others have said in the thread we need Purifoy to play WR in the spring just for numbers. We lost Hammons Hines & Ali to graduation and Andrades is playing baseball in the spring. We only have 5 WR on scholarship available for spring ball if we dont use Purifoy.

[bullish]

The only pass Luchiez is going to catch is the Blunt coming his way. LOL

[socraticsilence]

He'll be OK if we can go through the SEC schedule throwing the ball 15 times a game, rushing for 150+, and hold teams to under 20 a game like last year. But he looked terrible in games 7-13. If we have to rely on him to make plays with his arm we're gonna struggle. He just doesn't look comfortable in our offense at all.

As far as Purifoy goes I'd say a lock-down corner is much more valuable than a decent wide receiver. Plus with Muschamp we're gonna run it 75% of the time anyway, so all he would be doing is blocking and running reverses. I'd rather he be covering the other team's best receiver.

This is the year for both Boom and Jeff- we either adapt, throw more and build off 2012, or we fall back- and if we fall back it doesn't bode well for the future of either man.

[socraticsilence]

Outside of one bomb to Kight, Leak struggled against Iowa under the same conditions. Tebow barely hit 50% of his passes against Michigan in a loss. Both quarterbacks had far better playmakers around them than Driskel did against Louisville.

But I suspect nothing will get that nagging feeling out of your stomach until Muschamp is gone, so grab some Rolaids.

Leak had shown prior to the Iowa game that he could play consistently.

The Tebow example is frankly insulting to both of us but if you really need me to point out why Tim's 2007 season gave me more confidence than Jeff's 2012 I will:

Tebow 2007 prior to the bowl: 217/317 3186 yds 29 TDs 6 Ints
Jeff 2012 prior to the bowl: 140/216 1471 yds 11 TDs 3 Ints

Yeah it sure is puzzling which QB would make me more confident going into the next year- you could literally double Jeff's numbers (giving him more than 100 more attempts than Tim) and he'd only be a slightly above average college QB-- we all hope he'll get better but let's be honest about it- right now Jeff is a below average QB, whereas in 2007 Tebow had won some award they give out in New York each year, you might remember it.

[rburnett]

Personally, don't like the Purifoy to WR talk... He's the most physical corner and still growing at the position. He played QB in highschool, similar to Joe Haden - had some good and some bad moments early in his career... blossomed into #5 pick.

[gatordee]

I really think early enrollee's have somewhat of am advantage but not much. If a receiver is a playmaker naturally, he will come in compete right away, and click with the QB instantly... We have just lacked those kind of players

I would have to disagree with this. I believe ee's have a huge head start. You cannot really compare your average hs offense to the offense UF runs. I could say the same thing for defense. The coaches also get a chance to learn more about the players.

[gatordee]

I don't mind this at all. Thought he was clearly the weaker cover corner out of Roberson and him. Hargreaves is coming for a spot, no need to have Purifoy on the bench when he is as athletic and talented as he is.

Pretty much my thoughts to.