Krugman favors death panels and sales taxes on middle class

[PSGator66]

How do you like him now lefties..................

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Krugman-Death-panels-and-sales-taxes-is-how-we-do-this

[Row6]

How do you like him know lefties..................

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Krugman-Death-panels-and-sales-taxes-is-how-we-do-this

I like him better. Long term - the target his comments were aimed at - we will definitely have to pay more taxes across the board and we will definitely have to make more realistic choices on health care expenditures.

[gatorman_07732]

I like him better. Long term - the target his comments were aimed at - we will definitely have to pay more taxes across the board and we will definitely have to make more realistic choices on health care expenditures.

What choice are those, who lives and who dies?

[Row6]

What choice are those, who lives and who dies?

Probably different than those made today, but hopefully more rational.

[gatorman_07732]

Probably different than those made today, but hopefully more rational.

So then we should decide to deny certain people certain services?

[egator1245]

I like him better. Long term - the target his comments were aimed at - we will definitely have to pay more taxes across the board and we will definitely have to make more realistic choices on health care expenditures.

Should we also be making choices on who gets welfare, unemployment, food stamps, and housing as well as health care on a more ''realistic" manner? Who makes the choices and how and why? What do you want to see happen. Obama barely talks about entitlement reform or decreases.

[MichiGator2002]

Probably different than those made today, but hopefully more rational.

Made by government technocrats, in other words, and the douchey knowitalls who will fill those positions because they actually are vile enough human beings think they should have a say in the matter.

[Row6]

So then we should decide to deny certain people certain services?

Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions, while so far Medicare does a matador. Obviously that can't continue forever, especially with an aging population and medical care costs continuing to rise.

[JerseyGator01]

Dear Paul,

Death Panels have been here for years already with a big assist from Medicare.

Your buddy,

JG

[GatorFanCF]

Row6 wrote: Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions...that are AGREED TO CONTRACTUALLY by the policyholder.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=256318#ixzz2KAs37n00

Underlined portion tells more of the whole story. Sure, there are insurance companies who are total jerks and hurt people. Then, there are folks like those in the Villages who obviously didn't do any research on the total cost of owning a golf cart of their choosing:
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/1229/article/p2p-74319833/

"However, he said he had no idea it would cost him more to insure than a car."
DOH!

[RealGatorFan]

As i have said before, i see a form of Logan's run in this country by 2050.

[bluelang]

Personally, I'd prefer death computers.

[ncbullgator]

Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions, while so far Medicare does a matador. Obviously that can't continue forever, especially with an aging population and medical care costs continuing to rise.

The total amount of profits for insurance companies in 2012 amounted to about 14 billion.
Medicare fraud is estimated at 80 billion. annually.
Who would be saving the taxpayer monies managing the nation's healthcare?

:joecool:

[gatorman_07732]

Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions, while so far Medicare does a matador. Obviously that can't continue forever, especially with an aging population and medical care costs continuing to rise.

Yes we did such a fabulous job with Medicare that it is on a road sustainability and yet you want to give the government more and more control, thereby making more decisions that effect all of us. It perplexes me way you would trust bureaucrats so much as to making life and death decisions on people.

[Row6]

The total amount of profits for insurance companies in 2012 amounted to about 14 billion.
Medicare fraud is estimated at 80 billion. annually.
Who would be saving the taxpayer monies managing the nation's healthcare?

:joecool:

Then we agree that Medicare needs to tighten up on approval of medical procedures, much as do private insurance companies.

[mocgator]

How do you like him now lefties..................

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Krugman-Death-panels-and-sales-taxes-is-how-we-do-this

They love him. This is the core of the democrat party. You think the core democrat cares about the "middle class" or a tax cut on them. Half the country pays no taxes!

[QGator2414]

Gotta love the fiat debt Champion explaining that others will need to pay for the policies he pushes and supports in the future...

A true liberal. All about me...

[Minister_of_Information]

Not one penny in new taxes until the Democrats decide how much birthday cake they are willing to give back.

[madgator]

Gotta love the fiat debt Champion explaining that others will need to pay for the policies he pushes and supports in the future...

A true liberal. All about me...



Have you ever seen an interview with Krugman? He doesn't even come across as very intelligent.

Friedman would run circles around him and have him run off a stage in tears. The guy is a clown-shoe.

but he is a leftist who advocates their positions

[tegator80]

My biggest fear of the "Krugmans" in the world isn't the zigs and zags to justify each micro-stand. It is their unwavering belief that we have to bankrupt society completely in order to start at ground zero and "build it right this time." Thanks, but I have a hard time believing that there are that many intelligent (and honorable for the very long haul) people out there to pull that one off. The ultra-liberals KNOW that the reason that their plans failed is that they didn't invest in them enough. Need to try harder and with malevolence next time...for our own good.

[Row6]

Yes we did such a fabulous job with Medicare that it is on a road sustainability and yet you want to give the government more and more control, thereby making more decisions that effect all of us. It perplexes me way you would trust bureaucrats so much as to making life and death decisions on people.

I don't know if you have ever been involved with anyone on Medicare, but too much control by the government is not a problem for those receiving care. My dear republican mother - now deceased - was, like a lot republican voters, on Medicare and NEVER was denied a procedure, or even hassled about one. There was one test that was probably a waste of her time and Medicare dollars, and we were fortunate - in more ways than one - that her passing did not entail excessive life saving efforts. She went peacefully and surrounded by family, and both she and we were very thankful that she had Medicare. Go check what they think about it in The Villages, that hotbed of Palin and Scott rallies.

[Row6]

Row6 wrote: Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions...that are AGREED TO CONTRACTUALLY by the policyholder.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=256318#ixzz2KAs37n00

Underlined portion tells more of the whole story. Sure, there are insurance companies who are total jerks and hurt people. Then, there are folks like those in the Villages who obviously didn't do any research on the total cost of owning a golf cart of their choosing:
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/1229/article/p2p-74319833/

"However, he said he had no idea it would cost him more to insure than a car."
DOH!

We agree as voters as to what our contract with the government is. Of course en mass decisions have en mass results, a definite drawback, but many important things - like armies, highways, and medical care of the old and indigent - not done in en mass never happen.

[QGator2414]

Have you ever seen an interview with Krugman? He doesn't even come across as very intelligent.

Friedman would run circles around him and have him run off a stage in tears. The guy is a clown-shoe.

but he is a leftist who advocates their positions

And scarily there are textbooks that kids learn from he has written...

[madgator]

And scarily there are textbooks that kids learn from he has written...

another reason why this country is F%*#ed

[KelticGator]

So then we should decide to deny certain people certain services?

No, absolutely not. Every individual should be entitled to the most expensive and cutting edge medical technology to extend their lives regardless if its overall efficacy. When it comes to medical care, money is no object right?!?! There is no such thing as a free lunch . . . unless that lunch comes from a hospital cafeteria. Then apparently there is no cost or resource associated with it. It's in endless supply.

[PSGator66]

If you contribute your whole life to Social Security and Medicare you should get the medical attention that you need.

[108]

there really should be a serious discussion about end of life care

the US Gov is an extension of the people, and if we can't afford the increasing costs of health care, partially due to the large chuck coming from end of life care that doesn't achieve much, then it needs to be put on the table

there should be some sort of privatized insurance service for certain end of life care to temporarily prologue life

[108]

If you contribute your whole life to Social Security and Medicare you should get the medical attention that you need.

sounds good in theory, but then you can't bitch about that portion of Medicare which is in large part responsible for its rising costs

[T3goalie]

They love him. This is the core of the democrat party. You think the core democrat cares about the "middle class" or a tax cut on them. Half the country pays no taxes!

:ninja: Tipping point politics.

[squigator]

I like him better. Long term - the target his comments were aimed at - we will definitely have to pay more taxes across the board and we will definitely have to make more realistic choices on health care expenditures.

Rowe, assuming you listened to Dr. Carson's entire prayer bfast speech, what did you think of his health savings account concept - get the huge and expensive government bureaucracy out of healthcare? Oh, and what do you think of the concept of shielding doctors who provide services to subsidized patients from malpractice litigation to keep the medical costs of the subsidized patient to a minimum? If you don't like not being able to sue your doctor, get a job and pay for your own healthcare. And why should old people suffer the brunt of our dysfunctional healthcare system. Instead of delivering the babies of teenagers on medicaid why don't we just put the mother down. That would save on healthcare and prison costs and we wouldn't need to increase taxes.

I was going to continue with even more extreme ideas, none of which I support, just to encourage some of you to give some real thought of what could happen when you give an inefficient, bankrupt and power hungry government monopoly control over your healthcare.