Dwightmare Hands off Bozo Award for the Week to Lady Lebron

[SwampFox]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8905486/lebron-james-think-paid-value-current-cba

Can someone tell these two clowns to just shut up and play ball.........

"What I do on the floor shows my value. At the end of the day, I don't think my value on the floor can really be compensated......"...Lady Lebron.

Ok, he's underpaid according to current Superstar standards of the MLB. But why braodcast this belief to the blue collar schlubs who work 50-60 hours a week to keep food on the table for their kids. ??????????????

Just another reason these kids need some formal schooling.......at the U. of Common Sense and Compassion. :tongue:

Can you imagine these pofessional athletes playing "Take me out to the Ballgame" on a harmonica like the great "Stan the Man" Musial did at a White House gathering of Hall of Fame legends. :happy: ...brings me to tears, man.

Of course these two bring me to tears too...lol.

Ok, cue it up for me Stan...."Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away................"

enough said...(Rant # 1,201)

:laugh:

[corpgator]

It's true. If there were no cap, he'd be getting paid more. A lot of guys make what he makes and aren't nearly up to his value.

[AzCatFan]

And athletes have been clamoring they should be paid more for generations upon generations. Remember what Babe Ruth said when a reporter asked him why Babe should be getting paid more than the President? Babe's reply was, "I had a better year."

[1bobcat]

If there wasn't a cap then only a handful of teams would be good and not many people would watch the NBA with games that are 129 - 74.

[bakaduin]

I really can't argue with him. NBA stars carry the league and make a ton of profit for crappy owners like the Memphis Grizzlies. Players like Wade, Lebron, and Kobe would make a TON more if compensated for their value.

[SwampFox]

I really can't argue with him. NBA stars carry the league and make a ton of profit for crappy owners like the Memphis Grizzlies. Players like Wade, Lebron, and Kobe would make a TON more if compensated for their value.

They make more than enough with endorsements, etc. How much do they NEED???????

Hell, young kids, cnnot begin to afford to ever see them play.

Besides my point is, think before one speaks. A lot of folk in this country are having tough times. He isn't.........

[diamondted13]

Lebron was not looking for sympathy with his comment. Athletes get hammered for not being candid or real when giving interviews. Then they get hammered again when they are candid and honest.

Lebron is the best at his profession in the entire planet....and it's not even close. He is stating a fact that he is relatively underpaid. He is not comparing himself to teachers, cops, firemen, waitresses, etc. He is comparing himself to other professional basketball players. He is paid less than Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, and many other "max" players. His comments about his salary as it relates to the CBA are true. He also acknowledges that he knew he had to settle for less than a "max" contract in order to win a ring, and that MLB players don't have to make such "sacrifices". What exactly did he say that isn't dead on? Anyone that thinks he was claiming to be Mother Theresa is just looking for a reason to dislike him.

[SwampFox]

Lebron was not looking for sympathy with his comment. Athletes get hammered for not being candid or real when giving interviews. Then they get hammered again when they are candid and honest.

Lebron is the best at his profession in the entire planet....and it's not even close. He is stating a fact that he is relatively underpaid. He is not comparing himself to teachers, cops, firemen, waitresses, etc. He is comparing himself to other professional basketball players. He is paid less than Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, and many other "max" players. His comments about his salary as it relates to the CBA are true. He also acknowledges that he knew he had to settle for less than a "max" contract in order to win a ring, and that MLB players don't have to make such "sacrifices". What exactly did he say that isn't dead on? Anyone that thinks he was claiming to be Mother Theresa is just looking for a reason to dislike him.

Are you his PR man?????????

:tongue:

[GatorLurker]

Who is LeBron? Who is Dwight Howard? Where did they play college hoops?

I click over an NBA game unless I see a former UF player on the floor.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Lebron was not looking for sympathy with his comment. Athletes get hammered for not being candid or real when giving interviews. Then they get hammered again when they are candid and honest.

Lebron is the best at his profession in the entire planet....and it's not even close. He is stating a fact that he is relatively underpaid. He is not comparing himself to teachers, cops, firemen, waitresses, etc. He is comparing himself to other professional basketball players. He is paid less than Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, and many other "max" players. His comments about his salary as it relates to the CBA are true. He also acknowledges that he knew he had to settle for less than a "max" contract in order to win a ring, and that MLB players don't have to make such "sacrifices". What exactly did he say that isn't dead on? Anyone that thinks he was claiming to be Mother Theresa is just looking for a reason to dislike him.

Understand your point, but I think the OP had a valid one as well. These players elect player reps and a union rep to negotiate the CBA. Why is he even talking about this? It's a mute point. The statement in the article that rubbed me the wrong way is when he said he doesn't "get credit" for taking a little bit less money.

The news flash that most of these guys don't get is twofold:

1. When you make more than 99% of the rest of the population, people don't care that you took less money because, to them, $3 million less than your max still is $16.995 million more than the average guy watching you on TV.

2. A lot of people don't respect you for the way you got your ring and for leaving your home town to do it (right or wrong).

It's not the fact that he is wrong. It's the fact that he's talking about it to the press at all. The point is that some things are better left unsaid and he doesn't have the sense to know that.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Malooffs made 450 million selling the Kings, Bron was pissed about the lockout. He was, and is, right

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Malooffs made 450 million selling the Kings, Bron was pissed about the lockout. He was, and is, right

What is he right about? That Stern put the smackdown on Hunter and Hunter gave back 7% of revenues?

What most players don't get is that no one cares about multi millionaires complaining about billionaires making too much money.

[diamondted13]

Understand your point, but I think the OP had a valid one as well. These players elect player reps and a union rep to negotiate the CBA. Why is he even talking about this? It's a mute point. The statement in the article that rubbed me the wrong way is when he said he doesn't "get credit" for taking a little bit less money.

The news flash that most of these guys don't get is twofold:

1. When you make more than 99% of the rest of the population, people don't care that you took less money because, to them, $3 million less than your max still is $16.995 million more than the average guy watching you on TV.

2. A lot of people don't respect you for the way you got your ring and for leaving your home town to do it (right or wrong).

It's not the fact that he is wrong. It's the fact that he's talking about it to the press at all. The point is that some things are better left unsaid and he doesn't have the sense to know that.

I can see your point as well. Personally, I can't knock athletes for being frank and honest, especially when what their saying is pretty accurate. Just like I wasn't offended by what Phil Mickelson said. I would much prefer athletes be genuine as opposed to giving cliche' or generic responses (e.g. Tiger Woods).

It's not as if LeBron called a press conference to say he deserved credit for taking less cash. It came up during the course of the interview. He has not harped on the "I took less money" aspect. It's been almost 3 years now. I find it interesting that athletes always get criticized for taking the most money as FA's....as opposed to signing with teams that have a better chance to win. In his case, he prioritized winning over "max" money. That obviously was obscured by how poorly he handled 'The Decision'. And there's no doubt that some will never forgive or look past his departure from Cleveland. In fact, I think it's the primary reason he is catching any flack for this interview. His comments are fairly benign.

[og8trz]

Owners of every business take the risks, therefore, they deserve the vast majority of the profits.

How is James worth more when he has won 1 ring? If he was so great he would have lifted his team to championships like the greatest basketball player of all time, Bill Russell.

The Celtics had never won anything until he came in 1957. They won immediately and didn't stop until he left 13 years and 11 championships later.

The only guy in all 11 championship photos? William Felton Russell.

James is over paid as is every other NBA player.

[Tasselhoff]

Lebron signed with Miami for what he did because he wanted to win championships. In fact I believe he even mentioned taking less at miami because he money was not as important as rings.
Now after he gets a ring he wants to complain about his pay?

He just wants his cake and eat it too.

[InstiGATOR1]

It's true. If there were no cap, he'd be getting paid more. A lot of guys make what he makes and aren't nearly up to his value.

Exactly and he is probably just repeating what his agent has told him about the cap. Certainly everyone who studies the issue thinks caps hurt the biggest stars and helps other lesser players.

[ovillegator]

Lebron signed with Miami for what he did because he wanted to win championships. In fact I believe he even mentioned taking less at miami because he money was not as important as rings.
Now after he gets a ring he wants to complain about his pay?

He just wants his cake and eat it too.

And that's a LOT of cake, too!

[SwampFox]

Exactly and he is probably just repeating what his agent has told him about the cap. Certainly everyone who studies the issue thinks caps hurt the biggest stars and helps other lesser players.

The endorsement arena helps to bankroll their posse so all is good.

Small market teams and fans suffer most from the MLB template.

[diamondted13]

Owners of every business take the risks, therefore, they deserve the vast majority of the profits.

How is James worth more when he has won 1 ring? If he was so great he would have lifted his team to championships like the greatest basketball player of all time, Bill Russell.

The Celtics had never won anything until he came in 1957. They won immediately and didn't stop until he left 13 years and 11 championships later.

The only guy in all 11 championship photos? William Felton Russell.

James is over paid as is every other NBA player.

So, to summarize, Bill Russell is the greatest and everyone else sucks. Got it.

[diamondted13]

Lebron signed with Miami for what he did because he wanted to win championships. In fact I believe he even mentioned taking less at miami because he money was not as important as rings.
Now after he gets a ring he wants to complain about his pay?

He just wants his cake and eat it too.

Once again, the negative perception of LeBron frames how someone interprets his comments. He wasn't complaining. He was just stating facts.

[bakaduin]

You guys act like this happened in a vacuum and he just blurted this out.

He was asked whether it was right that he wasn't the highest paid player in the NBA when he is league MVP. The above quote taken out of context was his answer. How else is he supposed to answer?

[GatorLurker]

How else is he supposed to answer?

"Bull Durham" has the answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

[SwampFox]

You guys act like this happened in a vacuum and he just blurted this out.

He was asked whether it was right that he wasn't the highest paid player in the NBA when he is league MVP. The above quote taken out of context was his answer. How else is he supposed to answer?

How 'bout, "I make plenty of money and am blessed to be where I am at in life in ways more important than my bank account balance. Others are not near as fortunate so I just do not feel comfortable expressing to my NBA fans that I am in any way feeling shortchanged."

That's how a real king would talk...

hey, I can dream, can't I?


:tongue:

[Matthanuf06]

Lebron is seriously underpaid. It's not smart though to say it publicly. The public is generally stupid, emotional, and can only see the world through their perspective. Logically your money situation has nothing to do with Lebrons worth. The public doesn't understand finance and business and relates everything to their life. They see themselves makin 50k and struggling so whether you are an underpaid millionaire doesn't register at all, it's just an out of touch rich person complaining. They are unable to separate the truth. So don't say it at all, and just give cliches and play to the emotionally stupidity

[Angaza]

Lebron is seriously underpaid. It's not smart though to say it publicly. The public is generally stupid, emotional, and can only see the world through their perspective. Logically your money situation has nothing to do with Lebrons worth. The public doesn't understand finance and business and relates everything to their life. They see themselves makin 50k and struggling so whether you are an underpaid millionaire doesn't register at all, it's just an out of touch rich person complaining. They are unable to separate the truth. So don't say it at all, and just give cliches and play to the emotionally stupidityREP! The "He makes more money than me, he should be happy with what he has" argument is so stupid. He isn't a replaceable peon at an insurance company, he's the best basketball player in the world. Although I guess Robert Horry is better than him, according to some posters' arguments, with his 7 RANGZ and all.

[Tasselhoff]

I do not care how much lebron makes. But when he uses the whole "its not about the money" line when he signs he sbould have said the same thing when asked the question.
He c ould have answered..... The money isnt important. I make plenty. What is important is playing with a great team, winning championships, and becoming the best ever.
Had he answered something along those lines he would have gained a lot of respect those that were miffed by how he left cleveland and miami and the general public. It is all a pr move.

[your_perfect_enemy]

REP! The "He makes more money than me, he should be happy with what he has" argument is so stupid. He isn't a replaceable peon at an insurance company, he's the best basketball player in the world. Although I guess Robert Horry is better than him, according to some posters' arguments, with his 7 RANGZ and all.

He's not replaceable as a basketball player but it is absolutely ridiculous to whine about not being paid more for a game. I know it's supply/demand driven why they're able to make so much but when teachers and firemen etc, people that have a real impact on society, are making in a year what he makes in a game, I feel no sympathy for him.

[diamondted13]

Lebron is seriously underpaid. It's not smart though to say it publicly. The public is generally stupid, emotional, and can only see the world through their perspective. Logically your money situation has nothing to do with Lebrons worth. The public doesn't understand finance and business and relates everything to their life. They see themselves makin 50k and struggling so whether you are an underpaid millionaire doesn't register at all, it's just an out of touch rich person complaining. They are unable to separate the truth. So don't say it at all, and just give cliches and play to the emotionally stupidity

Well said. EVERYTHING in life is relative. I'm sure folks in Haiti would roll their eyes to hear blue collar Joe complaining about the price of his health insurance and depleted 401K. Does this mean Joe is suddenly out of touch?

[Go2gtr]

I really can't argue with him. NBA stars carry the league and make a ton of profit for crappy owners like the Memphis Grizzlies. Players like Wade, Lebron, and Kobe would make a TON more if compensated for their value.
Oh the humanity!

[diamondted13]

I do not care how much lebron makes. But when he uses the whole "its not about the money" line when he signs he sbould have said the same thing when asked the question.
He c ould have answered..... The money isnt important. I make plenty. What is important is playing with a great team, winning championships, and becoming the best ever.
Had he answered something along those lines he would have gained a lot of respect those that were miffed by how he left cleveland and miami and the general public. It is all a pr move.

I disagree. Those who hate LeBron for leaving Cleveland are never going to change their opinion about him. Had he said the above, his critics would dismiss the comments as trite, cliched drivel. LeBron has said similar things (as have so many athletes) about being blessed and lucky quite often. That doesn't mean he can't look at Joe Johnson and say "dude, I don't get paid enough!"

[Go2gtr]

I disagree. Those who hate LeBron for leaving Cleveland are never going to change their opinion about him. Had he said the above, his critics would dismiss the comments as trite, cliched drivel. LeBron has said similar things (as have so many athletes) about being blessed and lucky quite often. That doesn't mean he can't look at Joe Johnson and say "dude, I don't get paid enough!"
Not all comments are appropriate in all situations, even if they are true. Those comments he made were appropriate for the negotiating meeting. Doesn't matter if a reporter asked him or not. I don't think it would kill him if some talking heads criticized him for being trite. Who cares about them anyway? Isn't what he does on the court the most important thing?

[diamondted13]

Not all comments are appropriate in all situations, even if they are true. Those comments he made were appropriate for the negotiating meeting. Doesn't matter if a reporter asked him or not. I don't think it would kill him if some talking heads criticized him for being trite. Who cares about them anyway? Isn't what he does on the court the most important thing?

So you want your athletes and sports personalities to speak in cliche's? Just in case they might offend someone?

You must love Bill Belichick press conferences. Conversely, you must hate Steve Spurrier pressers and interviews.

[Tasselhoff]

Lebron started the " it isnt about the money" scenario when he signed with miami. It worked for bim Tv and radio personalities quoted it over and over. People bought into the idea Lebron was really just looking for some rings. It looks and sounds bad for him now come out and say he isnt bad his fair share. He got his ring....according to him he should be happy.

[SwampFox]

So you want your athletes and sports personalities to speak in cliche's? Just in case they might offend someone?

You must love Bill Belichick press conferences. Conversely, you must hate Steve Spurrier pressers and interviews.

Nope...I like it when they say what they actually feel. That still doesn't make the substance of what they say anymore inteligent or appropriate for the situation.....

Friggin diva modern day athletes...

[Go2gtr]

So you want your athletes and sports personalities to speak in cliche's? Just in case they might offend someone?

You must love Bill Belichick press conferences. Conversely, you must hate Steve Spurrier pressers and interviews.
WTF do I care what they say to the media? I don't hang on their every word like you must. Sports personalities? They have importance in your life? I suspect you will out grow that some day.

Just by your response I can tell you are all for offending people, even when you don't need to for any practical reason.

Do I "love Bill Belichick press conferences?" That's really very funny. I have never even thought about that. It's a totally absurd notion to me.

Attaching "love" and "hate" to sports personality press conferences makes you an absurd person.

[regurgigator]

Lebron started the " it isnt about the money" scenario when he signed with miami. It worked for bim Tv and radio personalities quoted it over and over. People bought into the idea Lebron was really just looking for some rings. It looks and sounds bad for him now come out and say he isnt bad his fair share. He got his ring....according to him he should be happy.

Did he say he wasn't happy?

I suppose it's likely that at some point LeBron said "it isn't about the money" in reference to him (and Wade and Bosh) taking less than max salary, but I don't recall a lot of focus on the quote or that tv and radio personalities were quoting it over and over. And, I watched The Decision and follow NBA media reports fairly regularly. Yes, I've heard plenty of references to the fact that the Heat's Big Three took less than max, but don't recall anything about this quote from LeBron.


LeBron needs to do his detractors a big favor and do something we all can agree is really bad!

[UFG8rGuy3283]

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would think that guys playing basketball making $17MM a year, in this economy especially, should be getting "credit" for taking less. That's what peaves me about Lebron's interview.

Relative to players making more than him, yes, he is undervalued, but don't expect people, especially the average fan, to give you "credit" for anything other than being the best basketball player on the planet. Most everyone would agree with that statement? What more does the guy want?

Billy Hunter gave back 7% of revenues in the new CBA. The players agreed to it collectively. Lebron agreed to him contract. What the hell else does the guy want?

There was a guy who said something about being a replaceable peon insurance guy. I'm not an insurance guy, but that comment irks me, completely. Doctors don't make as much as many NBA players, but it doesn't diminish their importance to society.

Perhaps the better question that should be discussed is, why have we allowed sports to become so important in our culture, much like music and entertainers? Why do they dominate our culture so much to where we care what a guy like Lebron James is saying?

My life perspective and priorities changed significantly when I got married and became a dad. I used to yell and scream at the TV whenever UF would play. Hell, I missed my high school graduation to see the Magic play game 1 against Houston in the NBA Finals.

Now, most of the UF games get DVRd or I might even miss a game here and there and the NBA gets watched as a passing afterthought if I can't fall asleep after a long day. I like to frequent these boards to have a good dialogue with fellow Gator fans about our teams and get info that others graciously take the time to research and share.

I'm not saying that people who live for sports are wrong, but in the grand scheme of life, I find it perplexing as to why someone defends a guy like Lebron who cares so much about who is giving him credit for taking a little less money. I think he gets plenty of love from the world in general and when you complain about stuff like this, whether you are or not, it comes off as very self centered and needy.

[diamondted13]

WTF do I care what they say to the media? I don't hang on their every word like you must. Sports personalities? They have importance in your life? I suspect you will out grow that some day.

Just by your response I can tell you are all for offending people, even when you don't need to for any practical reason.

Do I "love Bill Belichick press conferences?" That's really very funny. I have never even thought about that. It's a totally absurd notion to me.

Attaching "love" and "hate" to sports personality press conferences makes you an absurd person.

You obviously do care about what athletes say to the media since you are opining on his comments. And it's pretty ironic that someone who's posted as often as you have on a sports message board is so dismissive of "sports personalities" having any significance in your life.

I have been consistent throughout this thread defending an athlete's right to speak his mind without people hanging on his every word and taking offense to pretty benign comments. But yeah, you're right. I am completely absurd.

[Go2gtr]

You obviously do care about what athletes say to the media since you are opining on his comments. And it's pretty ironic that someone who's posted as often as you have on a sports message board is so dismissive of "sports personalities" having any significance in your life.

I have been consistent throughout this thread defending an athlete's right to speak his mind without people hanging on his every word and taking offense to pretty benign comments. But yeah, you're right. I am completely absurd.

In fact I do not care what LBJ says to the media. I opined that not all statements are appropriate for every situation regardless if they are true. I stand by that.

I am not dismissive of athletes. But I am dismissive of attaching importance to what they tell the media.

In fact you are absurd for caring so much about Bill Belichick press conferences and for assuming that I do as well. I stand by that too.

Finally I don't see why you needed to make this personal just because my opinion differed from yours.

[diamondted13]

In fact I do not care what LBJ says to the media. I opined that not all statements are appropriate for every situation regardless if they are true. I stand by that.

I am not dismissive of athletes. But I am dismissive of attaching importance to what they tell the media.

In fact you are absurd for caring so much about Bill Belichick press conferences and for assuming that I do as well. I stand by that too.

Finally I don't see why you needed to make this personal just because my opinion differed from yours.

This is comical and a classic case of projection. You accuse me of liking to offend people and call me an absurd person...yet I am the one who made it personal?!?! This whole thread is bizarro if you ask me. :huh:

[Go2gtr]

"So you want your athletes and sports personalities to speak in cliche's? Just in case they might offend someone?

You must love Bill Belichick press conferences. Conversely, you must hate Steve Spurrier pressers and interviews."

Your exact words to me. I never addressed you. I'm out.

[regurgigator]

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would think that guys playing basketball making $17MM a year, in this economy especially, should be getting "credit" for taking less. That's what peaves me about Lebron's interview.

Relative to players making more than him, yes, he is undervalued, but don't expect people, especially the average fan, to give you "credit" for anything other than being the best basketball player on the planet. Most everyone would agree with that statement? What more does the guy want?

Billy Hunter gave back 7% of revenues in the new CBA. The players agreed to it collectively. Lebron agreed to him contract. What the hell else does the guy want?

There was a guy who said something about being a replaceable peon insurance guy. I'm not an insurance guy, but that comment irks me, completely. Doctors don't make as much as many NBA players, but it doesn't diminish their importance to society.

Perhaps the better question that should be discussed is, why have we allowed sports to become so important in our culture, much like music and entertainers? Why do they dominate our culture so much to where we care what a guy like Lebron James is saying?

My life perspective and priorities changed significantly when I got married and became a dad. I used to yell and scream at the TV whenever UF would play. Hell, I missed my high school graduation to see the Magic play game 1 against Houston in the NBA Finals.

Now, most of the UF games get DVRd or I might even miss a game here and there and the NBA gets watched as a passing afterthought if I can't fall asleep after a long day. I like to frequent these boards to have a good dialogue with fellow Gator fans about our teams and get info that others graciously take the time to research and share.

I'm not saying that people who live for sports are wrong, but in the grand scheme of life, I find it perplexing as to why someone defends a guy like Lebron who cares so much about who is giving him credit for taking a little less money. I think he gets plenty of love from the world in general and when you complain about stuff like this, whether you are or not, it comes off as very self centered and needy.

I finally had to open the article to see what LeBron was saying about not getting credit. Now, I'm not even sure he said it, because the article puts "the credit" in parentheses, which I think means he said something else. In any event, it looks like he's just saying that there hasn't been a lot of press about him never having a max contract and/or that the Heat's Big Three all took less than max contracts. I'm not sure I agree; I've heard it mentioned a number of times on tv. But, so what?

That said, I do give athletes "credit" in the sense of an "attaboy" when they take less money to join a championship contender. Just as I gave credit to Haslem and Miller for doing that to play with the Heat.

And, while I don't think players are exactly "wrong-headed" if they go for the money instead, I must say that when Steve Garvey was literally crying because he had been "forced" to leave the Dodger team he loved to got to the Padres because the Dodgers wouldn't match waht the Padres offered, I had to laugh. The man was already very wealthy. He could have stayed with the Dodgers if he wanted.

[BLING]

I can't say I feel bad for Lebron, but he does have a point. If NBA free agency were a true "free market" Lebron would probably be making $50 Million a year (or more!) instead of $15 mil or whatever it's artificially capped at now.

That being said, salary cap makes sense to have a more competitive league. Maybe there should be a better system of "exclusion" though, so each team can sign 1 superstar at a completely uncapped salary if they so choose. There's really only what, like 10-15 players in the league that would truly demand a salary far and above the current cap? That might have made the dynamics of his joining the HEAT a little different. It is widely known he gave up a little Salary to go to Miami instead of Cleveland, but it was probably the difference between $15 Million and $14 Million - so he didn't care because his salary was being artificially capped anyway and it's a drop in the bucket compared to Nike $$$. What if there was a bidding war, and teams with no other super-stars (like Cleveland) were able to offer him like $50 Million. Probably would have made "the decision" a little different.

[altalias]

With apology to Hall of famer Warren Sapp. He makes a king's ransom to play a child's game and he's unhappy? If there were no cap there might be six teams a lot less tv money and he might make less not more.

[FearNoSpear]

They make more than enough with endorsements, etc. How much do they NEED???????

Hell, young kids, cnnot begin to afford to ever see them play.

Besides my point is, think before one speaks. A lot of folk in this country are having tough times. He isn't.........

How much does he need? Whatever he can earn. Young kids should look up to this. Work your tail off in your field and maximize your earnings.