I'm Calling BS on Hugh Freeze

[ArtDeco]

This sudden shift in top recruits considering Ole Miss is an obvious example of suspicious recruiting. I grew up an Ole Miss fan and still follow them closely. Even under the great USC recruiter Orgeron (remember, the only reason he was hired was his recruiting prowess), Ole Miss never had a class remotely similar to this. Remember, previous coaches like Tuberville, Orgeron, Cutcliffe, and Nutt were hoping simply to "build a fence" around Memphis. Now, they are poaching from every major football state in the Union.
When I was younger, Billy Brewer got fired after getting a very severe probation for, among other things, giving truck tires to a recruit I knew. The guy never panned out.
Those teams were lucky to go 6-5, the rare 9-3 year. So it's not like they got probation for pulling in top recruits.
I assure you it's not the allure of a new head coach who's previous experience was small-town Arkansas college sports and high school football that's drawing these kids in. It's also not truck tires this time. If the NCAA isn't already investigating this, there's really no reason to even have an NCAA.

[Lawdog88]

Well . . . whut cud it possibly b ? :huh:

[Zanso]

Nkemdiche, I understand (family)
Treadwell, I understand (family/friends)
Tunsil, I don't understand.

If 2/3 were shady, I would agree with you. I personally would not feel comfortable around the entire "the south will rise again" shit that you hear at Oxford so I don't know what the appeal is for Tunsil.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

There may not be anything to it at all, considering the family relationships with Nkemdiche and Treadwell. Tunsil, I agree...very, very strange.

I would say this. One year, ok, I get it. 2 of the top recruits are fluky. My only concern is, I'm not sure how you "investigate" something like this without probable cause.

Please don't misunderstand, I am in agreement with you that there certainly seems to be something bigger going on. I guess I'm just not sure how we can have any confidence in the NCAA when they can't even nail Miami to the wall.

[qwghlmgator]

Ole Miss landing top recruits makes more sense than Climpson landing top recruits.

[ArtDeco]

If we're lucky, Mullen's right there 90 minutes away and hopefully on the phone right now to the NCAA. He's the one who's really got to be livid. His team is the one directly affected.

[nwflgator_58]

[QUOTE=Zanso;6379584]Nkemdiche, I understand (family)
Treadwell, I understand (family/friends)
Tunsil, I don't understand.

Tunsil isn't the only other one. I've heard Golson and Chris Jones, as well as others may be going there. Something is definitely going on. They might be able to promise playing time, but that's it. They have never won championships of any kind(except the Egg Bowl), and they never will.

[ametcalf]

[QUOTE=Zanso;6379584]Nkemdiche, I understand (family)
Treadwell, I understand (family/friends)
Tunsil, I don't understand.

Tunsil isn't the only other one. I've heard Golson and Chris Jones, as well as others may be going there. Something is definitely going on. They might be able to promise playing time, but that's it. They have never won championships of any kind(except the Egg Bowl), and they never will.

..but if they keep pulling classes in like this one then you could see a different story in the future. I've been to Oxford...and I've wondered what the allure is. There are a lot of pretty girls...that's for sure!! Outside of that...there's really not much.

[RepubliGator84]

I'm a skeptic and think there are no such things as clean programs, but some more than others, but things just seem to be lining up right for the Rebs this year

[G8R92]

If 2/3 were shady, I would agree with you. I personally would not feel comfortable around the entire "the south will rise again" shit that you hear at Oxford so I don't know what the appeal is for Tunsil.

Who knows, maybe that is the appeal for him....

[ArtDeco]

As an Ole Miss fan, I have always understood growing up that the Ole Miss name, symbolism, home state, and flags would cost us in recruiting. With issues as destructive as negative recruiting, bad race relations, and symbolism harkening back to slavery, you're telling me a white high school coach from Memphis all of a sudden overcame this in less than a year when it took 50 years to get to the point of successfully recruiting average black athletes?

[GATORAZ]

Why are you scared of Ole Miss? Who are they cheating to get? GET OVER IT

They got Tunsil on campus. When he got there he realized wow they are bringing in a lot of good players. Another rumor is that he liked the party scene in Oxford more than Athens. We all know that Ole Miss' greatest asset is their women.

Ole Miss got a few kids with great ties to the school, some Mississippi kids and some JUCO's which they always get.

They did a great job of getting kids on campus

[Gator_in_TX]

I think it's not a bad thing. Let them get some good players and disrupt the balance of power in the west. I would rather them going to Ole Miss than Alabama.

[phideltdj]

UF has struggled with Ole Miss in the past even when we have overwhelming talent. With them rotating back on the schedule soon that is why there is concern.

[ETGator1]

Tunsil at Ole Miss is better than UGALY or bama. It's time for bama to get its you know what knocked in the dirt.

[GATORAZ]

UF has struggled with Ole Miss in the past even when we have overwhelming talent. With them rotating back on the schedule soon that is why there is concern.

What do those teams of the past have to do with Ole Miss future teams?:bored:

[lurkingator1]

Tunsil is not going to Ole Miss ! UGA is my bet

[Gatorrick22]

..but if they keep pulling classes in like this one then you could see a different story in the future. I've been to Oxford...and I've wondered what the allure is. There are a lot of pretty girls...that's for sure!! Outside of that...there's really not much.



Pulling classes is one thing that happens every once in a while, but that crap school is up to something...... No way top recruits would chose that hole over the best schools in the nation.

I'll bet real money.... that head coach/staff/alumni et al are up to something.

[rserina]

What do those teams of the past have to do with Ole Miss future teams?:bored:
Or with out future teams.

[Ahab]

As far as I can tell, everyone in the SEC West cheats like a sumnabitch. I'm perfectly happy with Ole Miss stealing recruits from Bama and LSU so they don't end up with stacked teams.

[bmfgator]

Hugh following the Dabo school of payin er eh recruiting!

[bigpoppa]

Tunsil is going to Ga.

[Gatorrick22]

Tunsil is going to Ga.

Tunsil is going to...............be Gator Bait!

[stomp_and_chomp]

I'm personally happy about Tunsil's decision... I may be the only one... lol.

Tunsil isn't going to UGA, FSU or Bama. So why should we care??

Ole Miss, besides this sudden recruitment splurt, is like what?? The 5th best SEC West team???

If all these recruits were going to Bama, then I'd be worried, because ultimately we'd have to play them in the SEC Championship.

Ole Miss getting more recruits means more competition for teams in the West. I, for one, would like to see Bama and LSU worry about another team in the West besides each other.

[GATORAZ]

Freeze twitter


Hugh Freeze ‏@CoachHughFreeze
If you have facts about a violation, send it to compliance@olemiss.edu. If not, please do not slander these young men or insult their family

[nwflgator_58]

Freeze twitter


Hugh Freeze ‏@CoachHughFreeze
If you have facts about a violation, send it to compliance@olemiss.edu. If not, please do not slander these young men or insult their family

I don't think anyone is slandering any recruits, just questioning how a bottom-dwelling SEC team is attracting more 5-star recruits than have ever even attended there. Eli Manning may be the only one they ever had. I'm sure there are others that had grade issues. Nothing against Freeze, but they have had bigger name coaches than him that failed.

[TheRaid]

Y'all sound like a bunch of Kansas Jayhawk and NC Tar Heel fans when some unknown small time basketball coach from Marshall came to no name nobody basketball program in Gainesville and brought in super recruits.

[Gatuar]

Hugh can cheat but I think he's making it too blatant....

[delioj]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachHughFreeze/status/297473066223673345

Check out this tweet from freeze in response to his recruiting tactics

[G8torsRUL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachHughFreeze/status/297473066223673345

Check out this tweet from freeze in response to his recruiting tactics

An "I got your back" statement maybe?

[ovillegator]

I'm personally happy about Tunsil's decision... I may be the only one... lol.

Tunsil isn't going to UGA, FSU or Bama. So why should we care??

Ole Miss, besides this sudden recruitment splurt, is like what?? The 5th best SEC West team???

If all these recruits were going to Bama, then I'd be worried, because ultimately we'd have to play them in the SEC Championship.

Ole Miss getting more recruits means more competition for teams in the West. I, for one, would like to see Bama and LSU worry about another team in the West besides each other.

Good point. Would like to see Bama beat up a little after a few of their wins, instead of cruising through their division.

[atlantagator86]

I won't make accusations, but I will say that any time a historically mediocre program, who has little to sell, who's never had a history of bringing in 5-star recruits, suddenly starts to turn guys who were barely even on the radar, with no clear reason, something is almost always up.

Memphis in basketball, Oregon in football now, UNC in football under Davis and yes, even UF in the early 80s.

Ole Miss was the #40 overall class last year on Rivals with an average 2.95 star rating. Suddenly, they're the #11 class with a 3.39 average star rating. An almost half-star average rating increase is unheard of, especially for a team that went 6-6 with a somewhat unproven head coach.

Either Freeze is by far the best recruiter in college football or something is up.

[Gatorrick22]

Freeze twitter


Hugh Freeze ‏@CoachHughFreeze
If you have facts about a violation, send it to compliance@olemiss.edu. If not, please do not slander these young men or insult their family

SCREW HIM! I guarantee you he wont put his pay-check where his mouth is on this. Coaches that violate (not saying he has violated anything) should all be fined their entire last year's pay-check along with the other violations any other coach in question might commit.

I'm not saying that he (HF) has done anything wrong, but coaches, all coaches that have dirty programs and get caught should pay fines with their own money.

[GATORAZ]

Hugh can cheat but I think he's making it too blatant....

who is he cheating to get?

[GATORAZ]

I won't make accusations, but I will say that any time a historically mediocre program, who has little to sell, who's never had a history of bringing in 5-star recruits, suddenly starts to turn guys who were barely even on the radar, with no clear reason, something is almost always up.

Memphis in basketball, Oregon in football now, UNC in football under Davis and yes, even UF in the early 80s.

Ole Miss was the #40 overall class last year on Rivals with an average 2.95 star rating. Suddenly, they're the #11 class with a 3.39 average star rating. An almost half-star average rating increase is unheard of, especially for a team that went 6-6 with a somewhat unproven head coach.

Either Freeze is by far the best recruiter in college football or something is up.

I am not saying they arent cheating because most programs are doing something illegal. But when you actually step back and look at their class who did they cheat to get? Almost every big name recruit they have got has a big connection to the program

[GATORAZ]

Y'all sound like a bunch of Kansas Jayhawk and NC Tar Heel fans when some unknown small time basketball coach from Marshall came to no name nobody basketball program in Gainesville and brought in super recruits.

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

[phideltdj]

What do those teams of the past have to do with Ole Miss future teams?:bored:

I guess you are completely discounting the intangibles or psyche that has an effect on organizations or teams. It can have a hugh impact...just ask the Dawgs with UF and Spurrier's run. Sometimes history can be a huge factor on future teams even if the players are completely new. Until UF won in Starkeville last in 2009 it had been over 20 years since we beat them in Starkeville and I think it would be fair to say that we probably had the better team each time we played. Do you think when the Cubs fell apart against the Marlins so close to the World Series that their fragile psyche due to an organizations struggling for so many years did not play apart in their demise? Look how long it took the Red Sox to overcome the Yankees....the sports psyche can be fragile and difficult to put back together.

[dalwood13]

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

Cheating to get who? Who with any credibility is saying this? Don't you dare point a finger at Donovan to make your point about some unfounded opinion by some random people on a message board. This would be a reprimand worthy post if I was a moderator.

[GATORAZ]

Cheating to get who? Who with any credibility is saying this? Don't you dare point a finger at Donovan to make your point about some unfounded opinion by some random people on a message board. This would be a reprimand worthy post if I was a moderator.

I didn't say he was cheating. People have said it in the past. People have also said he is great at bending the rules. Who with credibility is saying Freeze is cheating? The whole point is people are making baseless claims.

[GATORAZ]

I guess you are completely discounting the intangibles or psyche that has an effect on organizations or teams. It can have a hugh impact...just ask the Dawgs with UF and Spurrier's run. Sometimes history can be a huge factor on future teams even if the players are completely new. Until UF won in Starkeville last in 2009 it had been over 20 years since we beat them in Starkeville and I think it would be fair to say that we probably had the better team each time we played. Do you think when the Cubs fell apart against the Marlins so close to the World Series that their fragile psyche due to an organizations struggling for so many years did not play apart in their demise? Look how long it took the Red Sox to overcome the Yankees....the sports psyche can be fragile and difficult to put back together.

I think those stats are total BS. Both Florida and Ole miss are run by different people now and none of the players are the same.

[stomp_and_chomp]

I won't make accusations, but I will say that any time a historically mediocre program, who has little to sell, who's never had a history of bringing in 5-star recruits, suddenly starts to turn guys who were barely even on the radar, with no clear reason, something is almost always up.

Not so fast. Ole Miss has averaged at least 1 5* recruit every 2 years... some years back to back. So there is a history of them pulling big names from their region... And besides Treadwell is their only committed 5*.

[GATORAZ]

Let actually look at the kids Ole miss is going to bring in. First you have to remember they played well last year. With momentum on the recruiting trail they will probably bring in more kids.

Robert Nkemdiche- brother starts for Ole Miss
Lavon Hooks- couldn’t get into Auburn because of a class went to JUCO in Mississippi
Elijah Daniel- grades couldn’t get into Florida
Laquon Treadwell- best friend goes to Ole miss
Nickolas Brassell- JUCO in Mississippi
Kailo Moore- from Mississippi
Jarran Reed- JUCO in Mississippi
Mark Dodson- from Memphis Ole Miss always done well there
Eugene Brazley- New Orleans no LSU offer
Peyton Barber- from Georgia no UGA offer is looking around
Devante Kincade- from Texas no Texas school offered
Ryan Buchanan- has building named after his family
Christian Morgan- didn’t get a Texas offer Ole miss closer to home than FSU sister has a volleyball offer
Quadarias Mireles- Mississippi JUCO

Other kids they might go to Ole Miss

Tony Conner- is from Mississippi and almost every kid from his high school goes to Ole Miss
Chris Jones- is from Mississippi
Arshad Jackson- from Georgia never got a UGA offer
David Kamara- Nkemdiche’s best friend
Austin Golson- was never a real priority for Bama or Auburn
Tunsil- they recruited him hard he got on campus and saw that Ole Miss was bring in a great class and rumored to enjoy the night life

[dalwood13]

I didn't say he was cheating. People have said it in the past. People have also said he is great at bending the rules. Who with credibility is saying Freeze is cheating? The whole point is people are making baseless claims.

I'm not saying it isn't baseless, but you don't need to use our basketball coach as a way to make your point. It implies that you have a similar baseless claim to make against him.

[nwflgator_58]

If he gets Nkemdiche, Treadwell, and maybe Tunsil, with a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits, we can probably say that there were circumstances that caused them to go there. But, if Golson left FSU and goes there, and Jones leaves MSU to sign there, with some others, I will still say that something isn't right.

And, don't get me wrong, I will be glad they are there, instead of at Bama, UGA, or FSU.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Not so fast. Ole Miss has averaged at least 1 5* recruit every 2 years... some years back to back. So there is a history of them pulling big names from their region... And besides Treadwell is their only committed 5*.

I watched Ole Miss play Georgia, and was amazed at the creativity the Rebels showed on offense. Ask yourself this: who else-besides Auburn-is running anything like that in the SEC, and is playing at a high level? And, if I were a receiver who wanted to play in an offense like that, in a conference generally regarded as the best in the country, I'd be more inclined to sign with Ole Miss than Auburn-or anyone else, for that matter. I like the direction Ole Miss is headed in, and think Malzahn has a lot to prove. The rest of the SEC elites have followed Saban's tracks, and are now trying to win with a physical, prostyle brand of football.

Plus, Freeze is a solid recruiter. That's just how it is. You can call that ignorance. You can label it being naive. I just don't think there is any evidence to justify the claims of funny business going on over there. If you want to take a look at what the Rebels are doing, than we have to be fair. I'd be interested in what a deeper look at every winning SEC program would reveal.

[stomp_and_chomp]

I'm not saying it isn't baseless, but you don't need to use our basketball coach as a way to make your point. It implies that you have a similar baseless claim to make against him.

It sounded more like comparison based off of a situation. I don't think he was accusing Donovan of anything. lol.

[GATORAZ]

If he gets Nkemdiche, Treadwell, and maybe Tunsil, with a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits, we can probably say that there were circumstances that caused them to go there. But, if Golson left FSU and goes there, and Jones leaves MSU to sign there, with some others, I will still say that something isn't right.

And, don't get me wrong, I will be glad they are there, instead of at Bama, UGA, or FSU.

Why would Golson and Chris Jones mean something isn't right? Golson main recruiter left FSU plus who wants to play for Trickett? Jones is from Mississippi

[atlantagator86]

I am not saying they arent cheating because most programs are doing something illegal. But when you actually step back and look at their class who did they cheat to get? Almost every big name recruit they have got has a big connection to the program

I get what your saying, but I'm still not buying.

I definitely understand Nkemdiche picking Ole Miss with his brother being there. That was no surprise. Treadwell and Tunsil on the other hand are very suspect.

Players just don't typically focus almost entirely on top elite schools like UGA, OU, Michigan and Bama, and then for no apparent reason, commit to a mediocre school like Ole Miss. That rarely ever happens with an elite player, unless they're dropped by those elite schools or there are grade issues ... or something fishy is going on.

Tunsil was pretty much UGA and Bama and just going to check out Ole Miss. I don't buy that he just fell in love with Oxford overnight.

And as for Treadwell, I just don't buy that he chose to go across country to Ole Miss just to play with a former teammate. I might understand if they were best friends but I don't get the feeling they were that close. I know they tripped to Michigan together when Standifer almost committed to Michigan and they talked about maybe playing together but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly close friends. And then of course there's Treadwell's Twitter photos that speak for themselves.

But this goes above and beyond just those 3. Last year Ole Miss had only 2 4-stars, 14 3-stars and 3 2-stars. This year, assuming they get Nkemdiche, they will have at least 2 5-stars, 7 4-stars, 15 3-stars and 0 2-stars. A change like that from a 6-6 team is unheard of!

[nwflgator_58]

Why would Golson and Chris Jones mean something isn't right? Golson main recruiter left FSU plus who wants to play for Trickett? Jones is from Mississippi

Golson may have gone somewhere, but I doubt OM was in the picture for long. And, Jones was supposedly solid before visiting OM.

[GATORAZ]

Golson may have gone somewhere, but I doubt OM was in the picture for long. And, Jones was supposedly solid before visiting OM.

Where was he going to go? Jones has two choices Miss State or Ole Miss he is like Brantley his family is not letting him leave the state.

[GATORAZ]

I get what your saying, but I'm still not buying.

I definitely understand Nkemdiche picking Ole Miss with his brother being there. That was no surprise. Treadwell and Tunsil on the other hand are very suspect.

Players just don't typically focus almost entirely on top elite schools like UGA, OU, Michigan and Bama, and then for no apparent reason, commit to a mediocre school like Ole Miss. That rarely ever happens with an elite player, unless they're dropped by those elite schools or there are grade issues ... or something fishy is going on.

Tunsil was pretty much UGA and Bama and just going to check out Ole Miss. I don't buy that he just fell in love with Oxford overnight.

And as for Treadwell, I just don't buy that he chose to go across country to Ole Miss just to play with a former teammate. I might understand if they were best friends but I don't get the feeling they were that close. I know they tripped to Michigan together when Standifer almost committed to Michigan and they talked about maybe playing together but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly close friends. And then of course there's Treadwell's Twitter photos that speak for themselves.

But this goes above and beyond just those 3. Last year Ole Miss had only 2 4-stars, 14 3-stars and 3 2-stars. This year, assuming they get Nkemdiche, they will have at least 2 5-stars, 7 4-stars, 15 3-stars and 0 2-stars. A change like that from a 6-6 team is unheard of!
So you get Treawell and Standifer are friends and that Treadwell went multiple times to visit and liked the school, but you dont understand why he would go there?

The photos of a small amount of cash mean nothing. Kids do that all the time on social networks. I guess the random 12 year old on twitter in Atlanta is getting paid a few hundred bucks by Ole Miss

Basically we are talking about 1 kid Tunsil, who hasn't even committed there yet

[GATORAZ]

like stomp I love that Tunsil is probably going to Ole Miss. I think he has a ton of talent and I did not want him playing fo UGA.

[phideltdj]

I think those stats are total BS. Both Florida and Ole miss are run by different people now and none of the players are the same.

Then you are a young Gator because the last time UF won in Starkeville before 2009 was 1985.

the last time the Gators won at Mississippi State (a 36-22 win in 1985).




Among those bad visits:


_ In 1992, 13th-rated UF lost 30-6 to No. 24 Mississippi State in Starkville.


_ In 2000, the 3rd ranked Gators fell 47-35 to unranked MSU.


_ In 2004, the unranked Bulldogs beat No. 19 Florida 38-31 and Ron Zook was fired soon after.

and guess what those are all completely different teams with different players all higher ranked Gator teams than MSU. So there are your facts..not BS.

[GATORAZ]

Then you are a young Gator because the last time UF won in Starkeville before 2009 was 1985.

the last time the Gators won at Mississippi State (a 36-22 win in 1985).


Among those bad visits:


_ In 1992, 13th-rated UF lost 30-6 to No. 24 Mississippi State in Starkville.


_ In 2000, the 3rd ranked Gators fell 47-35 to unranked MSU.


_ In 2004, the unranked Bulldogs beat No. 19 Florida 38-31 and Ron Zook was fired soon after.

and guess what those are all completely different teams with different players all higher ranked Gator teams than MSU. So there are your facts..not BS.
Each team is different I am not a superstitious person I live in the real world. Those stats are worthless.

[GatorAvatar]

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

We haven't signed the #1 overall player in years.

[GATORAZ]

We haven't signed the #1 overall player in years.
this is what I quoted when I made that comment.

Y'all sound like a bunch of Kansas Jayhawk and NC Tar Heel fans when some unknown small time basketball coach from Marshall came to no name nobody basketball program in Gainesville and brought in super recruits.

[dalwood13]

It sounded more like comparison based off of a situation. I don't think he was accusing Donovan of anything. lol.

I just think its poor form to bring his name into the thread saying:



A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

If this was said about Muschamp, people would call the poster out, as they should.

[GATORAZ]

dalwood would you like to keep talking about it or drop it? which one is it?

[wci347]

Ole Miss is in the SEC. They are attractive for that reason alone. When you couple landing the #1 player in HS, that creates super momentum.

[atlantagator86]

So you get Treawell and Standifer are friends and that Treadwell went multiple times to visit and liked the school, but you dont understand why he would go there?

The photos of a small amount of cash mean nothing. Kids do that all the time on social networks.

I think they're probably friends but not close enough, from what I've read, to think that Treadwell would go across the country, to a second tier school that he has no real logical ties, just to play with him. You may believe that but I don't.

No 2 kids are exactly alike and they all have their reasons for the choices they make. But usually for a kid to go that far away from home, there is a logical strong pull. Sometimes thinking you'll compete for the NC, playing for a legendary program (like OU, Michigan, UF, USC or Notre Dame), or maybe academics (believe it or not some kids actually care), or a family tie, or to play with a coach they have a particularly strong bond with. I haven't really heard Treadwell give a strong answer of why he chose Ole Miss.

It's one thing for a school like Ole Miss to bring in highly rates kids from in-state or adjacent states, but they don't usually get those kids from outside. You have to go back to the 2010 class to find a signee above 3-stars Ole Miss signed from a non-adjacent state and that was Delvin Jones from Miami. And as far back as I can see on Rivals, Ole Miss has not signed a single 5-star kid since at least 2002 that was not either from MS or a JUCO. Not a single one in the previous 11 classes!

So all of a sudden this year, they get 5-stars Treadwell (nation's top WR from IL), almost surely get Nkemdiche (nation's top DE from GA), possibly Tunsil (nations top OL from FL), plus 4-stars Daniel from IN and Adeboyejo from TX. And none of this has you thinking that statistically, what are the odds?!?!

[GatorAvatar]

Freeze is cheating one way or the other. No rectruit has ever chose a school because of its hot babe population.

[Noahtogo24]

Cheating to get who? Who with any credibility is saying this? Don't you dare point a finger at Donovan to make your point about some unfounded opinion by some random people on a message board. This would be a reprimand worthy post if I was a moderator.

Dalwood hee is telling the truth. When Coach Donovan first started to get the top talent, like Mike Miller, other coaches started to complain with one notable being Roy Williams.

Here is a link-http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1645672

[atlantagator86]

Not so fast. Ole Miss has averaged at least 1 5* recruit every 2 years... some years back to back. So there is a history of them pulling big names from their region... And besides Treadwell is their only committed 5*.

Probably safe to count Nkemdiche and probably 50-50% on Tunsil, maybe higher.

As for their history, if you go back to at least 2002, the earliest year Rivals still tracks, Ole Miss has not signed a single non-JUCO 5-star from outside the state of Mississippi. Not one.

[GATORAZ]

Probably safe to count Nkemdiche and probably 50-50% on Tunsil, maybe higher.

As for their history, if you go back to at least 2002, the earliest year Rivals still tracks, Ole Miss has not signed a single non-JUCO 5-star from outside the state of Mississippi. Not one.

They love their JUCO's. I would say its 95 percent they are getting Robert and 85 percent they are getting Tunsil. UGA is offering other OL prospects today.

[Tebowism0823]

dalwood would you like to keep talking about it or drop it? which one is it?

Back peddle much?

[Tebowism0823]

It's easy to see something is not quite right in Ole Miss land. If it was easy to prove you'd have a lot more programs on probation. No matter how much one try's to deny, any rational person can see it.

[raquetclub]

UF has struggled with Ole Miss in the past even when we have overwhelming talent. With them rotating back on the schedule soon that is why there is concern.

If Ole Miss is ranked then our players will approach that game definitely.

[bearshark]

Ole Piss = Clipsom

[gatorr4life]

Gatoraz, can I ask how old you are? Truthfully.... Just curious.

[demosthenes]

I'm not saying it isn't baseless, but you don't need to use our basketball coach as a way to make your point. It implies that you have a similar baseless claim to make against him.

OMG. Step away from the keyboard. I can't believe how hypersensitive you are.

[Tebowism0823]

OMG. Step away from the keyboard. I can't believe how hypersensitive you are.

He did have a pretty valid point though.

[demosthenes]

Back peddle much?

You have an absurd fascination with GATORAZ.

[GATORAZ]

Gatoraz, can I ask how old you are? Truthfully.... Just curious.

You can ask but I am not going to answer any personal questions. Why would you even care?

[GATORAZ]

You have an absurd fascination with GATORAZ.

its creepy I had to put him on ignore I cant see what he says unless someone quotes him

[demosthenes]

He did have a pretty valid point though.

No, he didn't. There were nationally published articles on the subject and a hall of fame basketball coach that was miffed over it (including his protege who coached USC). Roy Williams' hissy fit was widely known and is the reason he's so despised by Gator fans. So no, he didn't have a good point.

[Tebowism0823]

You have an absurd fascination with GATORAZ.

Maybe the same could be said about you. He acts like a know it all and then when one questions him he try's and belittle them. He can't handle somebody disagreeing so he puts them on the ignore list like a coward. Feel free to follow like a sheep.

[Tebowism0823]

No, he didn't. There were nationally published articles on the subject and a hall of fame basketball coach that was miffed over it (including his protege who coached USC). Roy Williams' hissy fit was widely known and is the reason he's so despised by Gator fans. So no, he didn't have a good point.

Actually he did. Billy D had nothing to do with this convo. Just because you feel the need to coddle GatorAz doesn't mean it's not valid. I also don't need to be educated about eh subject, however there is a basketball forum for that.

[demosthenes]

Maybe the same could be said about you. He acts like a know it all and then when one questions him he try's and belittle them. He can't handle somebody disagreeing so he puts them on the ignore list like a coward. Feel free to follow like a sheep.

Some people use the ignore feature, others just resort to name calling...whatever. I was just making an observation.

[Tebowism0823]

Some people use the ignore feature, others just resort to name calling...whatever. I was just making an observation.

And I get that but anybody outside of the recruiting forum, and even inside, will tell you how he is. I realize I get excited sometimes but I don't act like an ass just do so like he does.

[GATORAZ]

lol at Tebowism is mad daddy is not spending time with him. Tebowism0823 you have been on ignore for awhile now it didn't start today but continue to post your little rants.

[Tebowism0823]

^^^My point exactly. He's a coward. Hides behind the ignore feature and still throws jabs without manning up to face them. I bet I can guess his age real quick.

[GATORAZ]

all I see
Tebowism0823
This message is hidden because Tebowism0823 is on your ignore list.

[demosthenes]

Well that's not going to help either. You two clearly have a personality conflict. Maybe Tebowism needs to put Gatoraz on ignore and then no more problems...

[Tebowism0823]

I rest my case...

[GATORAZ]

Well that's not going to help either. You two clearly have a personality conflict. Maybe Tebowism needs to put Gatoraz on ignore and then no more problems...

He cant do that he lives for my post. We are talking about someone that was literally making comments on almost all of my post for like 2 weeks

[Tebowism0823]

Well that's not going to help either. You two clearly have a personality conflict. Maybe Tebowism needs to put Gatoraz on ignore and then no more problems...

You're probably right. His post above is hilarious. He considers any thread he comments on as his posts. I guess he expects the thread to end once he speaks.

[jhbyrd]

They might be able to promise playing time, but that's it.

Playing time is a big factor for Tunsil. Tunsil didn't like UF bringing in Trenton Brown who Tunsil met in person and who is bigger than Tunsil is.


Tunsil and golson could get SEC playing time immediately at Ole miss. Playing time is big to many recruits and with the top players with family ties going to Ole Miss it helps build class momentum. Some say Tunsil is over ranked.

[Gatorrick22]

You're probably right. His post above is hilarious. He considers any thread he comments on as his posts. I guess he expects the thread to end once he speaks.

:laugh::laugh::yes:

[thedyc09]

This is definitely an outlier year for Ole Miss (don't expect a repeat next year). Still, Robert N. and Treadwell are both extraordinary circumstances. You throw them out and no one is shocked at all by their class, except Tunsil which makes no sense to me whatsoever. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some financial transactions going on just to make sure the Nkemdiche and Treadwell families feel appreciated for what they're doing for the school. I think that's just the way all college recruiting goes.

[Colin]

Well I hope there are no violations, because I like the fact that Ole Miss will improve. More, better teams in the SEC is great for the fans. Also good to ensure that the West is not top heavy.

[AFCyberGator]

Sometimes you get lucky. Ole Miss happened to have good leverage to get more stars than in years past. We can only hope they chip away at Bama, aTm, and the newly clean Auburn.

[GATORAZ]

John Talty ‏@JTalty
Houston DE Chris Jones visited Ole Miss campus Friday night. Told me Tues it was a possibility. Meant to show mom Ole Miss campus.

[Noahtogo24]

Plus Ole Miss has had plenty of luck too. Does Robert N. go to Ole Miss if his brother is not there? Does Treadwell still go to Ole Miss if his friend from high school didn't go there? Sometimes it's just about connections.

[GATORAZ]

Plus Ole Miss has had plenty of luck too. Does Robert N. go to Ole Miss if his brother is not there? Does Treadwell still go to Ole Miss if his friend from high school didn't go there? Sometimes it's just about connections.

They would have never stepped foot on campus

[atlantagator86]

Tebowism0823 and Others: There's no reason for you guys to be name calling and trying to discredit GATORAZ. If you don't like him or what he says, just ignore him. It doesn't make you look any smarter or better to try to make somebody else look bad.

GATORAZ: If you don't want to lose what credibility you've established, you need to take the high road. It really makes you look a little petty when you get sucked into these pissing matches. I for one appreciate the recruiting info you post. I may not always agree with it, but I do appreciate it.

[GatorAvatar]

Tebowism0823 and Others: There's no reason for you guys to be name calling and trying to discredit GATORAZ. If you don't like him or what he says, just ignore him. It doesn't make you look any smarter or better to try to make somebody else look bad.

GATORAZ: If you don't want to lose what credibility you've established, you need to take the high road. It really makes you look a little petty when you get sucked into these pissing matches. I for one appreciate the recruiting info you post. I may not always agree with it, but I do appreciate it.

This place needs some drama...a little innocent back and forth sniping between posters ain't that bad :grin:

[SECund2nun]

The entire SEC West cheats. Miss is definetely clem$oning it up. I encourage it because more talent for them means less talent for LSU and Bama.

[gator7_5]

Tebowism0823 and Others: There's no reason for you guys to be name calling and trying to discredit GATORAZ. If you don't like him or what he says, just ignore him. It doesn't make you look any smarter or better to try to make somebody else look bad.

GATORAZ: If you don't want to lose what credibility you've established, you need to take the high road. It really makes you look a little petty when you get sucked into these pissing matches. I for one appreciate the recruiting info you post. I may not always agree with it, but I do appreciate it.
+ 1. Take this advice.

[Tebowism0823]

Tebowism0823 and Others: There's no reason for you guys to be name calling and trying to discredit GATORAZ. If you don't like him or what he says, just ignore him. It doesn't make you look any smarter or better to try to make somebody else look bad.

GATORAZ: If you don't want to lose what credibility you've established, you need to take the high road. It really makes you look a little petty when you get sucked into these pissing matches. I for one appreciate the recruiting info you post. I may not always agree with it, but I do appreciate it.

If its dished I'll dish it back. Plain and simple. Has nothing to do with discrediting him. I didn't mind him at first but I've stated the issue now. I'm not going to keep discussing it.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Tebowism0823 and Others: There's no reason for you guys to be name calling and trying to discredit GATORAZ. If you don't like him or what he says, just ignore him. It doesn't make you look any smarter or better to try to make somebody else look bad.

GATORAZ: If you don't want to lose what credibility you've established, you need to take the high road. It really makes you look a little petty when you get sucked into these pissing matches. I for one appreciate the recruiting info you post. I may not always agree with it, but I do appreciate it.

So, what words of wisdom do you have for me?

[Tebowism0823]

So, what words of wisdom do you have for me?

Don't eat the yellow snow

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Don't eat the yellow snow

Oh, but I always do that. Is there something wrong with that?

[Tebowism0823]

Oh, but I always do that. Is there something wrong with that?

I guess it's better then the brown :)

[GATORAZ]

Hugh Kellenberger ‏@HKellenbergerCL
Jordan Wilkins, a four-star RB, has committed to Ole Miss, per reports. What does that mean for OM's RB situation?



Ole Miss commit Barber is visiting Auburn and probably going to flip

[your_perfect_enemy]

Anyone else just catch during the bball when they made the exact same Billy D/hugh freeze comparison? Perfectly apt and not the least bit insinuating/disparaging comparison for gatoraz to make.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Anyone else just catch during the bball when they made the exact same Billy D/hugh freeze comparison? Perfectly apt and not the least bit insinuating/disparaging comparison for gatoraz to make.

I think I was the first to make that comparison. :tongue:

In the last Ole Miss thread we had....

[your_perfect_enemy]

I think I was the first to make that comparison. :tongue:

In the last Ole Miss thread we had....

You may have been. I only pointed to him because he got blasted in this thread for no reason in this thread

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Yup, on the 26th of January I was the first to compare their situations. Page one of last thread of complaints about Ole Miss recruiting.

What's my prize, Ray?

[nastyreptile]

Yup, on the 26th of January I was the first to compare their situations. Page one of last thread of complaints about Ole Miss recruiting.

What's my prize, Ray?


You lose 5 reps for patting yourself on the back....:sad:

[Tebowism0823]

You may have been. I only pointed to him because he got blasted in this thread for no reason in this thread

Post history is the reason, not necessarily that post in general. No biggie though.

[dadx4]

Now Ole Miss coach has responded to apparantly many allegation of something fishy going on there with recruiting. He says basically "Bring it on"

[eastowest]

1963[50 yrs] since they last won the SEC Crown:whoa:

[cocodrilo]

It's the girls at Mississippi A&M.

[bantab]

Each team is different I am not a superstitious person I live in the real world. Those stats are worthless.

It's not superstition, it's cowbells. There's a definite home field advantage for MSU, especially if you play there infrequently.

[Gatorphenom]

lol at Tebowism is mad daddy is not spending time with him.

Who says stuff like this???......you are a child.

Gatoraz, can I ask how old you are? Truthfully.... Just curious.

Best guess.....not even 18 yet.

[bantab]

Anyone else just catch during the bball when they made the exact same Billy D/hugh freeze comparison? Perfectly apt and not the least bit insinuating/disparaging comparison for gatoraz to make.

In 1996, when Billy Donovan took over the Florida program, our football team was bringing in money to our athletic department by the bucketfuls. The only thing that was surprising was that we *hadn't* been more successful earlier, just like it was more surprising that with the mid-century population boom, the University of Florida's football teams weren't more successful earlier.

Ole Miss has had no structural change that would logically lead to their success. There is no wave of new money that has lead to better facilities, better recruiting resources, and better support staff. It's just a new coach.

I do not think the comparison is apt.

[gatorjlm]

In 1996, when Billy Donovan took over the Florida program, our football team was bringing in money to our athletic department by the bucketfuls. The only thing that was surprising was that we *hadn't* been more successful earlier, just like it was more surprising that with the mid-century population boom, the University of Florida's football teams weren't more successful earlier.

Ole Miss has had no structural change that would logically lead to their success. There is no wave of new money that has lead to better facilities, better recruiting resources, and better support staff. It's just a new coach.

I do not think the comparison is apt.

Well at least one change...

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=255637


nothing to see here....move along

[Gatorrick22]

Who says stuff like this???......you are a child.



Best guess.....not even 18 yet.

:laugh::laugh:

[Tebowism0823]

Who says stuff like this???......you are a child.

Best guess.....not even 18 yet.

Its cool. He has me on the ignore list. It's like one of those kids who talks big when mom's holding his hand because he feels safe. As far as his age goes, i'm sure he's above the age of 18 legally that is. Upstairs age is a different story.

[cudigator]

Its cool. He has me on the ignore list. It's like one of those kids who talks big when mom's holding his hand because he feels safe. As far as his age goes, i'm sure he's above the age of 18 legally that is. Upstairs age is a different story.

Can you guys seriously stop this crap until after signing day lol

[Tebowism0823]

Can you guys seriously stop this crap until after signing day lol

We are the entertainment that's supposed to help you make it to signing day :)

[elrongator]

Our sight isn't the only one calling Freeze out at Ole Miss.
Their success with top notch recruits, regardless of their connections to the school, has everyone scratching their heads.
There is absolutley no way "the grove" is suddenly so awesome as a campus attraction that studs are lining up left and right to play for this perennial door mat of a program.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's almost always a duck.
This haul, if it pans out, will be worthy of suspicion in my opinion.

[gatorjlm]

Our sight isn't the only one calling Freeze out at Ole Miss.
Their success with top notch recruits, regardless of their connections to the school, has everyone scratching their heads.
There is absolutley no way "the grove" is suddenly so awesome as a campus attraction that studs are lining up left and right to play for this perennial door mat of a program.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's almost always a duck.
This haul, if it pans out, will be worthy of suspicion in my opinion.

Yes...this, and Treadwell's not so subtle pics of his signing bonus.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I still don't understand the obsession with Ole Miss, and all the accusations-with not a shred of evidence for any sort of justification-surrounding their recruiting. It only smells, walks and quacks like a duck if you've at least got something to go off of; we don't right now, and these are just baseless assumptions.

In any event, Ole Miss recruiting this way helps us. The same thing applies to A&M and what Sumlin's got cooking over there. The SEC west needs teams capable of knocking off the Tide. If you guys want to sit here five years from now, and debate on message boards about whether or not Bama will win their ninth national championship in the last ten seasons, then I guess you look at Ole Miss bringing in top talent as a bad thing.

I, however, want the teams out west to bring in as much talent as possible. Let LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss and A&M bring in top-ten classes periodically; Bama brings in a class that's arguably the best every year.

[gatorjlm]

I still don't understand the obsession with Ole Miss, and all the accusations-with not a shred of evidence for any sort of justification-surrounding their recruiting. It only smells, walks and quacks like a duck if you've at least got something to go off of; we don't right now, and these are just baseless assumptions.

In any event, Ole Miss recruiting this way helps us. The same thing applies to A&M and what Sumlin's got cooking over there. The SEC west needs teams capable of knocking off the Tide. If you guys want to sit here five years from now, and debate on message boards about whether or not Bama will win their ninth national championship in the last ten seasons, then I guess you look at Ole Miss bringing in top talent as a bad thing.

I, however, want the teams out west to bring in as much talent as possible. Let LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss and A&M bring in top-ten classes periodically; Bama brings in a class that's arguably the best every year.

Proof? Is this a court of law or a IN board? Are you kidding? I've been following this stuff for over two decades...what is happening is highly unusual. It is not just us people on GC who are lifting an eyebrow here.

And your second comment supports this. You are right that we stand to benefit from any strenghtening of a Bama/LSU divisional foe, precisely why this is not just some sort of Gator vendetta against (or hating on) OM. Something is amiss at Ole Miss and the fact they we actually benefit from this doesn't change that.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Proof? Is this a court of law or a IN board? Are you kidding? I've been following this stuff for over two decades...what is happening is highly unusual. It is not just us people on GC who are lifting an eyebrow here.

And your second comment supports this. You are right that we stand to benefit from any strenghtening of a Bama/LSU divisional foe, precisely why this is not just some sort of Gator vendetta against (or hating on) OM. Something is amiss at Ole Miss and the fact they we actually benefit from this doesn't actually change that.

Okay, does this mean that they're cheating?

[GATORAZ]

Proof? Is this a court of law or a IN board? Are you kidding? I've been following this stuff for over two decades...what is happening is highly unusual. It is not just us people on GC who are lifting an eyebrow here.


what about it is highly unusual?

[dadx4]

I heard on the radio today that Ngenchies dad got a sweet job down at Ole Miss.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

jlm,

I went back and read your post again and, again, there are no facts to support your claim. There is nothing but your opinion(s) of the matter, baseless assumptions, mixed in with an underlying resentment that everybody on this board doesn't feel the exact same way about the matter that you do.

Again, nothing has been brought to light about any recruiting violations Freeze might be guilty of. Your opinion of the situation doesn't count. No matter how well you articulate the point you're trying to make, that doesn't mean Ole Miss is cheating.

[dadx4]

I heard on the radio today that Ngenchies dad got a sweet job down at Ole Miss.

[UFFL]

While I understand there are circumstances surrounding good recruits, I am very surprised by the success of Ole Miss this cycle. I don't think there's any cheating going on, but I also don't think Ole Miss will even win the division in the next 4 years

[GATORAZ]

I heard on the radio today that Ngenchies dad got a sweet job down at Ole Miss.

oh really what kind of job?

[Gator_84_88]

One of the guys i KNOW for sure that has been connected to Ole Miss, i've mentioned here several times. Shortly after i posted about him...Miss State gets burned by him. He also is connected to Ole Miss as we as Vandy. NO...Freeze IS NOT THAT damn good.

[Gatorrick22]

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

WTH?

Dude, that's a line that no true Gator fan should ever cross. Baseless BS allegations about BD have no place on a gator board/forum, no matter what point you're trying to make.

[ArtDeco]

what about it is highly unusual?

AZ,
I would like you to defer to those that know the situation better.
Are you from Mississippi? Have you ever attended a function at Ole Miss? Have you ever talked to faculty at Ole Miss?
I have a degree from Ole Miss. Two of my siblings graduated from Ole Miss. I have written them a check for five digits for their academics fund.
On Saturdays, I root for Florida first, then Ole Miss. In 2008, I was disappointed in our loss, but happy for Ole Miss.
This is highly unusual and if caught, will only hurt the program in the long run.
Ole Miss boosters are at the point where they have gotten minimal return for rather large investments by their standards, and they will currently do anything to win. After taking a chance on a known rule-flaunter like Orgeron (who Freeze worked under), would it surprise you if they push the envelope again? Even Orgeron didn't haul in kids like this.
While I am very happy (and frankly, surprised) to see the results on the field last year, I don't think anyone who's objective would have expected any bump in recruiting this significant. Name one other 5 star player (other than Eli, who was a legacy) outside of Mississippi that has gone there in the last ten years. It is, and always has been, Ole Miss' MO to get the best players they could from in-state, from nearby Memphis, some local JUCOs, and some underrated 3 stars from nearby states (Dexter McCluster comes to mind). Anything that varies from this norm will always look suspicious.

I'd also ixnay the talk about "prove it" if I were Freeze. That's always what politicians say right before they go down.

[UFFL]

One of the guys i KNOW for sure that has been connected to Ole Miss, i've mentioned here several times. Shortly after i posted about him...Miss State gets burned by him. He also is connected to Ole Miss as we as Vandy. NO...Freeze IS NOT THAT damn good.

What's going on?

[gatordowneast]

Tunsil is not going to Ole Miss ! UGA is my bet

Not so sure about this. An article in AJC states that UGA just offered an O tackle they had previously not recruited as they found out some unfavorable news re a certain O tackle from 35 miles north of G'ville. I would guess, he is going to the home of the grove.

[Gatorrick22]

AZ,
I would like you to defer to those that know the situation better.
Are you from Mississippi? Have you ever attended a function at Ole Miss? Have you ever talked to faculty at Ole Miss?
I have a degree from Ole Miss. Two of my siblings graduated from Ole Miss. I have written them a check for five digits for their academics fund.
On Saturdays, I root for Florida first, then Ole Miss. In 2008, I was disappointed in our loss, but happy for Ole Miss.
This is highly unusual and if caught, will only hurt the program in the long run.
Ole Miss boosters are at the point where they have gotten minimal return for rather large investments by their standards, and they will currently do anything to win. After taking a chance on a known rule-flaunter like Orgeron (who Freeze worked under), would it surprise you if they push the envelope again? Even Orgeron didn't haul in kids like this.
While I am very happy (and frankly, surprised) to see the results on the field last year, I don't think anyone who's objective would have expected any bump in recruiting this significant. Name one other 5 star player (other than Eli, who was a legacy) outside of Mississippi that has gone there in the last ten years. It is, and always has been, Ole Miss' MO to get the best players they could from in-state, from nearby Memphis, some local JUCOs, and some underrated 3 stars from nearby states (Dexter McCluster comes to mind). Anything that varies from this norm will always look suspicious.

I'd also ixnay the talk about "prove it" if I were Freeze. That's always what politicians say right before they go down.

:laugh::laugh::yes:

[eastowest]

I saw The Ghost of Ole Miss or something like that last night..........WOW
It was like you were in Germany back in the 1930's.
The events of that show happened in 1962, but things have changed very little.
"Blood is thicker than water" per James Meredith

[NoahBeanBizzel]

AZ,
I would like you to defer to those that know the situation better.
Are you from Mississippi? Have you ever attended a function at Ole Miss? Have you ever talked to faculty at Ole Miss?
I have a degree from Ole Miss. Two of my siblings graduated from Ole Miss. I have written them a check for five digits for their academics fund.
On Saturdays, I root for Florida first, then Ole Miss. In 2008, I was disappointed in our loss, but happy for Ole Miss.
This is highly unusual and if caught, will only hurt the program in the long run.
Ole Miss boosters are at the point where they have gotten minimal return for rather large investments by their standards, and they will currently do anything to win. After taking a chance on a known rule-flaunter like Orgeron (who Freeze worked under), would it surprise you if they push the envelope again? Even Orgeron didn't haul in kids like this.
While I am very happy (and frankly, surprised) to see the results on the field last year, I don't think anyone who's objective would have expected any bump in recruiting this significant. Name one other 5 star player (other than Eli, who was a legacy) outside of Mississippi that has gone there in the last ten years. It is, and always has been, Ole Miss' MO to get the best players they could from in-state, from nearby Memphis, some local JUCOs, and some underrated 3 stars from nearby states (Dexter McCluster comes to mind). Anything that varies from this norm will always look suspicious.

I'd also ixnay the talk about "prove it" if I were Freeze. That's always what politicians say right before they go down.

Gee Art, let me take a shot at breaking down what you're trying to say to all the peons on this board, who sound like they aren't as qualified to talk about the issue as you are.

-It sounds like you're telling us you make enough money to donate a large sum to the adademic fund at Ole Miss.
-Also sounds like you want us to know how connected you are with the program itself, and that makes you quailified to speculate (a big word here) about what's really happening over there.
-You think, based off of how connected you are with the program, that something has to be off.
-It also sounds like you're a pretty important person over there which, again, bolsters the claims you are making.

What I'm not seeing, is anything more than that. I haven't seen any facts. Any links to allegations. Certainly not anything that has been proven (another big word in a discussion about alleged cheaters) to be a violation of any sort. It just sounds like a bunch of big words thrown together to try to make a point that nobody can seem to prove. Again: fail.

All I want is the proof.

[Gatorrick22]

Gee Art, let me take a shot at breaking down what you're trying to say to all the peons on this board, who sound like they aren't as qualified to talk about the issue as you are.

-It sounds like you're telling us you make enough money to donate a large sum to the adademic fund at Ole Miss.
-Also sounds like you want us to know how connected you are with the program itself, and that makes you quailified to speculate (a big word here) about what's really happening over there.
-You think, based off of how connected you are with the program, that something has to be off.

What I'm not seeing, is anything more than that. I haven't seen any facts. Any links to allegations. Certainly not anything that has been proven (another big word in a discussion about alleged cheaters) to be a violation of any sort. It just sounds like a bunch of big words thrown together to try to make a point that nobody can seem to prove. Again: fail.

All I want is the proof.

:huh:

[UFFL]

Lol in that case, you could make the claim that Miami is innocent as well

[GATORAZ]

ArtDeco that was a lot of writing but I still dont see what you said was unusual about the class. The class is filled with JUCO's, kids from Mississippi, a player who's brother goes to Ole miss and a kid who's friend goes to Ole Miss. The only player that's out of the blue is Tunsil. Do I think that Ole Miss is cheating? I think most teams are cheating it would be naive to think most teams are clean. That being said Ole Miss got lucky with circumstances this year.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Lol in that case, you could make the claim that Miami is innocent as well

Not at all. With Miami, we at least have a roll call of accusations that have been brought against them, that the NCAA was supposed to do their job and look into. I don't know how they managed to screw that up, but there was at least something to go off of that the NCAA was supposed to investigate.

With Ole Miss, nothing has even been brought against them, so it's actually quite different. They have been accused of absolutely nothing. You have a bunch of fans from surrounding schools in the conference, blowing noise about nothing. It's absurd, and it's really getting annoying.

[dadx4]

oh really what kind of job?

They didn't say.

[GATORAZ]

They didn't say.

do you know what his father does for a living?

[NoahBeanBizzel]

They didn't say.

It was something pertaining to the medical field, and whoever investigates something like that would have to prove that he wasn't the best candidate for the job before any further action would ensue.

And, based off the fact that their family seems to be well-respected, and how hard Africans who come over here to work actually work, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was the most qualified candidate for the position. I work with two guys from west Africa, and they are extremely hard, focused, dedicated workers.

[gatorjlm]

where is the proof G Hall cheated?

[SPErebel]

Got to come out of lurking and reading for a moment to respond to this one for a sec. I don't doubt you heard the report of a job on the radio, dadx4, but it's old old old news and it's factually incorrect news that was reported on a couple of months ago.

Dr. Sunday Nkemdiche did apply for a job at UMC a year or so ago as a part of a research team on African American's and heart ailments. He was a finalist for the job. He also withdrew his name from consideration and said he was no longer interested in the job before it reached the stages of an interview and proceeding further.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

where is the proof G Hall cheated?

First of all, what does Hall have to do with Freeze and Ole Miss? Secondly, it was-again-a different situation with Galen. There were alleged violations that subsequently forced his resignation; with Freeze, you have nothing but a bunch of jealous fans sitting around with nothing, claiming that there's all kinds of cheating going on over there. And I'm asking what legitimate basis there is for a serious set of accusations that are being made about Ole Miss and their recruiting.

Because after signing day there's going to be another thread about the Rebels. And I'm sick of seeing threads about Ole Miss, and reading about a bunch of nothing. It's asinine.

[atlantagator86]

ArtDeco that was a lot of writing but I still dont see what you said was unusual about the class. The class is filled with JUCO's, kids from Mississippi, a player who's brother goes to Ole miss and a kid who's friend goes to Ole Miss. The only player that's out of the blue is Tunsil. Do I think that Ole Miss is cheating? I think most teams are cheating it would be naive to think most teams are clean. That being said Ole Miss got lucky with circumstances this year.

GatorAZ: Did you read my post #60 in response to our direct conversation? You might have missed it since it was at the bottom of the page.

As best as I can tell based on the Rivals lists, which is 2002, Ole Miss has not signed a single 5-star player who was not either from the state of Mississippi or a JUCO. Not even one from an adjacent state. Not a single one in the previous 11 classes.

So suddenly, after a mediocre 6-6 season, it appears they will sign 3 (all 3 are the top in the nation at their position and all from non-contiguous states) and you think that's just coincidence? What are the odds?

I understand Nkemdiche completely. But I just don't buy that Treadwell and Standifer were best friends, or at least not that Treadwell would go across country to a mediocre program just to play with Standifer. I know they did a few trips together last year (Michigan in particular), but other that Treadwell saying it might be cool to play with him, I seen anything that made it sound like they were best friends or anything. And I think even you acknowledge the Tunsil situation is a big surprise.

I agree that most schools are probably cheating at some level, but for Ole Miss to be out recruiting the elite programs, I have to think maybe they're going above and beyond.

[Gatorphenom]

Gee Art, let me take a shot at breaking down what you're trying to say to all the peons on this board, who sound like they aren't as qualified to talk about the issue as you are.

-It sounds like you're telling us you make enough money to donate a large sum to the adademic fund at Ole Miss.
-Also sounds like you want us to know how connected you are with the program itself, and that makes you quailified to speculate (a big word here) about what's really happening over there.
-You think, based off of how connected you are with the program, that something has to be off.
-It also sounds like you're a pretty important person over there which, again, bolsters the claims you are making.

What I'm not seeing, is anything more than that. I haven't seen any facts. Any links to allegations. Certainly not anything that has been proven (another big word in a discussion about alleged cheaters) to be a violation of any sort. It just sounds like a bunch of big words thrown together to try to make a point that nobody can seem to prove. Again: fail.

All I want is the proof.

Wow....just wow......:no:

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Wow....just wow......:no:

My point was, that if you're going to talk down to people for feeling a certain way, at least back it up with evidence.

But there isn't any.

[LightMan]

GatorAZ: Did you read my post #60 in response to our direct conversation? You might have missed it since it was at the bottom of the page.

As best as I can tell based on the Rivals lists, which is 2002, Ole Miss has not signed a single 5-star player who was not either from the state of Mississippi or a JUCO. Not a single one in the previous 11 classes.

So suddenly, after a mediocre 6-6 season, it appears they will sign 3 (all 3 are the top in the nation at their position and all from non-contiguous states) and you think that's just coincidence? What are the odds?

I understand Nkemdiche completely. But I just don't buy that Treadwell and Standifer were best friends, or at least not that Treadwell would go across country to a mediocre program just to play with Standifer. I know they did a few trips together last year (Michigan in particular), but other that Treadwell saying it might be cool to play with him, I seen anything that made it sound like they were best friends or anything. And I think even you acknowledge the Tunsil situation is a big surprise.

I agree that most schools are probably cheating at some level, but for Ole Miss to be out recruiting the elite programs, I have to think maybe they're going above and beyond.

I havent read the entire thread but I dont understand why they have to be cheating. Nkemdiche has his brother playing there and his mom feels really strong about them playing together.

Treadwell I guess according to what I have read, has a close friend playing at Ole Miss. Im sure that goes a long way in getting them a look.

Get the kid on campus then sell him on playing time, being in the SEC, building his own legacy, starting something at Ole Miss. Very good ways to get an 18 year olds attention.

Once they got Nkemdiche and Treadwell looking there way, why is it so hard to believe others would look that way? They can sell playing time better than any of the other big time programs that are recruiting these top ranked kids. Obviously the facilities at Ole Miss arent going to be bad, they get SEC money! Throw in a local kid like Jones.

Point is getting attention from someone like Nkemdiche early in the recruiting process is a big help. They werent horrible this year, they took A&M to the wire I believe. Its not unrealistic to think a snowball effect can happen here just because of the ability to sell early playing time in the best conference in the nation.

[GATORAZ]

GatorAZ: Did you read my post #60 in response to our direct conversation? You might have missed it since it was at the bottom of the page.


1. You get why Robert is going to Ole Miss
2 Treadwell went to visit just for fun a enjoyed his time there and decided to go to Ole Miss this happens all the time. As soon as Treadwell started visiting Ole Miss I thought they had a great shot to get him. The schools he was looking at were Michigan Oklahoma and Oklahoma state. You watch the offense UM was running with Robinson it would be easy to get turned off by them, plus they were pressuring him like crazy. People seem to think kids just want to win but that's not the case. Treadwell seems like the kind of kid that just want to go to college play football and have a good time. Doesn't that sound like Ole Miss?


Again Tunsil is the only one BUT they got him on campus. How Chris Kiffin and company did that is beyond me.

Maybe they are going above and beyond the rest of the SEC west in cheating but that would be hard to do.

[GATORAZ]

I wonder if people actually watched Ole Miss play this year. They are going to be very competitive in the SEC west

[ArtDeco]

My point was, that if you're going to talk down to people


Dude, Step back for a second.
Wherever you got this from, that's your pathology, I never talked down to anyone, nor did I mention you at all.
I was trying to let people know that I'm not some bumpkin in Starkville grinding an axe on a hated rival. I was also trying to educate you that I've followed Ole MIss probably closer than anyone on here over the last 20 years or so. If anything, I should be ecstatic. But I've seen this movie before with Ole Miss. In the past, they have always been slammed by the NCAA when thing seemed "out of character". I have started threads on here before about how the Alabamas of the world get away with murder while the Ole Misses get the death penalty. I empathize with them, which is why I'm so worried about this year's cycle. Look up the last NCAA probation Ole Miss got under Billy Brewer. It was one of the last real probations ever given to an SEC team, including no TV and no bowls, loss of schollies. It took Tuberville to pull them out of that. And that near-death penalty was over truck tires.
I love Ole Miss, but they really need to watch it. The slightest appearance of impropriety could make them into the example the NCAA seems so unwilling to perform on Da U.

On a lighter note, I really think you either need to edit your previous post, or at least apologize. I'm not talking down to you at all, and I'm afraid you're getting way too personal here. It's football, dude.
Also, I think this is the first time in history that claiming a degree from Ole Miss gets you accused of "being better than" somebody.:laugh:

[gatorjlm]

First of all, what does Hall have to do with Freeze and Ole Miss? Secondly, it was-again-a different situation with Galen. There were alleged violations that subsequently forced his resignation; with Freeze, you have nothing but a bunch of jealous fans sitting around with nothing, claiming that there's all kinds of cheating going on over there. And I'm asking what legitimate basis there is for a serious set of accusations that are being made about Ole Miss and their recruiting.

Because after signing day there's going to be another thread about the Rebels. And I'm sick of seeing threads about Ole Miss, and reading about a bunch of nothing. It's asinine.

then stop reading...I wouldn't want you to get sick.

If you knew anything about this you'd know it can take years for facts to surface (and they may never), you never really get anything but rumblings, anecdotal snippets and speculation at that time. First you get smoke. Can everything here be above board...sure, it’s possible. Am I certain of cheating, of course not...only death and taxes. But I'm not naive. And enough with the jealousy crap, some jealousy of Bama is understandable... but OM, please, we are not Tulane.

Other things on this subject I have absolutely no proof of, Bama bought TR, Clemson is dirty, etc..

Burdon of Proof: Criminal Case > Civil Case > NCAA > Message Board...typically with correlating penalties.

[UFFL]

I wonder if people actually watched Ole Miss play this year. They are going to be very competitive in the SEC west

I watched Georgia run over them pretty badly. That's about the only game I watched though. They're pretty young, but I would be surprised if they beat two of LSU/aTm/Alabama in consecutive years, at any point

[ArtDeco]

I watched Georgia run over them pretty badly. That's about the only game I watched though. They're pretty young, but I would be surprised if they beat two of LSU/aTm/Alabama in consecutive years, at any point

Again, not that "I'm better than anybody", but as a Rebel fan, I would tell you not to hold your breath for Ole Miss to beat Alabama. I remember Tuberville beating them in Tuscaloosa, which is as rare as Kentucky beating us at home. I think Eli may have got them in Oxford once or twice, but that's like 3 wins in 20 years. You'd have a better chance of seeing Halley's Comet than seeing an Ole Miss win over Bama.

[ArtDeco]

I havent read the entire thread but I dont understand why they have to be cheating. They can sell playing time better than any of the other big time programs that are recruiting these top ranked kids. Its not unrealistic to think a snowball effect can happen here just because of the ability to sell early playing time in the best conference in the nation.

By this logic, Kentucky and Mizzou should be recruiting #1 and #2, and we'd be #100.

That Egg Bowl win sure does carry alot of weight I guess, not just around the Southeast, but also around the nation, huh.
Maybe next year the game will actually be televised.

[GatorByte]

Here is a comment from a Bruce Feldman CBS Sports Mailbag article from 2/1 (regarding Ole Miss and recruiting success) that seems to be making the rounds on different message boards:

RichardPace81

This will be my first and only post. A man name Jamie Holder is being investigated by the NCAA. Mr. Holder is an executive at Hol-Mac Corp in Bay Springs, MS, a former Ole Miss football player, and resides on Ole Miss's Board of Directors for the Alumni Association. The NCAA is investigating his involvement in the recruitments of Cody Pruitt and Donte Moncrief. The allegations include pay for play and providing jobs to Pruitt's family, namely his grandmother. While investigation of allegations of this nature are not uncommon, what is alarming is that Ole Miss is using a private firm and outsourcing the compliance tasks to ensure that they are not forced to release the information through a Freedom of Information Act request. The official announcement of the investigation is being delayed until after National Signing Day to "protect this class." The act of hiding this information to their respective recruits, and the chance that these kids could be walking into a University facing potentially major sanctions, is alarming and cause for concern. I hope that someone will do their due diligence and protect these kids who are being lied to and misled.

Mr. Holder, his family, and Ole Miss's compliance department are fully aware of these allegations.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/21628098/mailbag-ole-miss-stunning-recruiting-success-turning-heads

[gatorjlm]

Here is a comment from a Bruce Feldman CBS Sports Mailbag article from 2/1 (regarding Ole Miss and recruiting success) that seems to be making the rounds on different message boards:



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/21628098/mailbag-ole-miss-stunning-recruiting-success-turning-heads

Yeah...but where is the proof?????????????

[ArtDeco]

Interesting read, GatorByte.
From the article:
Obviously, this kind of thing sparks a lot of suspicion. When I worked on Meat Market, I recall coach Ed Orgeron telling his staff that if Ole Miss landed (top-ranked recruit) Joe McKnight, the Rebels would get investigated by the NCAA. Hugh Freeze, who was an assistant under Orgeron...

Orgeron said the same thing alot of people are saying, and he was Coach at the time.
Now honestly, the McKnight affair would have made more sense than Treadwell or Tunsil b/c McKnight was from New Orleans (Manning home) and Ole Miss offered at least one of his buddies (Colby Arceneaux?) and possibly another, football schollies in the hopes of landing the big fish. Also, Orgeron was from Louisiana and had some pull there.

I've mentioned the book referenced above, Meat Market, in several threads, and no, I don't think I'm "better than anybody" b/c I own a copy. It's a good take on what we're experiencing.

[ArtDeco]

I'm trying to remember, somehow that name Jamie Holder sticks out to me. He may have been a former WR or TE, I think.

[ArtDeco]

Yeah...but where is the proof?????????????

You think you're better than me?:laugh:

[atlantagator86]

I havent read the entire thread but I dont understand why they have to be cheating.

They don't HAVE to be cheating and so far there is no real hard proof that they are. I'm personally not accusing them of anything specific. But what is happening at Ole Miss this year is SO far out of the norm for them, with no clear reason, that this has to throw up a HUGE red flag.

Nkemdiche I understand but Treadwell and Tunsil's decisions really have me scratching my head and I'm pretty certain some people from the NCAA will be wondering too and check into things.

If you choose to believe it's just a really great job of recruiting by Hugh Freeze, then that's fine. But I for one am VERY suspicious.

[GatorByte]

I'm trying to remember, somehow that name Jamie Holder sticks out to me. He may have been a former WR or TE, I think.

He was apparently a WR from 1983-1985:

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerWR.asp?id=1228972

He is now listed as a board member for Ole Miss here:

https://olemissalumni.com/aboutus/default.aspx?st=li5c&page_id=58

Mr. Jamie Holder Bay Springs MS 1985 Business Administration

Here is a pic from the Hol-Mac website. He is the first one from the left:

http://hol-mac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/AwardsLunch3-1024x550.jpg

Website is here:

http://hol-mac.com/

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Dude, Step back for a second.
Wherever you got this from, that's your pathology, I never talked down to anyone, nor did I mention you at all.
I was trying to let people know that I'm not some bumpkin in Starkville grinding an axe on a hated rival. I was also trying to educate you that I've followed Ole MIss probably closer than anyone on here over the last 20 years or so. If anything, I should be ecstatic. But I've seen this movie before with Ole Miss. In the past, they have always been slammed by the NCAA when thing seemed "out of character". I have started threads on here before about how the Alabamas of the world get away with murder while the Ole Misses get the death penalty. I empathize with them, which is why I'm so worried about this year's cycle. Look up the last NCAA probation Ole Miss got under Billy Brewer. It was one of the last real probations ever given to an SEC team, including no TV and no bowls, loss of schollies. It took Tuberville to pull them out of that. And that near-death penalty was over truck tires.
I love Ole Miss, but they really need to watch it. The slightest appearance of impropriety could make them into the example the NCAA seems so unwilling to perform on Da U.

On a lighter note, I really think you either need to edit your previous post, or at least apologize. I'm not talking down to you at all, and I'm afraid you're getting way too personal here. It's football, dude.
Also, I think this is the first time in history that claiming a degree from Ole Miss gets you accused of "being better than" somebody.:laugh:

Yup. I was too rough with that last post. Sorry about that. There was no need to take it that far.

The only thing I'm really going to say about this, is we'll see what materializes over the next five-ten years with the Rebels. I think Freeze is building something over there. I could understand why a high-profile recruit would take them seriously. It is, however, uncommon for a school with limited success to do what they're doing. But a lot of people felt the same way about Donovan during the first five-ten years that he was in Gainesville. Nothing has ever been dug up on Donovan, and now the SEC has come to realize what a great coach/recruiter he truly is.

I'm going to take some time off from this board.

[GatorByte]

Interesting read, GatorByte.
From the article:
Obviously, this kind of thing sparks a lot of suspicion. When I worked on Meat Market, I recall coach Ed Orgeron telling his staff that if Ole Miss landed (top-ranked recruit) Joe McKnight, the Rebels would get investigated by the NCAA. Hugh Freeze, who was an assistant under Orgeron...

Orgeron said the same thing alot of people are saying, and he was Coach at the time.
Now honestly, the McKnight affair would have made more sense than Treadwell or Tunsil b/c McKnight was from New Orleans (Manning home) and Ole Miss offered at least one of his buddies (Colby Arceneaux?) and possibly another, football schollies in the hopes of landing the big fish. Also, Orgeron was from Louisiana and had some pull there.

I've mentioned the book referenced above, Meat Market, in several threads, and no, I don't think I'm "better than anybody" b/c I own a copy. It's a good take on what we're experiencing.

Here is something also interesting pertaining to the claims made in that post. It does appear that Ole Miss contracts with an outside provider called EthicsPoint Inc. to handle "ethics-related matters and NCAA violations". Here it is right here on their compliance site:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/compliance/spec-rel/ole-compliance-for-athletes.html

Ethics Reporting
The University of Mississippi is committed to achieving and maintaining the highest standards of ethical behavior. To help ensure effective means of reporting inappropriate behavior the University has contracted with an outside provider, EthicsPoint, Inc., to receive anonymous reports regarding concerns over ethics related matters and NCAA violations. To file a report, click the "File a Report" link or read the EthicsPoint FAQ for more information regarding the system.

File a Report
EthicsPoint FAQ

Read more about EthicsPoint here:

http://www.ethicspoint.com/

As they pertain to Ole Miss:

https://secure.ethicspoint.com/domain/media/en/gui/31500/index.html

[ArtDeco]

Yup. I was too rough with that last post. Sorry about that. There was no need to take it that far.

I'm going to take some time off from this board.

Please don't. What a stand-up post you made above, a helluva thing to do. I think you're one of the good ones, and I enjoy reading your posts. AZ too, ya'll have no idea how much you bring to these boards. I just find it difficult to rationalize what's happening this season in Oxford, that's all. I also apologize for being harsh on here, esp if it got directed to you at any point, and I'm probably being too harsh on Freeze, too.
I truly hope everything is on the level. I just find it difficult to believe.

[atlantagator86]

ArtDeco:

I can appreciate how you're able to have a realistic and reasonable evaluation of things going on at your own alma mater.

I know that especially in a competitive conference like the SEC, when you're a fan, alumni or booster of a "have not" program, looking up at all the advantages of the "have" programs like Bama, LSU and UF, it's easily to cast a blind eye or even justify a little rule bending if it helps you compete. Just as some people here have kind of expressed that it wouldn't bother them for Ole Miss to "cheat" a little if it helped them end Bama's domination.

I have no idea if Ole Miss is doing anything illegal, but there definitely is a little stench in the air.

I also think you hit the nail on the head when you said "this kind of thing sparks a lot of suspicion" and you can be sure the NCAA is going to be snooping around. Of course we know how much power the NCAA has.

You're also absolutely right, at least in my opinion, about your comment "how the Alabamas of the world get away with murder while the Ole Misses get the death penalty". The NCAA is scared to death of doing anything that will hurt it's big money programs (UF included), but they like to make examples of the mid-tier programs in the major conferences. If Ole Miss is doing anything illegal, they will probably get the book thrown at them.

[gatorjlm]

ArtDeco:

I can appreciate how you're able to have a realistic and reasonable evaluation of things going on at your own alma mater.

I know that especially in a competitive conference like the SEC, when you're a fan, alumni or booster of a "have not" program, looking up at all the advantages of the "have" programs like Bama, LSU and UF, it's easily to cast a blind eye or even justify a little rule bending if it helps you compete. Just as some people here have kind of expressed that it wouldn't bother them for Ole Miss to "cheat" a little if it helped them end Bama's domination.

I have no idea if Ole Miss is doing anything illegal, but there definitely is a little stench in the air.

I also think you hit the nail on the head when you said "this kind of thing sparks a lot of suspicion" and you can be sure the NCAA is going to be snooping around. Of course we know how much power the NCAA has.

You're also absolutely right, at least in my opinion, about your comment "how the Alabamas of the world get away with murder while the Ole Misses get the death penalty". The NCAA is scared to death of doing anything that will hurt it's big money programs (UF included), but they like to make examples of the mid-tier programs in the major conferences. If Ole Miss is doing anything illegal, they will probably get the book thrown at them.

true

[cudigator]

Let the record show that if this was coach cal at Kentucky i would be leading the witch hunt but until then ill just hope Mississippi is relatively clean and another team that can make Alabama's schedule a little bit harder.

[gatorev12]

As has been mentioned, at least two of their high-profile recruits have family or friends at Ole Miss, so those can be easily explained.

A few others are JUCO recruits--and primarily JUCO recruits who've gone to junior college in Mississippi. Again, nothing terribly unusual for a guy in-state to stay in-state.

When a few top guys make it in your class, the team did decent on the field the season before (remember, they were very competitive with both LSU and A&M until late in the fourth quarter)--and they have a hotshot new coach who's selling the idea of early playing time and changing the culture, that's appealing to other recruits and the ball gets rolling for a few other guys they might not have had a shot at before.

Really don't have too much problem with Ole Miss having a good recruiting class and/or starting to do better in the West. It makes that division more competitive and ends up making the conference stronger too.

[Tebowism0823]

One of the guys i KNOW for sure that has been connected to Ole Miss, i've mentioned here several times. Shortly after i posted about him...Miss State gets burned by him. He also is connected to Ole Miss as we as Vandy. NO...Freeze IS NOT THAT damn good.

Word!

[Stewie4Governor]

Had an interesting conversation with an Ole Miss fan on Saturday which resulted in my ears hearing the statement that Ole Miss would beat Florida in recruiting. I understand they are supposed to get Nkemdiche and Tunsil (not that those are final yet) and possibly others, but if I understand the team rankings they would need more than a couple 5 stars to jump from out of the top 10 and surpass the current #1. Either way, Hugh Freeze might have convinced a few big names to play in Oxford, but top to bottom UF's class should remain superior (as the rankings suggest).

[GATORAZ]

stewie Ole Miss is in position to add 4 more 5 star prospects a high 4 star prospect and a few 3 star prospects

[UFFL]

stewie Ole Miss is in position to add 4 more 5 star prospects a high 4 star prospect and a few 3 star prospects

who are the other two 5 stars?

[atlantagator86]

As has been mentioned, at least two of their high-profile recruits have family or friends at Ole Miss, so those can be easily explained.

A few others are JUCO recruits--and primarily JUCO recruits who've gone to junior college in Mississippi. Again, nothing terribly unusual for a guy in-state to stay in-state.

I also don't think anyone is questioning Nkemdiche, any of the JUCOs, any of the in-state or even adjacent state recruits. Those guys all completely follow the typical Ole Miss recruiting pattern.

The thing that throws up the flag is that after 10+ years of recruiting almost exclusively in-state and JUCO with a few occasional adjacent state guy in there, they have not just Nkemdiche, Treadwell and probably Tunsil, but they also have Adeboyejo from TX and Daniel from IN, who are both 4-star guys as well as 4 3-star guys from non-adjacent states. That's up to at least 9 guys that completely deviate from their typical recruiting pattern. That's probably going to be about a third of their entire class.

[GATORAZ]

who are the other two 5 stars?

Chris Jones could flip from Miss State and Safety Tony Conner is down to Bama and Ole Miss. If Conner goes to Bama that should be investigated.

[atlantagator86]

Chris Jones could flip from Miss State and Safety Tony Conner is down to Bama and Ole Miss. If Conner goes to Bama that should be investigated.

Where is Conner rated 5 stars? I see him as 4 on both Rivals and ESPN.

I actually wouldn't question either of them picking Ole Miss as they're both in-state.

EDIT: Never mind. I see Scout has him at 5 stars. I really don't rely on Scout ratings.

[GATORAZ]

Where is Conner rated 5 stars? I see him as 4 on both Rivals and ESPN.

I actually wouldn't question either of them picking Ole Miss as they're both in-state.

EDIT: Never mind. I see Scout has him at 5 stars. I really don't rely on Scout ratings.

247 has him as a 5 star

[atlantagator86]

247 has him as a 5 star

Okay. Don't even look at 247 ratings.

[GATORAZ]

Okay. Don't even look at 247 ratings.

lol why is that?

[gatorev12]

I also don't think anyone is questioning Nkemdiche, any of the JUCOs, any of the in-state or even adjacent state recruits. Those guys all completely follow the typical Ole Miss recruiting pattern.

The thing that throws up the flag is that after 10+ years of recruiting almost exclusively in-state and JUCO with a few occasional adjacent state guy in there, they have not just Nkemdiche, Treadwell and probably Tunsil, but they also have Adeboyejo from TX and Daniel from IN, who are both 4-star guys as well as 4 3-star guys from non-adjacent states. That's up to at least 9 guys that completely deviate from their typical recruiting pattern. That's probably going to be about a third of their entire class.

Not to be snarky--but the part of the post you edited out addressed that.

Mississippi's top talent in-state has almost always gone elsewhere. Sure, Ole Miss and Miss State get their share of 4 and 3 star guys...but it's extremely rare for a genuine 5 star prospect to commit to one of those two schools. This year, Ole Miss got pretty lucky in having two 5 star guys with close ties to the university--and had a decent enough year to be able to sell the prospect of winning seasons in the future. Recruits like the idea of being "the guy" that lifted a school to the top. Who wouldn't?

And when those top two guys (Nkemdiche and Treadwell) commit, it does tend to turn the heads of other recruits who are out there that might not have considered Ole Miss before. Remember, top-level recruits tend to be pretty close to one another. They go to the same top-level training camps and all-star games...and most text/call each other a lot. It's benefited Florida on multiple occasions.

So yes, you're right in saying that guys from outside the state who are committing to Ole Miss is an aberration, it makes a lot more sense when you consider the other, less suspicious factors involved--like the top two guys in their class having family and friends with ties to the school.

[ArtDeco]

Look, let me make my case as simply and as bluntly as I can, for those of you trying to equate 2012 Ole Miss with 1970s Florida.
Ole Miss. Deep South. Severe issues with race. The Rebels. Highly conservative area. Very rural. No clubs, no local attractions. Zero appearances in the SECCG. 6-6 record.
Confederate flags.

Black athletes traditionally do not run to Ole Miss. The only ones that do traditionally have been in-state or Mississippi JUCO players, with few if any other options.

[GATORAZ]

Art who is running to Ole Miss? We are talking about 3 kids two of which have ties to Ole Miss.

[GATORAZ]

Whats crazy is Alabama moved a kids family from Florida to Bama, but nobody is talking about that. Auburn lost their whole staff and looks to close well, but nobody is talking about that.

[ArtDeco]

Art who is running to Ole Miss? We are talking about 3 kids two of which have ties to Ole Miss.
To quote you:
Ole Miss is in position to add 4 more 5 star prospects a high 4 star prospect and a few 3 star prospects

As far as ties, knowing someone who attends a school is not a "tie". Receiving a signing bonus is a tie. BTW, I don't think anyone here has a problem with Nkemdiche.

Don't mean to tick you off, AZ, just don't have the confidence in Archie's choice that you have.

[stomp_and_chomp]

lol why is that?

I love Rivals the most, myself. I am also really partial to ESPN... because, well... it's ESPN.

Scout is downright horrible.

I browse around the 247 rankings, but that's about it.

At the end of the day though, Rivals is tops.

[GATORAZ]

To quote you:
Ole Miss is in position to add 4 more 5 star prospects a high 4 star prospect and a few 3 star prospects

As far as ties, knowing someone who attends a school is not a "tie". Receiving a signing bonus is a tie. BTW, I don't think anyone here has a problem with Nkemdiche.

Don't mean to tick you off, AZ, just don't have the confidence in Archie's choice that you have.

You are not ticking me off I just dont think you understand. One of those 5 stars is Robert the other two go to high school in Mississippi. One of them is not allowed to leave the state. The other goes to an Ole Miss pipeline.

The 4 star was planning on going to FSU the whole staff left. Auburn and Alabama never pushed for him and guess what? He is white.

IF you have a friend that is going to that school it is a "tie" thats how you get a kid on campus. Look at Treadwell's other choices UM, OK, OKS. He doesnt have any ties to those schools. The only reason he visited the state of Oklahoma is because he had family there. By the time he made a trip to Oklahoma Ole Miss had alrady won his recruitment.

[GATORAZ]

I love Rivals the most, myself. I am also really partial to ESPN... because, well... it's ESPN.

Scout is downright horrible.

I browse around the 247 rankings, but that's about it.

At the end of the day though, Rivals is tops.

I was just trying to see what atl said about 247. I dont care about any of the ratings I make my own judgement on each prospect. The only one that actually counts is ESPN for perception reasons.

[SPErebel]

Look, let me make my case as simply and as bluntly as I can, for those of you trying to equate 2012 Ole Miss with 1970s Florida.
Ole Miss. Deep South. Severe issues with race. The Rebels. Highly conservative area. Very rural. No clubs, no local attractions. Zero appearances in the SECCG. 6-6 record.
Confederate flags.

Black athletes traditionally do not run to Ole Miss. The only ones that do traditionally have been in-state or Mississippi JUCO players, with few if any other options.

I have to say that you talk like no Ole Miss alum I have ever known. You talk more like a Mississippi State fan....or at least Gregg Doyel, who has had a really intense dislike for Ole Miss ever since he left Oxford, went to UF and hasn't been back really.

Not saying any of your claims about your allegiance to Ole Miss are lies. I'm just saying your words don't back up someone who write checks with five figures to the University. You are also very ignorant of Oxford and the surrounding area for someone with such close ties. And the things going on with improvements for campus.

[ArtDeco]

I have to say that you talk like no Ole Miss alum I have ever known. You talk more like a Mississippi State fan.....

And if you are a Rebel fan like you say you are, I am simply saying that I do not want Ole Miss to have their version of Bobby Collins or Jackie Sherrill. You should know those names, and we don't want to go down that road.

[GATORAZ]

Chris Kiffin ‏@Chris_Kiffin
It's getting close! Any surprises???? We will see.... #SigningDay

[SPErebel]

And if you are a Rebel fan like you say you are, I am simply saying that I do not want Ole Miss to have their version of Bobby Collins or Jackie Sherrill. You should know those names, and we don't want to go down that road.

I don't think you have to be an Ole Miss fan to know those guys.

I just find it as surprising that an Ole Miss alum would say he hopes Dan Mullen turns in Ole Miss for cheating as I would if you as a Gator fan were to say you hope Jimbo Fisher turns in Will Muschamp and the Gators. That's going a step farther than saying I hope we don't have the next Jackal or Bobby Collins or *gasp* Charley Pell on our hands.

[ArtDeco]

I hope we don't have the next Jackal or Bobby Collins or *gasp* Charley Pell on our hands.

Look, friend, you're not on the Clarion Ledger here. And these aren't Bulldogs you're messing with. You want to bring up Coach Pell on a thread about your suspect coach, you will soon find yourself banned. Just some friendly advice.

[atlantagator86]

I was just trying to see what atl said about 247. I dont care about any of the ratings I make my own judgement on each prospect. The only one that actually counts is ESPN for perception reasons.

I used to always follow Scout and Rivals. Scout mostly because GC was once part of it when I was a subscriber. Even though Scout has always been much more favorable to UF, I've ALWAYS considered Rivals to be much more accurate in ranking the talent, and probably the most accurate of all the services -as inaccurate as they ALL are.

I have never really followed the star rankings. I've always gauged a talent mostly based on who's actually recruiting them. I'd much rather have a 3-star kid with offers from OU, Bama and FSU than a 5-star with offers from Pitt, USF and Kansas.

Honestly, I don't know much about 247 for recruiting. I have to assume that's where you reside since you asked the question. I posted over there for a while and was even approached by Franz to try writing some stuff for them before he left but wasn't really interested.

I've never really followed 247 for recruiting. Probably because the way the site works, where as soon as a subscriber posts on any thread, non-subscribers pretty much can't see anything posted from that point on. So I just kind of got turned off by the site.

I've never seen much of anything over there regarding recruiting, since most of it is either posted as subscriber-only or pretty much becomes that as soon as somebody replies. So I guess I just never had anything much to gauge how accurate their recruiting information is.

And I think ESPN, maybe because they worked with Rivals before they started their own, seems to be fairly consistent with Rivals.

[GATORAZ]

I dont reside anywhere but here. I look at offers but care more about what I see on film. A lot of offers kids get are not committable

[SPErebel]

Look, friend, you're not on the Clarion Ledger here. And these aren't Bulldogs you're messing with. You want to bring up Coach Pell on a thread about your suspect coach, you will soon find yourself banned. Just some friendly advice.

I notice that you didn't include the whole post for context. Also notice that it went from "our" coach at Ole Miss to "your" coach.

If I get banned, I get banned. That's the call of the moderators and they certainly have that prerogative. I happen to think they are much more objective and understand that we all have our Billy Brewer or our Charley Pell or our Jackie Sherrill in the long history of each of our respective schools and that, when dealing with the touchy issues of recruiting impropriety, anyone who has gotten a major penalty from the NCAA is likely to be mentioned in a historical perspective.

I make no bones about the fact that Ole Miss holds the top place in my heart. It's in my screen name. It's where I spent five years and got my undergraduate degrees. Make no mistake, though, it doesn't change the fact that I grew up a Gator, went to grad school there before entering the working world and want Florida to win every game played if it's not against the Rebels. It's what happens when you grow up in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium. You can't help but have that become a part of you.

[tideh8rGator]

One interesting question that has not been brought up is the matter of just WHERE Ole Miss would get the $$$ needed to do what many are alluding to.

The whole state of MS is dirt-poor and it possesses virtually no natural resources to hang its hat on. The Ole Miss infrastructure is as Deep South as it gets and there isn't THAT much money left from "plantation" days... LOL essentially none. The negative national image of MS prevents tourism and drives business away. MS is for all intents and purposes, "radioactive" to a large degree to any business and financial development.

The cheating next door in gumpland is financed by coal, steel, construction and maritime interests (and make no mistake, gumpland is FLUSH with cash in the right places) and is compounded by the pathological obsession with their team of record that has been a way of life for decades. Auburn's cheating is a reaction to that and is considered a necessity for survival against the evil empire across the state.

The whole dynamic in MS is different, the 2 state schools hate each other on the level of 2 brothers courting the same girl... not as life-and-death. There is no history or culture of winning at either school, to be sustained "at all costs". And the $$$ is much less available.

Against all that, one must ask where the $$$ would have to come from.

MS made an effort a few years back to change all that, and in the process sold their souls. They have one overriding resource now, and it is actually even more scary than the prospect of cheating itself.... when we consider where the $$$ likely comes from and the involvement in sports at ANY level from that quarter.

Think Memphis. Calipari.

Tunica.

You figure it out from there.


PS: Why all the rumblings from out of nowhere about Dan Mullen's program too...

[ArtDeco]

I notice that you didn't include the whole post for context. Also notice that it went from "our" coach at Ole Miss to "your" coach.

Freeze is not my coach. I never understood the hire, but now it might be making $en$e

[atlantagator86]

I dont reside anywhere but here/ I look at offers but care more about what I see on film. A lot of offers kids get are not committable

So why were you wanting my opinions of 247?

Yes, many offers are not committable and it's not uncommon for the kids to lie about offers, so I don't just go by who the kid says he has offers from.

I've followed recruiting for about 20 years now, even before GC was around. And you can get a pretty good idea of how interested a school really is if you know what to look for. You also get a pretty good feel over time of the things that motivate kids to pick a school, especially those who decide to leave their region.

I'm not really a film guy. I don't claim to be any sort of expert in evaluating talent and I'll leave that to people who are more qualified than me.

[SPErebel]

Freeze is not my coach. I never understood the hire, but now it might be making $en$e

What doesn't make sense is that everything you have said in this thread supports the opposite of what you claim to be. It is a bit mind boggling if you are a relatively significant booster and an alum.

And since I have turned this into a pissing contest as a guest on this board, I will try to bow out without being more of a disruption than I have already been to this point. I apologize to the others reading and visiting the board.

[GATORAZ]

So why were you wanting my opinions of 247?

Yes, many offers are not committable and it's not uncommon for the kids to lie about offers, so I don't just go by who the kid says he has offers from.

I've followed recruiting for about 20 years now, even before GC was around. And you can get a pretty good idea of how interested a school really is if you know what to look for. You also get a pretty good feel over time of the things that motivate kids to pick a school, especially those who decide to leave their region.

I'm not really a film guy. I don't claim to be any sort of expert in evaluating talent and I'll leave that to people who are more qualified than me.

Because you said you didn't like them and I wanted to see what you said. So you follow recruiting for awhile and say you can get a good feel for what motivates kids. What do you think motivates the kids that picked Ole Miss that you claim they are paying? Where do you think they would have gone if Ole miss wasn't paying them?

[ArtDeco]

What doesn't make sense is that everything you have said in this thread supports the opposite of what you claim to be. It is a bit mind boggling if you are a relatively significant booster and an alum.

Who said anything about being a significant booster? I said I supported their academic foundation. You can, too, you know, and I encourage it. Contact the Ole Miss Foundation.
You can support your school without breaking the rules.
What's funny is I remember State fans selling out their morals to Jackie Sherrill...Ole Miss "fans" seem willing to do the same.

[atlantagator86]

One interesting question that has not been brought up is the matter of just WHERE Ole Miss would get the $$$ needed to do what many are alluding to.

First of all, I'm not sure why you're thinking business or industry is involved in recruiting violations. Mostly it's individual boosters and small privately owned businesses.

For example, one of the big suspected violators at Bama is T-Town Menswear. This guy has been using the Bama athletes to promote his store for years. He gets kids to come into the store, sign stuff and take pictures and in return, I presume he gives them clothes, buys them meals and maybe even gives them cash.

Take a look at the photos on the store's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/T-TOWN-MENSWEAR/266785178385). He's got photos of Bama football players signing all kinds of stuff and at restaurants with them. This guy, at least to me, comes off as not even trying to hide it. My guess is that the guy who got Ohio State in trouble was doing almost the exact same thing as this guy.

But these are the guys who are out there paying these kids. It's not the schools or the big businesses in the state. There's a lot more family money in Mississippi that you may realize. And it's probably not Tunica money.

[GATORAZ]

The crazy thing about cheating is people swear Clemson does it but they have lost out on every big time commit this year. Unless you count the Ebenezer Ogundeko Scott Pagano & Jayron Kearse's of the world which I dont

[tideh8rGator]

Do NOT be so quick to discount gaming's influence here.

The pictures Treadwell posted on his Facebook featured the 2 things that he likes about Ole Miss. One, he finds in the Grove and all over that campus. That's well-established.

The other is what Tunica specializes in.

I was in Oxford in '02 when ellie beat us. I remember telling one of the Ole Miss fans there that I was actually from S. Fla., and he proceeded to go into a long-winded description of how dirty recruiting was at the u, he related personal knowledge he had how that Ole Miss was within an eyelash of landing Frank Gore before the u's bling-bling brigade swooped in and $tole him away from them... and how that Ole Miss would do "anything" to start evening the score with the other schools that did things like that in the future. In other words, they would give as good as they got in the cheating department, given sufficient ammunition to fight with.

Not just the under-the-table $$$, but the presence and proximity of gaming is attracting these kids to schools nowadays, I am virtually certain of that.

Ever wonder why ALL OF A SUDDEN, l$u became such an "it" school in the early '00s? For some unknown reason Baton Rouge became The. Place. To. Be. among college recruits. Ever wonder why? What was there? The kids all decided they liked Cajun food all at the same time LOL?

I don't think it was because of satan. It kept RIGHT ON GOING with the mad hatter. In fact they have recruited BETTER under Miles than they ever did w/ satan.

It coincided with the advent of floating casinos along the Mississippi River.

I think Ole Miss and Starkville have both decided to follow the l$u model in order to survive against l$u (whom Ole Miss hates above all others) and the great satan to the adjacent east.

[atlantagator86]

Because you said you didn't like them and I wanted to see what you said. So you follow recruiting for awhile and say you can get a good feel for what motivates kids. What do you think motivates the kids that picked Ole Miss that you claim they are paying? Where do you think they would have gone if Ole miss wasn't paying them?

I said I "Don't even look at 247 ratings". I didn't say I didn't like them. I honestly wasn't even aware that 247 rated kids like that until you mentioned it.

I have also not accused Ole Miss is paying anybody. I don't know what's going on but I definitely think something is not right here.

And what I believe motivates kids to leave their region is exactly what makes me so suspicious. The usually leave because they want to play for an elite team, of because they have a tie to a school (parent went there or they grew up a fan), or because they want to play for a specific coach, or because a parent or mentor/coach is pushing them somewhere, or believe it or not in a few cases it's actually academics.

Some kids look at depth charts and early playing time too, but in most cases, 5-star and #1 in the nation recruits at their position think they'll be starting early wherever they go anyway, so that usually isn't as big a factor for these top kids.

But your point is exactly what throws up the HUGE red flag for me. As far as I'm aware, Ole Miss doesn't have any of these factors for Treadwell or Tunsil or any of the other 6 names I mentioned that are 3, 4 and 5 star recruits who aren't from Mississippi, adjacent states or JUCOs. Nkemdiche is the lone exception and I can understand if Jones and Conner choose Ole Miss as they are in-state.

I really don't know why all these guys are suddenly picking Ole Miss. I'm having a tough time buying that Treadwell decided to go so far from home to play in a mediocre program just to play with a former high school teammate that he may or may not have been all that close with. You may recall cases of that happening, but I don't. And I certainly can't recall a case where a mediocre program who rarely ever recruited outside it's base had 8 guys make what appears to be a similar decision.

I don't have any idea why all of these guys chose Ole Miss. It just doesn't make sense unless there was more to their decision than we know.

[atlantagator86]

The crazy thing about cheating is people swear Clemson does it but they have lost out on every big time commit this year.

I am one who believes Clemson probably cheats. I don't think there's any other explanation for the way they've turned recruits away from elite programs out of nowhere. Clemson, much like Ole Miss, really doesn't have any discernable advantages over schools like UGA or UF. I honestly can't imagine why a guy like Spiller would have picked Clemson over UF, despite his mother's objections, unless there was something more involved.

And I suspect that what may have happened at Clemson this year is the heat was building and they knew they needed to back off or they were going to get caught.

[GATORAZ]

I said I "Don't even look at 247 ratings". I didn't say I didn't like them. I honestly wasn't even aware that 247 rated kids like that until you mentioned it.

I have also not accused Ole Miss is paying anybody. I don't know what's going on but I definitely think something is not right here.

I really don't know why all these guys are suddenly picking Ole Miss. I'm having a tough time buying that Treadwell decided to go so far from home to play in a mediocre program just to play with a former high school teammate that he may or may not have been all that close with. You may recall cases of that happening, but I don't. And I certainly can't recall a case where a mediocre program who rarely ever recruited outside it's base had 8 guys make what appears to be a similar decision.

I don't have any idea why all of these guys chose Ole Miss. It just doesn't make sense unless there was more to their decision than we know.

See this is where I think you are lost, look at the schools Treadwell was looking at Ole Miss, Michigan and the two schools in Oklahoma. Treadwell doesn't have ties to any of those schools BUT Ole Miss. Treadwell is the type kid that doesnt care about academics and he knows he is going to play wherever he goes. The kid just wants to have a good time and get balls thrown his way. I followed this kids whole recruitment and as soon as he started visiting Ole Miss I said that is where he is going cheating or no cheating.

He always said he was going to take visits. He didnt like Michigan's offense and his schools high school games kept him from visiting Oklahoma early.

[GATORAZ]

I am one who believes Clemson probably cheats. I don't think there's any other explanation for the way they've turned recruits away from elite programs out of nowhere. Clemson, much like Ole Miss, really doesn't have any discernable advantages over schools like UGA or UF. I honestly can't imagine why a guy like Spiller would have picked Clemson over UF, despite his mother's objections, unless there was something more involved.

And I suspect that what may have happened at Clemson this year is the heat was building and they knew they needed to back off or they were going to get caught.

Clemson is a small town some kids like that especially these small town Georgia and Carolina kids. It has a SEC like fanbase and good facilities. Do I think they are cheating ? Like I said before it would be naive to think any of the schools in the south are clean especially with things I have heard over the years.

[atlantagator86]

Do NOT be so quick to discount gaming's influence here.

I'm not exactly clear on what you are suggesting in your post. What exactly are you saying Mississippi has that's such an advantage? Alabama and Tennessee have casinos and I'm pretty sure you can hop on a boat in Florida, Georgia or South Carolina and go out to international waters and gamble.

In fact, Milton McGregor who owns Victoryland is an Auburn booster and was supposedly giving Auburn players cash cards at Victoryland. That's a big part of the investigation that's been going on at Auburn.

So I'm not sure I'm understanding what advantage you think Ole Miss has. If gambling is such a major draw for athletes, shouldn't UNLV be national champs?!

I absolutely can see Ole Miss boosters deciding they won't get outbid again and being willing to put up more money. That part I understand.

In all seriousness, I'm sure some athletes enjoy casinos being there for entertainment and some might even pick a school for that reason, but I'm not sure I would go as far as saying LSU was built on casinos. I'm pretty sure Mississippi has had them much longer than Louisiana.

[swampbabe]

I have one question in all of this back and forth, how common is it for a university to outsource their compliance department? This just strikes me as odd. Well, that, and convenient.

[ArtDeco]

I have one question in all of this back and forth, how common is it for a university to outsource their compliance department? This just strikes me as odd. Well, that, and convenient.

I haven't followed this angle very closely. Ole Miss does not have a compliance officer? Surely they must. In the book "Meat Market", the Ole Miss Compliance officer was always on Orgeron's mind and attended alot of the meetings. He seemed like a real thorn in Orgeron's side. I wonder if that guy is still there.

[demosthenes]

There isn't just one compliance officer. I know a guy in USCw compliance and they have quite a few people.

[bantab]

I wonder if people actually watched Ole Miss play this year. They are going to be very competitive in the SEC west

Definitely. Especially with all the great players they're cheating to get. :wink:

[bantab]

Everyone is missing the boat on this one. Let's just assume they're cheating.

How do we help them not get caught?

[swampbabe]

Here is something also interesting pertaining to the claims made in that post. It does appear that Ole Miss contracts with an outside provider called EthicsPoint Inc. to handle "ethics-related matters and NCAA violations". Here it is right here on their compliance site:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/compliance/spec-rel/ole-compliance-for-athletes.html



Read more about EthicsPoint here:

http://www.ethicspoint.com/

As they pertain to Ole Miss:

https://secure.ethicspoint.com/domain/media/en/gui/31500/index.html

This is what I am referring to. Do most schools contract this out or is this an aberration? I honestly have no clue as I have never heard of this before.

[GATORAZ]

chad bumphis ‏@ImSo_BalisMade1
With NSD near, recruits listen. DON'T go with the money! After its gone ur stuck at a place you probably don't even like for 3-5 years!

[SPErebel]

This is what I am referring to. Do most schools contract this out or is this an aberration? I honestly have no clue as I have never heard of this before.

I don't know what most schools do, but that is an additional resource to the Ole Miss compliance office and not a replacement to a compliance office.

[atlantagator86]

chad bumphis ‏@ImSo_BalisMade1
With NSD near, recruits listen. DON'T go with the money! After its gone ur stuck at a place you probably don't even like for 3-5 years!

Wow! Is this a confession! ;)

[ArtDeco]

SPE should know that Bumphis is the Miss State WR. Is he referring to his own history, or is he talking about another school in Mississippi?
BTW, just saw where Southern Miss, with a new dynamic offensive minded HC from Okie State, is pulling in tons of 2 star athletes. Didn't know there were such things as two star athletes. MSU with offensive guru Dan Mullen is pulling in mostly 3 stars from in-state or adjacent states. Ole Miss is pulling in top recruits, 4 and 5 stars, away from Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU. One of these things is not like the other.

[GATORAZ]

Mark Schlabach ‏@Mark_Schlabach
Laremy Tunsil's coach: "Once you start getting a lot of people w/their hands in the cookie jar, it's hard for kid to make a good decision."

I will say Tunsil's coach went to FSU and played for Mark Richt and was pushing him to FSU or UGA

[themistocles]

Well, you know things have fallen into the bottom of the pit when the Good Old Southern Gentlemen of Mississippi stoop to illicit things other than Chawing Tobacco.

Just kiddin.

If it happened a couple of years in a row, like Clemson, for example, then I would ask questions, but one year, for one kid - doesn't seem very indicative.