Jamarcus Russell > Tim Tebow ????

[exiledgator]

Listening to talk radio on my way back from a meeting and heard that the Jets are looking at Jamarcus Russell. :whoa: :eek: :mad: :confused:

[Bradass]

Wow. Just wow.

[your_perfect_enemy]

it's a good start to winning the headlines again. they brought this up the other day on Mike and Mike (I think) we're 5 days away from the super bowl and here we are talking about the jets because ot their drama. I hope they sign him.

What a pathetic headline grabbing joke of an organization.

[tilly]

As a Phins fan...I found this news delicious. (Not for Tim)

...but I can only dream that the Jets somehow pin their hopes on Russell.

[Gatorrick22]

Morons.

[atlantagator86]

Apparently, Russell has straightened out his act and is making a comeback. I don't think anyone ever questioned his physical skills. His problems were all in his head. We'll see what happens.

[Jaggator]

Russell is terrible and one of the biggest NFL busts. Hasn't played since 2009. He has a strong arm but is inaccurate. The Jets don't have a clue if they're entertaining the thought of bringing him back.

At least Tebow lead his team to the playoffs.

[Swampmaster]

as long as they got plenty of purple drank up in the ny clubs, jamarcus will be happy

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Probably smart, actually, for a few reasons:

1. Jamarcus will be had for pennies on the dollar. He will undoubtedly make the league minimum if he's picked up.

2. If he is indeed a 2nd or 3rd stringer, he will at least fit in with their offense skill-set-wise. Tebow would flourish best with an offense devoted to his (and similar QBs') talents.

[Gatorrick22]

Apparently, Russell has straightened out his act and is making a comeback. I don't think anyone ever questioned his physical skills. His problems were all in his head. We'll see what happens.

Good, but you can fix stupid.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Tim Tebow made just shy of $2MM to sit on the bench, with little intent to actually use him.

I believe Russell would be requalified as a rookie for salary, but even if not we're talking $375K -> $500K in salary.

If I'm going to have someone sit on the bench, might as well pay him 25% what I was paying the other guy.

[nawlinsgator]

Is Jamarcus even under 300 pounds yet?

[Jaggator]

Russell's claim to fame is throwing a football 83 yards...but struggles making accurate timing passes.

[Sylez_G_Koolaid]

Da Jets payroll is all f'd up. They're finna be almost $20 million over the salary cap. Gotta find some cheap players.

[GatorAvatar]

Apparently, Russell has straightened out his act and is making a comeback. I don't think anyone ever questioned his physical skills. His problems were all in his head. We'll see what happens.

How has he fixed his mental issues?

[your_perfect_enemy]

Is Jamarcus even under 300 pounds yet?

One of the stories I read said he had lost a whole 12 pounds from his peak of 320, so I would guess not.

[geauxgator1]

Good, but you can fix stupid.

:happy:

Jamarcus Russel, this will make the Jets fanbase happy! I was conflicted when TT went there, now I can go back to despising the Jets and their fanbase.

[gymgator]

nawlins,
NO. Russel'c comeback talked about how he was working out and is down from 330lb to like 306lb. It is a joke.

[geauxgator1]

Mel Kiper says the kid can play..no doubt he'll be great.

[Gatorrick22]

:happy:

Jamarcus Russel, this will make the Jets fanbase happy! I was conflicted when TT went there, now I can go back to despising the Jets and their fanbase.

Here, here!

[WDGator]

as long as they got plenty of purple drank up in the ny clubs, jamarcus will be happy

Lol I can't think of anything other than the purple drank when it comes to Russell

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[Nicho]

Lol I can't think of anything other than the purple drank when it comes to Russell

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Even at the league minimum salary, he can buy lots of jolly ranchers.

[hoss007]

perfect for the jEtS.......they are the clowns of the NFL for sure!

[MtownGator]

This has got to be a joke lol

[gtr2x]

Good for him, he could use a paycheck.

[GunGator]

Jets, making the Jags look smart...well almost.

[rican35]

it's a good start to winning the headlines again. they brought this up the other day on Mike and Mike (I think) we're 5 days away from the super bowl and here we are talking about the jets because ot their drama. I hope they sign him.

What a pathetic headline grabbing joke of an organization.

I agree first tebow and now russell, instead of getting a real QB they are just signing players for media attention.

[hgators]

I love Ja'turnover!

[geauxgator1]

He could likely challenge Sanchez right away for buttfumbles.

[Tebowism0823]

Good, but you can fix stupid.

That's what Ron White days at least. I tend to agree. Russell is a joke!

[Tebowism0823]

Tim Tebow made just shy of $2MM to sit on the bench, with little intent to actually use him.

I believe Russell would be requalified as a rookie for salary, but even if not we're talking $375K -> $500K in salary.

If I'm going to have someone sit on the bench, might as well pay him 25% what I was paying the other guy.

It'd be nice if that person was actually playing though.

[Tebowism0823]

I agree first tebow and now russell, instead of getting a real QB they are just signing players for media attention.

Speaking of attention whores. Nice to see you troll boy!

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I don't know that it's ever really ideal to have your backup QB playing. The backup is exactly that; a contingency.

The problem with Tebow (although increasingly less so), is that his skills demand a specific offense, one that does not gel with a Sanchez or a Jamarcus Russell. So either way you have one square peg on the depth chart.

[GatorLaw]

I was never all that impressed with Russell as a college QB, I was surprised that all the draftniks rated him so highly. Whether he's cleaned up his act/head or not, I don't think he has what it takes to be even a decent NFL QB.

[DawgFanFromAlabam]

Russell's claim to fame is throwing a football 83 yards...but struggles making accurate timing passes.

Tebow - 47.9% career completion rate
Russell - 51.2% career completion rate

[ThePlayer]

Apparently, Russell has straightened out his act and is making a comeback. I don't think anyone ever questioned his physical skills. His problems were all in his head. We'll see what happens.

He'll fit right in with Rex Ryan then. :wave:

[Gatorrick22]

Speaking of attention whores. Nice to see you troll boy!

+1

[qwghlmgator]

There's an NFL team stupider than the Jags. Yay!

[ufgator4ever]

JaMarcus 'More Money, More PURPLE DRANK, b÷atch!

[Gatorrick22]

There's an NFL team stupider than the Jags. Yay!

:laugh::yes:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

There's an NFL team stupider than the Jags. Yay!

While this joke has already been made, is it necessarily true?

The Jags paid $4MM for their 2 QBs and the Jets paid 5.5MM for a starter and a rare wildcat QB that couldn't really be easily implemented into their offense. Pushing McCarron up to backup and adding Russel for pennies on the dollar makes a lot of sense.

[Gatorrick22]

While this joke has already been made, is it necessarily true?

The Jags paid $4MM for their 2 QBs and the Jets paid 5.5MM for a starter and a rare wildcat QB that couldn't really be easily implemented into their offense. Pushing McCarron up to backup and adding Russel for pennies on the dollar makes a lot of sense.

The one that they never used! = THAT'S THE STUPIDITY.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Maybe, maybe not.

The reality is if you are going to have Tim Tebow on your roster, you better be prepared to run a Tebow-friendly offense, which means 3 QBs that can run it. That's the case whether Tebow's the starter, the #2 or the #3.

Shoehorning him into a traditional offense is a recipe for disaster, as would be shoehorning someone like Sanchez into something that worked to the talents of a improvising, mobile QB.

I'd say the Jets were stupid for signing Tebow more than not playing him. If they signed him, adapted a spreadish offense and then didn't play him, that'd be a different story.

[gatormoe1]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/jets-say-they-have-no-interest-in-jamarcus-russell/

PFT’s Mike Florio has been advised that the Jets have no interest in adding Russell to their current group of quarterbacks. It says plenty about that group of quarterbacks that a suggestion of adding Russell doesn’t sound completely out of whack, but it’s not surprising to learn that the Jets’ search might focus on players who have actually been playing football for the last three years.

[Gatorrick22]

Maybe, maybe not.

The reality is if you are going to have Tim Tebow on your roster, you better be prepared to run a Tebow-friendly offense, which means 3 QBs that can run it. That's the case whether Tebow's the starter, the #2 or the #3.

Shoehorning him into a traditional offense is a recipe for disaster, as would be shoehorning someone like Sanchez into something that worked to the talents of a improvising, mobile QB.

I'd say the Jets were stupid for signing Tebow more than not playing him. If they signed him, adapted a spreadish offense and then didn't play him, that'd be a different story.


Tebow ran the Orton (in Denver) pass friendly offense the last three games of his rookie year just fine. I see no need for teams to change that.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Tebow ran the Orton (in Denver) pass friendly offense the last three games of his rookie year just fine. I see no need for teams to change that.

Go back and watch that tape. Denver had implemented a bunch of the spread even then. As bad as it was for Tebow in Denver, they at least had a small subset offense for him.

[Gatorrick22]

Go back and watch that tape. Denver had implemented a bunch of the spread even then. As bad as it was for Tebow in Denver, they at least had a small subset offense for him.

The pro-spread is now the norm in the NFL, so I see Tebow in any pro-spread, or spread-read offense doing okay. All that might be needed is a tweak or two, but nothing whole-sale.

[tegator80]

Let's just say that the Tebow experiment with the Jets is over. He (and us) just need to move on to the next opportunity. And I have no doubt that he will sign with someone and he will be glad to get away from that mess.

[qwghlmgator]

While this joke has already been made, is it necessarily true?

The Jags paid $4MM for their 2 QBs and the Jets paid 5.5MM for a starter and a rare wildcat QB that couldn't really be easily implemented into their offense. Pushing McCarron up to backup and adding Russel for pennies on the dollar makes a lot of sense.

Is that you Gene Smith? Wondered what you'd been doing lately... :wave:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I don't agree with it, but I also wouldn't agree with shoehorning Tebow into an offense where he won't excel.

[Tebowism0823]

I don't know that it's ever really ideal to have your backup QB playing. The backup is exactly that; a contingency.

The problem with Tebow (although increasingly less so), is that his skills demand a specific offense, one that does not gel with a Sanchez or a Jamarcus Russell. So either way you have one square peg on the depth chart.

Well I realize that and I should've been more clear. Russell hasn't played in how many years? My point is there are plenty of backups or even draft picks they could sign that have been playing. This is another PR stunt to try and keep the sorry ass jets in the spotlight.

Actually now that I think about it, maybe they deserve each other.

[Tebowism0823]

Tebow - 47.9% career completion rate
Russell - 51.2% career completion rate

Why don't you compare w/l records.

[Tebowism0823]

While this joke has already been made, is it necessarily true?

The Jags paid $4MM for their 2 QBs and the Jets paid 5.5MM for a starter and a rare wildcat QB that couldn't really be easily implemented into their offense. Pushing McCarron up to backup and adding Russel for pennies on the dollar makes a lot of sense.

How does adding a bust of a QB who hasn't played make sense?

[DawgFanFromAlabam]

Why don't you compare w/l records.

Because it doesn't pertain to the statement I was responding to, that Russell couldn't throw an accurate pass...and thus not worthy of another shot in the NFL. Tebow has an even worse problem with accuracy but lots of folks seem to think he deserves yet another shot.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

How does adding a bust of a QB who hasn't played make sense?

How does paying someone $2MM to sit on the bench make sense?

At least this is cheaper.

[atlantagator86]

I think what some people here may not realize is that chances are that nobody, including the Jets, is going to sign Russell with the expectation of him competing for the starting role.

More than likely, he'll be invited to camp like an unsigned free agent to show what he can do. If they like what they see, that team or maybe another team that likes what they see will sign him.

He's a low risk, potentially high reward guy. Why not give him a chance?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Exactly. Worst case you say "no thanks, tubby."

Best case, you've got a dirt cheap backup.

[Tebowism0823]

Because it doesn't pertain to the statement I was responding to, that Russell couldn't throw an accurate pass...and thus not worthy of another shot in the NFL. Tebow has an even worse problem with accuracy but lots of folks seem to think he deserves yet another shot.

Well it's no secret his passing needs to improve but his accuracy % is a little flawed. No excuses but his receivers didn't exactly help him in that regard.

[Tebowism0823]

How does paying someone $2MM to sit on the bench make sense?

At least this is cheaper.

It doesn't and I never said it did. That still doesn't make the Russell move smart. Since when is a half a million dollar investment on a bust of a player worth taking? He's already proven he can't hack it. As I stated its just another PR stunt.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

My point is, if you're going to have someone who's just taking up a roster spot and won't play anyway, might as well :

1. Pay much, much less for him
and
2. At least have his skillset better match the offense

[rican35]

Well it's no secret his passing needs to improve but his accuracy % is a little flawed. No excuses but his receivers didn't exactly help him in that regard.

those receivers didnt have any problems catching peyton passes

[Tebowism0823]

those receivers didnt have any problems catching peyton passes

I realize your only reason for being here is to stir the pot but ill play. Which receivers would that be? Did you watch any of the games Tebow played in? Did Denver not being in more weapons for Peyton? Did you see the numerous drops by Thomas? I'm not making excuses, and I'm definitely not comparing Tim to Peyton, but to ignore the facts is something only a hater would do.

[Tebowism0823]

My point is, if you're going to have someone who's just taking up a roster spot and won't play anyway, might as well :

1. Pay much, much less for him
and
2. At least have his skillset better match the offense

I swear I'm not just trying to argue, and ill agree with your first point, but what skill-set are we speaking of? Russell has already busted out of the NFL.

[superman2318]

nawlins,
NO. Russel'c comeback talked about how he was working out and is down from 330lb to like 306lb. It is a joke.

Maybe he is coming back as an OT? he is 6'5....Just sayin

[atlantagator86]

I swear I'm not just trying to argue, and ill agree with your first point, but what skill-set are we speaking of? Russell has already busted out of the NFL.

Russell had NFL skills. Nobody ever questioned that. All his problems were off-field distractions that kept him from focusing on football, mostly codeine and probably other drugs.

Something else to keep in mind is Lane Kiffen was his head coach the first 2 years in Oakland. Put a troubled kid like that on a team with Kiffen and that's a sure recipe for disaster.

I have no idea whether or not Russell has been able to put all that behind him. I doubt anybody knows for sure. But if he has and he's now mature enough to really focus on football, he's still young enough at 27 that he can have an impact. If he was willing to come to camp as an unsigned free agent, I'd give him a chance.

[Gatorrick22]

Why don't you compare w/l records.

Because he's dog fan.

[GatorPrincess8]

That's stupid. Tebow won playoff games in denver. Manning hasn't even done that.

[Tebowism0823]

Russell had NFL skills. Nobody ever questioned that. All his problems were off-field distractions that kept him from focusing on football, mostly codeine and probably other drugs.

Something else to keep in mind is Lane Kiffen was his head coach the first 2 years in Oakland. Put a troubled kid like that on a team with Kiffen and that's a sure recipe for disaster.

I have no idea whether or not Russell has been able to put all that behind him. I doubt anybody knows for sure. But if he has and he's now mature enough to really focus on football, he's still young enough at 27 that he can have an impact. If he was willing to come to camp as an unsigned free agent, I'd give him a chance.

Russell had college skills. Never showed anything in the NFL to merit NFL skills. I'll concede that this would work out for him should he manage to make the roster. He is broke after all.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

He certainly had backup worthy skills in the NFL and had a totally respectable second season.

[OaktownGator]

Russell has an NFL arm... and a purple head.

[DawgFanFromAlabam]

Because he's dog fan.

Because a QB is not solely responsible for W/L. Of course, he's also not solely responsible for completion % either but certainly has a larger impact on the latter. Overthrowing and underthrowing WRs (something both Tebow and Russell did a lot) is a better gauge of the ability to throw an accurate pass - which is the statement I was commenting on. Discard it if you wish because it came from a rival - doesn't make it any less true.

Want to turn it into a different conversation about W/L records? OK. Tebow a winner, on and off the field. I admire and like Tebow (and have told the story of how he brought joy to my dying mothers' life. However he is only 8-6 in the pros, but thats much better than Russell's losing record. I'd argue the Broncos were a much better team than the Raiders too. OK, or is that garbage too because I don't have "gator" in my username?