Wonder what happened wrt Chic Fil A?

[QGator2414]

Here Here!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html

"Throughout the conversations Dan expressed a sincere interest in my life, wanting to get to know me on a personal level. He wanted to know about where I grew up, my faith, my family, even my husband, Tommy. In return, I learned about his wife and kids and gained an appreciation for his devout belief in Jesus Christ and his commitment to being "a follower of Christ" more than a "Christian." Dan expressed regret and genuine sadness when he heard of people being treated unkindly in the name of Chick-fil-a --but he offered no apologies for his genuine beliefs about marriage."

[kygator]

Pretty good read.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Where? Where?

[QGator2414]

Where? Where?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html

??? :)

[DaveFla]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shane-l-windmeyer/dan-cathy-chick-fil-a_b_2564379.html

??? :)

BOB is displaying some of that liberal nuance he insists that he does not posess. What you wrote is actually spelled "hear hear!"

[QGator2414]

BOB is displaying some of that liberal nuance he insists that he does not posess. What you wrote is actually spelled "hear hear!"

True.

But in the gatorcountry forum could not "here here" work better than "hear hear" (the standard) since there is no vocal communication but a calling to the location of a site with good content? :)

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Dave's just mad he was unable to give me some of his patented "comedy lessons" in this thread. :laugh:

[Emmitto]

I don't know of a single person who either boycotted or made this joint a regular visit over this issue. And I'm glad about that.

I personally love that they're closed on Sundays and I'm am decidedly non-religious. I also am not threatened by same sex marriage in any way but philosophically I support an organization's right to vocalize opposition to this and pretty much any other issue and let the chips fall where they may.

But thank goodness these non-issues exist to provide non-news for the booming non-news channel business.

[Pablo]

You mean it isn't hear here?

[QGator2414]

You mean it isn't hear here?

:)

[The_Ultimate_Gator]

What a great example of Christian values Dan Cathy has set through the actions illustrated in the article. We should all strive to be so humble and respectful of our neighbors, no matter who they are.

[CHFG8R]

I don't know of a single person who either boycotted or made this joint a regular visit over this issue. And I'm glad about that.

I personally love that they're closed on Sundays and I'm am decidedly non-religious. I also am not threatened by same sex marriage in any way but philosophically I support an organization's right to vocalize opposition to this and pretty much any other issue and let the chips fall where they may.

But thank goodness these non-issues exist to provide non-news for the booming non-news channel business.

Hear! Hear! Especially this (bolded).

Ah respect for others. Soon to be on the political extinction list.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Excellent read.

[wgbgator]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

[MichiGator2002]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

Even if it is as you say, hyperbole notwithstanding, nothing wrong or contradictory in it. People cheat on their spouses, are impersonable bastards, whatever about them sets you off, you can still treat them respectfully and civilly, even genuinely respect them in some context.

[The_Ultimate_Gator]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

Don't know if you're just trying to make a joke, but that's not the tone I got from the article at all. Seems like Cathy made a sincere effort to make amends, even if his own personal beliefs conflict with the viewpoints of gay rights activists. Hell, he even quietly showed that Chick-Fil-A stopped supporting the militant anti-gay organizations. He put his money where his mouth was - and not publicly. That speaks volumes about his integrity.

[wgbgator]

Don't know if you're just trying to make a joke, but that's not the tone I got from the article at all. Seems like Cathy made a sincere effort to make amends, even if his own personal beliefs conflict with the viewpoints of gay rights activists. Hell, he even quietly showed that Chick-Fil-A stopped supporting the militant anti-gay organizations. He put his money where his mouth was - and not publicly. That speaks volumes about his integrity.

I think it speaks more of his business sense than integrity.

[wgbgator]

Even if it is as you say, hyperbole notwithstanding, nothing wrong or contradictory in it. People cheat on their spouses, are impersonable bastards, whatever about them sets you off, you can still treat them respectfully and civilly, even genuinely respect them in some context.

Sure. I mean, I didnt think he was a monster. Most people aren't, despite their prejudices and bigotry. Other than image & brand rehab, I'm not sure what the purpose of an article like this is.

Edit: Incidentaly, a friend of mine picked up on this an mentioned he might be lifting his self-imposed ban on Chick-Fil-a. Seems the image rehab is working. :)

[DaveFla]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

Is there a problem with this? Do you, for instance care what I think of you? Do you think I care what you think of me?

[wgbgator]

Is there a problem with this? Do you, for instance care what I think of you? Do you think I care what you think of me?

I think this line of questioning does indicate that you care what I think to some extent. ;)

[CHFG8R]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

So? Did he tell them they would burn for eternity? Is he not allowed to believe what he wants so long as those beliefs and his actions aren't detrimental to others? Did stating his opinion on Gay Marriage hurt people (really, not just their sensibilities)? Does he openly discriminate against gays in the workplace?

What has he done to earn so much of your (and your comrades) ire? Is he not entitled to his opinion? Ever consider that his opinion may not be based on a sense of mean spiritedness but on a sincere belief on his part that they will burn in hell and that he doesn't want them to burn in hell?

Is it so hard to, as Atticus Finch said so perfectly, "walk in a man's shoes" and try to understand exactly where they are coming from and to respect their right to hold a different position than yourself? Or is everything to you people a political poop-throwing contest?

[MichiGator2002]

Sure. I mean, I didnt think he was a monster. Most people aren't, despite their prejudices and bigotry. Other than image & brand rehab, I'm not sure what the purpose of an article like this is.

Edit: Incidentaly, a friend of mine picked up on this an mentioned he might be lifting his self-imposed ban on Chick-Fil-a. Seems the image rehab is working. :)

I think that the large part of folk who disapprove of homosexuality, and actually know and interact with homosexuals, simply compartmentalize it as the thing about them they don't approve of. Like knowing someone who is a problem drinker, or a philanderer, or skims the till, or pirates software, or whatever you have a moral objection to. None of these are things that make typical people write someone off altogether. Even when it is mutually understood between them, even.

A couple women I know got "married", my parentheses, obviously, and I was happy for them that they felt like making a public declaration of whatever they share. But, I never did call it a marriage and I don't now. They can no more be married than a man can get a hysterectomy. They know I can't and won't. Doesn't mean I wouldn't seat them together at an invitation dinner. Same way, again, you might treat someone who has whacked up with someone else's wife. You either are going to sever social ties or make some accommodation. You don't hate them.

Now, left-leaning people are the unchallenged kings of letting politics interfere with social niceties (heard stat quoted, something like twice as likely to sever a friendship over politics? Goes right back to the central schism of conservatives thinking liberals are wrong and liberals thinking conservatives are evil), so I have many times been put upon, like "Julie and Sarah are getting married, isn't that great?", with this air of hoping to start a fight. "I'm glad they are happy together", I demur.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

Is homosexual behavior a serious enough of a sin to send a person to hell? I ask because I am a somewhat religious person, but by no means steeped in Christian Theology. From a strictly religious standpoint, I view homosexual behavior with no more alarm than premarital sex. Shoot, in my mind, breaking one's marriage vows is more of a sin than homosexual behavior.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I think it speaks more of his business sense than integrity.

I don't think so. For example, his businesses do not open on Sundays. If his action s were driven strictly from a business perspective, he would not fail to open his stores on a day he could rationally expect to be very busy.

Besides, business actually picked up after his pronouncement.

[wgbgator]

So? Did he tell them they would burn for eternity? Is he not allowed to believe what he wants so long as those beliefs and his actions aren't detrimental to others? Did stating his opinion on Gay Marriage hurt people (really, not just their sensibilities)? Does he openly discriminate against gays in the workplace?

What has he done to earn so much of your (and your comrades) ire? Is he not entitled to his opinion? Ever consider that his opinion may not be based on a sense of mean spiritedness but on a sincere belief on his part that they will burn in hell and that he doesn't want them to burn in hell?

Is it so hard to, as Atticus Finch said so perfectly, "walk in a man's shoes" and try to understand exactly where they are coming from and to respect their right to hold a different position than yourself? Or is everything to you people a political poop-throwing contest?

He hasnt earned my ire. I'm just not sure why behaving respectfully in a civil society is worthy of praise. I mean, that's what you should be doing. But I guess that's how that's our participation trophy society works. While we're at it, why don't we start a thread praising posters who've never been banned from Too Hot? I demand recognition and validation for my civility! :)

[g8trdoc]

Followers of Christ have no basis of belief that homosexuality or any sin will send you to hell on it's own. There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

[QGator2414]

Sure. I mean, I didnt think he was a monster. Most people aren't, despite their prejudices and bigotry. Other than image & brand rehab, I'm not sure what the purpose of an article like this is.

Edit: Incidentaly, a friend of mine picked up on this an mentioned he might be lifting his self-imposed ban on Chick-Fil-a. Seems the image rehab is working. :)

Maybe a nice get away from the non news hyperbole we always get?

The best way to find out would be to ask the huffpo or Shane the writer...

[QGator2414]

Followers of Christ have no basis of belief that homosexuality or any sin will send you to hell on it's own. There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

Yep!

[CHFG8R]

He hasnt earned my ire. I'm just not sure why behaving respectfully in a civil society is worthy of praise. I mean, that's what you should be doing. But I guess that's how that's our participation trophy society works. While we're at it, why don't we start a thread praising posters who've never been banned from Too Hot? I demand recognition and validation for my civility! :)

Then stop being snarky about it and address the issue. The statement I responded to was completely unnecessary and existed, it seems, only to score some political point. I think the man was very honest and forthright about his motivations and, agree with his view re. homosexuality or not, seems like a decent person.

Why not just tip the cap and move on?

[DaveFla]

I think this line of questioning does indicate that you care what I think to some extent. ;)

You'd be wrong.

[LittleBlueLW]

I think it speaks more of his business sense than integrity.

Based on the simple fact that his restaurant is a huge success by anyone's measure, it is safe to say his business sense is well above that of his internet critics.

[Lawdog88]

I think that the large part of folk who disapprove of homosexuality, and actually know and interact with homosexuals, simply compartmentalize it as the thing about them they don't approve of. Like knowing someone who is a problem drinker, or a philanderer, or skims the till, or pirates software, or whatever you have a moral objection to. None of these are things that make typical people write someone off altogether. Even when it is mutually understood between them, even.

A couple women I know got "married", my parentheses, obviously, and I was happy for them that they felt like making a public declaration of whatever they share. But, I never did call it a marriage and I don't now. They can no more be married than a man can get a hysterectomy. They know I can't and won't. Doesn't mean I wouldn't seat them together at an invitation dinner. Same way, again, you might treat someone who has whacked up with someone else's wife. You either are going to sever social ties or make some accommodation. You don't hate them.

Now, left-leaning people are the unchallenged kings of letting politics interfere with social niceties (heard stat quoted, something like twice as likely to sever a friendship over politics? Goes right back to the central schism of conservatives thinking liberals are wrong and liberals thinking conservatives are evil), so I have many times been put upon, like "Julie and Sarah are getting married, isn't that great?", with this air of hoping to start a fight. "I'm glad they are happy together", I demur.


This is absolutely the truth in describing how strongly-held views on the homosexual issue work out in the context of real life.

Well said - again - MG.

[92gator]

Shorter version: He's respectful of people he thinks will burn in hell for eternity.

Or maybe he figures--as Christianity teaches--that there's always hope of redemption, as long as they're still alive. All they have to do, is repent, and forgiveness is theirs for the taking.

"Love they sinner, hate the sin".

...I don't know why that's so hard for neo-libbies to grasp--actually, I guess I do--neo-libbyism is founded on the cult of personality--neo-libbie's are simply incapable of divorcing any issue at all, from the person; they define all ppl. by their beliefs and their issues, and decide that anyone who side with them on 'the issues' is worthy of exultation, deification, and adoration--(and forgiveness of virtually any wrongdoing--e.g.--President Billybob/perjury--among so many others)--and conversely, they despise, villify, and seek to condmemn virtually anyone who would dare oppose them on the issues--notwithstanding any other redeeming qualities.