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gator996
01-29-2013, 03:21 AM
As austerity voices here act as though the economic conditions of 2008-09 haven't improved in this country....

What has austerity brought?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/25/davos-world-economic-forum-george-soros-issues-euro-warning.html

Davos World Economic Forum: George Soros Issues Euro Warning
by Daniel Gross Jan 25, 2013


At the World Economic Forum, you can sit in on dozens of panel discussions and hear different varieties of the same economic conventional wisdom, rendered in generally bland rhetoric. But Soros has a few contrary views, and a willingness to air them forthrightly.


That’s not surprising, given his personal history, but Soros also has a few positive things to say about Germany and its performance in the rolling European crisis. By intervening in government debt markets—only after German Chancellor Angela Merkel agreed—the European Central Bank may have saved the currency, but damaged the continent that uses it. “Germany did the minimum that was necessary to save the euro,” he said.


The result now is that the euro zone is effectively divided into creditors (countries like Germany, Holland, and the Scandinavian countries) and debtors (Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland). “The creditors are in charge, and are unfortunately arguing for a policy of austerity, which is counterproductive,” he said. While the ECB and IMF have made budget cuts and tax increases a condition of receiving aid, he notes, “You can’t reduce excessive debt by reducing the GNP.” He said austerity is pushing the euro zone into recession, which will further aggravate political tensions.

There are also problems brewing between Europe and other developed countries, with Soros citing evidence of what he calls “an incipient war in currencies.” Virtually alone among developed economies, Europe’s central bank is not engaging in quantitative easing. After years of stagnation, Japan has elected a government that is finally pushing for (and getting) more aggressive monetary policy. The goal is to make the yen weaker against other countries’ currencies, which will boost exports. “This is something of a direct challenge to Germany,” Soros said, because Japan and Germany compete for high-end exports. (A weaker yen gives a Japanese-made Lexus an advantage over a German-made BMW.) “The divergence between the Japanese yen and the euro will be aggravated, and that will have a negative effect on Germany’s performance,” Soros predicted. The result: potential rising tensions between Germany and Japan.

Other sources of volatility include China, where a rise in personal political expression may lead to repression, or may be channeled into external conflicts with countries like Japan. “The Japan-China conflict is already one of the sharpest ones in the world,” he said. And Soros has particularly harsh words for Russia. “Investing in Russia, I think, is a big mistake.” The Putin regime, he said, “doesn’t respect the rule of law.” As a result, Russia is suffering capital flight and brain drain, and is growing weaker. “So I think Putin has to cling to power because it the only place he can feel safe; for his personal safety,” he said. “Inevitably, things are moving, and I think Russia will open up, but not necessarily in my lifetime."

mastoidbone
01-29-2013, 07:34 AM
i dont totally disagree with him---but he misses the point---austerity does NOT make you richer---it allows you to keep borrowing money and avoid a default. In fact austerity has not gone far enough and labor markets are still rigid and fixed.
But the most important metric here is borrowing rates-----which have dropped by over 50% in the nations that have tried to cut spending-----had they not----they would be shut out of the markets and the cities would be dark at night and cold........

gator996
01-29-2013, 09:13 AM
Respectfully, I'll go out on a limb and say that Soros isn't missing any point here...

Personally, I think he is a little over dramatic (negatively) about global prospects but the downside risk he describes in such colorful terms is a very real possibility...

The only difference in Soros & conservatives is who they blame that bleak future on...

PSGator66
01-29-2013, 09:36 AM
Soros is the pupet master for Obama and the left wing agenda.

108
01-29-2013, 09:43 AM
Soros is the pupet master for Obama and the left wing agenda.

i wouldn't call someone who donated a measly $1 million to be a "puppet master", but carry on Sean Hannity :wave:

madgator
01-29-2013, 03:52 PM
Soros has a vested interest in the destruction of the fiat currency systems. He is heavily invested in precious metals and to achieve his statist one world government agenda he needs to have the complete breakdown of the system and the resulting chaos.

this is not a man looking out for the best interests of society at large. he is a man who has his idea of what is in the best interests of society for his best interests.

and he LOVES Obama!

wgbgator
01-29-2013, 04:03 PM
Soros has a vested interest in the destruction of the fiat currency systems. He is heavily invested in precious metals and to achieve his statist one world government agenda he needs to have the complete breakdown of the system and the resulting chaos.
this is not a man looking out for the best interests of society at large. he is a man who has his idea of what is in the best interests of society for his best interests.

and he LOVES Obama!

I really don't know much about Soros' investments, but if this is correct, how does being against fiat currency and pro-metal make him different from Ron Paul?

gatorpa
01-29-2013, 04:44 PM
Soros has a vested interest in the destruction of the fiat currency systems. He is heavily invested in precious metals and to achieve his statist one world government agenda he needs to have the complete breakdown of the system and the resulting chaos.

this is not a man looking out for the best interests of society at large. he is a man who has his idea of what is in the best interests of society for his best interests.

and he LOVES Obama!

Didn't Soros almost singlehandedly crush the British Pound a number of years ago?
Wealth is good as long as he is the one with it.

madgator
01-30-2013, 03:41 AM
Didn't Soros almost singlehandedly crush the British Pound a number of years ago?
Wealth is good as long as he is the one with it.


yes he most certainly did.....tried again with the US currency about a decade ago. wasn't exactly successful on the same level but certainly made a good bit of money when he employed his strategy starting in 2002.