Comparing 2007 to 2013

[Apeman]

Bleacher Report made an interesting comparison. I still contend that 2007 would beat 2013 handily. They were one of the best teams in the history of college basketball, not just UF.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1500530-florida-gators-most-talented-team-2007-or-2013

[Jonas]

Damn, I completely disagree with all their comparisons except I'd probably take Rosario over Hodge.

[Apeman]

Damn, I completely disagree with all their comparisons except I'd probably take Rosario over Hodge.

Agreed, the breakdown itself is not very well thought out. However, I thought it was interesting that they published an article about that.

[rserina]

Man was that a terrible analysis. This team definitely has the advantage of 2005-06, but 2006-07 was an absolutely different animal. You can't discount the experience and developed chemistry of that latter team. Their argument would fit better if they were talking about the first national title squad.

[Apeman]

Man was that a terrible analysis. This team definitely has the advantage of 2005-06, but 2006-07 was an absolutely different animal. You can't discount the experience and developed chemistry of that latter team. Their argument would fit better if they were talking about the first national title squad.

That's a great point.

[gatormann]

Very true In a lot of ways the 04s really came of age in the NCAA tournament (1st championship) and were a much better team the following season. Rebounding, for example, was an issue for much of the 2005-2006 year but the Gators dominated the boards during their second championship season.

[themistocles]

One thing he noted, which was absolutely TRUE, was that the 2006/07 team, just like the 2005/06 team was precisely 7 deep. Not 8 - Speights and Moss (in 05/06) only came in in times of absolute necessity.

The 2013 team is, when everyone is healthy, is 8 deep - which is a nice advantage. This was the reason that both in 2006 and 2007, toward the end of the SEC Grind, Green was worn out, because although Hodge was a decent player, he was not a true PG, so there was no real substitute for Green. Of course, this year's team lacks a sub for the front guys if Yeguete plays the 3.

It probably was a better comparison between 2005/06 and this team than 2006/07 - However, one thing they had very much in common was injuries/illness. You may recall that Noah played the end of the 06/07 year at perhaps 70%.

The most important similarity, in my opinion, is the fact that both of these teams were very experienced: 2 Seniors & 4 Juniors in 06/07, and 3 Seniors & 4 Juniors this year.

[gatorbogey]

perhaps commonalities are:
defense and
no single main contributor, but we can score inside - in the paint, or on the perimeter.

i'm thinking they are looking at 07 because of similar - top 5 - efficiency ratings via pomeroy.

[gatorbogey]

btw,
gators are #1 in pomeroy

1 Florida SEC 16-2 0.9870 123.5 2 80.9 1

first in defense
2nd in offense

[tgatorstew]

I don't understand why they compared Yuegette to Brewer and Prather to Richard. Should have been the other way around. When looking at the two teams, I would evaluate it like this:
Big man rotation; Horford, Noah, and Richard vs. Young, Murphy, and Yuegette
Advantage: 2007 (Big advantage here for 2007) The versatile play of Noah and Horford is what made this team special. You could not double team them because the would pick you apart, and most teams could not handle them inside. What makes the bigs for 2013 is the dead eye accurate 3 point shooting of Eric Murphy. Young is strong, developing offensively and has been working very hard, but does not have the Basketball IQ or passing ability of Horford or Noah.

Point Guard: Taureen Green vs Scottie Wilbekin- Slight advantage Green, but Wilby has the potential to be the best point guard in UF history. Green controlled the offense with relentless efficiency, and seem to always hit the big shot. Scottie is already one of the great UF perimeter defenders, but has not shown yet to have Taureen's B-ball IQ and goes through stretches where he turns the ball over. Taureen protected the ball and made sure we got the most out of every possession.

Wing players: Corey Brewer & Lee Humphries & Walter Hodge vs. Kenny Boynton & Mike Rosario & Casey Prather & Michael Frazier III- slight advantage 2007. 2013 has more depth but it is hard to compete with Brewer and Humphries. If you take the best qualities of Rosario and combine them with the best qualities of Prather you would get Corey Brewer. Brewer was the elite of the elite, which means he may pop up on many sites for all-decade college basketball teams. Humphries was a 45% 3 point shooter, who made teams pay time after time. Frazier has the making of a more athletic Lee Humphries, but how does he respond in big games. Boynton completes the 2013 team with great defense, timely shooting, leadership and experience.
Where these teams are most similar is:

They share the ball. Just like 2007, you can not point to one or two players and say they have to score for the team to have a chance. They spread the ball around and wherever the weak link is in the defense is what is exposed.

Team defense is very effective. 2013 is the best defensive team in the history of UF Basketball in my opinion. 2007 was better offensively and a better overall team in my opinion but 2013 is a better defensive squad.

[regurgigator]

I don't understand why they compared Yuegette to Brewer and Prather to Richard. Should have been the other way around. When looking at the two teams, I would evaluate it like this:
Big man rotation; Horford, Noah, and Richard vs. Young, Murphy, and Yuegette
Advantage: 2007 (Big advantage here for 2007) The versatile play of Noah and Horford is what made this team special. You could not double team them because the would pick you apart, and most teams could not handle them inside. What makes the bigs for 2013 is the dead eye accurate 3 point shooting of Eric Murphy. Young is strong, developing offensively and has been working very hard, but does not have the Basketball IQ or passing ability of Horford or Noah.

Point Guard: Taureen Green vs Scottie Wilbekin- Slight advantage Green, but Wilby has the potential to be the best point guard in UF history. Green controlled the offense with relentless efficiency, and seem to always hit the big shot. Scottie is already one of the great UF perimeter defenders, but has not shown yet to have Taureen's B-ball IQ and goes through stretches where he turns the ball over. Taureen protected the ball and made sure we got the most out of every possession.

Wing players: Corey Brewer & Lee Humphries & Walter Hodge vs. Kenny Boynton & Mike Rosario & Casey Prather & Michael Frazier III- slight advantage 2007. 2013 has more depth but it is hard to compete with Brewer and Humphries. If you take the best qualities of Rosario and combine them with the best qualities of Prather you would get Corey Brewer. Brewer was the elite of the elite, which means he may pop up on many sites for all-decade college basketball teams. Humphries was a 45% 3 point shooter, who made teams pay time after time. Frazier has the making of a more athletic Lee Humphries, but how does he respond in big games. Boynton completes the 2013 team with great defense, timely shooting, leadership and experience.
Where these teams are most similar is:

They share the ball. Just like 2007, you can not point to one or two players and say they have to score for the team to have a chance. They spread the ball around and wherever the weak link is in the defense is what is exposed.

Team defense is very effective. 2013 is the best defensive team in the history of UF Basketball in my opinion. 2007 was better offensively and a better overall team in my opinion but 2013 is a better defensive squad.

Agree with your comparisons.

The championship teams were great "teams" that were even stronger than the strong parts. But, I believe this year's team takes "the team is stronger than its parts" to an even greater level.

I think the championship teams clearly win if you do a player-by-player comparison, because this year's team just can't compete with the exceptional talent of Noah, Horford, and Brewer. But, the team this year IMO plays waaaaay over its individual talent level, and they're not doing it with any "smoke and mirrors" either. They're doing it with great cohesiveness, focus and intensity.


Both teams had/have a lot of complementary parts.

[rivergator]

Man was that a terrible analysis. This team definitely has the advantage of 2005-06, but 2006-07 was an absolutely different animal. You can't discount the experience and developed chemistry of that latter team. Their argument would fit better if they were talking about the first national title squad.

2005-6 won the national title in a year where a few other teams could have won had the cards fallen right. 2006-7 was simply the best team in the country with nobody close.
That said, I think this backcourt is probably better. But the 04's front court was clearly far better. All three taken in first nine of the NBA draft. That's a big difference ...

[themistocles]

Excellent points.

All three of these teams played so very well together, and all were outstanding defensively. Two things this team lacks that the 05/07's had were Noah's shot blocking ability (Horford was no slouch either), which really meant that the Guards didn't need to worry so much about making mistakes, and Brewer's amazing ability to steal the ball at key points, just like Humphrey and Green always seemed to make key shots when they were very timely.

You may recall that in the NCAA 2006 tournament, Noah broke Bill Russell's NCAA Tournament shot blocking record. Of course, when Russell did it, they played 4 games, while Noah played in 6. Russell was the best defensive player I have ever seen. He had a simply uncanny ability to always make the correct decision for his team's benefit.

That is one thing this current team does pretty well, is benefit the team as a group. Same was true for both 05/06 and 06/07.

Very interesting discussion.

[InstiGATOR1]

This discussion is of course premature. If 2012-13 wins the NCAA tourney or comes close, then we can rank it with 1999-2000, 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Still, I will play along and they did forget one comparison:

PG: I would take Green over Wilbekin mainly for Green's ball handling, but it is closer than anyone would have guessed in November. So edge 2007.

SG: I think Boynton over Humphrey is pretty easy. Humphrey was a a solid defender, but Boynton is an excellent defender. So edge 2013.

SF: Brewer gets the edge over Rosario. Both had/have a little ball security issues, but Brewer is the better defender. So edge 2007

PF: Noah in my mind should be compared more to Young. Both are solid defenders, Young has better post moves and Noah rebounds better. I will call this one a push.

C: The main reason I compare Horford and Murphy is Horford was the jump shooting big on that team. Murphy has more range, but Horford had a nice intermediate jumper and better rebound so Horford gets the edge.

Back up big: I will give Yeguete a edge over Richard here. Yeguete is a better rebounder I think and both had similar limited offenses. So edge 2013.

Back up guard: Hodge gets an edge over Frazier here because he can play both slots. Maybe that is unfair to this year as Boynton is the backup PG. Still I have it edge 2007.

Back up SF: How did they forget this one. When Brewer needed a quick rest or was in foul trouble, his back up was Werner. So this one is Werner compared to Prather and I view Prather as having the edge due to athleticism and defense. So edge 2013.

[GatorPlanet]

The SEC was VERY strong during both our title seasons. LSU beat #1 Duke to get into the Final Four in 2006. Vandy was a terrible non-traveling-call in the final seconds from beating Georgetown in '07 in the Sweet 16, and Georgetown handled Memphis easily in the Elite Eight. Compare that to this season's SEC, which is flat-out miserable.

[akaGatorhoops]

The 2007 team was one of the greatest college teams I have had the pleasure of watching. I do not think this year's squad would match up evenly.... Nor would many others that I can think of.

[bakaduin]

This discussion is of course premature. If 2012-13 wins the NCAA tourney or comes close, then we can rank it with 1999-2000, 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Still, I will play along and they did forget one comparison:

PG: I would take Green over Wilbekin mainly for Green's ball handling, but it is closer than anyone would have guessed in November. So edge 2007.

SG: I think Boynton over Humphrey is pretty easy. Humphrey was a a solid defender, but Boynton is an excellent defender. So edge 2013.

SF: Brewer gets the edge over Rosario. Both had/have a little ball security issues, but Brewer is the better defender. So edge 2007

PF: Noah in my mind should be compared more to Young. Both are solid defenders, Young has better post moves and Noah rebounds better. I will call this one a push.

C: The main reason I compare Horford and Murphy is Horford was the jump shooting big on that team. Murphy has more range, but Horford had a nice intermediate jumper and better rebound so Horford gets the edge.

Back up big: I will give Yeguete a edge over Richard here. Yeguete is a better rebounder I think and both had similar limited offenses. So edge 2013.

Back up guard: Hodge gets an edge over Frazier here because he can play both slots. Maybe that is unfair to this year as Boynton is the backup PG. Still I have it edge 2007.

Back up SF: How did they forget this one. When Brewer needed a quick rest or was in foul trouble, his back up was Werner. So this one is Werner compared to Prather and I view Prather as having the edge due to athleticism and defense. So edge 2013.

I disagree with a few of yours but its a nice debate. I'm not sure on Boynton over Hump being a slam dunk. If we are looking it overall player on player (or who would win 1 on 1) then yes Boynton in a landslide. But if we are talking about on a team playing the 2 position I'd rather have Hump. The purpose of a 2 is to shoot the ball and Boynton is way streaky for that. Hump was a reliable 46% 3 PT shooter who also was no slouch on D (though not as good as Boynton). Kenny is a good 10% poorer from 3 this year. Now if he reverts to last years 3 pt form it is Kenny hands down.

I also think you are undervaluing Chris Richard. He would have started on just about any other team in basketball. He was an NBA caliber player and what he loses to Yeguete in rebounding, he makes up for in scoring ability.

[Apeman]

Even being able to have this conversation this season leaves me thrilled.

[ApexNC]

I disagree with a few of yours but its a nice debate. I'm not sure on Boynton over Hump being a slam dunk. If we are looking it overall player on player (or who would win 1 on 1) then yes Boynton in a landslide. But if we are talking about on a team playing the 2 position I'd rather have Hump. The purpose of a 2 is to shoot the ball and Boynton is way streaky for that. Hump was a reliable 46% 3 PT shooter who also was no slouch on D (though not as good as Boynton). Kenny is a good 10% poorer from 3 this year. Now if he reverts to last years 3 pt form it is Kenny hands down.

I also think you are undervaluing Chris Richard. He would have started on just about any other team in basketball. He was an NBA caliber player and what he loses to Yeguete in rebounding, he makes up for in scoring ability.

On the championship teams, Hump was far more valuable then KB would have been. On this year's team, KB is far more valuable than Hump would ever be. The great thing is that both teams had/have very different parts that fit together very well.

[ApexNC]

I'll also say that if I had to come up with a starting five from the pool of all the players on both teams, I go with all five from '07 every time. Love this year's team too, but the '07 team was historical good.

[rivergator]

Even being able to have this conversation this season leaves me thrilled.

absolutely.

[malscott]

I don't know enough about BB to know the difference. But the fact they are writing an article about this team and even comparing it to the '04's is really quite a compliment. Decent company to be compared to. Their legacy is still being developed and it would be very cool if we could witness another banner being placed in the O-dome.

[ncgatorfan]

This makes me want to go watch some old dvd I have of the 04's ... man were they good.

[madgator]

The 2007 team was one of the greatest college teams I have had the pleasure of watching. I do not think this year's squad would match up evenly.... Nor would many others that I can think of.

No kidding.

We are talking about one of the top 3 teams (IMHO) over the past 30 years against a nice team that hasn't WON JACK SQUAT YET!

UNC 1982, Duke 1992 the other two.....I personally think that the UF team would dog the 1990 UNLV team as well as the 1996 Kentucky team. Georgetown 1984 is on the short list as well.

that's my list and I'm sticking to it!


by the way, Insti....yeguette over richard????? that's straight crazy talk

and I like Yeguette don't get me wrong.

[regurgigator]

This discussion is of course premature. If 2012-13 wins the NCAA tourney or comes close, then we can rank it with 1999-2000, 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Still, I will play along and they did forget one comparison:

PG: I would take Green over Wilbekin mainly for Green's ball handling, but it is closer than anyone would have guessed in November. So edge 2007. Agree.

SG: I think Boynton over Humphrey is pretty easy. Humphrey was a a solid defender, but Boynton is an excellent defender. So edge 2013. Agree, but as someone said, Humphrey was a perfect role player for his team.

SF: Brewer gets the edge over Rosario. Both had/have a little ball security issues, but Brewer is the better defender. So edge 2007 I'd give a big edge to Brewer (nothing against Rosario).

PF: Noah in my mind should be compared more to Young. Both are solid defenders, Young has better post moves and Noah rebounds better. I will call this one a push. I'd say big edge to Noah who was also a fantastic passer, a better defender IMO, and could score when called on.

C: The main reason I compare Horford and Murphy is Horford was the jump shooting big on that team. Murphy has more range, but Horford had a nice intermediate jumper and better rebound so Horford gets the edge. I'd say big edge to Horford who was also a fantastic passer and better defender.

Back up big: I will give Yeguete a edge over Richard here. Yeguete is a better rebounder I think and both had similar limited offenses. So edge 2013. Agree, although I'd differ in saying that Richard was a very good offensive player - usually instant offense if they went to him on the block.

Back up guard: Hodge gets an edge over Frazier here because he can play both slots. Maybe that is unfair to this year as Boynton is the backup PG. Still I have it edge 2007. Agree, but Hodge was a very poor substitute at PG; he was a SG all the way. I think Frazier will eventually be a better player.

Back up SF: How did they forget this one. When Brewer needed a quick rest or was in foul trouble, his back up was Werner. So this one is Werner compared to Prather and I view Prather as having the edge due to athleticism and defense. So edge 2013. Agree that Prather has much more impact on this year's team than Werner did on the championship team. And, they were widely different types of players.

Good post, but I added some comments.

[InstiGATOR1]

by the way, Insti....yeguette over richard????? that's straight crazy talk

and I like Yeguette don't get me wrong.

Well here are their numbers for the seasons [part season in the case of Yeguete] in question:

Richard 18.4 min, 6.2 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 0.4 APG, 1.2 TPG, 0.3 SPG, 0.3 BPG
Yeguete 23.4 min, 6.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.7 TPG, 1.2 SPG, 0.3 BPG

or per 40 minutes of playing time

Richard 13.5 PP40, 8.0 RP40, 0.9 AP40, 2.6 TP40, 0.7 SP40, 0.7 BP40
Yeguete 11.1PP40, 11.5 RP40, 2.1 AP40, 2.9 TP40, 2.1 SP40, 0.5 BP40

So Richard scores a bit more but Yeguete has an advantage in rebounds assists and steals. I do not see this as a slam dunk for Richard and I can see a very a solid case for Yeguete.

[austingtr]

IMO Yeguete is better overall. Intangibles are off the charts compared to Rchards

[bakaduin]

Well here are their numbers for the seasons [part season in the case of Yeguete] in question:

Richard 18.4 min, 6.2 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 0.4 APG, 1.2 TPG, 0.3 SPG, 0.3 BPG
Yeguete 23.4 min, 6.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1.7 TPG, 1.2 SPG, 0.3 BPG

or per 40 minutes of playing time

Richard 13.5 PP40, 8.0 RP40, 0.9 AP40, 2.6 TP40, 0.7 SP40, 0.7 BP40
Yeguete 11.1PP40, 11.5 RP40, 2.1 AP40, 2.9 TP40, 2.1 SP40, 0.5 BP40

So Richard scores a bit more but Yeguete has an advantage in rebounds assists and steals. I do not see this as a slam dunk for Richard and I can see a very a solid case for Yeguete.

I will say one you missed that go in favor or Richard:

He shot close to 70% for the year. He was either close to or the number 1 FG% in the country that year.

That being said your stats opened my eyes. Didn't realize Will was shooting so well this year.

[SmootyGator]

The SEC was VERY strong during both our title seasons. LSU beat #1 Duke to get into the Final Four in 2006. Vandy was a terrible non-traveling-call in the final seconds from beating Georgetown in '07 in the Sweet 16, and Georgetown handled Memphis easily in the Elite Eight. Compare that to this season's SEC, which is flat-out miserable.

I thought that Vandy lost to UConn in the Elite 8 that year... Man, is my memory that bad?

[SmootyGator]

I thought that Vandy lost to UConn in the Elite 8 that year... Man, is my memory that bad?

Yep, my memory is that bad...

[mastoidbone]

This team would lose to both our NC teams---big.
The front court would overwhelm us and Patrick woulf not be able to score on Noah or Horford.
The one tough match up for the 06 and 07 teams would be Murphy stretching them out.

[InstiGATOR1]

A few points:

1. As Humphrey was needed to stretch the defense for his team and thus the difference between he and Boynton is not as great as it would be in a one on one game, similarly Murphy is really needed to stretch the defense by this team and thus the difference between Murphy and Horford is not a much as some would imagine.

2. I looked at but did not report the effective shooting percentages of Richard and Yeguete. Richard was better by about 10 percentage points so not a huge difference. To me the real argument comes down to is Yeguete a much better rebounder because he is quick off the floor and gets to balls or is the a better rebounder than Richard because he plays with such average rebounders? Richard was always on the floor with Noah/Horford and Brewer. That is one excellent rebounder and one good rebounding SF. Yeguete is often on the floor with Murphy/Young and 3 guards. Murphy and Young are not the rebounders that Horford and Noah were, but a good bit of the time Yeguete gets a rebound that would have gone to Murphy or Young but Yeguete got to it more quickly. Would he have gotten such rebounds playing beside Horford and Noah? That is pretty much unknowable.

3. I agree Frazier will likely be a better player than Hodge and would likely be better if we were just comparing Soph season to Soph season..

[REM08]

Its one thing to break down position by position, but do any of you really think that this years team wins close to half the time against 07's team? I don't. If they play 10 times, I don't see this years team winning more than once or twice. I mean, certainly you all must remember how good the back-to-back teams were, right? I LOVE how good this year's team looks. The whole 'sum of the parts' thing is very appealing and fun to watch. But the 07 team's parts were just better - AND they had that sum of the parts thing going also.

Player by player comparisons are imperfect as well - although not without merit altogether. Boynton, overall, is a better player than Lee was. But who would you take if the surrounding players were the rest of the 07's? I'm not sure its so clear.

IMO, and I'm sure you guys followed both teams closer than I did, this years team doesn't have a big man I'd take over Noah or Horford. I don't see these teams as close at all.

Also, I dont' understand the "well lets wait and see if this team wins a title and THEN we can compare..." comments. No, you can compare them now. You certainly can't compare accomplishments yet, but thats not what we're talking about here. The tournament isn't a perfect measure for how good a team is. Most schools have some of their best teams not win a title - and then have lesser teams that do sometimes. Thats just the way the tournament works.

[MJGator8104]

Agree with REM that although not without merit, these player by player comparisons are imperfect; although, I have no problem with the discussion.

Our NC teams fit and played perfectly together. Everyone on those teams (starters and backups) accepted and relished their roles. So far, at least from what I can tell, all of the starters and backups on this year's squad accept and relish their roles as well.

Both squads play/played team D; whoever, I believe this year's squad has taken the team D concept to a higher level with more consistency. By the same token, the NC teams were more consistent offensively.

I believe both of these are more a reflection of the teams as a whole and how they fit and played together.

Just think of the possibilities if you could have a combined squad of the NC starters with their top 2 or three backups with our current starters and their top two or three backups...

[tampajack1]

The 2006/2007 Gator team was, IMO, one of the best college basketball teams ever. The front court of Noah, Horford and Brewer, backed up by Chris Richard and Speights merits consideration as one of the three the greatest front courts ever (along with the Alcindor and Walton front courts). This year's Gator team looks good enough to make a run at the national title in a down year for college hoops.

[madgator]

Chris Richard was an extremely strong post defender. Really they are two different types of players overall. But Richard could get off the floor. He was a good athlete for his size. Kid got picked 41st overall in the NBA draft. Don't see Yeguette as a guy who would get drafted right now.

however, if I had to choose between the two to start for me at a PF position, I would take Richard. Probably because I'd rather have the C capability that he could give you

but that's just me. I can understand the arguement from both sides.

[G8R92]

I'd take the 2013 team if you spot me 30 points.

[grant1]

This discussion is of course premature. If 2012-13 wins the NCAA tourney or comes close, then we can rank it with 1999-2000, 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Still, I will play along and they did forget one comparison:

PG: I would take Green over Wilbekin mainly for Green's ball handling, but it is closer than anyone would have guessed in November. So edge 2007.

SG: I think Boynton over Humphrey is pretty easy. Humphrey was a a solid defender, but Boynton is an excellent defender. So edge 2013.

SF: Brewer gets the edge over Rosario. Both had/have a little ball security issues, but Brewer is the better defender. So edge 2007

PF: Noah in my mind should be compared more to Young. Both are solid defenders, Young has better post moves and Noah rebounds better. I will call this one a push.

C: The main reason I compare Horford and Murphy is Horford was the jump shooting big on that team. Murphy has more range, but Horford had a nice intermediate jumper and better rebound so Horford gets the edge.

Back up big: I will give Yeguete a edge over Richard here. Yeguete is a better rebounder I think and both had similar limited offenses. So edge 2013.

Back up guard: Hodge gets an edge over Frazier here because he can play both slots. Maybe that is unfair to this year as Boynton is the backup PG. Still I have it edge 2007.

Back up SF: How did they forget this one. When Brewer needed a quick rest or was in foul trouble, his back up was Werner. So this one is Werner compared to Prather and I view Prather as having the edge due to athleticism and defense. So edge 2013.

Agreeable except for the big men. That Horford has an "edge" over Murphy and a "push" between Noah and Young is not close. While Noah didn't have much range, he might have a triple double playing against Young. I would give Horford a big advantage over Murphy. The only aspect Murphy had was his range, which disappeared too often. Horford was much more reliable.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Agreed, the breakdown itself is not very well thought out. However, I thought it was interesting that they published an article about that.

"published."

Anyone can write for Bleacher Report. I refuse to click on anything from that site.

[tampajack1]

Agreeable except for the big men. That Horford has an "edge" over Murphy and a "push" between Noah and Young is not close. While Noah didn't have much range, he might have a triple double playing against Young. I would give Horford a big advantage over Murphy. The only aspect Murphy had was his range, which disappeared too often. Horford was much more reliable.

IMO, the only Gator player since 2007 who would have had a chance to crack the 2007 line up was Beal, and I can't see Beal beating out Humphrey.

[InstiGATOR1]

IMO, the only Gator player since 2007 who would have had a chance to crack the 2007 line up was Beal, and I can't see Beal beating out Humphrey.

Well I happened to do a bit of looking and thinking about this today also. Here is as complete a team statistical comparison as you will find:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/compare?t1-season=2006-2007&t1-type=&t1=florida&t2-season=2012-2013&t2-type=1&t2=florida&t3-season=2006-2007&t3-type=3&t3=florida&t4-type=3&t4=florida

The two teams still stack up quite closely. Despite falling short in one tourney game the 2013 group like the 2007 group did play well together and seemed to enjoy playing together. The 2007 group was much better offensively, but the 2013 group was as much better defensively.

[grant1]

Well I happened to do a bit of looking and thinking about this today also. Here is as complete a team statistical comparison as you will find:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/compare?t1-season=2006-2007&t1-type=&t1=florida&t2-season=2012-2013&t2-type=1&t2=florida&t3-season=2006-2007&t3-type=3&t3=florida&t4-type=3&t4=florida

The two teams still stack up quite closely. Despite falling short in one tourney game the 2013 group like the 2007 group did play well together and seemed to enjoy playing together. The 2007 group was much better offensively, but the 2013 group was as much better defensively.

Stats rarely tell the whole or accurate story of a team. There so many threads on our stats this year, it was ridiculous. If the '07 team played '13 team 10 times, the '07 would probably win 7.

The numbers do bear that this year's team was better defensively, but keep in mind it was against a down year for the SEC.

[tampajack1]

Stats rarely tell the whole or accurate story of a team. There so many threads on our stats this year, it was ridiculous. If the '07 team played '13 team 10 times, the '07 would probably win 7.

The numbers do bear that this year's team was better defensively, but keep in mind it was against a down year for the SEC.

I cannot imagine the '13 team beating the '07 team a single time.That '07 team was far better (IMO) than any team in this year's tournament.

[InstiGATOR1]

Stats rarely tell the whole or accurate story of a team. There so many threads on our stats this year, it was ridiculous. If the '07 team played '13 team 10 times, the '07 would probably win 7.

The numbers do bear that this year's team was better defensively, but keep in mind it was against a down year for the SEC.

I agree stats do not tell the whole story. But ignoring stats ignores a huge part of the story. In sports you are ultimately what you do.

Perhaps the best passing QB in college football history really was a kid who signed with KSU in the pre-Bill Snyder era, was hurt as a Frosh and barely played in his college career. But he didn't do anything so I have to go with that guy Wuerffel who put up the best QB numbers in college football history, even if no one liked his throwing motion much.

[Jmiller21]

Horford vs Young a push? Ehhh lol I would go Horford. Green over Wilbekin too.

[REM08]

I cannot imagine the '13 team beating the '07 team a single time.That '07 team was far better (IMO) than any team in this year's tournament.

This is where I'm at also.

[MaceoP]

I cannot imagine the '13 team beating the '07 team a single time.That '07 team was far better (IMO) than any team in this year's tournament.

If I gambled on basketball, I would bet my life savings on the 07 team in a hypothetical game. Comparing Murphy and Young to Horford and Noah is laughable.