Rivals predicting 'Bama finishes with top class

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I found this to be an interesting read:

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1464225

Interestingly enough, two massive additions to Florida's program (transfer OL Max Garcia and Tyler Moore) haven't really been factored into these rankings. Both are not only great prospects, but proven players at the division 1 level.

Rivals points to the number of (quality) prospects 'Bama is looking to add between now and signing day as the reason they feel the Tide will end up number one. As long as they don't lose any current players from their class and close on the players they're expected to, they theoretically will land the top class.

Our most realistic options left for this class are Ramsey, Powell, Swannson and Clark. Realistically I think Clark and Swannson (depending on his grades) are the two most likely players we get from that group. We're on the outside looking in at Bostwick, Adams, Alexander, Collins and Nkemdiche, all of whom rivals calls "long shots" for us. Of course, anything can happen between now and Feb 6th, so none of this speculation is even close to being absolute.

But it looks like 'Bama will close strong enough to do it again. However, if you were to factor in the additions of Moore and Garcia, two proven players at the division one level, I actually like our class better. Those were two great players we've brought to Florida, yet neither count toward this class. Great job by Muschamp.

[UFreak]

I believe Moore is being counted because he is considered a JC transfer.

[gator1986]

Rivals hates Florida... We have to get used to it....

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I believe Moore is being counted because he is considered a JC transfer.

You could be right, but he's not listed among the 25 players they count toward our class. I've seen some sites/services include him, but I'm not sure that Rivals does.

If you count those two, Florida has six offensive linemen (Johnson, Garcia, Moore, Dillard, Brown and O Jackson) on their way to Gainesville since last year's signing day concluded. Eleven players across the line of scrimmage total and, as we all know, that's where football games are won in the SEC.

[Gatorrick22]

Rivals hates Florida... We have to get used to it....

Scout hates us. Rivals has been fair to us.

[gator1986]

Scout hates us. Rivals has been fair to us.

I've seen Florida fluctuate more on rivals than ESPN, or scouts. I don't like scouts either because its fox and they're pro big 12..

[Gatorrick22]

I've seen Florida fluctuate more on rivals than ESPN, or scouts. I don't like scouts either because its fox and they're pro big 12..

ESPN has us more highly ranked than maybe we should be.. But, the only way to really tell is to go back 3 to 5 years and see who did what with their classes/rankings.

[gator1986]

Espn loves Florida lol that's just the honest truth

[Gatorrick22]

In recruiting they most certainly do.

[ETGator1]

ESPN is the only site to count Tyler Moore.

[gator7_5]

Meh, regular consensus top 5 classes, especially ones that fill needs, means you're doing work and setting yourself up for an MNC game.

[Tebowism0823]

Agree^^^

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Meh, regular consensus top 5 classes, especially ones that fill needs, means you're doing work and setting yourself up for an MNC game.

I agree completely, although 'Bama seems to get the number one class every year and fill their needs.

That's what we've done. When you start talking about top-3 classes, there really isn't much of a difference in the quality of the personnel you're adding to your roster. We've done extremely well this year.

[ETGator1]

I'm not sure Rivals has UF's players available right. There is no mention of 4 star Clark or 4 star Timmons. We get Bostwicks last visit and he isn't factored either.

Swanson - no points - then it doesn't matter if we hold a ship and he doesn't sign
Ramsey
Powell
Clark OR Timmons
Bostwick OR Reed

If this happens, UF will finish ahead of bama. With that said, it doesn't really matter as both schools have outstanding classes.

I also like to look at the enrolled classes come September. This national championship yak on NSD is just that, yak. It's designed to sell interest and membership.

[DieAGator]

Scout hates us. Rivals has been fair to us.

You all need to stop imagining these sites upgrade a player's status if he's considering a school other than Florida, and "ding" him if he turns out to be a Gator.

[StrangeGator]

I'm not sure Rivals has UF's players available right. There is no mention of 4 star Clark or 4 star Timmons. We get Bostwicks last visit and he isn't factored either.

Swanson - no points - then it doesn't matter if we hold a ship and he doesn't sign
Ramsey
Powell
Clark OR Timmons
Bostwick OR Reed

If this happens, UF will finish ahead of bama. With that said, it doesn't really matter as both schools have outstanding classes.

I also like to look at the enrolled classes come September. This national championship yak on NSD is just that, yak. It's designed to sell interest and membership.

Timmons is rated as a 3 star player and ranked 68th at his position. He doesn't help us much with rankings, but we whiff on Clark and Joker thinks Timmons is a keeper, he's fine with me. Reed is also a star prospect but he's a huge get in terms of need, rankings be damned.

I feel like we have a decent shot at Ramsey. Getting him, Bostwick and Q. Powell back might put us ahead of Bama in the end. Adams and Nkemdiche are the only other 5 star guys left other than Ramsey but they are long shots.

Then again, Bama has a very good shot at Matthew Thomas and Vonn Bell, a decent shot at Reuben Foster, Tunsil, Adams and Vanderhoes. That's six 5 star players still on their board. Getting any two of those pushes their avg. player ranking off the charts. They will probably add two or three four star guys to fill up. In that case, nobody would catch. them.

The only thing that matters going against Bama is recruiting on the OL and the front seven defensively. Our transfers probably give us an edge on the offensive side. Both teams are sitting on just one true DT and waiting on a couple of good ones to come through, but even for now. They won't touch us at LB, but they're DE class is very strong, especially if they add Dee Liner. We just have to hope for the best regarding Adams, Bostwick, Nkemdiche and Reed, and hope that Bama doesn't get Adams, Vanderhoes, Tunsil or Foster.

[ETGator1]

Bama isn't getting Vanderhoes, Adams, and probably not Tunsil. Foster will probably recommit to AU or go to UGALY.

Dee Liner is a DT and a bama lock.

Matthew Thomas and Von Bell are bama.

[Gatorrick22]

You all need to stop imagining these sites upgrade a player's status if he's considering a school other than Florida, and "ding" him if he turns out to be a Gator.

You mean like Scout dropping VH3 from the top 10 after securing the MVP in the UAAG?

Sure thing friend. :wave:

[LAGatorDoc]

Bama isn't getting Vanderhoes, Adams, and probably not Tunsil. Foster will probably recommit to AU or go to UGALY.

Dee Liner is a DT and a bama lock.

Matthew Thomas and Von Bell are bama.

Thomas and Kirkland are staying home in Miami after their lack of sanctions. Miami may get a decent class in the end with likely Collins staying as well

[Juggernautz]

ESPN is the only site to count Tyler Moore.

One of the few sites that predicts that we'll win the 2013 recruiting wars as well.

[oldgator]

ESPN now factors in Transfers, preps, and JUCO's along with HS recruits. The other major recruiting services don't factor in transfers.

All the recruiting services still give a school repeat credit for a recruit who signed and ten went prep or juco then re-signed with the school. I happen to beleive that is bogus BS

ESPN isn't really 'pro' UF in recruiting rankings. ESPN does however rate state of Fl recruits a bit higher than other recruiting services(count Fla recruits rated 4*/5* by ESPN compared to number of 4*/5* of Fla recruits by Rivals, Scout, etc).

The bias of various recruiting sites in regard to favoring some schools compared to other schools I believe boils down to 2 factors.
1. $$$$$. Schols that have large number or subscibers to the recruiting service tend to get more favorable rankings for its signees/commits than competitor schools whose fanbases are not as numerous in subscribing to the recruiting service. there was massive drop in pro UF bias at both Rivals and Scout when Gators subscribing to those services decreased.
2. Bias of individual gurus at the recruiting service. the gurus who evaluate and rate the recruits----ie--the Dorothy Syndrome. A year or two ago a Rivals guru left Rivals and wrote up about how Rivals skews ratings to favor Bama and a few other schools(most likely---USCw, Oh St, FSU). There is the infamous incident of Rivals changing a recruits star rating AFTER he signed with a school(Joslin Shaw who was 2* on morning of NSD, signed with FSU, and the next day had been bumped up to 3* without any commentary about why he was increased in rating. Myself and some others raised hell. And a week or so later some Rivals mod posted a topic thread saying it was because the guru turned in his eval late. My guess the guru was Dorothy. A year later Rivals adopted a policy of no changes to ratings after final ratings posted a week or two after last all star game is played. For the first few years the final rankings came out about a week after the last all star game. But in the last few years they are shifting their final rankings closer and closer to NSD. So don't be surprised if there is some pencil whipping with final ratings). The Rivals formula lends itself to creative use if a guru wants to skew things for or against schools.

[Juggernautz]

Thanks old for clarifying.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Yeah, even if 'Bama finishes #1, I won't consider that to be a legit ranking. These sites failing to add Garcia and Moore is just unacceptable behavior.

[your_perfect_enemy]

I'm excited for both Moore and Garcia, but just to play devil's advocate... how come people keep throwing out they're proven at the d1 level, yet they played in the big ten and acc, conferences we relentlessly mock for their crap level of play.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I'm excited for both Moore and Garcia, but just to play devil's advocate... how come people keep throwing out they're proven at the d1 level, yet they played in the big ten and acc, conferences we relentlessly mock for their crap level of play.

I keep throwing that out there, but I don't mock the ACC and (the northern version of the) Big 12. I just don't think the overrall quality of football is as good in those two conferences as it is down south, in the SEC.

And it's not like good players don't come from those two conferences. There were scouts who felt Garcia has pro potential when he left Maryland, and we certainly weren't the only school after him. Georgia really wanted him too. Moore was highly-recruited after he left Nebraska as well. I mean, they appear to be good prospects.

[coldsteel120]

Who gives a $hit about rankings? Recruiting rankings is the biggest scam on the internet.

[Gatorrick22]

Who gives a $hit about rankings? Recruiting rankings is the biggest scam on the internet.

Easy man, you could kill a multi-million dollar industry with those words. :wink:

[lurkingator1]

It would not surprise me at all if Bama Class is consenus number one. I am sure they will finish very strong, and it's very possible we finish 2nd behind them, but the difference between who is number 1 and who is number 5 let's say, is very subjective

[gatorjlm]

ESPN now factors in Transfers, preps, and JUCO's along with HS recruits. The other major recruiting services don't factor in transfers.

All the recruiting services still give a school repeat credit for a recruit who signed and ten went prep or juco then re-signed with the school. I happen to beleive that is bogus BS

ESPN isn't really 'pro' UF in recruiting rankings. ESPN does however rate state of Fl recruits a bit higher than other recruiting services(count Fla recruits rated 4*/5* by ESPN compared to number of 4*/5* of Fla recruits by Rivals, Scout, etc).

The bias of various recruiting sites in regard to favoring some schools compared to other schools I believe boils down to 2 factors.
1. $$$$$. Schols that have large number or subscibers to the recruiting service tend to get more favorable rankings for its signees/commits than competitor schools whose fanbases are not as numerous in subscribing to the recruiting service. there was massive drop in pro UF bias at both Rivals and Scout when Gators subscribing to those services decreased.
2. Bias of individual gurus at the recruiting service. the gurus who evaluate and rate the recruits----ie--the Dorothy Syndrome. A year or two ago a Rivals guru left Rivals and wrote up about how Rivals skews ratings to favor Bama and a few other schools(most likely---USCw, Oh St, FSU). There is the infamous incident of Rivals changing a recruits star rating AFTER he signed with a school(Joslin Shaw who was 2* on morning of NSD, signed with FSU, and the next day had been bumped up to 3* without any commentary about why he was increased in rating. Myself and some others raised hell. And a week or so later some Rivals mod posted a topic thread saying it was because the guru turned in his eval late. My guess the guru was Dorothy. A year later Rivals adopted a policy of no changes to ratings after final ratings posted a week or two after last all star game is played. For the first few years the final rankings came out about a week after the last all star game. But in the last few years they are shifting their final rankings closer and closer to NSD. So don't be surprised if there is some pencil whipping with final ratings). The Rivals formula lends itself to creative use if a guru wants to skew things for or against schools.

bingo...plus known strong early leans can be over/under vauled in favor of a school.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Who gives a $hit about rankings? Recruiting rankings is the biggest scam on the internet.

That's not true. The number one class guarantees a national championship. I don't know what sites you've been on, or who you're gettin' your info from, but it'll bury us if we don't finish number one.

[Jaggator]

Maybe this is why...Rivals just thinks it's automatic.

http://i.imgur.com/tX7Y6.jpg

[The_Graygator]

If we're top 5, we're doing just fine.

[Gatorrick22]

That's not true. The number one class guarantees a national championship. I don't know what sites you've been on, or who you're gettin' your info from, but it'll bury us if we don't finish number one.

:laugh:

[Tebowism0823]

You mean like Scout dropping VH3 from the top 10 after securing the MVP in the UAAG?

Sure thing friend. :wave:

That sort of reasoning won't work on all people. Especially the stubborn :)

[bullish]

We will have a great class. Alabama's class will have more 5 stars than anyone else in the nation. Hince, #1 class. The alum's of alabama will make sure they get the 5 stars because they live for football. With the NCAA choking on a sure kill at Miami's program, how in the hell could they ever get Alabama, they don't have anyone who could go to Ala and come out alive, of course its a third world country. As the world turns in recruiting. The NCAA and enforcement are not a viable brand. Div. 1 football needs a new Assoc. to deliver common sense to recruiting irregularities. Where are our Univ. Presidents and Athletic Directors talking to the Media on the need for change? Our people at Florida need to take the lead, but it seems they are lapping it up with large salaries and benefits. The parallels to Congress and balancing the budget seem to be where we are at with the NCAA. Large salaries, meeting at resorts, flying to Hawaii at the taxpayers expense, lots of posh dinners, flying first class or private jet and exspousing they are in it for the student athlete. both NCAA and the Congress, we need common sense people in these positions, less Lawyers who like to tell us why and how we must live our lives. When we say of the people for the people, I don't think they thought only lawyers could have any sense at all. It is time for change! Penn State thought to look past it and just lap it up anyway they want. Morals and the law. Money will make it right.

Steve Spurrier and Urban exits both had common elements, they knew Jeremy and Bernie wouldn't speak out on recruiting rules and change and they had to line up against teams that spit in the face of the rules. Both ran as fast as they could. Spurdog landing at SC was more about Golf than Football. LOL!

[DeBigLeezard]

Alabama and NASA.... (Huntsville)
How do those two words coexist in the same sentence???

Even if my team was winning National Championships three outta four years, I STILL would not live in Alabama!

All of my life, I have traveled through that state. From the time I was two years old, till the present day... I have been from Orange Beach to the northern edge of that place... and many places in between... and nope... no way.

I have very good friends who moved from Atlanta to live in Dothan. The wife, literally, cannot stand living there.

I can see why the only thing they live for is... Alabammy football.
And when that does not work out... their whole world get enveloped into one big dark cloud....
... because that is all they got.

[The_Graygator]

Got relatives who live close to Dothan in a little town named Abbeville (also the home town of "Yella Fella" Jimmy Vane, who my aunts knows). That place is about as backwoods, deep south as you can get.

Would never want to live there.

[Gatorrick22]

That sort of reasoning won't work on all people. Especially the stubborn :)

My reasoning? You mean logic? :laugh::laugh:

I know, right.

[PIMking]

Recruiting paper championships don't make you a champion on the field

[Gatorrick22]

Recruiting paper championships don't make you a champion on the field

No, you're right, but it does bring people and business to this forum.