Any recruits wavering since F$U's OC left?

[Ahab]

Any signs that someone might flip? Ryan Green? Kermit Whitfield?

[MadduxFanII]

Per Zach A on Twitter, Coley to Miami could "lock up Alex Collins for UM" and allow us to flip Whitfield and/or Green.

[Briang8r]

Per Zach A on Twitter, Coley to Miami could "lock up Alex Collins for UM" and allow us to flip Whitfield and/or Green.

One of the 247 guys said on Twitter that there may be a second fsu commit visiting UF this weekend. It was a teaser for paid content, but I wonder if it might be Green.

[gator7_5]

If those two flip, and Gohlson flips to Auburn or another secw team, dumbo's up a creek. A $hit one.

[15gator05]

One of the 247 guys said on Twitter that there may be a second fsu commit visiting UF this weekend. It was a teaser for paid content, but I wonder if it might be Green.

Believe it is denzel ward. 2014 buck prospect. Big time talent.

[Notoriousgator]

I posted in another thread...Alex Collins was throwing up the "U" last night in Coral Gables at the BBall game. South Fla sports talk seems to think Collins is UM lock with Coley as OC.

[ocalag8tor]

Rumor is that Ira Denson is blowing up Andrew's phone!

[UFFL]

Rumor is that Ira Denson is blowing up Andrew's phone!

saying what?

[Notoriousgator]

saying what?

He wants a reason to back out of his commit to FSU....(needs a UF offer) Not happy with the coaching changes I assume.

[UFFL]

He wants a reason to back out of his commit to FSU....(needs a UF offer) Not happy with the coaching changes I assume.

We're not going to get 6 more kids. We should take him

[Notoriousgator]

We're not going to get 6 more kids. We should take him

I agree. I know some don't think the world of Denson. But we need offensive linemen. And we need them to develop. It's a numbers game. He's quality. There are a few/couple OL on our roster that I don't believe should be playing at this level. They're just taking up a spot.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Rumor is that Ira Denson is blowing up Andrew's phone!

He's just going to have to accept that he'll be a part of what's quickly becoming a disatrous class out west. We don't have time for overrated 4-star prospects anymore.

Man, it feels good to rock the orange and blue. Knowing that under Muschamp the talent will always flow in, the defense will always be sick, Georgia and South Carolina can battle it out for second place in the east. There's a new source of arrogance that comes with Muschamp roaming around on the sideline. I mean, my conversations out in public don't even feel the same anymore...

[lurkingator1]

Apparently their Oline recruiting may really suffer as a result Tackle is their biggest concen. They are were counting on Denver Kirkland being in their class and his main recruiter was Corley

[gatordee]

Rumor is that Ira Denson is blowing up Andrew's phone!

a mistake if we do not offer this kid imo. I believe he is a great talent!

[AndrewSpivey]

Any signs that someone might flip? Ryan Green? Kermit Whitfield?

Green and Whitfield may now look around but that's not a given right now. It helps Miami with Collins, Matthew thomas and Denver Kirkland

[AndrewSpivey]

One of the 247 guys said on Twitter that there may be a second fsu commit visiting UF this weekend. It was a teaser for paid content, but I wonder if it might be Green.

Denzel Ware. Gatorcountry had this last night.

[AndrewSpivey]

If those two flip, and Gohlson flips to Auburn or another secw team, dumbo's up a creek. A $hit one.

Marquez White another one of their commits may be leaving FSU too.

[GATORAZ]

Ira has wanted out of FSU for a long time but nobody wants to take him.

[AndrewSpivey]

Rumor is that Ira Denson is blowing up Andrew's phone!

Lol Denson isn't coming to Florida

[GATORAZ]

If FSU loses Golston which seems likely and they don't get Kirkland which also seems likely they are in some serious hurt on the Oline.

[GATORAZ]

We're not going to get 6 more kids. We should take him

you sure we are not getting 6 more?

[UFFL]

you sure we are not getting 6 more?

Out of our listed targets, I feel 60% sure we're not getting 6 of them. Swanson, Reed/Bostwick, Clark/Timmons, Ramsey is my guess. Even that's iffy. Adams isn't coming to Florida, Collins isn't, M. Alexander isn't. This class is amazing, I just don't think there are many other kids who are going to be in the class. I would like to be wrong though

[fubar1]

Ira Denson is an enigma. All we've heard is our coaches don't want him...too slow, not agile enough to ever be a good pass blocker, bad weight, etc.

But he's done nothing but shoot up the recruiting rankings, moving even higher every time there's a re-ranking (now #55 overall on TOS). This is based on combines, camps and all-star games.

Clearly a case where all the experts' opinions are in direct opposition to how our coaches view him. We'll have to see who gets this one right.

[GATORAZ]

Out of our listed targets, I feel 60% sure we're not getting 6 of them. Swanson, Reed/Bostwick, Clark/Timmons, Ramsey is my guess. Even that's iffy. Adams isn't coming to Florida, Collins isn't, M. Alexander isn't. This class is amazing, I just don't think there are many other kids who are going to be in the class. I would like to be wrong though

I "could" see Florida going
WR
CB
DT
DT
DE
FB

[elrongator]

I would like that as a final haul by position AZ, and I too see Denson as a very long shot. This is based purely on the apparent lack of interest expressed by our coaches.
It's almost as though someone with a valued opinion on our staff is black balling the kid.
It does leave me confused, because he's ranked highly by every service I have seen.
Why not take him as an extra body?
I would gladly take one more 4 star OL and forgo another WR in this year's class. But, of course, it all depends on who is accepting our offers.

[GATORAZ]

elrongator it is just not our staff though, nobody good is pushing fro Ira.

[Tebowism0823]

He's just going to have to accept that he'll be a part of what's quickly becoming a disatrous class out west. We don't have time for overrated 4-star prospects anymore.

Man, it feels good to rock the orange and blue. Knowing that under Muschamp the talent will always flow in, the defense will always be sick, Georgia and South Carolina can battle it out for second place in the east. There's a new source of arrogance that comes with Muschamp roaming around on the sideline. I mean, my conversations out in public don't even feel the same anymore...

He's not overrated at all. That's just the garbage spewed by a certain person here.

[The_Graygator]

Any signs that someone might flip? Ryan Green? Kermit Whitfield?


I checked with my friend who's got some inside roads at FSU and he told me 4 recuits he knows of have shown some doubts about the mass coaching exodus over there, and this was about noon today when I got that e-mail.

They're wavering some, but he thinks they could lose perhaps two when all is said and done, both on the offensive side of the ball. I think they could eventually end losing as many as five if Fisher and his new assistants don't exact damage control asap.

[The_Graygator]

I agree. I know some don't think the world of Denson. But we need offensive linemen. And we need them to develop. It's a numbers game. He's quality. There are a few/couple OL on our roster that I don't believe should be playing at this level. They're just taking up a spot.

Don't think for a moment our coaches don't know this and will go after Denson if the opening is there, especially with UF OL Tommy Jordan getting a medical hardship after his career-ending shoulder injury. Denson could fit right in at UF.

What I'm guessing is that Denson and Whitfield are the main threats to leave and they've lost any shot at Collins with Gran and the OC gone IMO.

[The_Graygator]

Apparently their Oline recruiting may really suffer as a result Tackle is their biggest concen. They are were counting on Denver Kirkland being in their class and his main recruiter was Corley

I think they've lost out on Kirkland, but that's just personal opinion.

[GATORAZ]

Don't think for a moment our coaches don't know this and will go after Denson if the opening is there, especially with UF OL Tommy Jordan getting a medical hardship after his career-ending shoulder injury. Denson could fit right in at UF.

What I'm guessing is that Denson and Whitfield are the main threats to leave and they've lost any shot at Collins with Gran and the OC gone IMO.

Gray they could have had Ira for months Coley leaving changes nothing

[The_Graygator]

Gray they could have had Ira for months Coley leaving changes nothing


Like I said, it's what I heard from a former FSU player inside the program over there, but recruiting is fickle and includes a lot of guesswork too as we all know.

Denson isn't happy there because of Corley's departure but as interesting as it is to see Denson rated so highly, you're absolutely correct that he's not a hot commodity either.

I myself think he would be a good back-up on OL for us though.

[gator7_5]

Ira Denson is an enigma. All we've heard is our coaches don't want him...too slow, not agile enough to ever be a good pass blocker, bad weight, etc.

But he's done nothing but shoot up the recruiting rankings, moving even higher every time there's a re-ranking (now #55 overall on TOS). This is based on combines, camps and all-star games.

Clearly a case where all the experts' opinions are in direct opposition to how our coaches view him. We'll have to see who gets this one right.

Took the post out of my finger tips. He apparently showed out at the AA game. If he were comitted to nebraska or Cal, I could see not taking a chance, but if he goes to fsu and ends up being the real deal, that will be a tough pill to swallow. I'd take him without a second thought on that horrible thought alone, not to mentions he seems to be pretty good.

[gator7_5]

If FSU loses Golston which seems likely and they don't get Kirkland which also seems likely they are STILL FOR THE 9th STRAIGHT YR in some serious hurt on the Oline.

Fify

[revthejedi]

It is pretty odd that the staff seemingly has no interest in a highly rated player at a position of need such as Denson.

[your_perfect_enemy]

I don't get the denson thing. we have room, we always need ol depth, and he won't cost us anyone... worst case scenario he leaves in two years (a player rated #55 in the country isn't going to hang around to not play) after being an insurance policy and we go get someone new to work in when our depth is much better. plus it screws over fsu. unless the kid is just an ass, what am I missing.

[risktaker]

you sure we are not getting 6 more?

Just by reading your posts lately i'm doubting we close wuth anyone in the top 250. :-(

[NoahBeanBizzel]

He's not overrated at all. That's just the garbage spewed by a certain person here.

But AZ said he can't pull well enough to be a part of this offense. Plus, as our Latino brethren would say, his footwork is "no good".

He can't come here.

[GATORAZ]

Th forum might crash if Ira flips to Florida on NSD

[Tebowism0823]

But AZ said he can't pull well enough to be a part of this offense. Plus, as our Latino brethren would say, his footwork is "no good".

He can't come here.

Tough to argue with our Latino brethren :)

[619_Gator]

My question with Ira is why is no other team pursuing him? Any officials scheduled? I havent seen any articles or mention of anyone pushing him to visit. He wants away from FSU but has no options to do so? Somethings missing there.

[Tebowism0823]

My question with Ira is why is no other team pursuing him? Any officials scheduled? I havent seen any articles or mention of anyone pushing him to visit. He wants away from FSU but has no options to do so? Somethings missing there.

Attitude IMO. The talent is there but I believe he thinks he's a little bit better right now then he actually is.

[DieAGator]

Like I said, it's what I heard from a former FSU player inside the program over there, but recruiting is fickle and includes a lot of guesswork too as we all know.

Denson isn't happy there because of Corley's departure but as interesting as it is to see Denson rated so highly, you're absolutely correct that he's not a hot commodity either.

I myself think he would be a good back-up on OL for us though.

Took the post out of my finger tips. He apparently showed out at the AA game. If he were comitted to nebraska or Cal, I could see not taking a chance, but if he goes to fsu and ends up being the real deal, that will be a tough pill to swallow. I'd take him without a second thought on that horrible thought alone, not to mentions he seems to be pretty good.

This one is simple, you take him so fsu doesn't have the extra quality OL, and IF he pans out for us all the better. What happens when we take 6 LB/6WR and some don't "work out", which will happen? Yup, they transfer.

DENSON'S A TAKE!

[Ahab]

It helps Miami with Collins, Matthew thomas and Denver Kirkland

I'd much rather have those guys at Miami than F$U.

[RayUF07]

He's just going to have to accept that he'll be a part of what's quickly becoming a disatrous class out west. We don't have time for overrated 4-star prospects anymore.

Man, it feels good to rock the orange and blue. Knowing that under Muschamp the talent will always flow in, the defense will always be sick, Georgia and South Carolina can battle it out for second place in the east. There's a new source of arrogance that comes with Muschamp roaming around on the sideline. I mean, my conversations out in public don't even feel the same anymore...

Go Noles!

[LAGatorDoc]

My question with Ira is why is no other team pursuing him? Any officials scheduled? I havent seen any articles or mention of anyone pushing him to visit. He wants away from FSU but has no options to do so? Somethings missing there.

It's the extra bad weight, shows done lack of control/sloppiness and a lack of lateral movement.

[Juggernautz]

If I had a penny for every rumour started during this recruiting period, I'd be able to buy Donald Trump out.

[sec1]

true...

[phideltdj]

What would Saban do? Of course he would take him and then make everyone compete for their scholarships. If you are good enough you stay on the team...if not bye bye or medical hardship. Oversigning is a great way to truly find out who can play and it doesn't seem to effect their future recruiting because they are so successful.

[thedyc09]

I have a hunch that with 6 spots left, Denson is about #9 on our list. He may be #33 on NSD, but more than likely is on the outside looking in.

[gatorjlm]

This one is simple, you take him so fsu doesn't have the extra quality OL, and IF he pans out for us all the better. What happens when we take 6 LB/6WR and some don't "work out", which will happen? Yup, they transfer.

DENSON'S A TAKE!

addition by subtraction

[GATORAZ]

What would Saban do? Of course he would take him and then make everyone compete for their scholarships. If you are good enough you stay on the team...if not bye bye or medical hardship. Oversigning is a great way to truly find out who can play and it doesn't seem to effect their future recruiting because they are so successful.

why hasnt Saban offered him ?

[Notoriousgator]

My question with Ira is why is no other team pursuing him? Any officials scheduled? I havent seen any articles or mention of anyone pushing him to visit. He wants away from FSU but has no options to do so? Somethings missing there.

I think I saw where Denson will be in Oxford this weekend for their BIG recruiting weekend. Nkimdche will be there along with 21 other recruits including 6 of their verbal commits.

[revthejedi]

So he's going to be apart of the great class Ole Miss is bringing in this year.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Gator Country

[GATORAZ]

I think I saw where Denson will be in Oxford this weekend for their BIG recruiting weekend. Nkimdche will be there along with 21 other recruits including 6 of their verbal commits.

I thought he tried to set something up but they told him no. I guess we will see this weekend

[ufballer86]

I thought he tried to set something up but they told him no. I guess we will see this weekend

az, couple questions:
could we use ira at center? jus let him snap the ball then maul people. i know weve got dillard but with the extra schollies and overall lack of depth there, id be ok with signing two and having the position covered for years

also, how does sign and place work? if it helps us land ineligible kids like daniels and hearns for 2014 then i dont see why not

[GATORAZ]

az, couple questions:
could we use ira at center? jus let him snap the ball then maul people. i know weve got dillard but with the extra schollies and overall lack of depth there, id be ok with signing two and having the position covered for years

also, how does sign and place work? if it helps us land ineligible kids like daniels and hearns for 2014 then i dont see why not

staff will sign a center next year.

If they can get into other schools let the kids go to another 4 year program. If they cant you have to recruit them all over again out of JUCO or prep anyways no need for the sign and place IMO.

[sgtfury]

What would Saban do? Of course he would take him and then make everyone compete for their scholarships. If you are good enough you stay on the team...if not bye bye or medical hardship. Oversigning is a great way to truly find out who can play and it doesn't seem to effect their future recruiting because they are so successful.

Saban, does not sign unathletic OL prospects. And, that is the wrap on Denson.

[DieAGator]

addition by subtraction

What do you mean?

I'd like to hear from AZ as to who he feels we have an honest chance with(50% or better) and compare those players to Denson. We'll likely finish with some 3 stars to fill out positions of need and Denson is certainly at least a 3 star OL in spite of weaknesses real or imagined.

It's expected that some recruits will not work out. Happens to all schools great and not so great. It's not like Denson has to work out.

[GATORAZ]

What do you mean?

I'd like to hear from AZ as to who he feels we have an honest chance with(50% or better) and compare those players to Denson. We'll likely finish with some 3 stars to fill out positions of need and Denson is certainly at least a 3 star OL in spite of weaknesses real or imagined.

It's expected that some recruits will not work out. Happens to all schools great and not so great. It's not like Denson has to work out.

Die have you seen Ira play?

[DieAGator]

Die have you seen Ira play?

No, but top 20 OL by all the services tells me he can't be THAT bad(4 at ESPN, 10 Scout, 2 at Rivals).

I expect us to close with some players that leave a little to be desired compared to the Hearns/Nkemdiche/Mont Adams of this national class. It would be one thing if Denson didn't want to play at Florida but I get the feeling he does, or would.

[GATORAZ]

No, but top 20 OL by all the services tells me he can't be THAT bad(4 at ESPN, 10 Scout, 2 at Rivals).

I expect us to close with some players that leave a little to be desired compared to the Hearns/Nkemdiche/Mont Adams of this national class. It would be one thing if Denson didn't want to play at Florida but I get the feeling he does, or would.

That's the funny part about Ira is no one has seen him play but people swear he is great. Not only have you not seen him play but you also haven't seen the other guys the staff is looking at play. You also haven't talked to him. I love how people keep pointing to his rankings like that validates him. If the guy is so good why are other schools not bringing him in for visits when everybody knows he is looking for another school?

[gator7_5]

That's the funny part about Ira is no one has seen him play but people swear he is great. Not only have you not seen him play but you also haven't seen the other guys the staff is looking at play. You also haven't talked to him. I love how people keep pointing to his rankings like that validates him. If the guy is so good why are other schools not bringing him in for visits when everybody knows he is looking for another school?

I hear what you are saying and totally get it that our staff doesn't think he's uf material, but wouldn't you think all of the services have seen film on him, evaluated and interviewed him at AA game and combines, etc...

The practice reports I read at the AA gaem were very positive.

Must be a serious personality issue for NOONE to want him.

[GATORAZ]

I hear what you are saying and totally get it that our staff doesn't think he's uf material, but wouldn't you think all of the services have seen film on him, evaluated and interviewed him at AA game and combines, etc...

The practice reports I read at the AA gaem were very positive.

Must be a serious personality issue for NOONE to want him.

All the recruiting sites are also high on Tyrone Crowder. Crowder is like 5'11 and also fat. Gator staff and everybody else also told him no. Should the staff call him up and take his commitment too since the recruiting sites have him rated high?

[AndrewSpivey]

All the recruiting sites are also high on Tyrone Crowder. Crowder is like 5'11 and also fat. Gator staff and everybody else also told him no. Should the staff call him up and take his commitment too since the recruiting sites have him rated high?

Crowder is too short but he is solid. If he was 2 inches taller he would be a stud. He is Clemson bound

[gator7_5]

All the recruiting sites are also high on Tyrone Crowder. Crowder is like 5'11 and also fat. Gator staff and everybody else also told him no. Should the staff call him up and take his commitment too since the recruiting sites have him rated high?

Nope. I made it clear I could see, especially with our OL haul, why CWM didn't take Ira. My question is why NOONE would.

There's probably a coach or two out there who weren't high on Tebow. Understandable. He didn't fit every system. But for NOONE in the country to even let a 4* OL recuit so much as visit just seems really weird.

And apparently Crowder was good enough to get a scholly from Clemson.

[UGator]

It has taken years and years for the Bowden mystique to wear off and now they're in the ACC and don't always have a first choice when it comes to recruiting or even being in a relevant conference.

Our '80's NCAA infractions paved the way for their supremacy over us until Spurrier arrived, and even he could'nt beat them at Doke (Bobby Bowden Field).

Now, they're shuddering at our rise to championship contender status and all their coaches leaving have them imploding! All their recruits should be shuddering also.

[jhbyrd]

With the bond Ira and Andrew have built up you never know what could happen.

[GATORAZ]

FSU's all word tackle recruit Austin Golson just decommitted as expected.

[gatormonk]

FSU's all word tackle recruit Austin Golson just decommitted as expected.

Ole Miss?

[GATORAZ]

DE Davin Bellamy as expected is no longer committed to FSU

[elrongator]

I can't say I wouldn't be psyched to grab all the REFsu guys ditching them that have consensus 4* or better.
It would crush their fans, give us even more depth along the lines and result in a serious buzz that might actually help our rankings next year. Say what you want, but starting ranked highly for whatever the reason is better than than having to climb and possibly not make it.
Why suffer from pollster ignorance when we could manipulate it and if the kids turn out to be worthy...even better.
I see it as a no lose situation.