The Following

[FrankGator627]

Fox's new show starring Kevin Bacon.

Anyone watching? What do you think?

Looks good but I just wonder how long the story can continue

[northgagator]

It was way better than I hoped it would be.

I liked the way it ended.

Having Bacon confer with the serial killer to catch his accomplice is going to be interesting.

[LeafUF]

Didn't see it because I get the feeling it will be canceled within 8 episodes. If it gets past 8 maybe ill give it a look on hulu

[northgagator]

Didn't see it because I get the feeling it will be canceled within 8 episodes. If it gets past 8 maybe ill give it a look on hulu

FYI The acting and the rest of the cast is pretty solid with a couple of well known names. There is good chemistry within the cast.
The pace of the show is fast (not to fast). The dialogue is believable and very good. The plot is very good and interest (keeps you thinking). I get the feel that with the good acting and script writing that this show wi make it at least one season.

[gatorjjh]

I watched it and was pleasantly surprised, solid story & good cast interaction, I always reserve judgement until the show has run at least half a dozen episodes, lots of folks can come up with a good premise it is making it last more than a few shows that sets the better shows apart from the rest.

[northgagator]

I have a feeling that this show can catch on like Person of Interest did in its first year.

[FrankGator627]

FYI The acting and the rest of the cast is pretty solid with a couple of well known names. There is good chemistry within the cast.
The pace of the show is fast (not to fast). The dialogue is believable and very good. The plot is very good and interest (keeps you thinking). I get the feel that with the good acting and script writing that this show wi make it at least one season.

I feel like it'll be Fox's new "24". Former big screen actor turns TV FBI man. The girl who played Sarah Fuller is fantastic as a potential abductee. Lol. She's also the daughter from "Taken" with Liam Neeson. I was at the edge of my seat concerned for her.

[ArtVandelay]

Just watched this. I agree with Frank about the longevity of the show. I think it will definitely last a season, but where can they go from there? I won't watch more than 1 season of them trying to stop the guard, girl and 2 guys. There would have to be some other major twist.

[romeg8r]

I think the idea is that he is going to connect with more and more serial killers. That is why they took the time to point out that there were around 300 serial killers operating in America at any given time. I think the concept of this series will be this super smart killer having used his time on the internet to create a cult group of serial killers. Therefore, there will be new killers introduced as some are caught or killed.

[GatorPrincess8]

I haven't seen it, but if they did a new He-Man movie Bacon could play Skeletor.

[northgagator]

I haven't seen it, but if they did a new He-Man movie Bacon could play Skeletor.

Wow! Good call

[scubadude007]

I saw it and hope it goes a full season, hell'uva pilot to get it started!

[romeg8r]

I think he made the effort to look like that. It was what the role called for. We were talking about that while watching it. Actors will often gain or lose weight for a role.

[LeafUF]

I think he made the effort to look like that. It was what the role called for. We were talking about that while watching it. Actors will often gain or lose weight for a role.

While that is true its usually not so extreme for TV like it is in film. That potentially means maintaining that appearance for years or worse gaining and losing weight between seasons.

[romeg8r]

He might just look like hell these days.

[LeafUF]

I think so bc he didn't look much better in the xmen movie he did either.

[gatorjjh]

looking forward to episode 2 on Monday night :wink:

[Strikepackagegator]

Wife DVR'd it and we just finished it. Thought it was pretty intense for TV! We will watch the season.

[adgator]

FOX is comitted to 15 episodes! I think it's a winner

[FrankGator627]

Another awesome episode tonight!

[LeafUF]

FOX is comitted to 15 episodes! I think it's a winner

Does that give it basically a full first season since it had a mid-season start? That may be a good sign for a season 2. Either way, I will have to wait until DVD or try online because my DVR cant take any more shows.

[gatorjjh]

so far so good, another intense episode last night :wink:

[mfpardnor2]

I watched the first last night and thought that it was very well done.
I can see this lasting at least 2 seasons as they will introduce more Serial Killers across the country.

[northgagator]

That girl is really a good actor. She is cute but after she knifed her mother I would never want to turn my back on her.

Question: Near the end of last night's episode the FBI director visited the prison and gave the main serial killer a book of Poe's works. My wife and I at the same time said that she is in on it too. Anyone agree?

[tricky23]

That girl is really a good actor. She is cute but after she knifed her mother I would never want to turn my back on her.

Question: Near the end of last night's episode the FBI director visited the prison and gave the main serial killer a book of Poe's works. My wife and I at the same time said that she is in on it too. Anyone agree?

My wife and I said the same thing. Would they make it that obvious? after I thought about it, I think they are trying to throw us off.

[FrankGator627]

Idk...it seemed too obvious. I do think someone in the FBI group is compromised. I would guess the young guy that was originally trying to profile him.

[northgagator]

Idk...it seemed too obvious. I do think someone in the FBI group is compromised. I would guess the young guy that was originally trying to profile him.

Interesting....,
Be overt with the FBI director to throw us off
And have the young guy be a mole.

Not a bad theory!

[gatorjjh]

Idk...it seemed too obvious. I do think someone in the FBI group is compromised. I would guess the young guy that was originally trying to profile him.

he is my guess - at least for now :)

[ArtVandelay]

The guy in the Poe mask jumping out at Bacon and Emma killing her Mom were really great "gotcha" moments last night.

I hope the young guy is clean. I like him. I think the older Black Guy could be in on this.

Not sure why the guard would let her give him a book if it wasn't legit, but there was no mention of the request, so it could be a decoy. I think they want us to think she is in on it. She is an expert on cults.

[FrankGator627]

The guy in the Poe mask jumping out at Bacon and Emma killing her Mom were really great "gotcha" moments last night.

I hope the young guy is clean. I like him. I think the older Black Guy could be in on this.

Not sure why the guard would let her give him a book if it wasn't legit, but there was no mention of the request, so it could be a decoy. I think they want us to think she is in on it. She is an expert on cults.

He was complaining about books or something to Bacon when Bacon visited him towards the end of the episode. So there was something there. She could be trying to play him into giving her info by acting like she's falling for him.

I thought the older black guy might be but he seems to be too open with his disdain of Bacon so idk. I'd put him as third possible.

The young guy was at the house when the Poe mask thing happened and he didn't see anything or help him? Was he actually the guy in the mask?

[ArtVandelay]

The young guy was at the house when the Poe mask thing happened and he didn't see anything or help him? Was he actually the guy in the mask?

I think the guy is the mask will be the next to get caught (should be next episode) so I doubt it was the young guy.

They really need to have someone get captured/killed in every episode to keep my attention...

[FrankGator627]

I think the guy is the mask will be the next to get caught (should be next episode) so I doubt it was the young guy.

They really need to have someone get captured/killed in every episode to keep my attention...

I still think the young FBI guy is in on it. And I guess they kept your attention for another week. ;)

[gatorjjh]

my guess is the young FBI guy at least for now - another good episode, not sure if they can keep coming up with the surprise twists without getting too whacko to keep my interest

[jwalkergator]

The video with Joe's son last night was beyond creepy. I had to go in and check on my boy after watching that. The intensity keeps getting ratcheted up.

[ArtVandelay]

I still think the young FBI guy is in on it. And I guess they kept your attention for another week. ;)

Yes they have. I think all of the episodes have been strong.

I am hoping it is not the young FBI guy.

I think they want you to think its the cult lady. Even though her giving him the book isn't a secret anymore, she did misread (maybe on purpose) the wife.

[ArtVandelay]

Did anyone watch last night?

I'm not crazy about the lawyer angle. Still a pretty good episode. Will be interesting how Bacon escapes, as we all know he doesn't die anytime soon.

My out there prediction: the guy who has never killed anyone will kill someone soon...but it will either be the girl or the other guy as he will help out Bacon/FBI.

[gatorjjh]

I watched- I really like the show, just worried that it could be a one season wonder- the writer(s) are doing great so far but the kind of edge of your seat drama is hard to pull off on a consistent basis without dipping into the cheesy tricks stuff

kind of a nice lead in to Castle at our house :wink:

[ArtVandelay]

Pretty good episode last night. I like how Ryan was messing with them.

I still don't trust the cult lady...

I don't think the young FBI guy is out of the clear yet. I hope not, but he still might be on the bad team since he was wearing a vest.

The thing I don't like is how they can just keep adding people to the team and there is nothing anyone can do about it. At some point, that is going to get annoying.

I still think that Emma's boyfriend is going to kill her.

[gatorjjh]

they keep putting together good episodes and surprises through the shows, I am enjoying it so far, still it is hard to maintain a single theme story quality over a long period of time

[northgagator]

Pretty good episode last night. I like how Ryan was messing with them.

I agree on Ryan. He found an opening to exploit and played it well. I believe that an experience FBI agent would do just what he did.

I still don't trust the cult lady...

My jury is still out on her. I think she is a loose cannon. I am referring to her background as a cult victim. I think that background (past hurt/baggage) is going to put her into jeopardy.

I don't think the young FBI guy is out of the clear yet. I hope not, but he still might be on the bad team since he was wearing a vest.

Good point, but I think he is more of a follower of Ryan. Of course that could be a ploy to get us to look the other way.

The thing I don't like is how they can just keep adding people to the team and there is nothing anyone can do about it. At some point, that is going to get annoying.

Another good point. I am finding hard to believe that the serial killer (joe Carrol). Can run and maintain such a large and diverse cult from prison. Another unbelievable point is that he gets visitors with private/confidential conversations for being a convicted felon and the apparent ring leader of his son's kidnapping.

I still think that Emma's boyfriend is going to kill her.

Or that Joe escapes from prison and kills her.

As for last night, the securing of the hideout house was unbelievable. In real life situations there would of been a effort to control the general traffic in the surround area. Of course it is possible for insurgents to infiltrate the perimeter and enable the escape. That is a pretty sophisticated effort and skill set for a cult. But this is Hollywood and it has to stay entertaing

[romeg8r]

I love the show. But, with cops and agents being killed a judge would agree to locking Joe in solitary confinement with no visitors.

[ArtVandelay]

I love the show. But, with cops and agents being killed a judge would agree to locking Joe in solitary confinement with no visitors.

The visitors are all flashbacks, except for the lawyer. I do agree that its odd that he was able to talk without anyone knowing what he is saying in the past. Seems like those rights should be lost.

[jwalkergator]

I usually try to not nitpick a show and just allow it to entertain me but the last episode is pushing me to kind of lose my interest. I just find it really hard to believe that Joe Carroll can orchestrate such a large conspiracy from his jail cell without being thrown into the hole for life. He did kill prison guards, escape and kill the victim that got away in the very first episode.

I am also having a hard time with how incompetent the FBI and US Marshal Service is. Where is Raylan Givens when you really need him?

You would think that the visitor's log for Joe would provide enough info on other potential followers and that these people would be under constant scrutiny.

I understand that it is cliche to give viewers a happy ending but at some point the FBI needs to at least get the upper hand in one episode. They should just declare Carroll a domestic terrorist and send him to Gitmo for some waterboarding. I would like to see him squirm a little bit and have his screws turned.

[scubadude007]

As for last night, the securing of the hideout house was unbelievable. In real life situations there would of been a effort to control the general traffic in the surround area. Of course it is possible for insurgents to infiltrate the perimeter and enable the escape. That is a pretty sophisticated effort and skill set for a cult. But this is Hollywood and it has to stay entertaining

That's what I couldn't believe, in real life in a situation like this, they wouldn't have gotten within a hundred yards of the place without being sniped. Gotta love Hollywood.

So who do you think Rodrick is? hmmmm

Thought it might be Charlie at first .... wrong guess there! Nickname for Joe? Mystery to me right now.

[Hankxr]

How did Joe's wife get away from the nutcase ant the end of the latest show? Did I just space through her escape?

[FrankGator627]

How did Joe's wife get away from the nutcase ant the end of the latest show? Did I just space through her escape?

The FBI raided it and the follower through a smoke grenade so he could sneak out an escape tunnel

[Hankxr]

Thanks - I saw that part - for some reason I thought he took her with him. DOH!

[ArtVandelay]

Very disappointing episode tonight. There was no hiding that he was going to escape and how they let someone like him pull it off is very unrealistic. Also, now that he is out again, they can't have him caught and continue in jail.

I did like the ending where he is now united with most of his cult. That is interesting.

This has the feel of a 1 year miniseries. which would be fine with me. I can't see this going past a 2nd year and I'm not sure they will be able to last that long either.

[gatorjjh]

I think by getting him out of prison they are opening more story lines, I don't get the feeling it will wrap for good at the end of this year. The writers are the best at maintaining intensity the entire hour....

[FrankGator627]

I just don't get why he gave himself up in the beginning of the series, if he was going to escape again.

I guess they needed him out to open up more "followers" and keep the series life open.

[ArtVandelay]

Do you think its possible that he gets caught again and the show continues with him in jail? A manhunt for him just doesn't do it for me. The large group of idiots, I mean followers, at the mansion is interesting.

[jwalkergator]

Hopefully we get an episode shortly on what all of these fools are supposedly following. What is the end game for these people? Also, hopefully we get an episode or two where the good guys get the upper hand. A compelling story or episode would be to see Joe's plans unraveling and have him come undone a bit.

[northgagator]

Guys, this story is going to have a lot of ebb and flow between the good guys an the bad guys. If this I'd done carefully show will draw good ratings. I like the show last night. The escape was believable however not original. Several other shows have used a similar approach. At least they did not make it a commando raid like rescues. I thought the scene where the security guard got his gut slashed with a straight razor was extremely wicked and well done.

Last week some one on this board asked who I thought Rodwick (Brodwick?). I got an idea. This idea also resolves a nagging issue that I had every episode. I found it hard to believe that Joe could run such a sophisticated cult from prison. Now I know how. Joe may not be the head cult leader. I believe that Rodwick is. And Joe is his protege.

Did anyone see it coming when Joe killed the lawyer? I had a feeling it was headed that way but I was surprised and impressed with the how.

[ArtVandelay]

Last week some one on this board asked who I thought Rodwick (Brodwick?). I got an idea. This idea also resolves a nagging issue that I had every episode. I found it hard to believe that Joe could run such a sophisticated cult from prison. Now I know how. Joe may not be the head cult leader. I believe that Rodwick is. And Joe is his protege.

I think its Rodrick...Very interesting theory, if true. The people at the mansion seemed to think Joe was the leader.

[romeg8r]

Perhaps Rodrick is the FBI agent working with Ryan.

[scubadude007]

Perhaps Rodrick is the FBI agent working with Ryan.

Was thinking the same thing after last week Rome with her family history. However that might be what the writers want everyone to think!
It'll be interesting to watch how tonight and the next couple of weeks unfolds.

[FrankGator627]

Tonight's episode was wild...

[ArtVandelay]

I like how the good guys got the upperhand tonight!

Obviously there is an FBI mole. Is it Debra? the new guy?

I'm rooting for Weston. I only like him and Ryan.

I think the next couple of episodes you will see the good guys winning.

I don't understand why Charlie let them down again? Why did he kill himself? Because he didn't kill Weston and get the info? I thought that was silly and unnecessary.

I see the kid lying to Joe to make him think he likes him, but eventually will help the FBI. He has to know he is a bad guy.

[gatorjjh]

nice to see the good guys win a round for a change, thinking the end of the show encounters will come back to haunt the followers and not in a good way :)

[northgagator]

I like how the good guys got the upperhand tonight!
Yes it was nice to have a positive upswing. However, things did get a little dark and twisted in the final ten minutes.


Obviously there is an FBI mole. Is it Debra? the new guy? The new guy? if you are referring to Donovan, the new head honcho of the FBI unit then I agree with you. He sent Weston home and probably tipped of Roderick and his crew of thugs. It had to be Donovan because the bad guys were waiting for Weston in the parking log.

Debra is totally worthless as an FBI agent. I sort of understand Hardy and her not calling in backup (but they should of). What I do not understand is why she was caught totally flat footed outside of the building. Roderick, Charile, and the woman got away too easy. She should of been able to plug all three of them. However doing that would of been too big of a victory for the home team.

I'm rooting for Weston. I only like him and Ryan.
Same here, they are the only likeable guys on the show. In a creepy way Joe is likeable but then again serial killers are supposed to be charming.

I think the next couple of episodes you will see the good guys winning. I not betting on anything. The show has already a lot of strange twists.

I don't understand why Charlie let them down again? Why did he kill himself? Because he didn't kill Weston and get the info? I thought that was silly and unnecessary.
Charlie was a flawed nut case. He did not have much self esteem. I recall the incident when he admitted his love to Claire Matthews (Joe's Exwife) and he broke down almost sobbing that he was not worthy to his master (Joe). Early in the show last night
Charlie apologized to Joe for not bringing in Claire and promised not to fail him again. Thus when Charlie came back from the failed kidnapping/murder of Weston I was not surprised that Charlie offerred his life to Joe. I believe the scene was put in to display more of the total devotion the Following has for Joe.

I see the kid lying to Joe to make him think he likes him, but eventually will help the FBI. He has to know he is a bad guy. Agree totally. I see the kid getting a hold of a cell phone (like he did back at the farm) and getting another rescue mission going.

By the way the location of the bad guys hide out is probably very close to the city were the FBI is camped out (Richmond?). I say this because Roderich and his crew were quickly on the scene at Weston's appartment.

[ArtVandelay]

Yes it was nice to have a positive upswing. However, things did get a little dark and twisted in the final ten minutes.


The new guy? if you are referring to Donovan, the new head honcho of the FBI unit then I agree with you. He sent Weston home and probably tipped of Roderick and his crew of thugs. It had to be Donovan because the bad guys were waiting for Weston in the parking log.

Debra is totally worthless as an FBI agent. I sort of understand Hardy and her not calling in backup (but they should of). What I do not understand is why she was caught totally flat footed outside of the building. Roderick, Charile, and the woman got away too easy. She should of been able to plug all three of them. However doing that would of been too big of a victory for the home team.


Same here, they are the only likeable guys on the show. In a creepy way Joe is likeable but then again serial killers are supposed to be charming.

I not betting on anything. The show has already a lot of strange twists.


Charlie was a flawed nut case. He did not have much self esteem. I recall the incident when he admitted his love to Claire Matthews (Joe's Exwife) and he broke down almost sobbing that he was not worthy to his master (Joe). Early in the show last night
Charlie apologized to Joe for not bringing in Claire and promised not to fail him again. Thus when Charlie came back from the failed kidnapping/murder of Weston I was not surprised that Charlie offerred his life to Joe. I believe the scene was put in to display more of the total devotion the Following has for Joe.

Agree totally. I see the kid getting a hold of a cell phone (like he did back at the farm) and getting another rescue mission going.

By the way the location of the bad guys hide out is probably very close to the city were the FBI is camped out (Richmond?). I say this because Roderich and his crew were quickly on the scene at Weston's appartment.

North: I still think it could be Debra since she haven't been too helpful, but I think they want us to believe that its one of those two. If they can someone make an even bigger twist without being ridiculous, I will be very impressed.

I understand what you are saying about Charlie and the devotion. I just think that Roderick was the one to blame for last night.

If Weston can help identify Roderick, that could be a big break for them.

[rburnett]

i didnt get the joe stabbing himself part at the end of the episode... i thought, oh he just fake killed the hacker guy? but my wife said no.. he def killed that guy.

[pringleg]

Gave up on the show as it got totally unbelievable. It started out ok but in the last few episodes it is really lost all realism.

[romeg8r]

The key thing was Joe giving into having sex with psycho girl. It clearly was not in his plans and he tends to completely control his plan. That group will slowly unravel.

[609gjk]

Just saw where it has been renewed for 15 more episodes. Not sure when.

[jwalkergator]

It also seems Roderick's little bubble has been busted. He doesn't seem to be adjusting well to playing second fiddle to Joe. He has been the man for 8 years. Joe giving into to psycho girl was a bad call on his part.

[northgagator]

North: I still think it could be Debra since she haven't been too helpful, but I think they want us to believe that its one of those two. If they can someone make an even bigger twist without being ridiculous, I will be very impressed.
I agree and there will be some twisting.

I I understand what you are saying about Charlie and the devotion. I just think that Roderick was the one to blame for last night. Again I agree.

If Weston can help identify Roderick, that could be a big break for them.

That is a good point and I did not see it until I read your post.

[northgagator]

The key thing was Joe giving into having sex with psycho girl. It clearly was not in his plans and he tends to completely control his plan. That group will slowly unravel.

You are correct. I wonder if Joe will come under her spell!

[northgagator]

It also seems Roderick's little bubble has been busted. He doesn't seem to be adjusting well to playing second fiddle to Joe. He has been the man for 8 years. Joe giving into to psycho girl was a bad call on his part.

The rough sex scene may of been Roderick's way of venting off what you are referring to.

I still wonder if the one guy (who has not made his first kill) is going to show up and stir things up.

[northgagator]

I like how the good guys got the upperhand tonight!
The bad guys still racked up on the body count but the suffered one killed and one captured.

Obviously there is an FBI mole. Is it Debra? the new guy? Donovan (the Black FBI director) is still screwing things up. It's got to be him.

I wonder what sort of info the crazy chick will give them. I see Debra using her cult background to interrogate her.

[gatorjjh]

I wonder what sort of info the crazy chick will give them. I see Debra using her cult background to interrogate her.


Crazy Chick will pull something painful then die

[ArtVandelay]

Watched the last 2 episodes last night.

-I am over the Jake and Emma storyline. She is annoying and I don't see him as a bad boy. I thought him seeing his mom would lead him to turn against the cult.

- I find it strange that they can't get the upperhand on the cult considering all of the technology you would think the FBI and CIA have. I think that there is definitely a mole and it would have to be the female or black guy otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

- not sure how I feel about Ryan's ex being in on everything. Seems like he would have figured something out considering how good of an agent he is. Plus, wouldn't they have seen her in viewing jail logs.

Still 2 good episodes. Looking forward to how they finish this season off. I still think it would be best as a 1 season "movie"

[gatorjjh]

seems too successful for a 1 season show- now that Claire in the Castle I think they have opened a second front for story lines - still a pretty good show :joecool:

[kellgator]

I still think it would be best as a 1 season "movie"

Agreed. A second season has "Prison Break" written all over it. Great premise and very entertaining first season, but trying to stretch it out just lead to a ridiculous story line and disappointment.

[northgagator]

Watched the last 2 episodes last night.

-I am over the Jake and Emma storyline. She is annoying and I don't see him as a bad boy. I thought him seeing his mom would lead him to turn against the cult.

The last scene between Emma and Jacob was foretelling. Jacob telling Emma to watch her back was a clear warning that Jacob was past his issue with killing. Maybe Jacob is going to be the catalyst to bring the cult down from the inside.


I find it strange that they can't get the upperhand on the cult considering all of the technology you would think the FBI and CIA have. I think that there is definitely a mole and it would have to be the female or black guy otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
It maybe Donovon (the black guy), however some of the clues to that are a little too obivious. In other words getting to look that way when the mole is somewhere else.

- not sure how I feel about Ryan's ex being in on everything. Seems like he would have figured something out considering how good of an agent he is. Plus, wouldn't they have seen her in viewing jail logs.

I missed that part. Was that last week. Also, what part or action did she take?

Still 2 good episodes. Looking forward to how they finish this season off. I still think it would be best as a 1 season "movie"

Agree.

Also two points of my own:

One, I believe that Joe is suspecious or tired of Roderick. Joe insisted that Roderick take part in the successful capture of Claire. I got this feeling when Joe told Roderick you have failed twice. I do not believe that Roderick is going to volunteer to be gutted like Charlie did.

Two, Debra (FBI Agent partnered up with Ryan) had a scene where she and another agent were clicking through a web site that looked like a recruiting or communication board for the cult. I believe the next episode or two will go more into Debra's past and into the rituals or inner workings of the cult.

[ArtVandelay]

good points North.

The end of last nights episode had Ryan's ex (the one that was in the flashbacks) show up and hug Joe.

I think the website is going to help them find the cult. I assume they will post a fake email and get information that way.

[northgagator]

good points North.

The end of last nights episode had Ryan's ex (the one that was in the flashbacks) show up and hug Joe.

I think the website is going to help them find the cult. I assume they will post a fake email and get information that way.

Thanks for the info.

I saw that last scene but I did not make the connection that you did.
Great catch on your part.

If I am not mistaken when Ryan was in the hide out with old FBI buddy and Claire I believe he had a flashback of his ex. Also his buddy made a comment about her.

[gatorjjh]

If I am not mistaken when Ryan was in the hide out with old FBI buddy and Claire I believe he had a flashback of his ex. Also his buddy made a comment about her.

that was the way I saw it as well :)

[adgator]

I liked the show when it first came out but they have really "jumped the shark" and the ratings have been going down 10% a week and now with The Voice will go down even more. I doubt they renew, reminds me of Golden Boy and Red Widow that just keep going down hill after decent beginnings. Also cable is killing it with Vikings Banshee Justified Sons of Anarchy Sparticus Americans and the #1 cable show The Bible. By the way "Jumping the Shark" comes from way back with Happy Days when Fonzie went from being the cool biker to doing an Evil Kneviel stunt. I think the network show that just keeps getting better is Person of Interest !

[ArtVandelay]

Thanks for the info.

I saw that last scene but I did not make the connection that you did.
Great catch on your part.

If I am not mistaken when Ryan was in the hide out with old FBI buddy and Claire I believe he had a flashback of his ex. Also his buddy made a comment about her.

That is how I made the connection. The flashbacks and also his buddy talking about her.

[kygator]

The last scene between Emma and Jacob was foretelling. Jacob telling Emma to watch her back was a clear warning that Jacob was past his issue with killing. Maybe Jacob is going to be the catalyst to bring the cult down from the inside.



It maybe Donovon (the black guy), however some of the clues to that are a little too obivious. In other words getting to look that way when the mole is somewhere else.



I missed that part. Was that last week. Also, what part or action did she take?



Agree.

Also two points of my own:

One, I believe that Joe is suspecious or tired of Roderick. Joe insisted that Roderick take part in the successful capture of Claire. I got this feeling when Joe told Roderick you have failed twice. I do not believe that Roderick is going to volunteer to be gutted like Charlie did.

Two, Debra (FBI Agent partnered up with Ryan) had a scene where she and another agent were clicking through a web site that looked like a recruiting or communication board for the cult. I believe the next episode or two will go more into Debra's past and into the rituals or inner workings of the cult.

I agree. Roderick seems to be in it just because he is evil and likes killing. He doesn't worship Joe like many of the other followers, and won't sacrifice himself.

[ArtVandelay]

I agree. Roderick seems to be in it just because he is evil and likes killing. He doesn't worship Joe like many of the other followers, and won't sacrifice himself.

They made it seem like he owe's Joe for something. I couldn't really figure out what even though they had a flashback awhile ago.

[northgagator]

They made it seem like he owe's Joe for something. I couldn't really figure out what even though they had a flashback awhile ago.

There was a flash back scene in the episode a week or two ago.
Joe knew Roderick back in 2003. He taught Roderick about how to kill a woman, demonstrating on a young woman bound and gagged to a table in an underground room. A year later, Joe is in prison, and Roderick thanks him for taking the fall. Roderick killed two of the women that Joe admitted to killing, and did it to protect Roderick, so he could reach his full potential. http://www.fearnet.com/news/review/tv-recap-following-episode-108-welcome-home

[ArtVandelay]

There was a flash back scene in the episode a week or two ago.
http://www.fearnet.com/news/review/tv-recap-following-episode-108-welcome-home

I know that is why he owes him. What I can't figure out is why he would want to kill the women. Was he already an officer? Did he become an officer to help Joe with his game? They haven't explained that yet.

[gatorjjh]

I know that is why he owes him. What I can't figure out is why he would want to kill the women. Was he already an officer? Did he become an officer to help Joe with his game? They haven't explained that yet.

I love the show but it is nearly as arcane as Twin Peaks :laugh:

[rburnett]

starting to lose interest... the way they found Clair was just so absurd.

[northgagator]

I still like the show. The other night it was more believable.

The rift between Joe and Broderick is real visible.

The scene in the S&M dungeon was interesting.

The scene at the training school explained some of the efficiency and blind devotion the followers have got the cult (deprevation chamber).

It was creepy when Hardy's ex girlfriend told Joe that here own personal body was higher. Also, later on when's asked Joe if she could kill Hardy.

[ArtVandelay]

I still like the show. The other night it was more believable.

The rift between Joe and Broderick is real visible.

The scene in the S&M dungeon was interesting.

The scene at the training school explained some of the efficiency and blind devotion the followers have got the cult (deprevation chamber).

It was creepy when Hardy's ex girlfriend told Joe that here own personal body was higher. Also, later on when's asked Joe if she could kill Hardy.

They need to go deeper with why these people are crazy (like Roderick and Hardy's ex) Why would she want to join? Why would she want to kill Ryan?

Also, the more meetings we see while Joe was in prison the more I keep thinking 'Why didn't they look all of the people that visited him in prison. It seems like it was a huge list'

I don't care for the "new" Jacob. I don't really care about him and Emma anymore. He has plenty of chances to kill and be a bad-ass and he was a wuss.

I think they need to get Claire out of there soon. She isn't going to love Joe and Joe will know she is faking.

[northgagator]

The armory is turning out to be a treasure trove for the FBI.

Also, Joe's new guy (the trainer) had created a split between Joe and Roderick, but Hardy shot him

Claire is playing games with Roderick.. I bet Roderick has his own end game so that he does not let Joe take him down.

The beating turned Weston into a bad ads cop.

Joe's raid on the militia house was believable. The phone jammer actually helped Joe .The scene between Joe and Ryan was informative but way too long. Interesting how Joe spared Weston and Debra when he left. but Joe has a dramatic finish planned.

I was disappointed again with Debra 's action. She should of taken a defensive position to get the drop on Jacob. Also, when is Debra going to show off het cult skills. So far all that she has done is to get people killed.

Claire, is really F'ing with Joes head. Look for more unraveling for Joe.

Emma is unraveling too. She is going to F up things big time. I bet that Clair kills her.

So Ryan avenged his father's death.

[ArtVandelay]

Interesting episode. I think they wanted you to believe Jacob killed the guy, but I don't think he did. I'm not sure about Debra's roll in all of this. I think Weston and Ryan will be the ones that take Joe down. I still think they can't keep Claire there too long, but its good that she is messing with Joe. I think maybe Joe will kill Emma to appease Claire.

I think Roderick showing up is going to be bad news for Roderick and the house. If Weston isn't around to ID him, then I think Ryan is going to figure it out. The sketch was pretty good.

[ArtVandelay]

Interesting episode. I think they wanted you to believe Jacob killed the guy, but I don't think he did. I'm not sure about Debra's roll in all of this. I think Weston and Ryan will be the ones that take Joe down. I still think they can't keep Claire there too long, but its good that she is messing with Joe. I think maybe Joe will kill Emma to appease Claire.

I think Roderick showing up is going to be bad news for Roderick and the house. If Weston isn't around to ID him, then I think Ryan is going to figure it out. The sketch was pretty good.

Anyone watch Monday's episode?

I knew they couldn't keep Roderick as an officer too long. I like that they didn't try to pull one over on Weston. It was too obvious. I think Joe is running out of options (that are at the house now) I don't think he can kill Claire either. She is too much of a bargaining chip. I expect some crazy twist to try to keep this game going (especially if they want a 2nd season)

Still hoping for a crazy end to Season 1 and think it would be better for one season as I have said before.

[gatorjjh]

losing interest in this one, found better options the last 2 weeks........

[ArtVandelay]

losing interest in this one, found better options the last 2 weeks........

like?

I DVR the show so I can watch it whenever. I still think its pretty good.

[kygator]

It will be interesting to see how it can last multiple seasons. I'm not sure how interested I'll be in a season 3 if they are still looking for Joe. After a while, bad FBI decisions become annoying.

[gatorjjh]

like?

I DVR the show so I can watch it whenever. I still think its pretty good.

2 weeks ago NCAA Championship game
this weeks watched Winchester 73

I don't think the show is awful- some aspects are outstanding but it just hasn't held my interest like i hoped it would after the first 2 or 3 episodes

[northgagator]

Anyone watch Monday's episode?

I did Art!

I knew they couldn't keep Roderick as an officer too long. I like that they didn't try to pull one over on Weston. It was too obvious.

I thought it was funny that they had the sketch of Roderick on the wall in the police station and no one picked up it. Especially with Roderick standing next to it. At first I thought the show was going to tease us with Weston and Roderick just missing each other. Their confrontation was believable and so was Roderick's escape.

i think Joe is running out of options (that are at the house now)

Hardy started playing Joe big time when he sensed that Joe was decomposing. Thus forcing Joe to get sloppy or desperate.

I don't think he can kill Claire either. She is too much of a bargaining chip. I expect some crazy twist to try to keep this game going (especially if they want a 2nd season))

When Claire started kidding Joe I started buying in that Claire was going to sacrifice herself to save her son. I was pleasantly surprised when she stabbed Joe.

I don't see Joe surviving this season. I bet Someone like Roderick or Jacob survives and takes over the cult.

Still hoping for a crazy end to Season 1 and think it would be better for one season as I have said before. This why I think Joe does not survive. Him moving on will enable a second season to happen.

[kygator]

I thought it was funny that they had the sketch of Roderick on the wall in the police station and no one picked up it. Especially with Roderick standing next to it.

Did anyone else think of this picture when they saw Roderick standing next to his sketch?

http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/news-anchor-looks-like-wanted-rapist-15953-1236643459-9.jpg

[ArtVandelay]

I did Art!



I thought it was funny that they had the sketch of Roderick on the wall in the police station and no one picked up it. Especially with Roderick standing next to it. At first I thought the show was going to tease us with Weston and Roderick just missing each other. Their confrontation was believable and so was Roderick's escape.



Hardy started playing Joe big time when he sensed that Joe was decomposing. Thus forcing Joe to get sloppy or desperate.



When Claire started kidding Joe I started buying in that Claire was going to sacrifice herself to save her son. I was pleasantly surprised when she stabbed Joe.

I don't see Joe surviving this season. I bet Someone like Roderick or Jacob survives and takes over the cult.

This why I think Joe does not survive. Him moving on will enable a second season to happen.


I agree that Joe would have to die for a 2nd season (and beyond) to make sense.

I'm pretty sure that Roderick is dead and Jacob is too much of a pu$$y to lead a cult. I still think Jacob is going to help Ryan and the FBI.

Still no idea how it's going to play out with Ryan's ex.

[ArtVandelay]

Quote:
Originally Posted by northgagator
I thought it was funny that they had the sketch of Roderick on the wall in the police station and no one picked up it. Especially with Roderick standing next to it.

Did anyone else think of this picture when they saw Roderick standing next to his sketch?

http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/news-anchor-looks-like-wanted-rapist-15953-1236643459-9.jpg

I thought it was great that they kept intentionally showing the picture with him right there. I think that Ryan would have figured it out pretty soon.

This picture cracks me up everytime I see it...

[ArtVandelay]

Only one more episode left.

I was surprised that Jacob was killed like that. I thought he was going to help the FBI.

I think Emma dies next week. She can't lead the cult. Not sure what use she will be.

It's pretty obvious that Joe isn't going to make it (would be ridiculous if he does)

Plenty of questions for the finale.

What did Ryan mean when he said "I'm already dead" and Joe replayed it over and over again. Was he saying that because he lost Claire?

Will Debra survive? I have to think she will, otherwise they would have just killed her already. Not very dramatic if she just dies slowly in the box.

Will Claire survive? I'm not sure yet. I think if Claire is dead and Joe isn't alive for Ryan to get revenge, that he wouldn't really be into it.

Who is Alex? Is this the person to lead the cult next season?

Where is Ryan's ex? Why did they introduce her and then have her away for a bunch of episodes.

[gatorjjh]

enjoyed last night's episode and looking forward to the season finale


:yes:

[FrankGator627]

Awesome, awesome episode!

[kygator]

Considering Joe's current condition, I would think he would be trying to meet back up with Molly. As far as I know, she is the only one in his cult in the medical field.

I think Joe has to live at least long enough to introduce another strong adversary for Ryan. There has to be some overlap or they will lose viewers once this storyline is completed. So I see Joe lasting at least through half of season 2.

[FrankGator627]

Considering Joe's current condition, I would think he would be trying to meet back up with Molly. As far as I know, she is the only one in his cult in the medical field.

I think Joe has to live at least long enough to introduce another strong adversary for Ryan. There has to be some overlap or they will lose viewers once this storyline is completed. So I see Joe lasting at least through half of season 2.

Maybe he passes the torch to Molly. She would make sense as a protagonist that could incite Ryan Hardy to care/chase.

[kygator]

Maybe he passes the torch to Molly. She would make sense as a protagonist that could incite Ryan Hardy to care/chase.

Maybe Claire or Debra gets rescued and sent to Molly's hospital. If Molly murders either of them it would certainly incite Hardy.

[ArtVandelay]

Season Finale tonight!!!

[FrankGator627]

Season Finale tonight!!!

Does Joe die?

Does Debra die?

Does Claire die?

I can't wait to find out!

[ArtVandelay]

Does Joe die?

Does Debra die?

Does Claire die?

I can't wait to find out!

Joe - very close, but no (probably first 3 episodes of next season)

Debra - no (not sure how, but seems weird that she would die that way)

Claire - no (I think he would have killed her already)

[FrankGator627]

Ugh I hate massive cliffhangers!!!

[ArtVandelay]

Joe - very close, but no (probably first 3 episodes of next season)

Debra - no (not sure how, but seems weird that she would die that way)

Claire - no (I think he would have killed her already)

0 for 3 (I think)

Too many gun shot and stab wound survivors for my taste.

I think its stupid the way she came back for the last episode to most likely kill Claire and stab Ryan.

I think Ryan would just give up after all this. She hasn't proven to be someone that will be worth chasing.

I guess we will find out next season, but they will need to come out really strong to keep peoples interest.

Overall, I was pretty disappointed with the way they ended things.

[FrankGator627]

0 for 3 (I think)

Too many gun shot and stab wound survivors for my taste.

I think its stupid the way she came back for the last episode to most likely kill Claire and stab Ryan.

I think Ryan would just give up after all this. She hasn't proven to be someone that will be worth chasing.

I guess we will find out next season, but they will need to come out really strong to keep peoples interest.

Overall, I was pretty disappointed with the way they ended things.

Yeah...

Spoiler alert





My guess is Joe is NOT dead. Somehow Ryan and Claire survive the attack. I imagine Molly gets away.

They chase and eventually we find out (episode 5) that Joe is actually still alive...if they come to a new contract agreement with his actor. Lol

[ArtVandelay]

Yeah...

Spoiler alert





My guess is Joe is NOT dead. Somehow Ryan and Claire survive the attack. I imagine Molly gets away.

They chase and eventually we find out (episode 5) that Joe is actually still alive...if they come to a new contract agreement with his actor. Lol

This thread is a spoiler alert!

I can see how they could make that a story line, but we saw Joe burning. How would he have survived?

I assume Molly gets away, otherwise it really would have made no sense to bring her back.

I can't see how Claire survives that attack. Also, not sure what the point of it would be if she does.

[FrankGator627]

This thread is a spoiler alert!

I can see how they could make that a story line, but we saw Joe burning. How would he have survived?

I assume Molly gets away, otherwise it really would have made no sense to bring her back.

I can't see how Claire survives that attack. Also, not sure what the point of it would be if she does.

I'm always skeptical when you don't actually see the bad guy die. What point is it to kill him out of view unless you want to leave it open for his return?

Like a Phoenix, Joe will rise from the ashes...

That one stab is all Molly will put on Claire. She doesn't care about her so she'll turn to finishing off Ryan.

[akaGatorhoops]

I think Joe is dead... they talked about dental records and such.
I think Emma will take over the lead role in the second season.
I hated the finale.

[gatorjjh]

my money is on Joe returning, the more I see of Emma the better I like her :wink:

[FrankGator627]

I think Joe is dead... they talked about dental records and such.
I think Emma will take over the lead role in the second season.
I hated the finale.

I hated the last 5 minutes. I also hated when Debra died. It just doesn't make sense to kill her off. Why introduce her cult background and never revisit it?

[northgagator]

I'm always skeptical when you don't actually see the bad guy die. What point is it to kill him out of view unless you want to leave it open for his return?

Like a Phoenix, Joe will rise from the ashes...[
All the magic of TV. When in need to work out if a impossible situation or to keep a plot line active the just fire up the "Deus ex machina". This standard TV.

[/QUOTE]That one stab is all Molly will put on Claire. She doesn't care about her so she'll turn to finishing off Ryan.[/QUOTE]
Look for Claire to access Hardy's gun and blow Molly away.

[ArtVandelay]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/following-ep-weighs-joes-future-killer-cliffhanger-very-192608218.html

[romeg8r]

If you like Emma, I don't ever want you around me.

[FrankGator627]

I still think the kid is Ryan's kid and not Joes.

[ArtVandelay]

I still think the kid is Ryan's kid and not Joes.

Didn't even think about that. Not sure of the timeline.

If true, that would be really impressive that you figured that out!

[ArtVandelay]

http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2013/05/06/the-following-cast-shares-the-moments-that-shocked-them/

[FrankGator627]

Didn't even think about that. Not sure of the timeline.

If true, that would be really impressive that you figured that out!

He just looks like Hardy's kid. I thought they talked about Claire having the child after Joe was arrested so its possible. They've never really laid out a timeline nor alluded to it being Hardy's. I just always thought that would be a twist.

[kygator]

You would think that either Hardy or Claire could have figured something out if the kid was born 9 months after they had an affair. Of course, characters on that show have done a lot of stupid things so maybe they just never did the math.

[northgagator]

Of course, characters on that show have done a lot of stupid things so maybe they just never did the math.

Hard to argue with that statement.