Southern Culture: Is it something that needs to be "overcome"? Rep. Rangel says so.

[MastaG8r]

Rep. Charlie Rangel on Guns: ‘Some of the Southern
Areas Have Cultures that We Have to Overcome’ (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-charlie-rangel-guns-some-southern-areas-have-cultures-we-have-overcome)

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), speaking on “MSNBC Live” on Jan. 16 said that “some of the southern areas have cultures that we have to overcome” when it comes to gun control.

Rangel was asked by anchor Thomas Roberts whether new gun control measures passed in New York State should serve as models for other states:

“If you’re proud of what New York has done, obviously there is not going to be any perfect policy or perfect law that everybody is going to agree on from both sides saying that this is key perfection but do you think that New York, and what has been done in this state, could be used as a role model for other states that would like to enact something of New York’s model?”

Rangel responded by saying: “Well I hope so. New York is a little different and more progressive in a lot of areas than some other states and some of the southern areas have cultures that we have to overcome.”

He added: “But we do have a model set of what Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives and Liberals have come together and put the party labels behind them and come forward with something that says ‘Hey, we may disagree, but one thing is clear that we have to do something' and that’s exactly what they have done.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DBE5P-ewkm8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Your thoughts?

[Swampmaster]

how did the crook rangel manage to stay out of jail with all the stuff he got charged with??

[MastaG8r]

how did the crook rangel manage to stay out of jail with all the stuff he got charged with??Because the antiquated culture of "paying all your taxes" and "following the the proper procedures when soliciting donations" is something that Charlie has successfully managed to overcome.

[DeanMeadGator]

how did the crook rangel manage to stay out of jail with all the stuff he got charged with??

He's in Congress.

[MastaG8r]

Imagine the uproar if a Southern politician suggested that the Northern gun-fearing pantywaist culture is something that we need to overcome.

Come to think of it...how many mass shootings have occurred in Southern states? I'm sure it's happened but it seems to me that the more erudite, sophisticated North has as many or more of them than us rubes in the South do.

[ArtDeco]

The North did overcome it once, by force.
If they don't like the South, why are they so dead set on keeping it in the Union?

[atlzamgator]

He is an ineffective, tainted nut job. 1 of 435. He blathered on for 78 seconds, so why parse his words ? You parse because you have nothing better to do.

People in inner circles laugh at him. In NY, he has some pull still within some precincts.

Nothing to see here. Just a guy who watched the sun set on his power long ago.

[MastaG8r]

I can't vouch for how complete or accurate this Mother Jones list of mass shootings in America (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data) is, but out of the 31 incidents they documented occurring since 2000, only 5 of them took place in the former Confederate States of America. So, about 1/6.

Now tell me again - whose culture needs to be overcome in order for America to be safer?

[HALLGATOR]

Rangel's opinion of the South and 5 bucks will get you a cup of coffee in most convenience stores.

[secgator]

Rangel's opinion of the South and 5 bucks will get you a cup of coffee in most convenience stores.

Yeah, but in Rangel's part of the world you wouldn't be able to pour your own cup of coffee. It would be required by law for a union "coffee server" to do it for you.

Up there where the world is safer and better and everything works just perfectly.

[HALLGATOR]

Maybe so but I feel perfectly safe sitting here in my house in the South. I'm sure there are people all parts of the country that don't feel that way and for those who are not looking for trouble I feel sorry.

[Gatoragman]

:(

[ChartsandGrafs]

The North did overcome it once, by force.
If they don't like the South, why are they so dead set on keeping it in the Union?

For the same reason Southern plantation owners were so dead set on keeping their chattel slaves on the plantation.

Welcome to the forcefully United Slaves of Amerika.

[secgator]

Maybe so but I feel perfectly safe sitting here in my house in the South. I'm sure there are people all parts of the country that don't feel that way and for those who are not looking for trouble I feel sorry.

Hall...you DO know I was being very sarcastic about his area being safer, better, perfect.....don't you???

[ThePlayer]

how did the crook rangel manage to stay out of jail with all the stuff he got charged with??

Because he found enough people just like himself who were also willing to take advantage of the government.

[HALLGATOR]

Hall...you DO know I was being very sarcastic about his area being safer, better, perfect.....don't you???

Sure, that's why I responded in a general way. Kind of like maybe he thinks that way.

[exiledgator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znpwYciT5VM&sns=em

[ncgatr1]

LOL

[m9000]

Consider that black are 13% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders. Why doesn't that culture need to be overcome?

[wargunfan]

Consider that black are 13% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders. Why doesn't that culture need to be overcome?

Because they mostly murder each other.

[rajinGator]

"I hear ole Charles put her down.....but I hope Charles Rangle will remember.....a Southern man don't need him around anyhow"

[gatordowneast]

How many of those who vote for Charlie actually have a job that is not with local, state or federal government? That is how.

[FearNoSpear]

I grow weary of his Northern jargon.

[JerseyGator01]

Intolerance by any other name as mentioned in my Clinton thread regarding his recent guns and fishing comment, which was similar to Obama's "cling" comment during his first campaign in PA.

[wgbgator]

Lincoln should have let Thaddeus Stevens & Charles Sumner have a free hand in 1866. ;)

[CHFG8R]

Lincoln should have let Thaddeus Stevens & Charles Sumner have a free hand in 1866. ;)

Except that he was already DEAD.

[wgbgator]

Except that he was already DEAD.

Haha. Nice catch. Stevens should have told Lincoln not to go to the theater in 1865. Or finished the job with ousting Andrew Johnson.

[CHFG8R]

Haha. Nice catch. Stevens should have told Lincoln not to go to the theater in 1865. Or finished the job with ousting Andrew Johnson.

He (or his agenda) were better off with Johnson. Lincoln would have made the radical (R)s very unhappy with his approach, IMO, and swung a big enough bat to make it happen. Johnson was his own undoing and by the end of his term the RRs had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. Ironically, it was Grant and the corporate interests that took the teeth out of Reconstruction.

[wgbgator]

He (or his agenda) were better off with Johnson. Lincoln would have made the radical (R)s very unhappy with his approach, IMO, and swung a big enough bat to make it happen. Johnson was his own undoing and by the end of his term the RRs had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. Ironically, it was Grant and the corporate interests that took the teeth out of Reconstruction.

Stevens and other RRs wanted to confiscate land and redistribute it (not to mention hanging a bunch of people). They really didnt get carte blanche on everything, other than on questions of basic black citizenship. Lincoln and Johnson were both obstacles to the RR agenda. The only difference is that Stevens had a measure of respect for Lincoln, and Lincon knew how to contain Stevens' worst impulses.

[CHFG8R]

Stevens and other RRs wanted to confiscate land and redistribute it (not to mention hanging a bunch of people). They really didnt get carte blanche on everything, other than on questions of basic black citizenship. Lincoln and Johnson were both obstacles to the RR agenda. The only difference is that Stevens had a measure of respect for Lincoln, and Lincon knew how to contain Stevens' worst impulses.

My point. Nobody was in a position to stop Lincoln or his agenda(s) in 1865. Probably a good thing there was gridlock for the first couple years, IMO. Not sure redistribution of land, hangings would have been a good thing. Jesus, the South is still bitter over the Civil War in many respects. IMO (and I'm thinking Lincoln would concur), that kind of policy would have led us to another Civil War.

[wgbgator]

My point. Nobody was in a position to stop Lincoln or his agenda(s) in 1865. Probably a good thing there was gridlock for the first couple years, IMO. Not sure redistribution of land, hangings would have been a good thing. Jesus, the South is still bitter over the Civil War in many respects. IMO (and I'm thinking Lincoln would concur), that kind of policy would have led us to another Civil War.

It would have broken the big-agriculture / plantation power structure of the South, and made everyone free small landholders instead of tennant farmers/sharecroppers. Sounds nice, but its only a "what if" that sounds better than the racial violence and terror which plagued the South until Jim Crow fell. Who knows how that "what if" would have played out. There's always the possibility it could have been worse, I suppose. It would have been radical no doubt, given Constitutional protections of property.

[CHFG8R]

I'll leave it at this. Retribution was NEVER part of Lincoln's agenda. Ironically, Booth was about the worst thing that could have happened to the South. On that note, I'm not sure that Lincoln's "carrot" philosophy may have reaped more dividends with respect to equality and Jim Crow than the approach that was eventually taken. It's hard, even in hindsight, to doubt that man's judgement.

[DeanMeadGator]

For the same reason Southern plantation owners were so dead set on keeping their chattel slaves on the plantation.

Welcome to the forcefully United Slaves of Amerika.

And that has what to do with 2013? How many of us were plantation owners and/or alive at that time?

[G8trGr8t]

Consider that black are 13% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders. Why doesn't that culture need to be overcome?

Because they aren't the ones against the law. Helps them bacause they have no intentions of following the law

[malligator]

I lived in Boston for eight years. It's a beautiful city, but talk about bigoted. They are bigoted against minorities and against the South for being bigoted against minorities. I didn't go a day without hearing an anti-South joke and I had many friends that literally would not go south of DC because they thought they'd end up in a Deliverance situation.

[baygator1]

Because he found enough people just like himself who were also willing to take advantage of the government.

And therein lies the real culture change that needs to happen in this country. That crook, the many more like him in Washington and their accomplices need to look in the mirror.

[harwil]

My point. Nobody was in a position to stop Lincoln or his agenda(s) in 1865. Probably a good thing there was gridlock for the first couple years, IMO. Not sure redistribution of land, hangings would have been a good thing. Jesus, the South is still bitter over the Civil War in many respects. IMO (and I'm thinking Lincoln would concur), that kind of policy would have led us to another Civil War.

Yes, What happened to "with malice toward none, with charity for all" and the generous surrender agreements of Grant and Sherman

[Dreamliner]

Except that he was already DEAD.

Because he was shot for being a war criminal.

[MastaG8r]

I lived in Boston for eight years. It's a beautiful city, but talk about bigoted. They are bigoted against minorities and against the South for being bigoted against minorities. I didn't go a day without hearing an anti-South joke and I had many friends that literally would not go south of DC because they thought they'd end up in a Deliverance situation.Yeah, to hear the Left tell it you'd think all bigots are Southern Conservatives. No racists to be found among those working class union-hack types up North, no sir! Spike Lee never experienced racism in the Democratic stronghold of Brooklyn. He had to come down South to find out it existed. That movie Do The Right Thing was total fiction.


P.S. None of the white Democrats who voted against 0bama in the primaries were motivated by racism, but everyone who voted against him in the general election was.

[LittleBlueLW]

Rangel would piss off a lot of folks if he was successful at getting rid of collard greens, water melons, fried chicken and boiled peanuts.

[MastaG8r]

Rangel would piss off a lot of folks if he was successful at getting rid of collard greens, water melons, fried chicken and boiled peanuts.I wish somebody would get rid of collard greens. Not a fan. :no:

[HALLGATOR]

I don't like turnips, mustards or collards. My mother would fix them and I would just move them around my plate. After awhile she gave up.

[g8orbill]

I am very proud of my Southern Heritage

[Tasselhoff]

DO NOT MESS WITH MY GREENS! Mustard, Collard, or Turnip! Try and take them and you will see what type of gun control we practice down here!

As for a culture that needs to be overcome, why is it politicians always believe THEY know what is best for EVERYONE and it is NEver what is best for them?

[HALLGATOR]

That's OK, you can have my share.

[MastaG8r]

Mine too. Help yourself! Southern hospitality.

[MastaG8r]

BTW just as an FYI boiled peanuts have over four times as much of the healthy antioxidants found in raw or roasted peanuts. It took me quite a few childhood trips through Yeehaw Junction before I finally acquired a taste for those.

[ncbullgator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znpwYciT5VM&sns=em

If you ever get a chance to see these guys, do it. They are a party band! From Henderson NC via Chapel Hill.

:yes:

[HALLGATOR]

Love boiled peanuts.

[RayGator]

Love boiled peanuts.

Me too! :)

Several years when I was part of a group that tailgated in the parking garage before Gator games at Florida Field, boiled peanuts was a big part of our gourmet food! :)

The grouchy Rangel should take up another cause!

[rajinGator]

Love boiled peanuts.

Boiled peanuts are the bomb.

[Dreamliner]

I'm moving to California. But damn tootin' it's gonna be SOUTHERN California. :laugh:

[wargunfan]

As a kid in Georgia I used to stop by the peanut stand to get my bag of boiled peanuts on the way to the Saturday double feature at the movies. Preferred them to popcorn.

[HALLGATOR]

I had an uncle that boiled them a lot right up until not long before he died. He called them biled penders or pindars. I did some looking around on the Internet a few years back and found the following as well as some other things. The "biled" part might have just been me not understanding the way he said "boiled" but it sounded like "biled" when he said it. I don't know how accurate this is but it's interesting just the same.

Both Thomas Jefferson and George Washington called peanuts "peendar" and "Pindars" (1794, 1798). The origin of the word is African, and black slaves brought the term to the United States. Pinda was the word for peanut in the Gullah language and used by tribes in Angola.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070726191223AAMRylf

[LittleBlueLW]

I wish somebody would get rid of collard greens. Not a fan. :no:

Blasphemer!

[northgagator]

I don't like turnips, mustards or collards. My mother would fix them and I would just move them around my plate. After awhile she gave up.

Like mine with small pieces of pork mixed in, a little vinegar jazzed up with some hot Tabasco sauce and a nice size slab of cornbread..

[northgagator]

Boiled peanuts are the bomb.

Love sitting around the fire or gas burner waiting for a serving.

[g8orbill]

just had a plate of grits, scrambled eggs and sausage- yummy

[MichiGator2002]

Boiled peanuts are the bomb.

And a bag of them is actually smarter and less oily than Charles Rangel.

[Gatorrick22]

So a black man from the ghetto is made at the southern culture? As if they have added a great deal more to our country, like invention/innovation to our culture.

Maybe the ghetto culture is the culture we need to change and get rid of.

Oh, and last time I checked George Washington Carver was part of that culture too.

[CHFG8R]

So a black man from the ghetto is made at the southern culture? As if they have added a great deal more to our country, like invention/innovation to our culture.

Maybe the ghetto culture is the culture we need to change and get rid of.

Oh, and last time I checked George Washington Carver was part of that culture too.

Ditto for Bill Cosby for (gasp), daring to suggest what you just suggested. This is the ugly little conversation the left - driven mostly by the Race Trader wing - ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE.

Notice how quickly (at least on ESPN and major networks) the Rob Parker story went away? Pffftt. Gone in one day. Next day they issue a statement saying he was suspended then never mentioned it again.

The reason is simple. It does not fit the narrative they are selling (All problems for black people are/have been created by someone else and that someone needs to do something about it). Never will they admit (bad for fundraising) that there is an endemic problem within the community that holds itself back.

[baygator1]

Blasphemer!

x2

Two common mistakes made with greens that jack them up.

1. Not washing them properly during prep.
2. Not enough pig cooking with them.

Double bonus...add a little bacon grease to the pot while they cook and serve with cornbread. :yes:

[Dreamliner]

Hehe, my grandmother used to *add* grease to the skillet to fry bacon in.

She herself was then as a rail.

[northgagator]

Hehe, my grandmother used to *add* grease to the skillet to fry bacon in.

She herself was then as a rail.

Pre-lining the food makes it go through you quicker thus lessening the digestion time.

[LittleBlueLW]

This thread actually caused me to go and buy some collards, which are now washed and soaking.

Will eat tonight with some thick pork chops from the egg and sweet taters.

[bluegrassg8r]

I use smoked hog jowl and apple cider vinegar. It might not be overly traditional, but I can eat a wheel barrow full of collards done that way.
And Rangel can go to hell. I'm a transplanted southerner and I would rather not look at Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner, and sweet tea as something to be "overcome".

[northgagator]

This thread actually caused me to go and buy some collards, which are now washed and soaking.

Will eat tonight with some thick pork chops from the egg and sweet taters.

What time is diner?

I will bring the cornbread and the Tabasco sauce