Thank you to the State of Florida

[g8orbill]

it seems that the State had to borrow more money from the Feds to cover the extension your prez added to unemployment last year and failed to meet the deadline to pay it back so all business owners were assessed and additional amount for Futa to cover the loan :no::no::no:

[MichiGator2002]

You didn't build that anyway, the true owners are just skimming the till a little bro.

[ArtDeco]

You're way over their heads, bill. Unless someone actually owns a business, they have no idea what you're talking about.
For our rational brothers, the money we pay to the Federal Government every year for unemployment is based on a formula. The less intelligent on here think that workers pay for unemployment, THEY DO NOT. If you look at your paycheck details, there is never a deduction for Unemployment, neither State nor Federal. Your boss pays that to each level of government, and the bills are separate and costly, comes right out of your boss' profits. This year, because Florida is one of those states (19 total) that has to borrow money from the Feds to pay the Fed mandated extension, the Feds then charge each emplyer in the state double their federal rate. So when people like Bill and I pay our yearly Federal unemployment tax this year, our accounting software will say $500, but the IRS actually sends us a bill for $1000.
To our liberal friends, it would be like expecting your Obama-provided cell phone to be free, but then actually getting a bill for it. You know, the kind of stuff that makes you want to riot.

[QGator2414]

Bill it is not unemployment anymore...

It is "reemployment"...

I spent an extra 5 minutes trying to find where to file a few weeks ago and finally noticed after "reemployment" they had formerly "unemployment"...

[manigordo]

Poor you. Living in a land where the leader is "the other peoples president." You poor older white males have never had a chance in this oppressive state. I think they are after your guns next.

[channingcrowderhungry]

Yeah I got this letter too. Twice actually. Good times!

[ArtVandelay]

Poor you. Living in a land where the leader is "the other peoples president." You poor older white males have never had a chance in this oppressive state. I think they are after your guns next.

Maybe Bill should follow Mickelson and move or retire...

[g8trdoc]

Another reason to go up on fees I guess. Pass it along brother and when people ask just tell them Obama did it.

[channingcrowderhungry]

Maybe Bill should follow Mickelson and move or retire...

What would the people he employs do?

[ArtVandelay]

What would the people he employs do?

Go work for Jimmy John's...they have better subs anyway...

[channingcrowderhungry]

Go work for Jimmy John's...they have better subs anyway...


I realize it's tongue in cheek, but what happens when the Jimmy Johns owner goes the Mickelson route as well. What if Bill paid them all more than Jimmy Johns does.

Demonizing business owners is mind boggling to me, but clearly I'm biased in the debate.

[g8orbill]

artieVD(who sounds an awful lot like Truman)- I will put my subs and the quality of the meat we use up against Jimmy Hon's cold subs all day long

[fredsanford]

You're way over their heads, bill. Unless someone actually owns a business, they have no idea what you're talking about.
For our rational brothers, the money we pay to the Federal Government every year for unemployment is based on a formula. The less intelligent on here think that workers pay for unemployment, THEY DO NOT. If you look at your paycheck details, there is never a deduction for Unemployment, neither State nor Federal. Your boss pays that to each level of government, and the bills are separate and costly, comes right out of your boss' profits. This year, because Florida is one of those states (19 total) that has to borrow money from the Feds to pay the Fed mandated extension, the Feds then charge each emplyer in the state double their federal rate. So when people like Bill and I pay our yearly Federal unemployment tax this year, our accounting software will say $500, but the IRS actually sends us a bill for $1000.
To our liberal friends, it would be like expecting your Obama-provided cell phone to be free, but then actually getting a bill for it. You know, the kind of stuff that makes you want to riot.

While this is true in Florida, it is not in every state. I believe that certain states like New Jersey for instance do assess an unemployment tax each pay period on wage earners.

[ArtVandelay]

I realize it's tongue in cheek, but what happens when the Jimmy Johns owner goes the Mickelson route as well. What if Bill paid them all more than Jimmy Johns does.

Demonizing business owners is mind boggling to me, but clearly I'm biased in the debate.

It was just a joke, although I do prefer Jimmy John's (maybe its because I'm usually drunk when I eat it)

I am not demonizing business owners. I am just commenting on billie's complaints. I don't think he has much sympathy for a lot of groups of people, so I mostly don't have much sympathy for him...

[QGator2414]

It was just a joke, although I do prefer Jimmy John's (maybe its because I'm usually drunk when I eat it)

I am not demonizing business owners. I am just commenting on billie's complaints. I don't think he has much sympathy for a lot of groups of people, so I mostly don't have much sympathy for him...

What an ignorant thought process about someone who puts food on the table for multiple people by taking the risk of running a business...

[enviroGator]

Wait, on a different thread I heard that no business EVER pays taxes? Its just the customers?

Is that different now because this is "coming right off the profit"?

I'm so confused.... /sarcasm

[ArtVandelay]

What an ignorant thought process about someone who puts food on the table for multiple people by taking the risk of running a business...

So because he takes the risk of running a business (I assume its because he want to make money for himself) and puts food on the table for multiple people, I should ignore all of the hateful comments he makes about others.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it...

[QGator2414]

Wait, on a different thread I heard that no business EVER pays taxes? Its just the customers?

Is that different now because this is "coming right off the profit"?

I'm so confused.... /sarcasm

So as to not confuse some on this board...

Reference g8trdoc...

[QGator2414]

So because he takes the risk of running a business (I assume its because he want to make money for himself) and puts food on the table for multiple people, I should ignore all of the hateful comments he makes about others.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it...

:roll:

[G8trGr8t]

less money for raises and higher prices for customers so people can live off of others.

good friend owns a major site and roadway construction company in Collier County. 100 plus employees. they are constantly looking for quailified, experienced people to work for them starting at $14 per hour and making up to $30 per hour, plus health, dental, and life insurance, 401k match, and paid vacation. Overtime usually available for those that want it. They offfer jobs and are told the jobs aren't wanted, just a check on the form that says they applied. People are just too lazy to work as long as they can get by not working. Three years toforce evictions combined with side work and unemployment and many are satisfied riding the pine.

the extensions have to end. they only encourage unemployment and an underground economy.

[Row6]

less money for raises and higher prices for customers so people can live off of others.

good friend owns a major site and roadway construction company in Collier County. 100 plus employees. they are constantly looking for quailified, experienced people to work for them starting at $14 per hour and making up to $30 per hour, plus health, dental, and life insurance, 401k match, and paid vacation. Overtime usually available for those that want it. They offfer jobs and are told the jobs aren't wanted, just a check on the form that says they applied. People are just too lazy to work as long as they can get by not working. Three years toforce evictions combined with side work and unemployment and many are satisfied riding the pine.

the extensions have to end. they only encourage unemployment and an underground economy.

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

[ArtVandelay]

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

Don't let facts get in the way...People are just manipulating the system. Everyone who gets unemployment is milking the government. I've seen it posted in here a million times so it must be true...

[QGator2414]

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

Must have a lot of people moving to bridges...

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/feb/02/floridas-percentage-of-long-term-unemployed-is/

[ArtVandelay]

Must have a lot of people moving to bridges...

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/feb/02/floridas-percentage-of-long-term-unemployed-is/

So you think that all 53% of those people are mooching?

I was one of those 53% of people. I was out of work for longer than 6 months. The unemployment didn't even cover my mortgage/maintenance.

You are naive if you think all people that collect are scamming the system. I won't argue that there aren't those out there, but its probably a lot less than you think.

[g8orbill]

Pkease feel free AVD to point out anyone other than your prez i have said something that could be categorized as "hateful

[QGator2414]

So you think that all 53% of those people are mooching?

I was one of those 53% of people. I was out of work for longer than 6 months. The unemployment didn't even cover my mortgage/maintenance.

You are naive if you think all people that collect are scamming the system. I won't argue that there aren't those out there, but its probably a lot less than you think.

???

Mooching?

Has anyone said anyone is mooching yet?

That said. If you ask me you should have paid for your unemployment (reemployment now) insurance instead of your employer... :whoa:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

As a business owner I can say that our employees actually do pay unemployment insurance, as it's baked into our salary calculations and fees; it's a budgetary line item that's accounted for in our P&L.

[g8orbill]

AVD reminds me a lot of some of my employees who think I make tons of money and it should not bother me when they break something or waste food

[QGator2414]

I just do not get the reason for employers being responsible for unemployment. That does not mean I do not feel for people who hit hard times either.

I will say I was shocked at the lack of good applicants when we hired an assistant two years ago considering how many are struggling with employment...

[g8orbill]

Where is the money going to come from? They tax businesses for it- just like we are all going to be taxed to pay for obamacare- I am still amazed at the people who think it is going to be free

[QGator2414]

As a business owner I can say that our employees actually do pay unemployment insurance, as it's baked into our salary calculations and fees; it's a budgetary line item that's accounted for in our P&L.

Did your salary calculations include the changing of the contract (ie did you know to calculate for the unpaid interest)?

Just asking as this is one of a few ways a business can look at this expense...

[QGator2414]

btw Art I am glad it appears you have found employment. I hope you like your new job and are fairly compensated...

[ArtVandelay]

That said. If you ask me you should have paid for your unemployment (reemployment now) insurance instead of your employer... :whoa:

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

AVD reminds me a lot of some of my employees who think I make tons of money and it should not bother me when they break something or waste food

You have a right to be bothered by anything you want. I would be bothered by those things too.

My original comment was mainly a joke, but I do think that if you aren't happy with the way things are going, then you should do something about it.

I understand that billie can't afford to take the tax hits the way that Mickelson can and him complaining isn't the same.

I don't agree with him about unemployment. There are lots of people that need it to survive and even with it, they are struggling. Not everyone is trying to scam you and/or the gov't. Most companies/business have the upper hand when it comes to the employer/employee relationship. Having been screwed over by companies multiple times myself, I don't have as much sympathy for them as I do for the individual worker.

People buy businesses to make money. If the rules don't work for them, they can do something else. Same as the decision most workers have to make.

[QGator2414]

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

???

Do I have the option to not offer this "benefit" and make it less attractive to work at our office?

Benefits are things as you define them but Unemployment is forced on every employer so there is no benefit to attracting employees based on it.

Now health insurance, matching 401K etc etc are ways to attract better labor...

[QGator2414]

In fact the employer who has to lay someone off would be at a disadvantage to their competitors if they were able to get back on their feet quickly and get in the position to hire again thanks to unemployment insurance. They will have a higher cost of hiring an employee compared to someone who has gone ten quarters with no claims against them for unemployment (Florida)...

[ArtVandelay]

???

Do I have the option to not offer this "benefit" and make it less attractive to work at our office?

Benefits are things as you define them but Unemployment is forced on every employer so there is no benefit to attracting employees based on it.

Now health insurance, matching 401K etc etc are ways to attract better labor...

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

[QGator2414]

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

No doubt that is how Benefits work.

But this is what you said...


It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

And that is not correct for unemployment insurance. It is a benefit to the employee but it is a burden to all employers. No employer becomes more attractive because of unemployment now reemployment.

[QGator2414]

Why should not the employee be responsible to purchase unemployment insurance if they want to?

Or even better why should the employer not have the option to offer it and actually be more attractive to a potential employee?

[wygator]

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

You do understand that every government tax, mandate, report, regulation has a cost attached to it that is paid by the CUSTOMER of the business. The business has to collect and remit it to the government, but the CUSTOMER pays.

You are paying a portion of the unempl...uh, reemployment insurance for every company you purchase from. It ain't free.

[ArtDeco]

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.
People buy businesses to make money. If the rules don't work for them, they can do something else. Same as the decision most workers have to make.

I used to think this guy was a new poster and well-intentioned. Now I'm not so sure. As another person said on here, he's starting to sound like an old bombthrower called Truman Coyote.
Exhibit A, the item quoted above.
"Unemployment tax", whether at the state or federal level, is NOT a "benefit". I don't "offer" it, I am raped by your government and forced to pay it. There's no "negotiation". There's a rate and a notice you receive in the mail. Don't pay it, go to jail. That's NOT a benefit.
Since you won't post your 1040 numbers on here (or, more than likely, tell us how much money you received in tax refunds), I can't really argue numbers with you. I do not mind sharing with you that my total bill for unemployment tax is well over $1000 for a small company with 3 employees. Now how big do you think that check is that Bill writes every year??

[ArtVandelay]

I used to think this guy was a new poster and well-intentioned. Now I'm not so sure. As another person said on here, he's starting to sound like an old bombthrower called Truman Coyote.
Exhibit A, the item quoted above.
"Unemployment tax", whether at the state or federal level, is NOT a "benefit". I don't "offer" it, I am raped by your government and forced to pay it. There's no "negotiation". There's a rate and a notice you receive in the mail. Don't pay it, go to jail. That's NOT a benefit.
Since you won't post your 1040 numbers on here (or, more than likely, tell us how much money you received in tax refunds), I can't really argue numbers with you. I do not mind sharing with you that my total bill for unemployment tax is well over $1000 for a small company with 3 employees. Now how big do you think that check is that Bill writes every year??

You guys are so paranoid and always thinking posters are someone else. I have no clue who Truman Coyote is and I have a lot better things to do with my life than create multiple screen names on a message board site.

My point was that it is the cost of doing business.

It's really none of your business how much money I make. I could care less what you or billie pay for unemployment. If its too much for you and its not worth you running the business, then do something else.

I drive 60-90 minutes each way to work and spend a lot of money on gas. It sucks. That's the cost of me having this job. If I don't like it, I can find another job.

No one is forcing you or billie to own a business. I assume it affords you to live the lifestyle that you want to and that is why you do so.

[ArtDeco]

My point was that it is the cost of doing business.


That's not what you said, my friend.
You basically got taken to school and now want to deny it.
Admit you're in over your head, getting in an adult discussion about things you know nothing about, and I'll let it slide.

[ArtDeco]

I could care less what you or billie pay for unemployment.

I drive 60-90 minutes each way to work and spend a lot of money on gas.


No one is forcing you or billie to own a business. I assume it affords you to live the lifestyle that you want to and that is why you do so.

See, you should care. This is the same mindset you employed when voting for a socialist. God gave you a brain for a reason.
You should care what we pay, what the actual taxes are, because your "new" boss is paying those same taxes. Given your attitude on display here, I'm sure he's thrilled to have you on board. So I guess it will be OK when, in order to keep up "the lifestyle that he wants to live", your new boss downsizes because of these tax increases.

[QGator2414]

You guys are so paranoid and always thinking posters are someone else. I have no clue who Truman Coyote is and I have a lot better things to do with my life than create multiple screen names on a message board site.

My point was that it is the cost of doing business.

It's really none of your business how much money I make. I could care less what you or billie pay for unemployment. If its too much for you and its not worth you running the business, then do something else.

I drive 60-90 minutes each way to work and spend a lot of money on gas. It sucks. That's the cost of me having this job. If I don't like it, I can find another job.

No one is forcing you or billie to own a business. I assume it affords you to live the lifestyle that you want to and that is why you do so.

After this I really want to know if you think an employer should be forced to provide you unemployment insurance or whether you should take that responsibility?

[ArtVandelay]

That's not what you said, my friend.
You basically got taken to school and now want to deny it.
Admit you're in over your head, getting in an adult discussion about things you know nothing about, and I'll let it slide.

I got taken to school? I was talking about something else and then made a statement and admitted it. If you think you "won" than congrats! I'm not the one crying about having to pay extra money. I am doing just fine thank you.

I know that unemployment is nothing new. You have paid it before. If it becomes too much for you to pay, then do something about it. Sell your business. Find a job where the unemployment laws benefit you.

I paid $1000.00 for condo assessment for people that didn't pay their mortgage. I was unemployed at the time. I had choices and I did what was best for me. Everyones situation is different. I'm sure there are plenty of rules in place that benefit the business owner. This isn't one of them. If you are crying about $1000.00, then you are probably in the wrong business.

[ArtVandelay]

See, you should care. This is the same mindset you employed when voting for a socialist. God gave you a brain for a reason.
You should care what we pay, what the actual taxes are, because your "new" boss is paying those same taxes. Given your attitude on display here, I'm sure he's thrilled to have you on board. So I guess it will be OK when, in order to keep up "the lifestyle that he wants to live", your new boss downsizes because of these tax increases.

I work for a corporation so its not the same thing. I have been let go on more than one occasion because it was in the best interest of the company financially.

My attitude doesn't change. Its common sense. I support certain laws that don't necessarily benefit me because I think its for the best and it makes sense.

Again, if you don't like the way the laws are, don't own a business.

[ArtVandelay]

After this I really want to know if you think an employer should be forced to provide you unemployment insurance or whether you should take that responsibility?

It doesn't really matter what I think about it, but I have already told you that I think the employer should pay.

The people that own a business think they shouldn't pay and anyone who might benefit from it will think the employer should pay.

[channingcrowderhungry]

It doesn't really matter what I think about it, but I have already told you that I think the employer should pay.

The people that own a business think they shouldn't pay and anyone who might benefit from it will think the employer should pay.

Knowing I have to pay unemployment is one thing, which can easily be accounted for, and as you said, expected by the business owner. But we are talking about an extra bill thanks to the state of Florida not paying the big govt back on its unemployment loan. This was an unexpected unemployment bill, passed on to biz owners, and thus not really the same thing.

I'm not really complaining because, honestly, as you say, owning a business comes with the territory. I pay taxes and fees all the time. It gets really old and grating, but se la vie.

[ArtDeco]

I had enough money to pay a $1000.00 condo assessment although I was collecting unemployment at the time.

Fixed it for you.
Maybe this is what we shouldn't cry a river for, see what I mean?
Again, no disrespect intended, I won't point these things out if you quit dissing those hard working small businessmen that make jobs possible for all of us.

[ArtDeco]

If you are crying about $1000.00, then you are probably in the wrong business.

And if you are in business and a $1000 invoice, particularly one from the US Government, is not worth questioning, then I guarantee you won't be in business long.

You really have no idea why successful businessmen are successful or why rich people are rich, do you?

[DeanMeadGator]

Poor you. Living in a land where the leader is "the other peoples president." You poor older white males have never had a chance in this oppressive state. I think they are after your guns next.

I am one of those "older white males." With regard to your condescending and rather arrogant post, I have the following comments:

1. I married my wife when she was 19, and I was 22. We have been married for 46 years.

2. Three months after getting married, I joined the Air Force during the war in Nam.

3. When I left the military, we had two children - one and three years old, respectively.

4. I went through law school in 9 straight quarters, because I needed to support my family. My wife cleaned apartments and kept other people's kids to help our family.

5. When I graduated from law school, we had two young kids, $500.00 and an old beat up VW. We had nothing else.

6. We put 3 children though college without getting a loan or asking anyone for help.

7. We help one of our grandchildren, who is severely autistic.

8. I have worked about ten hours a day for the past 38 years [not including 4 years in the Air Force, putting on tile roofs in the summer and working on a survey party during the summer].

9. At 68, I am still working about 10 hours a day.

10. We live well, but are not rich. We live well because I have worked my ass off for the past 38 years (not including military service and working in college and law school).

11. I pay for our medical care, and have not taken one cent from SS or Medicare, despite having paid a great deal of money into both for the past 49 years.

12. I don't expect or want anyone to give me 5 cents.

13. We give to various charities every year.

I have learned a great deal over the years. One of those things is that success is virtually always based on working extremely hard.

Another thingI learned is that nothing is more important that your family.

I've also learned that it is best not to demean and insult people about whom you know nothing whatsoever.

Only a fool expects their children and grandchildren to pay $20 trillion dollars because we are too selfish to stop spending. In every generation, people have wanted their children to live better than they did. Our out of control spending will insure that our children will not live as well as we do.



"Time waits for no man."

Signed, old white male that has worked his ass off for 38 years to provide his family with a nice life.

[ArtDeco]

I am one of those "older white males." With regard to your condescending and rather arrogant post, I have the following comments:

1. I married my wife when she was 19, and I was 22. We have been married for 46 years.

2. Three months after getting married, I joined the Air Force during the war in Nam.

3. When I left the military, we had two children - one and three years old, respectively.

4. I went through law school in 9 straight quarters, because I needed to support my family. My wife cleaned apartments and kept other people's kids to help our family.

5. When I graduated from law school, we had two young kids, $500.00 and an old beat up VW. We had nothing else.

6. We put 3 children though college without getting a loan or asking anyone for help.

7. We help one of our grandchildren, who is severely autistic.

8. I have worked about ten hours a day for the past 38 years [not including 4 years in the Air Force, putting on tile roofs in the summer and working on a survey party during the summer].

9. At 68, I am still working about 10 hours a day.

10. We live well, but are not rich. We live well because I have worked my ass off for the past 38 years (not including military service and working in college and law school).

11. I pay for our medical care, and have not taken one cent from SS or Medicare, despite having paid a great deal of money into both for the past 49 years.

12. I don't expect or want anyone to give me 5 cents.

13. We give to various charities every year.

I have learned a great deal over the years. One of those things is that success is virtually always based on working extremely hard.

Another thingI learned is that nothing is more important that your family.

I've also learned that it is best not to demean and insult people about whom you know nothing whatsoever.

Only a fool expects their children and grandchildren to pay $20 trillion dollars because we are too selfish to stop spending. In every generation, people have wanted their children to live better than they did. Our out of control spending will insure that our children will not live as well as we do.



"Time waits for no man." Signed, old white male that has worked his ass off for 38 years to provide his family with a nice life.

No joking, I feel honored to be your countryman. Great success story and REPPED.

[QGator2414]

It doesn't really matter what I think about it, but I have already told you that I think the employer should pay.

The people that own a business think they shouldn't pay and anyone who might benefit from it will think the employer should pay.

So you are all for the freedom of finding a new job but an emoployer should not have the freedom to offer the benefits they want?

I am just trying to wrap my head around he fact you seemed to be acknowledging freedom is better but in the end you are for forcing people to benefit you.

***as we have shown unemployment is not currently a benefit option for an employer

[QGator2414]

I am one of those "older white males." With regard to your condescending and rather arrogant post, I have the following comments:

1. I married my wife when she was 19, and I was 22. We have been married for 46 years.

2. Three months after getting married, I joined the Air Force during the war in Nam.

3. When I left the military, we had two children - one and three years old, respectively.

4. I went through law school in 9 straight quarters, because I needed to support my family. My wife cleaned apartments and kept other people's kids to help our family.

5. When I graduated from law school, we had two young kids, $500.00 and an old beat up VW. We had nothing else.

6. We put 3 children though college without getting a loan or asking anyone for help.

7. We help one of our grandchildren, who is severely autistic.

8. I have worked about ten hours a day for the past 38 years [not including 4 years in the Air Force, putting on tile roofs in the summer and working on a survey party during the summer].

9. At 68, I am still working about 10 hours a day.

10. We live well, but are not rich. We live well because I have worked my ass off for the past 38 years (not including military service and working in college and law school).

11. I pay for our medical care, and have not taken one cent from SS or Medicare, despite having paid a great deal of money into both for the past 49 years.

12. I don't expect or want anyone to give me 5 cents.

13. We give to various charities every year.

I have learned a great deal over the years. One of those things is that success is virtually always based on working extremely hard.

Another thingI learned is that nothing is more important that your family.

I've also learned that it is best not to demean and insult people about whom you know nothing whatsoever.

Only a fool expects their children and grandchildren to pay $20 trillion dollars because we are too selfish to stop spending. In every generation, people have wanted their children to live better than they did. Our out of control spending will insure that our children will not live as well as we do.



"Time waits for no man."

Signed, old white male that has worked his ass off for 38 years to provide his family with a nice life.

Thank you for your service!

[g8orbill]

God Bless you DMG- some will never understand no matter how hard you try to explain it

I am one of those "older white males." With regard to your condescending and rather arrogant post, I have the following comments:

1. I married my wife when she was 19, and I was 22. We have been married for 46 years.

2. Three months after getting married, I joined the Air Force during the war in Nam.

3. When I left the military, we had two children - one and three years old, respectively.

4. I went through law school in 9 straight quarters, because I needed to support my family. My wife cleaned apartments and kept other people's kids to help our family.

5. When I graduated from law school, we had two young kids, $500.00 and an old beat up VW. We had nothing else.

6. We put 3 children though college without getting a loan or asking anyone for help.

7. We help one of our grandchildren, who is severely autistic.

8. I have worked about ten hours a day for the past 38 years [not including 4 years in the Air Force, putting on tile roofs in the summer and working on a survey party during the summer].

9. At 68, I am still working about 10 hours a day.

10. We live well, but are not rich. We live well because I have worked my ass off for the past 38 years (not including military service and working in college and law school).

11. I pay for our medical care, and have not taken one cent from SS or Medicare, despite having paid a great deal of money into both for the past 49 years.

12. I don't expect or want anyone to give me 5 cents.

13. We give to various charities every year.

I have learned a great deal over the years. One of those things is that success is virtually always based on working extremely hard.

Another thingI learned is that nothing is more important that your family.

I've also learned that it is best not to demean and insult people about whom you know nothing whatsoever.

Only a fool expects their children and grandchildren to pay $20 trillion dollars because we are too selfish to stop spending. In every generation, people have wanted their children to live better than they did. Our out of control spending will insure that our children will not live as well as we do.



"Time waits for no man."

Signed, old white male that has worked his ass off for 38 years to provide his family with a nice life.

[wargunfan]

I am one of those "older white males." With regard to your condescending and rather arrogant post, I have the following comments:

1. I married my wife when she was 19, and I was 22. We have been married for 46 years.

2. Three months after getting married, I joined the Air Force during the war in Nam.

3. When I left the military, we had two children - one and three years old, respectively.

4. I went through law school in 9 straight quarters, because I needed to support my family. My wife cleaned apartments and kept other people's kids to help our family.

5. When I graduated from law school, we had two young kids, $500.00 and an old beat up VW. We had nothing else.

6. We put 3 children though college without getting a loan or asking anyone for help.

7. We help one of our grandchildren, who is severely autistic.

8. I have worked about ten hours a day for the past 38 years [not including 4 years in the Air Force, putting on tile roofs in the summer and working on a survey party during the summer].

9. At 68, I am still working about 10 hours a day.

10. We live well, but are not rich. We live well because I have worked my ass off for the past 38 years (not including military service and working in college and law school).

11. I pay for our medical care, and have not taken one cent from SS or Medicare, despite having paid a great deal of money into both for the past 49 years.

12. I don't expect or want anyone to give me 5 cents.

13. We give to various charities every year.

I have learned a great deal over the years. One of those things is that success is virtually always based on working extremely hard.

Another thingI learned is that nothing is more important that your family.

I've also learned that it is best not to demean and insult people about whom you know nothing whatsoever.

Only a fool expects their children and grandchildren to pay $20 trillion dollars because we are too selfish to stop spending. In every generation, people have wanted their children to live better than they did. Our out of control spending will insure that our children will not live as well as we do.



"Time waits for no man."

Signed, old white male that has worked his ass off for 38 years to provide his family with a nice life.

Dean, you sound very much like me. Very similar story. Most of what made this country great was accomplished by what are now "old white males". This country is free because of us old white males and the ones that came before us. In fact, it is is so free that ignorant, morons who have never succeeded at anything can run off at the mouth. Perhaps this wet behind the ears, know nothing can tell us about another group of Americans who have done more than the old white males for this country. It darn sure isn't his group.

[gtr2x]

Always sucks when your expenses go up or your income goes down, however can't help but point out that Florida has some of the lowest unemployment benefits in the nation. And in recent years they have gotten a lot tougher to obtain, which probably makes most posters here happy. Nobody is getting rich living on unemployment comp in this state. Hopefully, none of you are ever in that situation .

[ArtVandelay]

Fixed it for you.
Maybe this is what we shouldn't cry a river for, see what I mean?
Again, no disrespect intended, I won't point these things out if you quit dissing those hard working small businessmen that make jobs possible for all of us.

I had enough money because I saved it up for all of the years I was working. As I said before, my unemployment didn't even cover my mortgage.

I stand by everything that I said.


And if you are in business and a $1000 invoice, particularly one from the US Government, is not worth questioning, then I guarantee you won't be in business long.

You really have no idea why successful businessmen are successful or why rich people are rich, do you?

I am not saying that you shouldn't question it. I am saying that at this point there isn't anything you can do about it. If that is a reason for you to retire/sell the business, then I don't think it was right for you in the first place.

So you are all for the freedom of finding a new job but an emoployer should not have the freedom to offer the benefits they want?

I am just trying to wrap my head around he fact you seemed to be acknowledging freedom is better but in the end you are for forcing people to benefit you.

***as we have shown unemployment is not currently a benefit option for an employer

At this point I don't believe they should do away with the employer paying for unemployment. I don't see the reason for it. Again, it is the cost of doing business.

If nothing was in place and you asked me if I thought the employer should have a choice, then it might be a different discussion.

I see no reason to change the law right now.

I believe in freedom, but i certainly don't think all freedom is better.

I don't think absolutely about anything, with a few exceptions.

[ArtVandelay]

Always sucks when your expenses go up or your income goes down, however can't help but point out that Florida has some of the lowest unemployment benefits in the nation. And in recent years they have gotten a lot tougher to obtain, which probably makes most posters here happy. Nobody is getting rich living on unemployment comp in this state. Hopefully, none of you are ever in that situation .

to quote billie boy "some will never understand no matter how hard you try to explain it"

[DeanMeadGator]

Poor you. Living in a land where the leader is "the other peoples president." You poor older white males have never had a chance in this oppressive state. I think they are after your guns next.

Yet another mischaracterization of "poor older white males." Perhaps I am unaware that "poor older white males" all have guns and no one else does.

I am of the opinion that all of the Constitutional Amendments are important and have survived for generations because they grant us certain freedoms

Perhaps "poor older white males" are also against free speech and freedom of religion. You left those out.

Signed, Older American - father of 3 and grandfather of 6.

One of the immutable laws of nature is that time waits for no man.The cycle of life continues.

[g8orbill]

gordo- I chose to single out the State of florida because they borrowed the money from the feds and did not pay it back-but the truth is I should have blamed your prez because he was the ........ who extended the benefits

does that make you feel better