So Who Has To Obey Current Firearm Laws

[gatorman_07732]

Please prosecute this jack wagon. This is seriously getting irritating.

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2518986

Virginia lawmaker's AK-47 sparks gun debate on House floor

[mdgator05]

Did you read the article?

The AK-47 that Morrissey brought on the floor was borrowed from someone else, his office told The Washington Examiner. He told Capitol Police about his plan in advance. Members of the General Assembly, law enforcement personnel or anyone with a concealed weapon permit is allowed to bring a gun into the Capitol.

So which crime is it that you would like to charge him as having committed?

[gatorman_07732]

Did you read the article?



So which crime is it that you would like to charge him as having committed?

I can easily answer your question along with your snide comment. These guns a clearly outlawed in DC.............................Next
Perhaps you should better educate yourself on firearms laws. He is clearly in violation of the law and should be charged with a felony. Are you telling me he has special rights? Bullchit

[mdgator05]

I can easily answer your question along with your snide comment. These guns a clearly outlawed in DC.............................Next
Perhaps you should better educate yourself on firearms laws. He is clearly in violation of the law and should be charged with a felony. Are you telling me he has special rights? Bullchit

He isn't in DC. He was in Richmond. In Richmond, as your article stated, a member of the State House is allowed to walk into the chamber with that gun.

[gatorman_07732]

He isn't in DC. He was in Richmond. In Richmond, as your article stated, a member of the State House is allowed to walk into the chamber with that gun.

May mistake on the DC part and your remark was snide, but really your telling me that a Representative of the house has the right to carry a firearm on gov property? What you're saying is he is above the law.

[gator7_5]

Nope. Sure doesn't. Noone is allowed to carry onto gov property outside of security. He should have been arrested on site.

[gatorman_07732]

We clearly have a different standard for the elite and the common gun owner folks

[The_Graygator]

Please prosecute this jack wagon. This is seriously getting irritating.

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Just goes to demonstrate the idiot anti-gunners who are campaigning to stop the sell of weapons like AK's and other SAR's and this complete and total CLOWN doesn't even know how to handle the weapon safely! :laugh:

This is the kind of cluelss fool who blames guns for crimes, not their criminal users.

[gatorman_07732]

Well gray in defense of this guy he is probably concerned about is double breasted mobster suit.

[mdgator05]

Nope. Sure doesn't. Noone is allowed to carry onto gov property outside of security. He should have been arrested on site.

Unless you are calling out the article, you are wrong on this.

He told Capitol Police about his plan in advance. Members of the General Assembly, law enforcement personnel or anyone with a concealed weapon permit is allowed to bring a gun into the Capitol.

[mdgator05]

We clearly have a different standard for the elite and the common gun owner folks

Again, your article states that anybody with a concealed carry permit is allowed to bring a gun into the state capitol there. So your complaint falls flat again.

[mdgator05]

May mistake on the DC part and your remark was snide, but really your telling me that a Representative of the house has the right to carry a firearm on gov property? What you're saying is he is above the law.

No he is following the letter of the law, which allows him as well as anyone with a concealed carry permit into the capitol with a gun. He is arguing that it is insane that the current law allows him to show up in their capitol with that weapon (just as it allows somebody to walk down main street with the weapon loaded or walk in front of a school with that weapon). It appears that you even agree with that point of view, since your first reaction was to call for his prosecution.

[gatorman_07732]

No he is following the letter of the law, which allows him as well as anyone with a concealed carry permit into the capitol with a gun. He is arguing that it is insane that the current law allows him to show up in their capitol with that weapon (just as it allows somebody to walk down main street with the weapon loaded or walk in front of a school with that weapon). It appears that you even agree with that point of view, since your first reaction was to call for his prosecution.

I happen to have a concealed carry permit as many other posters in this forum do, and not allowed to carry on gov property period. That is the law and you have a lack of knowledge of firearm law which is evident. There is no faster felony on the books.

[gator7_5]

Unless you are calling out the article, you are wrong on this.

So I can carry into the capital? Haha fat chance.

Like most gun control fanatics, you haven't a clue when it comes to firearms and regulations.

[mdgator05]

So I can carry into the capital? Haha fat chance.

Like most gun control fanatics, you haven't a clue when it comes to firearms and regulations.

Again, the article clearly states that you can walk into the Virginia state capitol with a gun if you have a concealed carry permit. Wikipedia says the same thing in their article on gun laws in Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Virginia

While I am sure I am not the most knowledgeable person about Virginia state law in the world, it would seem that if you are going to put down another person's knowledge of the topic, you should probably have some yourself. That doesn't appear to be the case here. I have relied upon the initial poster's article. If you have something that disputes the claims made in the OP's article, you should probably provide it.

[mdgator05]

I happen to have a concealed carry permit as many other posters in this forum do, and not allowed to carry on gov property period. That is the law and you have a lack of knowledge of firearm law which is evident. There is no faster felony on the books.

Do you live in Virginia? As I pointed out, all evidence, including your own article, dispute your claims. If you can find some evidence to support your claims that your own article was wrong, I would be glad to look it over. However, all evidence currently in this thread is that within the state of Virginia, a person with a Concealed Carry Permit is allowed into the State Capitol with a gun.

Again, read your own article.

[gatorman_07732]

Do you live in Virginia? As I pointed out, all evidence, including your own article, dispute your claims. If you can find some evidence to support your claims that your own article was wrong, I would be glad to look it over. However, all evidence currently in this thread is that within the state of Virginia, a person with a Concealed Carry Permit is allowed into the State Capitol with a gun.

The article is wrong, it's a federal offense to carry a firearm on gov property.

[co_gator89]

Never liked those thumbhole stocks. I wonder if that AK he's holding is the Egyptian Maadi.

If so, great choice of gun. Too bad it's being held by this nutsack.

[mdgator05]

The article is wrong, it's a federal offense to carry a firearm on gov property.

Please post a copy of this law or some basic description of it.

Here is another site that lists where you can't carry in Virginia, and it lists only federal government property, and courthouses, nothing about the State Capitol or other state government buildings (with the exception of schools and detention facilities).

http://vaguninfo.com/documents/VirginiaGunRights.pdf

[wargunfan]

Unless you are calling out the article, you are wrong on this.

The police do not make the laws. They are, however, required to enforce them. They have no authority to make exceptions. I am aware of no state which allows guns on government property other than in the hands of law enforcement or authorized security personnel. This dunderhead is breaking the law not to mention the fact that he is going to kill someone with his thumb on the trigger.

[wargunfan]

No he is following the letter of the law, which allows him as well as anyone with a concealed carry permit into the capitol with a gun. He is arguing that it is insane that the current law allows him to show up in their capitol with that weapon (just as it allows somebody to walk down main street with the weapon loaded or walk in front of a school with that weapon). It appears that you even agree with that point of view, since your first reaction was to call for his prosecution.

That clearly is not a concealed weapon.

[mdgator05]

The police do not make the laws. They are, however, required to enforce them. They have no authority to make exceptions. I am aware of no state which allows guns on government property other than in the hands of law enforcement or authorized security personnel. This dunderhead is breaking the law not to mention the fact that he is going to kill someone with his thumb on the trigger.

Again, I have provided three separate descriptions of Virginia state law, and all three of them either explicitly state members of the Assembly and anybody with a Concealed Carry permit are allowed to carry within the State Capitol or do not include the State Capitol on a list of places in which Concealed Carry is not permitted.

I agree it is an insane law. So you should probably join this man in calling for a change in that law.

[wargunfan]

From the Virginia firearms code: Prohibited places include courthouses, air carrier terminals, schools, Capitol and General Assembly buildings (open carrying only, members of the General Assembly and those with a valid CHP are permitted in the Capitol General Assembly buildings) Looks like the legislator is legal. He is however still stupid for the way he is holding the rifle.

[wargunfan]

Virginia is an open carry state and has a "shall issue" law for concealed carry. Good for them.

[gatorman_07732]

Virginia is an open carry state and has a "shall issue" law for concealed carry. Good for them.

Not for long with a*holes like this

[mdgator05]

Not for long with a*holes like this

Yeah, after all just the act of doing something legal with a gun in that state made you scream for his prosecution.

Your initial reactions (Prosecute him for breaking the law! followed by vehement denials of the law in Virginia) demonstrated the insanity of their law as it currently stands. Unless, of course, you just call for tyrannical prosecution of anybody that disagree with you. And I have no reason to believe that.

[wargunfan]

Yeah, after all just the act of doing something legal with a gun in that state made you scream for his prosecution.

Your initial reactions (Prosecute him for breaking the law! followed by vehement denials of the law in Virginia) demonstrated the insanity of their law as it currently stands. Unless, of course, you just call for tyrannical prosecution of anybody that disagree with you. And I have no reason to believe that.

Insofar as this gentleman? advocates for the demonization of semiautomatic weapons and demands their banning from the people, he deserves the title of demagogic, dunderheaded doogooder. But I digress from the OP.

[bluelang]

The article is wrong, it's a federal offense to carry a firearm on gov property.

The state capitol isn't federal government property.

[Lawdog88]

Is that a 74 or a 47 ?

[gatorman_07732]

Well I have to say I stand corrected and would have never thought. He carried the rifle under the Rules of the Legislature which prohibit firearms in the Capitol. Exceptions are: 1) Those who possess a Concealed Handgun Permit; 2) Members of the Legislature; 3) Law enforcement officers.
I should have researched this more before posting so my apologies to that point.
So he obviously used this to carry on his dog and pony show. As for Md saying we should stand with him to change the law....good try
This was more about a guy that wants to take away peoples right in the sate of VA and not about the legislature rules, although this is a god example of elitism of law makers.

[rpmGator]

Lots of people have twenty and thirty shot clips already. So many, you can't afford to put all in jail.

The mentaly ill kid who stole the gun, did not get the weapon through a legal sale. Yet, that is who they go after.

In other words, this has nothing to do with the event, it is the excuse to go after guns, and we all know that won't end well for the side trying to take them.

When a crazy kid drives a car into a kindergarden, the rest of us will then be on foot.

[jimgata]

Law abiding citizens will follow any gun law. But do you know what a criminal is, he is someone who breaks the law.
A law abiding citizen would not randomly kill people, the mentally unstable and the criminal will and they don't care about the law.
For the lawmakers and beleding hearts to strut around and think they have accomplished something when a law is passed is bs. You must go to the root cause that is causing violence and sitting around talking about it and passing useless laws will not solve it.

[PIMking]

Did you read the article?



So which crime is it that you would like to charge him as having committed?

I would like to know since when anyone with a conceal carry license can go on federal property with a gun... Maybe that's changed because they're elite and not the common folks like us.

[PIMking]

I just wish the anti gun people would move to one part of the country like Chicago so they can live their fantasy with a gun free enviroment and don't have to worry about being robbed or shot and leave the rest of us LAC's alone

[gator7_5]

Well I have to say I stand corrected and would have never thought. He carried the rifle under the Rules of the Legislature which prohibit firearms in the Capitol. Exceptions are: 1) Those who possess a Concealed Handgun Permit; 2) Members of the Legislature; 3) Law enforcement officers.
I should have researched this more before posting so my apologies to that point.
So he obviously used this to carry on his dog and pony show. As for Md saying we should stand with him to change the law....good try
This was more about a guy that wants to take away peoples right in the sate of VA and not about the legislature rules, although this is a god example of elitism of law makers.

Ditto, my hat's off to Virginia. I'll admit I'm only familiar with Fl Concealed Carry laws, since that's where I have one.

[mdgator05]

I would like to know since when anyone with a conceal carry license can go on federal property with a gun... Maybe that's changed because they're elite and not the common folks like us.

Seriously?

How many times has that been clarified on this thread? It was not federal government property but rather the property of the state government of Virginia?

[mdgator05]

Well I have to say I stand corrected and would have never thought. He carried the rifle under the Rules of the Legislature which prohibit firearms in the Capitol. Exceptions are: 1) Those who possess a Concealed Handgun Permit; 2) Members of the Legislature; 3) Law enforcement officers.
I should have researched this more before posting so my apologies to that point.
So he obviously used this to carry on his dog and pony show. As for Md saying we should stand with him to change the law....good try
This was more about a guy that wants to take away peoples right in the sate of VA and not about the legislature rules, although this is a god example of elitism of law makers.

So you think he should be able to carry that gun anywhere in the state? Why was your first instinct to prosecute him then? Or do you just want to prosecute all of your political opponents? The laws in question here aren't legislature rules but rather the gun laws of the state of Virginia.

[PIMking]

Seriously?

How many times has that been clarified on this thread? It was not federal government property but rather the property of the state government of Virginia?

cause I assumed he was at the Capitol in Washington not Virginia and I can never be wrong because I'm the king!!! lol

[mdgator05]

cause I assumed he was at the Capitol in Washington not Virginia and I can never be wrong because I'm the king!!! lol

Read the thread. You wouldn't have to assume if you read the thread, on which it was mentioned 8 separate times that we were discussing the state capitol in Virginia, not the federal capitol.

[PIMking]

Read the thread. You wouldn't have to assume if you read the thread, on which it was mentioned 8 separate times that we were discussing the state capitol in Virginia, not the federal capitol.

I didn't read the whole thing before I quoted it. It's not the end of the world bud so don't get your undies in a bunch.


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[gatorman_07732]

So you think he should be able to carry that gun anywhere in the state? Why was your first instinct to prosecute him then? Or do you just want to prosecute all of your political opponents? The laws in question here aren't legislature rules but rather the gun laws of the state of Virginia.

My first reaction I'll be it was wrong because for some reason I was thinking in DC and rushed to judgment on it just to make an ass of myself. When I conducted my training for concealed weapons I have always been told that carrying a firearm on government property was an instant felony. Why legislators are allowed to carry on floor of the state House of Delegates is beyond me. I believe this is a typical attitude of do what I say not as I do. Law makers write the laws md and in my research I found that they actually changed this in 2004 to allow carry into that building.

[m9000]

Felony stupid to put your finger in the trigger guard during a "demonstration".

[mdgator05]

Felony stupid to put your finger in the trigger guard during a "demonstration".

Maybe I am just not too ignorant on guns (I have certainly been accused of it here), but what happens if you pull the trigger of an unloaded gun? Pretty sure nobody gets shot. He told everybody the gun wasn't loaded.

[helix139]

Maybe I am just not too ignorant on guns (I have certainly been accused of it here), but what happens if you pull the trigger of an unloaded gun? Pretty sure nobody gets shot. He told everybody the gun wasn't loaded.

Firearms safety rule #1...treat every gun as if it is loaded. Never just take someone's word for it.

[rpmGator]

There has never been an unloaded gun, in my life at least.

I didn't know it was loaded, are the dumbest words on record. If you didn't know, why did you pull the damn trigger. Look and find out first you fool.

Then when you know, treat it like its' still loaded and everyone will be fine.