Official Gator gun porn thread

[HungaryGator]

For Christmas I got a 7.62 mm Nagant revolver (the standard sidearm of the Red Army in WWII) model 1895.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/smallarms/KWjpg/nagrev2.jpg

Totally outdated by WWII, the cylinder doesn't swing out...you have to unload each of the 7 chambers individually. The 98 grain target ammo made for it today is suitable for putting holes in paper or maybe shooting rabbits but not much beyond that. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the 108 grain Soviet military rounds which make it equivalent to about a .32 caliber revolver - not tremendously powerful but still lethal. Those rounds weren't cheap though.

Ultimately what I most want is the Pietta reproduction Le Mat revolver.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/9287092633/9479304/d5c83f8cdea6b929c138095ba07d155f.jpg

This puppy is reproduction 9 shot .44 caliber percussion pistol with a single shot 20 gauge shotgun under barrel. It was a favorite of the Confederate cavalry and proved to be a very effective weapon. Beautiful!

What do y'all have and what guns do you want to buy?

[gator7_5]

Sweet guns and great thread! I'm not a classic collector, but my father is a lot like you, and I'll end up with them.

Some of mine..

Most unique: German Lugar. Mint condition.
Fav: Browning Belgian A-5 light 12
Home defense: S&W .357 revolver
Office defense: Glock 27
Most used: Browning 270 stainless stalker with a BOSS... Straight tackdriver
Wanted: I want to pick up an AR for obvious reasons and I also don't have a 1911 yet, and they look cool.

I have a couple more I don't like to make public on the net...

Oh, Bow bonus: Diamond Black Ice.

Pics to follow later

[HungaryGator]

The Luger 9mm Parabellum is another that from a technical standpoint was not that good of a weapon. Although very accurate, its construction was rather delicate and it was prone to jamming BUT....it was just so gorgeous it doesn't matter. Everybody loves them (as do I).

http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/images/App0002%20DWM%209mm%20Luger%20automatic%20Pistol%2 0Chamber%20dated%201917.JPG

You can get a genuine WWII Luger Parabellum for about $2,000 if you shop around. The Le Mat reproduction is about $1,000. A real one that was actually used in the war and is in good condition will run you about $30,000 or so.


My brother recently got a Mauser 98 8mm rifle - the standard weapon of both the Imperial German army in WWI as well as the Wehrmacht in WWII. It was so advanced when it came out and so much better than anything the US had that the US govt. had Springfield Armory obtain a license to make the Springfield rifle (the standard weapon of the US in WWI) which was really just a Mauser knock-off.

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/7g4m0/products/29418/images/133751/R14556A__35643.1350666336.1280.1280.JPG

You can buy them pretty cheaply (I think my brother only spent about $175 on his) but the 8mm ammo is not cheap.

My brother in law bought a Mosin Nagant 7.62mm rifle - the standard rifle of both the Imperial Russian Army in WWI as well as the Red Army in WWII. It cost him about $125.

https://www.bobsga.com/cart/image/cache/data/used%20guns/Mosin%2091-30-600x600.jpg

[gator7_5]

My luger was given to me by my father. It was used in WWII. But the problem is it had been damaged at some point and the serial numbers of one single part doesn't match the rest. He also has a sweet german dagger and sheath he has framed. It was lifted off a killed oficer. I'll post pics of both when I go to his house again.

[mh2os]

[QUOTE=HungaryGator;6328405]For Christmas I got a 7.62 mm Nagant revolver (the standard sidearm of the Red Army in WWII) model 1895.

Ultimately what I most want is the Pietta reproduction Le Mat revolver. This puppy is reproduction 9 shot .44 caliber percussion pistol with a single shot 20 gauge shotgun under barrel. It was a favorite of the Confederate cavalry and proved to be a very effective weapon. Beautiful!

I believe this is the kind of sidearm carried by JEB Stuart, Major General CSA

[HungaryGator]

I believe this is the kind of sidearm carried by JEB Stuart, Major General CSA

Yep JEB carried one. This is his hat and his Le Mat revolver in the Virginia museum of the Confederacy.

http://travelphotobase.com/i/USVA/VARF142.JPG

Several others carried them as well. The shotgun was tough on the wrists but devastating at close range. The design was a few years old already and was halfway between the old muzzle loaders and the rimfire cartridge revolvers that came later.

[Gator515151]

I think I have mentioned the only hand gun I have in the house is an 1860 44cal. Army Colt. The boogie man is safe around my house because it would take me 10 minutes to load all 6 cylinders. I had an 1851 38cal Navy but it got stolen. I love shooting black powder revolvers.

[HungaryGator]

I think I have mentioned the only hand gun I have in the house is an 1860 44cal. Army Colt. The boogie man is safe around my house because it would take me 10 minutes to load all 6 cylinders. I had an 1851 38cal Navy but it got stolen. I love shooting black powder revolvers.

Just out of curiosity....I can just buy one without having to wait right? My understanding is that other than being 18, there aren't any restrictions for black powder guns and they could just mail one right to me if I bought it online rather than having to ship it to an FFL dealer where I would then have to pay for the background check and wait, etc. Is that right?

I've never had a black powder gun before. Hell, I've never even fired a black powder gun.

[gator7_5]

Just out of curiosity....I can just buy one without having to wait right? My understanding is that other than being 18, there aren't any restrictions for black powder guns and they could just mail one right to me if I bought it online rather than having to ship it to an FFL dealer where I would then have to pay for the background check and wait, etc. Is that right?

I've never had a black powder gun before. Hell, I've never even fired a black powder gun.

Correct, blackpowdere and shotguns can be sold on the spot. The only guns allowed to be owned by felons, btw, are classic flintlock type blackpowders.. Lol.

[1993R]

I have my grandfathers Lee Enfield from ww2. I recently took it all the way down and inspected it and re-assembled it after a really good cleaning. I plan on going to the range soon a shooting a box of shells and then mounting it in my office at home.
Wife just bought a Walther PPS .40. going Weds to shoot with her and get her up to speed on it.
Also have a couple of shot guns and a SKS with a sight.

[insuragator]

I came for the porn but stayed for the guns. Lol

I went to the jacksonville gun show today. One hour in line to get in. Freaking awesome display. WAY too expensive. The Big AR 15 table was sold out before we got there at 9 o'clock. Fun show though.

[HungaryGator]

I'm looking for a double action blued, 1911 .45 acp and I'd like to keep it at or around $500. Does anybody have any recommendations?

I've been shocked to see how cheap the Hi-Points Polys are. Are they OK or just total pieces of crap?

Something that looks like this
http://mach1arsenal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NIB-Model-1911-A1-.45-ACP-Pistol-45ACP-45.jpg

I've seen Mach 1 .45 cal acp's at between $400 and $450 as well as the Girsin 1911 series and a few others. Does anybody have any insights into any of these?

[co_gator89]

What I own personally (S&W 659):

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/11/11/227569_02_smith_wesson_659_9mm_sold_pend_640.jpg

What I don't have, but want (serious gun porn for me):

Egyptian Maadi AK-47 (oh yeah that's hot):

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/11/08/649867_01_egyptian_maadi_ak47_7_62x39_640.jpg

Oh yeah! That's it!

http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/mk23/lg_mark23.jpg

Aaaahh. All done. Night guys!

[ValdostaGatorFan]

I'm looking for a double action blued, 1911 .45 acp and I'd like to keep it at or around $500. Does anybody have any recommendations?

I've been shocked to see how cheap the Hi-Points Polys are. Are they OK or just total pieces of crap?

Something that looks like this
http://mach1arsenal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NIB-Model-1911-A1-.45-ACP-Pistol-45ACP-45.jpg

I've seen Mach 1 .45 cal acp's at between $400 and $450 as well as the Girsin 1911 series and a few others. Does anybody have any insights into any of these?


I've heard both sides on the hi-point pistols, but from what I've heard from my military and law enforcement com-padres, it's a good gun for the money. I've personaly owned a hi-point .45acp. I put ~250/300 rounds through it, sold it for 3x what I had in it. I never had FTF or FTE, no matter the ammo. Accuracy was par for the course.

My gun pron contribution/next gun

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[ValdostaGatorFan]

p.s. Check the Rock Island 1911, I haven't read many reviews, but I think they are in your price range

[Gator515151]

Just out of curiosity....I can just buy one without having to wait right? My understanding is that other than being 18, there aren't any restrictions for black powder guns and they could just mail one right to me if I bought it online rather than having to ship it to an FFL dealer where I would then have to pay for the background check and wait, etc. Is that right?

I've never had a black powder gun before. Hell, I've never even fired a black powder gun.

That is correct no background check for black powder guns unless things have changed. Keep in mind you will not be able to shoot black powder in most indoor ranges due to the smoke problem. I used to fill the cylinders with powder and cap them off with candle wax, basically you are shooting blanks. Scares the crap out of people at the new years eave party when you start shooting indoors. Caution, powder burns so never point the gun at anybody or anything you don't want powder burns on.

[rpmGator]

And don't pull a Brandon Lee who killed himself with a gun with blanks, when he held it to his head and gave it a watch this...

The wadding killed him. Even Bruce could have told him not to do something that dumb.

[PIMking]

the Mauser model 98 was used by a bunch of armies through out the world, used against the Americans in the Spanish American war, The Swedish used them, and I want an official Karbiner98 with nazi stamps number matching so bad.

list of guns I have:

S&W airweight 38 Special
RIA 1911a1
Custom AR15
Mossberg ATR100 30-06
Remington 770 .243
Savage Axis .223
Mossberg MVP Varmint .223 (tack driver)
Springfield XDS
Glock 33
Glock 36
Glock 26
S&W M&P9c
Mossberg Maverick .20ga
Sig P250 (worst pistol ever)


I reload all my own ammo too, I reload .45, 9mm and .223

make a box of V-Max .223 50g for $6.47/box of 20! that's $.32/round and around $8/box of 50 in 45 and 6ish for 9mm

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/PIMking/2162D60F-E4C9-4433-BFDE-AD8B1540FB61-59301-00000DB4FD17FD82.jpg

Savage axis (back) Rem770 Front.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/PIMking/reload_zps5fa16e7e.jpg

Hand loads, 50g vmax .223 23.5g powder 75

[PIMking]

I'm looking for a double action blued, 1911 .45 acp and I'd like to keep it at or around $500. Does anybody have any recommendations?

I've been shocked to see how cheap the Hi-Points Polys are. Are they OK or just total pieces of crap?

Something that looks like this
http://mach1arsenal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NIB-Model-1911-A1-.45-ACP-Pistol-45ACP-45.jpg

I've seen Mach 1 .45 cal acp's at between $400 and $450 as well as the Girsin 1911 series and a few others. Does anybody have any insights into any of these?

Well you wont find it blued and the picture you posted is parkerized, but you can find a 1911 from Rock Island Arsenal for that price and it's made by Armscor who owns the factory in the Phillipines where the original 1911 was made. Citidel is another that is made by armscor and is the exact same thing

[helix139]

List of what I've got:

Spike's Tactical AR-15 mid-length w/12" BAR Quad rail, Magpul MOE Stock, Magpul MBUS flip up sights, Magpul BAD Lever, EOTech EXPS3-4, Eotech G33.STS 3.4x magnifier
Remington 700 SPS Stainless 300 Win Mag, Leupold VXII custom 4-12x40AO scope w/ M1 BDC turrets
Remington 870 Express 12Ga Slug w/fully rifled barrel and cantilever scope mount, 3-9x40 Bushnell scope
Sig P229 DAK .40S&W
Sig P239 SAS .40S&W/.357 Sig (have both barrels) w/ TruGlo tritium fiber optic sights.

Next purchase will probably be a Sig P229 Scorpion 9mm or P226 Elite Dark with a threaded barrel as I've been thinking about acquiring a suppressor for HD use. There's a lot to be said for being able to operate your HD weapon 1 handed and not have to worry about blowing your ears out on the first shot.

[Strikepackagegator]

My small collection:
H&k USP 40
Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact 9MM
Mossberg 500 with tactical stock

[HungaryGator]

I've been giving some serious thought to getting a Keltec P-11 9mm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg/300px-Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg

Does anybody have any experience with them? From what I've read, they're supposed to be pretty solid guns and as an added bonus, they're made in good ole Florida.

[GolphinGator]

I've been giving some serious thought to getting a Keltec P-11 9mm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg/300px-Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg

Does anybody have any experience with them? From what I've read, they're supposed to be pretty solid guns and as an added bonus, they're made in good ole Florida.

Did you ask that just to see if anyone knew that it is the type gun George Zimmerman had?

I have not shot the Keltec 9mm. I have shot many rounds with the Taurus slim 9 that is the same size and price range. Both the Keltec P-11 and the Taurus slim are low cost as handguns go. They are easy to conceal and will work for close range.

[ValdostaGatorFan]

Did you ask that just to see if anyone knew that it is the type gun George Zimmerman had?

I have not shot the Keltec 9mm. I have shot many rounds with the Taurus slim 9 that is the same size and price range. Both the Keltec P-11 and the Taurus slim are low cost as handguns go. They are easy to conceal and will work for close range.

I like the Ruger LCP when it comes to pocket pistols. It's really thin, also. It's chambered in .380, but it's only about $200, and is probably the beset selling Concealed Carry gun.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/12/16/721702_01_ruger_lcp_380_with_extras_640.jpg

[GolphinGator]

I like the Ruger LCP when it comes to pocket pistols. It's really thin, also. It's chambered in .380, but it's only about $200, and is probably the beset selling Concealed Carry gun.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/12/16/721702_01_ruger_lcp_380_with_extras_640.jpg

Gander Mountain has that gun listed at $350.00 now. The 9mm is a little higher, but not a lot higher than the Keltec and the reviews and reputation are much better than the Taurus or Keltec.

[tec68]

It was disturbing lol

[HungaryGator]

I really don't want anything smaller than a 9mm. I have the 7.62mm Nagant which is about equivalent to a .32 already. I just don't trust a .380 to get the job done should I need it to.....and yes I plan to get a 1911 eventually, I'd just like a 9mm for now. I looked at the Hi Point but the thing is just too butt-ugly and too prone to jamming for me to feel comfortable with it.

[GolphinGator]

I think you would be fine with the Keltec or the Taurus slim. The Ruger LCP comes in a 9mm and I think it is the better made of the three. I want the S&W Shield in the 9mm' but they are very hard to find.

[jimbyers]

Note to HungaryGator..
I have a Colt38 Double Action Revolver - Mfg in 1905 and am looking for a buyer.
Also have a letter of Authenticity from Colt.
e-mail jwbyer@tampabay.rr.com
Thanks

[Swamp_Lovin_Gal]

Uhhhhh. .... wow.

[King8r]

Great! Gun porn is my second favorite kind. ;) I love all handguns, but lean towards more modern firearms.

FA UZI
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/UZI.jpg

with Suppressor
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/suppresseduzi.jpg

AK
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/AK2.jpg

FN SLP
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/SLP.jpg

Ed Brown Kobra Carry with custom leather
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/Kobra.jpg

couple of Springers, XD and MC Operator
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/Springers.jpg

AR15 home built on Colt NM lower
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/ODAR.jpg

Browning H1-Power with .22 upper and AAC Pilot suppressor
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/Browning%20Pilot.jpg

H&K P7
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kingstan/P7.JPG

Not all of my toys, but some of my favorites. Would have more but had to sell some for booster fees. :lol:

[Tipmoose]

I don't own any guns. They all got lost in a horrible boating accident last summer on the lake.

[HungaryGator]

Acquired the Keltec P11....now to get some more mags for it. The Smith and Wesson 5900 series offers 15 round mags but darned if you can find 'em (or ammo for that matter) right now.

[GolphinGator]

Acquired the Keltec P11....now to get some more mags for it. The Smith and Wesson 5900 series offers 15 round mags but darned if you can find 'em (or ammo for that matter) right now.

Try gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com and they should have what you are looking for.

[1993R]

just bought a CZ P 07 Duty in 40 cal. Pretty happy with it and got a good deal.....Will be fun to go to the range and shoot with the wife now that she has the Walther PPS 40 cal.

[GolphinGator]

Ebay also has 10 round magazines for the Keltec P11 for under $30. Ammo is hit and miss at this time more miss than hit. Like I posted earlier you can buy it online at the places I posted. Once in a while you might find it at Walmart or Gander Mountain and places like that. It has been crazy as even 22 ammo is hard to get in the stores.

[HungaryGator]

Ebay also has 10 round magazines for the Keltec P11 for under $30. Ammo is hit and miss at this time more miss than hit. Like I posted earlier you can buy it online at the places I posted. Once in a while you might find it at Walmart or Gander Mountain and places like that. It has been crazy as even 22 ammo is hard to get in the stores.

Thanks, I'll check it out. I'm looking for the 12 round clip from Keltec (I've got a 10 round clip already) or what I'd really like are Smith and Wesson 5900 or 6900 series 15 round clips. Its been crazy trying to find stuff now.

[rpmGator]

In this case, a thousand words is better than the picture.

[HungaryGator]

Ebay also has 10 round magazines for the Keltec P11 for under $30. Ammo is hit and miss at this time more miss than hit. Like I posted earlier you can buy it online at the places I posted. Once in a while you might find it at Walmart or Gander Mountain and places like that. It has been crazy as even 22 ammo is hard to get in the stores.

I took your advice and was finally able to get the Smith & Wesson 15 round magazine I'd been looking for. Thanks.

[GolphinGator]

I took your advice and was finally able to get the Smith & Wesson 15 round magazine I'd been looking for. Thanks.

Anytime, glad I could help.

[PIMking]

Hey ultimate, you can carry out your fantasies on another forum please

[jonbrowna]

[QUOTE=HungaryGator;6328405]For Christmas I got a 7.62 mm Nagant revolver (the standard sidearm of the Red Army in WWII) model 1895.

Ultimately what I most want is the Pietta reproduction Le Mat revolver. This puppy is reproduction 9 shot .44 caliber percussion pistol with a single shot 20 gauge shotgun under barrel. It was a favorite of the Confederate cavalry and proved to be a very effective weapon. Beautiful!

I believe this is the kind of sidearm carried by JEB Stuart, Major General CSA

JEB Stuart is a uncle of mine down the line of my grandma

[HungaryGator]

In looking at 1911's (my next acquisition) I really like the Remington R1

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/GanderMountainOvertons/GM447572_L1?$product$

and its within at least an acceptable price range to me ($600-$700). Its very old school because....Remington made some of the first 1911's for the US Army. It IS old school as about 90% of it is identical to the ones they made in WWI.

The one thing I wish they had changed though is to make it a double stack like the Para Ordnance p14

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/canada/1287742442.jpg

Having 14 rounds instead of a 7 round mag would be HUGE. I DESPISE the extension or well thingy on the clips though. Its not enough that a gun perform well. I have to like the way it looks. This is gun porn after all.... :)

[PIMking]

1911's don't have clips...

[PIMking]

http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/clip-vs-mag-img6

[helix139]

I've been thinking about making my next purchase a S&W M&P 9mm, sending it off to ATEi for custom trigger, grip, and slide work and adding a Trijicon RMR and supressor sights, adding a threaded barrel, and getting a can for it for home defense use. I love shotguns but in a home defense situation there is something to be said for being able to have a hand free if need be and still operate the weapon, and also for not blowing out your hearing on your first shot. Another option might be a sig p226 or another p229 with a factory threaded barrel. I love my current sigs (p229 and p239 in .40) but adding the RMR would be the challenge and I really like the idea of having something that operates on fiber optics with no need for batteries and is super easy to acquire a sight picture. Thoughts?

[g8r925]

Love this thread, saw where it was mentioned about ammo and availability. I was a Bass Pro here in Fort Myers, and the shelves are empty. Gun Case was empty to. Crazy. The gentlemen at the desk told me that they were having problems getting guns back in the case and ammo, they said they couldn't keep .22 shells or .22 mag shells, that all of guys are taking there AR platforms and converting them to .22 mag. Maybe it will get better shortly. As far as my next purchase, I'm looking into getting something for my wife, any suggestions.

[HungaryGator]

1911's don't have clips...

OK OK mags. Stickler. :laugh:

I swear the more I look at Lugers the more I want one of those RIGHT NOW too. I have to control my lust when it comes to guns. Its not easy. :)

[GolphinGator]

Love this thread, saw where it was mentioned about ammo and availability. I was a Bass Pro here in Fort Myers, and the shelves are empty. Gun Case was empty to. Crazy. The gentlemen at the desk told me that they were having problems getting guns back in the case and ammo, they said they couldn't keep .22 shells or .22 mag shells, that all of guys are taking there AR platforms and converting them to .22 mag. Maybe it will get better shortly. As far as my next purchase, I'm looking into getting something for my wife, any suggestions.

Not having much luck finding ammo around Gainesville or Ocala. Online seems to be the only option at this time and the price is high. Walmart on Archer road did have some 45 auto at $20.00 for 50 rds and a box of 40 auto. I have plenty of 45 at this time. I need 223 , 22 and 9. There is none in the local stores. I am just not shooting what I have and waiting for things to ease up.

[HungaryGator]

[QUOTE=mh2os;6328944]

JEB Stuart is a uncle of mine down the line of my grandma

VERY COOL! My g-g-grandfather was a Captain in the 53rd Tennessee Infantry. I have about a dozen direct ancestors who served in the Confederate army but he was the highest ranking one. I haven't researched all the distant cousins etc but considering my direct name-bearing ancestor landed in the Jamestown settlement in 1649 and the family lived in ole Virginny for the next 200 years, I'm sure I must have a ton of more distant cousins who served in the ANV.

[PIMking]

Love this thread, saw where it was mentioned about ammo and availability. I was a Bass Pro here in Fort Myers, and the shelves are empty. Gun Case was empty to. Crazy. The gentlemen at the desk told me that they were having problems getting guns back in the case and ammo, they said they couldn't keep .22 shells or .22 mag shells, that all of guys are taking there AR platforms and converting them to .22 mag. Maybe it will get better shortly. As far as my next purchase, I'm looking into getting something for my wife, any suggestions.

It's getting better as the days pass and the hysteria of bans fade into the past. Ammo here isn't the best but the last three stores I went into (woods n water, Bass pro and simmons sporting goods) all had .223. That isn't an issue for me since I reload but powder is even hard to find now event the bullets themselves are getting rare.

I can make .223 cheaper than pre-scare prices and more accurate than pre-scare prices plus reloading is nice little hobby to go along with shooting.

[GolphinGator]

It's getting better as the days pass and the hysteria of bans fade into the past. Ammo here isn't the best but the last three stores I went into (woods n water, Bass pro and simmons sporting goods) all had .223. That isn't an issue for me since I reload but powder is even hard to find now event the bullets themselves are getting rare.

I can make .223 cheaper than pre-scare prices and more accurate than pre-scare prices plus reloading is nice little hobby to go along with shooting.

I think the smart thing for me to do would be to start reloading. I have given it some thought. I have some many things going and not enough time to play with the toys I already have.

[wygator]

Keltec's first entry into the shotgun category (I don't own this...)

The size, shape, and design is similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9 lbs. and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1” overall length and an 18.5” cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 12 rounds of 12 gauge 3” rounds in total (6 per tube). It can also reliably shoot shells as short as 1 3/4" up to the 3"

http://www.keltecweapons.com/uploaded_files/ourguns/gallery/b_ad06f8357508a9b2087e460442307fb1DSC03535.jpg

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/

[nastyreptile]

I just picked up a Glock 35 pretty cheap, can't have too many extra's.

Hope it's not stolen....lol....:cry:

[PIMking]

I have a love for bolt guns right now, I'm gonna get a .204, the balistics are nuts on that little round.

[gatorman_07732]

HK-94 and Aug


http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/picture.php?pictureid=2391&albumid=227&dl=1360512630&thumb=1

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/picture.php?pictureid=2390&albumid=227&dl=1360512630&thumb=1

[HungaryGator]

Add to the ignore list it is.

[HungaryGator]

No disgusting fat, hairy mostly nekkid dude appears.....yet again.....in a thread about guns.

Yep, Ignore works.

[PIMking]

Where is more appropriate than a thread devoted to "gun porn," O Pit of Kings?

Besides, I'm not the one fetishizing firearms in this thread...


Have another take on our good friend:



Just because you dont like firearms doesn't mean you have to troll and ruin the thread mattinohio

[PIMking]

<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=476710259033332" width="568" height="320" frameborder="0"></iframe>

I love that stuff

[helix139]

Figured I'd do my part to get this thread back on track.

Here's my Spike's Tactical 16" Midlength AR-15. I don't normally run a bipod but just got back from sighting in the Eotech with the magnifier added at the range. Mods and accessories: Eotech EXPS 3-4, Eotech G33.STS, Magpul MBUS flip up sights, Spikes Adjustable low-profile gas block, 12" Spikes BAR rail, Tac latch charging handle, Magpul MOE stock, some cheap VFG (for indexing hand position, not gripping like a handle), Ergo Grip, Magpul BAD lever. Awaiting delivery: Haley Strategic Inforce WML with thorntail offset mount. Future plans: Surefire brake and Geissele SSA 2-stage trigger.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8479241755_3b93d98bff_c.jpg

Remington 700 SPS Stainless .300WM w/ Leupold VX-II 4-12x40 AO scope with custom M1 drop and windage compensation for my typical load (Hornady SST 180gr).
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8228/8479243721_923b839434_c.jpg

Sig P229 DAK .40S&W SigLite sights & Sig P239 SAS .40S&W or .357 Sig (have both barrels) w/ TruGlo TFO sights.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8112/8480328600_3abf24439f_c.jpg

[RepubliGator84]

No pics at the moment, but here's my list:

Bushmaster AR-15 (got it brand new for $895 a few days after the shootings)
FNX 9 MM
FNX 45 ACP (coming in soon); someday I will complete the set and get the FNX 40 when the hysteria dies down
Kel Tec P3AT .380 ACP- still trying to break it in
Ruger 10/22 and Smith & Wesson MP 15-22 for cheap shooting

I'm also hoping my dad will let me keep his 1981 Dan Wesson 6-shot 357 revolver with a fixed 6 inch barrel. It's a thing of beauty

[The_Graygator]

For Christmas I got a 7.62 mm Nagant revolver (the standard sidearm of the Red Army in WWII) model 1895.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/smallarms/KWjpg/nagrev2.jpg

Totally outdated by WWII, the cylinder doesn't swing out...you have to unload each of the 7 chambers individually. The 98 grain target ammo made for it today is suitable for putting holes in paper or maybe shooting rabbits but not much beyond that. Fortunately, I was able to obtain the 108 grain Soviet military rounds which make it equivalent to about a .32 caliber revolver - not tremendously powerful but still lethal. Those rounds weren't cheap though.

Ultimately what I most want is the Pietta reproduction Le Mat revolver.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/9287092633/9479304/d5c83f8cdea6b929c138095ba07d155f.jpg

This puppy is reproduction 9 shot .44 caliber percussion pistol with a single shot 20 gauge shotgun under barrel. It was a favorite of the Confederate cavalry and proved to be a very effective weapon. Beautiful!

What do y'all have and what guns do you want to buy?



Only Russian pistol I've ever fired was a Marakov 9mm. Gotta be careful with those too because the slide can tear the meaty area between your thumb and pointer finger a new one if you have bigger hands. :whoa:

[The_Graygator]

I'm looking for a double action blued, 1911 .45 acp and I'd like to keep it at or around $500. Does anybody have any recommendations?

I've been shocked to see how cheap the Hi-Points Polys are. Are they OK or just total pieces of crap?

Something that looks like this
http://mach1arsenal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NIB-Model-1911-A1-.45-ACP-Pistol-45ACP-45.jpg

I've seen Mach 1 .45 cal acp's at between $400 and $450 as well as the Girsin 1911 series and a few others. Does anybody have any insights into any of these?



Have a perfect suggestion.

Go Regent brand 1911's. All steel, blued usually. They're usually under $500 and are quality 1911 platforms. I have one in a .45 cal.

I also have a Colt 1911 .22 LR that I love to target shoot with.

1911's are, IMO, the best gripping pistols I've ever fired, at least for me.

[The_Graygator]

I've been giving some serious thought to getting a Keltec P-11 9mm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg/300px-Kel-Tec-P-11.jpg

Does anybody have any experience with them? From what I've read, they're supposed to be pretty solid guns and as an added bonus, they're made in good ole Florida.



Don't, you won't like the trigger, the mechnaisms tend to break, and their small concealed weapons are usually built rather cheap.

You want a quality .380 or 9mm conceal carry, go with the Ruger LCP or LC-9. You won't be disappointed.

[The_Graygator]

I like the Ruger LCP when it comes to pocket pistols. It's really thin, also. It's chambered in .380, but it's only about $200, and is probably the beset selling Concealed Carry gun.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/12/16/721702_01_ruger_lcp_380_with_extras_640.jpg

Here ya go. A damn nice handgun, the .380 Ruger LCP.

I conceal carry the Ruger 9mm LC-9 9mm with Crimson Trace laser, which is only a little bigger. 6 inches in length, about 3/4 an inch wide, and weighs only 23 ounces fully loaded wih 7+1. Great, reliable weapon breaks down into only 5 parts for easy cleaning, and has very good stopping power up to 40 yards with the right ammo.

[HungaryGator]

Thanks Gray.....I got the Keltec and like it. If it ever breaks there is a lifetime warranty on the gun so I just mail it back to the factory and they fix it.

For 1911's...I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I should go with the midprice ones (eg $700-$900) rather than the really cheap ones ($500+/-). The ones I'm looking at the most are the Remington R1 and the Para Ordnance P14 and Para Ordnance GI exert (14 rd capacity version).

I like the hi cap mags for the Para's but the Remington has all the classic lines, is 90% the exact same gun as what they produced for the govt in their initial contract during WWI and you can find 'em in the $600 range. Both Remington and Para Ordnance have good reputations for quality.

I'm open to suggestion from anybody who knows 1911's...just know I like the classic design best, want one that's blued or black oxidized, and I'm not big on skeletonized triggers or hammers....and of course it needs to be really reliable as in I pull trigger and gun goes bang-no matter freaking what.

[The_Graygator]

Thanks Gray.....I got the Keltec and like it. If it ever breaks there is a lifetime warranty on the gun so I just mail it back to the factory and they fix it.

For 1911's...I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I should go with the midprice ones (eg $700-$900) rather than the really cheap ones ($500+/-). The ones I'm looking at the most are the Remington R1 and the Para Ordnance P14 and Para Ordnance GI exert (14 rd capacity version).

I like the hi cap mags for the Para's but the Remington has all the classic lines, is 90% the exact same gun as what they produced for the govt in their initial contract during WWI and you can find 'em in the $600 range. Both Remington and Para Ordnance have good reputations for quality.

I'm open to suggestion from anybody who knows 1911's...just know I like the classic design best, want one that's blued or black oxidized, and I'm not big on skeletonized triggers or hammers....and of course it needs to be really reliable as in I pull trigger and gun goes bang-no matter freaking what.



Then you can't go wrong with a Remington 1911. Well built, reliable, solid. I'd like to have one in .45 cal as my next handgun.

As I pointed out, I have a Colt .22LR 1911 that is a bad-ass all black steel weapon, but I'd like another 1911 in 9mm too.

The Regent I bought is a tough, reliable brand for around $500. Amazing thing about 1911's is that they don;t have a lot of kick to them because they're a very balanced platform, and you can drop one in a ud puddle, pick it up, and fire another 100 rounds through it without a problem.

Little thing I learned about 1911's that have been been dirtied, the slide will literally eject the dirt out of the gun as you fire it. Just an amazing hand gun design IMO.

They're designed for part spacing when you remove surface rust or whatever and they still fit together well.

[oldgator]

Luger
Thompson with drum
WWII B.A.R.

[HungaryGator]

Luger
Thompson with drum
WWII B.A.R.

Simply awesome! After the 1911, a Luger p08 will be my next acquisition.....to get a Tommy Gun or a B.A.R. I'd need to be licensed for fully automatic weapons and that's (along with the ammo) an expensive PITA.

IMO it was well into the 1950's before better submachine guns were made than the Thompson. It was way better than the cheap pieces of crap made with stamped parts that all of the Allies came out with (eg, the Grease gun, the Sten and the one the Rooskies made...forget the name). The Schmeizer was the only thing remotely close in terms of quality....which is really saying something for a gun that was literally on the docks to get shipped over at the end of WWI.

The B.A.R. was THE best light machine gun in the world...easily....during WWI. By WWII the MG 34 was comparable and the MG 42 was clearly better. "Hitler's Buzzsaw" was a big leap forward and the M60 was largely a copy of it.

Congrats, you've got some very cool and historic weapons.

[RepubliGator84]

Luger
Thompson with drum
WWII B.A.R.

Old that is an impressive collection. How did you get a hold of that Thompson?

[zippyzee]

Well let's see: Civil War: Sharps carbine and rifle; Spencer carbine and rifle;Springfield rifled musket,Colt Army and Navy pistols; WWI and earlier: Krag rifle and carbine; '03 Springfield; 1911.45 Auto; WWII; British: Bren Gun semi; Sten SMG; Webley pistol; U.S.: 03A3 Springfield; M-1 Garand; M-1 Carbine; M-1A1 Carbine; M-2 Carbine; M1A1 Grease Gun; Reising SMGs (2); Thompson M-1A1 SMG; 1919A4 belt-fed Browning; Winchester BAR; .45 Auto Remington-Rand; .38 Pistol; 1917a1 Browning water-cooled (semi); German: MP-44; MP-40 (2); MG-34 (2); MG-42 semi.; 98K; G-43; Later: MAC-10 9mm smg; MAC-11 .380 suppressed smg; M-16a1 smg w/ 10" barrel; STG-44 semi .22 cal. (2); PPK Walther .380; and I'm sure I've overlooked a few! All on paper and fully legal. I was a Class-3 dealer years ago and currently hold a C&R license. Note: All weapons are in a very, very secure location. Can you say: "better than an IRA"??

[Gatormb]

1911? Considered the best w/o going custom. This is the gun modified for the FBI. hefty price now at about $2,200. I got lucky 10 years ago.

http://mygunculture.com/2012/07/11/review-springfield-armory-trp-armory-kote-1911-45-acp/

Sorry. Don't know how to post pics.

[HungaryGator]

Well let's see: Civil War: Sharps carbine and rifle; Spencer carbine and rifle;Springfield rifled musket,Colt Army and Navy pistols; WWI and earlier: Krag rifle and carbine; '03 Springfield; 1911.45 Auto; WWII; British: Bren Gun semi; Sten SMG; Webley pistol; U.S.: 03A3 Springfield; M-1 Garand; M-1 Carbine; M-1A1 Carbine; M-2 Carbine; M1A1 Grease Gun; Reising SMGs (2); Thompson M-1A1 SMG; 1919A4 belt-fed Browning; Winchester BAR; .45 Auto Remington-Rand; .38 Pistol; 1917a1 Browning water-cooled (semi); German: MP-44; MP-40 (2); MG-34 (2); MG-42 semi.; 98K; G-43; Later: MAC-10 9mm smg; MAC-11 .380 suppressed smg; M-16a1 smg w/ 10" barrel; STG-44 semi .22 cal. (2); PPK Walther .380; and I'm sure I've overlooked a few! All on paper and fully legal. I was a Class-3 dealer years ago and currently hold a C&R license. Note: All weapons are in a very, very secure location. Can you say: "better than an IRA"??

dang man, you've got enough to equip a small army. I'm envious, LOL!

What....no luger? :laugh:

[SurfinG8or]

Smith & Wesson M&P 9c Tijicon Night Sights.
Bushmaster AR-15 W/ Aimpoint PRO Red Dot.
Walther P22 which is my wifes pistol.

I'll get some photos tomorrow and post them. I plan on adding a Remington 700 in the near future.

[Gatormb]

2507

Smith & Wesson Model 1000 12 guage. At least 42 years old as my dad got it for me for my 16th birthday from a pawn shop in Jax.

1954 Belgium A 5.

1957 Winchester 30-30.

Still working on how to attach evidently.

[HungaryGator]

mb

how to attach pics

just put img in brackets like this [] followed by the url followed by /img also in brackets. It will post your pic....you can just find somebody's post where they've posted a pic and hit "quote" and you'll see exactly how it works. Hope that helps.

for example

Smith & Wesson model 1000 12 gauge
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/03/11/109131_01_smith_and_wesson_model_1000_12_640.jpg

for the 1957 Winchester 30-30....you mean the lever action like this one right?
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4067185844/8310165/dsc01681.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

[zippyzee]

Hungary: Sold the Luger, P-38, PPK,PPSH smg,G41,K43,MG42s,PIAT many years ago!

[HungaryGator]

Hungary: Sold the Luger, P-38, PPK,PPSH smg,G41,K43,MG42s,PIAT many years ago!

You had a freakin' piat gun?...as in the British anti-tank weapon? LOL! Awesome.

The Walther p-38 is cool (many don't realize it was the first double action autopistol - and that it and not the Luger was the standard sidearm of the Wehrmacht in WWII)....but I just prefer the luger. I want a p08 complete with the Nazi proof marks. Those things are just gorgeous. I just went to a gun show yesterday and saw the Japanese luger knockoff they used as their sidearm in WWII. It wasn't bad but the original was still a lot prettier IMO.

I'd eventually like to get a M1 Garand also. Its what I was trained on and marched with in the Navy School I went to (they were given 'em surplus by the Govt. so that's what we had....heavy beyotch to march with and the 30.06 ammo is heavy as hell too). Probablly because of that, no other rifle has ever felt as comfortable to me as the Garand. I don't like the bolts on the Mosin-Nagant and Lee-Enfield. The Mauser k98 is my 2nd choice after the Garand.

[ValdostaGatorFan]

The newest, and newest favorite, Stoeger m3500. 2012 NRA Shotgun of the Year

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh522/Jclif1984/0218131248_zpsae21e117.jpg

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh522/Jclif1984/0218131241a_zpsd4b8daa1.jpg

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh522/Jclif1984/0218131239_zps181e27c8.jpg

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh522/Jclif1984/0218131241_zps437abc36.jpg


:ninja:
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh522/Jclif1984/0218131327c_zpse1af8d32.jpg

for...

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/turkey-in-field.jpg

[The_Graygator]

mb

how to attach pics

just put img in brackets like this [] followed by the url followed by /img also in brackets. It will post your pic....you can just find somebody's post where they've posted a pic and hit "quote" and you'll see exactly how it works. Hope that helps.

for example

Smith & Wesson model 1000 12 gauge
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/03/11/109131_01_smith_and_wesson_model_1000_12_640.jpg

for the 1957 Winchester 30-30....you mean the lever action like this one right?
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4067185844/8310165/dsc01681.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg


I have been coveting a Marlin 30-30 lever-action at Wal-Mart for some time now. If I had the money, I'd get it, but I'm having too much fun with my Ruger .308 bolt-action with scope. :wink:

[The_Graygator]

Was going to start a new thread but just decided to move this one back to the front.

Wearing concealed today as I drive over to Tally for some errands.

Should I go LC-9 9mm or full-out .45 auto 1911?

Decisions, decisions...

[ValdostaGatorFan]

A buddy ordered some Glow-On sight paint a few days ago. The smallest bottle does like 30 sights, I think. He's going to let me use some for my S&W Sigma. I will give my own review on here if anyone is interested..

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pKoKbW9JpxY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[HungaryGator]

Well since this has been brought back up....I've decided against the Lemat reproduction. it looks cool but black powder guns are such a PITA. You can't fire them in a normal gun range because of all the smoke. You have to find an outdoor range the closest one of which is pretty far away.

So instead I've decided to get a CZ 82. They're all steel, well made by all accounts 9mm Makarovs and I think they're sexy little beasts. :) Also, at about $250-$300, they're less than half the cost of the Lemat I was going to get.

CZ 82
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cz821.gif

I've also been doing further research on the type of 1911 I want and have all but decided to go with the Rock Island Tactical which by all accounts are well made (except for the hideous grips which I will immediately replace)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/RIATactical/IMG_1198.jpg

at about $450 vs the $600 I would have spent on the Remington R1, I can then roll the savings on the 1911 and the savings I would have spent on the Lemat and instead get the latest object of my lust.....the Nambu type 14...the official sidearm of the Imperial Japanese Army until 1945. I fondled one at a gun show recently. :)

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/10246/11004120_1.jpg?v=8CE2A3C2FEEC480

They're surprisingly affordable at between $400-700 for a decent example and in addition to being historic weapons....they just look so cool. The Japanese produce some really sexy "products" :laugh:

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/12/64/12/12641246_ori.jpg

[The_Graygator]

Well since this has been brought back up....I've decided against the Lemat reproduction. it looks cool but black powder guns are such a PITA. You can't fire them in a normal gun range because of all the smoke. You have to find an outdoor range the closest one of which is pretty far away.

So instead I've decided to get a CZ 82. They're all steel, well made by all accounts 9mm Makarovs and I think they're sexy little beasts. :) Also, at about $250-$300, they're less than half the cost of the Lemat I was going to get.

CZ 82
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cz821.gif

I've also been doing further research on the type of 1911 I want and have all but decided to go with the Rock Island Tactical which by all accounts are well made (except for the hideous grips which I will immediately replace)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/RIATactical/IMG_1198.jpg

at about $450 vs the $600 I would have spent on the Remington R1, I can then roll the savings on the 1911 and the savings I would have spent on the Lemat and instead get the latest object of my lust.....the Nambu type 14...the official sidearm of the Imperial Japanese Army until 1945. I fondled one at a gun show recently. :)

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/10246/11004120_1.jpg?v=8CE2A3C2FEEC480

They're surprisingly affordable at between $400-700 for a decent example and in addition to being historic weapons....they just look so cool. The Japanese produce some really sexy "products" :laugh:

http://content8.flixster.com/photo/12/64/12/12641246_ori.jpg



My Regent .45 acp has some hard plastic grips that are pretty ugly, but I have a set of black, rubber grip with basic diamond patterns on order for about $11. I have black rubber grips on my Colt 1911-22lr too. Lots of places online you can find good grips with, but the rubber grips are the best for keeping a firm hold on the gun.

[King8r]

Should I go LC-9 9mm or full-out .45 auto 1911?

Decisions, decisions...

When in doubt, always go with the 1911. Though I don't have much room to talk, as I've been toting my Glock 19 for the last couple years.

I've been carrying for 25 years, and probably about 15+ have been some sort of 1911. I seem to always go back to them. In fact, I'm looking for some leather for a SIG 1911 that I just picked up.

[The_Graygator]

When in doubt, always go with the 1911. Though I don't have much room to talk, as I've been toting my Glock 19 for the last couple years.

I've been carrying for 25 years, and probably about 15+ have been some sort of 1911. I seem to always go back to them. In fact, I'm looking for some leather for a SIG 1911 that I just picked up.

Here's a great site...


http://www.theholsterstore.net/Pro_Carry_LT_p/lt.htm

[helix139]

Just sent my P229 DAK off to Sig for some custom shop work. DA/SA conversion with SRT trigger, E2 Enhanced Ergonomic Grip, and TruGlo TFO front sight. Should have it back in less than 2 weeks and will post up pictures after.

Also bought another 1K of .223 this week. Federal AE at $.45/rd. I refuse to pay some of the absurd panic prices that some websites are charging now. This last order will bring my round count for my AR up to around 4K of target/surplus ammo and another 200 or so rounds of defense and varmint ammo. Have another 800 or so rounds of PMC and Lake City XM193 backordered. Also managed to score 300 rounds of Federal AE .40 S&W a couple weeks ago bringing me up to about 500 target rounds of that and around 300 of .357 sig. I've probably got another 200 or so rounds of Hydrashock, Winchester SXT, and Golden Saber defense rounds in .40 and .357. How's everyone else doing ammo-wise these days?

On a side note, anyone taken any weapons manipulation/tactical courses? I'm thinking of signing up for a Costa Ludus carbine employment class in December.

[HungaryGator]

Trying to find ammo right now is INSANE. I went to a gun show a few weeks ago and bought 300 rounds of the cheap Russkie steel cased ammo....all they had left and the first FMJ I'd seen in 9mm this year. I've since cranked off 50 rounds of that but was able to get 250 rounds of Federal 9mm - again all they'd allow me to buy at one time. When I went to check back they were of course sold out. I've since found another place where I can get another 250 rounds of 124 grain FMJ which I'm about to place an order for.

I could get more on gunbroker but they're charging about $.50/round which is absurd. I'm paying about $.33/round and won't go higher than that.

Now 9mm Makarov which I'm also looking for is even harder to find......

Oh and then there's mags for a CZ 82. They're asking $55-60 apiece right now...this is for a gun that was going for about $220 six months ago. Ridiculous. I refuse to pay those prices but it means I'm gonna have to wait and/or do a lot more work to track down the things I want. Most places are simply sold out of pretty much everything except for the $1300-$1500 Kimbers, Desert Eagles, etc.

[helix139]

I haven't had to find any 9mm, but I honestly haven't had a terribly tough time getting bulk quantities of either .40 S&W or .223/5.56. There were a couple of weeks in there where it was tough, but if you monitor gunbot.net and the ammo thread on ar15.com, you should be able to find some within a week or 2 at decent enough prices. I paid about $.37/rd for the .40 and the .223 I've bought since the panic set in was either $.45/rd (1000 rds AE .223 55gr), $.48/rd (1500 rds AMA SS-109 NATO 62gr w/crimped primers), or $.60/rd (500 rds Federal Lake City 55gr XM193). The AMA was purchased from Sportsman's Guide and the rest from Cabelas. The .40 was from Palmetto State Armory. All brass cased clean ammo.

[HungaryGator]

Thanks. I'll check those places. All the places I'd normally check....ie Palmetto State Armory, J&G, Graf & Sons, Natchez Shooters, Aim Surplus, Cheaper than Dirt, lucky gunner, target sports, ammunition to go, midway, and a whole bunch of smaller places I checked are all out. With a few exceptions, the places that have some are wanting absurd prices.

I'm lucky the gun range I go to allows steel cased ammo. Some of them don't and in truth it is dirty and I'd prefer all brass if the price difference isn't too great. Also, my keltec had 3 FTFs using the cheap Russkie ammo which is never supposed to happen. Now I need to figure out if its the ammo or what that caused that so consequently I don't want one or two bulk orders of 1,000. I'd like to keep it to around 250 per type to see what it eats best. Then once I find what that is I'll buy that in bulk.

Now about the Makarov ammo.....

[wygator]

Was going to start a new thread but just decided to move this one back to the front.

Wearing concealed today as I drive over to Tally for some errands.

Should I go LC-9 9mm or full-out .45 auto 1911?

Decisions, decisions...

What are you wearing with it? It's all about accessorizing:)

You don't want to be printing!!!

[King8r]

Thanks. I'll check those places. All the places I'd normally check....ie Palmetto State Armory, J&G, Graf & Sons, Natchez Shooters, Aim Surplus, Cheaper than Dirt, lucky gunner, target sports, ammunition to go, midway, and a whole bunch of smaller places I checked are all out. With a few exceptions, the places that have some are wanting absurd prices.
....

I check out Natchez every morning, and in the last few weeks I've gotten 500 rounds 9mm, and 250 of .45ACP. They have been limiting it to usually 5 boxes per day. I had ordered 200 rds of .223, but then they canceled my order, even though it was apparently in stock when I ordered. So you you have to check them every day.

I've got 500 9mm, and 1K rds of .223 back ordered at Brownells since September, but I did get 500 of 7.62 X 39 Wolff last month from them.

[The_Graygator]

Just sent my P229 DAK off to Sig for some custom shop work. DA/SA conversion with SRT trigger, E2 Enhanced Ergonomic Grip, and TruGlo TFO front sight. Should have it back in less than 2 weeks and will post up pictures after.

Also bought another 1K of .223 this week. Federal AE at $.45/rd. I refuse to pay some of the absurd panic prices that some websites are charging now. This last order will bring my round count for my AR up to around 4K of target/surplus ammo and another 200 or so rounds of defense and varmint ammo. Have another 800 or so rounds of PMC and Lake City XM193 backordered. Also managed to score 300 rounds of Federal AE .40 S&W a couple weeks ago bringing me up to about 500 target rounds of that and around 300 of .357 sig. I've probably got another 200 or so rounds of Hydrashock, Winchester SXT, and Golden Saber defense rounds in .40 and .357. How's everyone else doing ammo-wise these days?

On a side note, anyone taken any weapons manipulation/tactical courses? I'm thinking of signing up for a Costa Ludus carbine employment class in December.



Got plenty of .45, .308, and shot shells, but would like some more .357 and 9mm. I have plenty of .38 Special to supplement my 357, but 9mm FMJ rounds seems to be the hardest to find anywhere.

Gun show comes to Tally again next weekend so I intend stock up some more.

[helix139]

I check out Natchez every morning, and in the last few weeks I've gotten 500 rounds 9mm, and 250 of .45ACP. They have been limiting it to usually 5 boxes per day. I had ordered 200 rds of .223, but then they canceled my order, even though it was apparently in stock when I ordered. So you you have to check them every day.

I've got 500 9mm, and 1K rds of .223 back ordered at Brownells since September, but I did get 500 of 7.62 X 39 Wolff last month from them.

Natchez kills me with their box limits and high shipping charges. It drives the price per round through the roof.

[The_Graygator]

What are you wearing with it? It's all about accessorizing:)

You don't want to be printing!!!

A nice sized hooded Gator sweatshirt. The only problem is that my .45 has a 5 inch barrel and it sticks out about an inch at the bottom, so I'm looking around for the right conceal holster for it.

I have some nice ones, a Fobus and a Bulldog, both RH, but what I'm looking for is a LH inside-the-waistband conceal holster, that way I can draw it with my right hand when it's placed at the small of my back.

[ValdostaGatorFan]

A nice sized hooded Gator sweatshirt. The only problem is that my .45 has a 5 inch barrel and it sticks out about an inch at the bottom, so I'm looking around for the right conceal holster for it.

I have some nice ones, a Fobus and a Bulldog, both RH, but what I'm looking for is a LH inside-the-waistband conceal holster, that way I can draw it with my right hand when it's placed at the small of my back.

I made the mistake of picking up a inside the pants RH holster for behind the back. I should have thought about that instead of cruising by the aisle and picking it up without much thought. Doh.

[The_Graygator]

I made the mistake of picking up a inside the pants RH holster for behind the back. I should have thought about that instead of cruising by the aisle and picking it up without much thought. Doh.

Yeah, you gotta be careful about that.

The thing about a well-made LH IWB holster, is that if you're RH'ed, you can reach back abd grab it correctly with the right hand, and you can even clip it to the outside of your belt on your right hip for a RH'ed grab too.

Got6 one for my LC-9 and it's molded for the Crimson trace laser as well.

[HungaryGator]

Got plenty of .45, .308, and shot shells, but would like some more .357 and 9mm. I have plenty of .38 Special to supplement my 357, but 9mm FMJ rounds seems to be the hardest to find anywhere.

Gun show comes to Tally again next weekend so I intend stock up some more.

Preach on Brutha! I've bought about 600 rounds in the last month or so but I've really had to search hard....because I am NOT paying $.50/round which is the price you are seeing for ammo on gunbroker. That is just ridiculous. I refuse to pay more than about $.33/round.

Gun show comes next weekend. I'll go and see if I can find more of the dirty steel cased Russkie ammo. Not as nice as brass but I got some at just $12 per 50 round box a few weeks ago and at least one gun range here allows steel cased ammo so.....

9mm Makarov ain't easy to find either which you'd think is a problem they could solve easier since that ammo is more common in Eastern Europe. Just go there and buy up their stuff. Dude at the local gun store said he talked to one of the really big suppliers who told him they were producing...get this 14 MILLION rounds of .22 cal/day and that STILL isn't enough. He said the company is "on a war footing"...as in cranking out ammo as fast as they would if it were WWIII...ie as fast as they possibly can running extra shifts, etc.

[wygator]

The local Sportsman's Warehouse gets its weekly ammo shipment at 3pm on Wednesdays. You can stand in line and get first shot at whatever came in. 1 bulk box of each type ammo up to three different types.. Picked up 500 rounds of 22LR and 250 of 9mm FMJ last week, with no shipping charges. $22 for the 22 and $70 for the 9mm.

You might check with your local sporting goods dealers to see if they do something similar.

[PIMking]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/PIMking/03612AFF-5F4F-484F-BDCA-725436B0A377-999-000000AEFEA41708.jpg

which one is factory?

[HungaryGator]

Just picked up the CZ82 and 100 rounds of 8mm Makarov. She's a beauty. Man that trigger is sweet. Rounding up ammo is my ongoing task. Next up will be getting a 1911.

[HungaryGator]

TOUCHDOWN! I was able to find 5 boxes of Makarov ammo for a reasonable non-panic-level price. WOOHOOO!!!

sad I know, but that's what its come to.

[The_Graygator]

Gun & Knife show in Tally at the fairgrounds on South Monroe this Saturday, and there will be Concealed Weapons courses there as well.

Bring your Obama drone scrambler kit too... :wink:

[helix139]

Got my p229 back from Sig today. DAK to DA/SA conversion w/ short reset trigger, E2 grips, and TFO front sight installed. Can't wait to shoot it!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8537414445_15da4e34a0_z.jpg

[HungaryGator]

Got my p229 back from Sig today. DAK to DA/SA conversion w/ short reset trigger, E2 grips, and TFO front sight installed. Can't wait to shoot it!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8537414445_15da4e34a0_z.jpg

She's a beauty.

I'm happy because I've been able to find 10 boxes of 9mm makarov at reasonable prices and today I even found two mags at reasonable prices. Its out there but you really have to look hard and be patient.

[GolphinGator]

Come out to the house and I will help you break it in. :)

A good place to find magazines is ebay believe it or not.

[helix139]

Come out to the house and I will help you break it in. :)

A good place to find magazines is ebay believe it or not.

I broke it in myself tonight with a single round of Winchester supreme elite .40 right behind the eye of a 6'6" gator that had recently killed a calf down near the Avon Park bombing range. Needless to say, it wasn't doing much of anything after that! Dang thing had buried itself so deep in the muck after one of my buddies hooked it that it took us almost an hour to get it to the surface. Pretty successful evening, though, as a friend of mine also went home with a hog.

[rstonegator]

Springfield Armory XD40 is my favorite CCW

[HungaryGator]

well...now have everything but my quota of 9mm fmj which I refuse to pay more than a reasonable price (ie $0.33/round) for. Still need 6 more boxes and then I'll be satisfied with my ammo supply. Couldn't even find any reasonably priced 9mm at a gunshow today. ugh.

[GolphinGator]

Another gun show in Ocala next weekend at the Ramada on 27. Not hoping for much though as the one at the Armory a couple of weeks ago everything was way overpriced. People were selling 22lr for $85. for 500 rounds. All the guns were over priced. I didn't see anyone buying either and that's good.

[The_Graygator]

OMG I wanted that Baretta Px4 Storm 9mm I saw at the Gun Show today. Been wanting one since I was able to fire off some rounds from a friend's Px4. Nice, nice weapon and extremely easy to break down and clean too. SA/DA pistol because of a de-cock feature which makes it absolutely one of the best personal carry holster pistols (much like an M92 as well).

Incredible story though. 22LR is going like hotcakes at the gun shows because people use so many of them for target practice and hang onto their larger caliber ammo. They sold out of 22LR in the first 45 minutes, and in the other building, there were these other vendors trying to sell off their's at outright insulting high prices, one guy selling a 250 round brick for $140!

There was one table I thought I saw $30 a brick and I told the guy I'd take one, and then he told me $80. I lloked at the price closer and it was $80, just written unclearly. I put it back down and then told him I'd pay him $80 for two bricks, but that was my offer and he turned it down. I just had to tell him "no offense, but you're not going to sell your ammo with prices like that. Good luck and all".

Amazingly enough, all that 22LR just sat on those tables. I don't know what those people were hoping for but they are't going to get enough sales of their ammo at that price to make a profit off of it, and something tells me they're dumb enough not to drop their prices at the last minute either.

[The_Graygator]

well...now have everything but my quota of 9mm fmj which I refuse to pay more than a reasonable price (ie $0.33/round) for. Still need 6 more boxes and then I'll be satisfied with my ammo supply. Couldn't even find any reasonably priced 9mm at a gunshow today. ugh.

I bought a $27 dollar bag of 50 9mm jhp today at the gun show, and a $31 bag of .357 bullets. They actually had metal ammo cases of 500 jhp 9mm's for $140 (which is less than .33 a bullet I think), and you got a sizeable metal ammo case with it too.

Your best bet is to hope your local Wal-Mart gets a shipment if you're looking for lower prices, which is around $22 for 50 rounds.

[HungaryGator]

I'm with you fellers. I saw several boxes of 9mm today but the cheapest anybody had it for was $25 for a 50 round box. I'm simply not paying that. 3 rounds per dollar is my line in the sand. If I can't find them for that then I just won't buy. I was gratified to see a lot of it just sitting there unbought all day. Then again, people are getting those prices on gunbroker so obviously some people are desperate/foolish enough to pay those prices.

I wonder how long it will take for suppliers to catch up for 9mm FMJ. I'm amazed the shortage is that acute since its a popular round worldwide and it'd be easy enough to go overseas and buy up their stuff to plug the gap....

[The_Graygator]

Another gun show in Ocala next weekend at the Ramada on 27. Not hoping for much though as the one at the Armory a couple of weeks ago everything was way overpriced. People were selling 22lr for $85. for 500 rounds. All the guns were over priced. I didn't see anyone buying either and that's good.

One dealer last month was selling his 22LR for $30 a 500 round brick at the gun show. You got to get there early and first for the guys who are just selling mostly ammo and nothing else, but once they're sold out, you only have the other vendors who will gouge you.

[The_Graygator]

I'm with you fellers. I saw several boxes of 9mm today but the cheapest anybody had it for was $25 for a 50 round box. I'm simply not paying that. 3 rounds per dollar is my line in the sand. If I can't find them for that then I just won't buy. I was gratified to see a lot of it just sitting there unbought all day. Then again, people are getting those prices on gunbroker so obviously some people are desperate/foolish enough to pay those prices.

I wonder how long it will take for suppliers to catch up for 9mm FMJ. I'm amazed the shortage is that acute since its a popular round worldwide and it'd be easy enough to go overseas and buy up their stuff to plug the gap....


That's not really expensive. 50 round 9mm boxes cost just a few dollars less than that at a local wal-mart before all this gun scare started.

[HungaryGator]

That's not really expensive. 50 round 9mm boxes cost just a few dollars less than that at a local wal-mart before all this gun scare started.

about a month and a half ago I bought 6 boxes of steel cased Russkie 9mm for $12/50 round box. Now steel cased is not worth as much to me since you can't use it at indoor gun ranges (fire hazard) but still....that was more than 4 rounds per dollar.

My local gun store for the last few weeks had Blazer brass 9mm FMJ for $16/50 round box though there was a 2 box limit per customer per trip. I got 4 boxes of that before they ran out (hopefully they'll get more in stock soon) I was also able to buy a few boxes of Sellier & Bellot from Natchez for just under 3 rounds per dollar a few weeks ago.

$0.25-$0.33/per round can be found but you have to look hard and be patient. The extra say $10/box I'd have to pay for the 6 more boxes I want isn't going to break me....it just ticks me off. I ain't payin' it.

[The_Graygator]

I buy strictly remington or winchester myself.

[1993R]

My local academy gets ammo Monday Wednesday and Friday
No problem getting some rounds
Buying mostly Winchester 100 round packs at $36
40 SW
Walmart managers in some parts of Atlanta are only selling ammo to employees for fear of customer frenzy
One of my employees father is a department manager and he told her that. Waiting for him to score me a bulk 223 box

[Swamplizard]

If anyone is interested I came upon another TAR-15 it's never been fired pm me if you are looking for one at a reasonable price

[helix139]

My local academy gets ammo Monday Wednesday and Friday
No problem getting some rounds
Buying mostly Winchester 100 round packs at $36
40 SW
Walmart managers in some parts of Atlanta are only selling ammo to employees for fear of customer frenzy
One of my employees father is a department manager and he told her that. Waiting for him to score me a bulk 223 box

My local walmart hasn't been getting in anything but 20 round .223 boxes and 50 round handgun boxes and has a 3 box per person per day limit. It's hardly worth it when it won't even make a dent in my ammo supply.

[HungaryGator]

My local walmart hasn't been getting in anything but 20 round .223 boxes and 50 round handgun boxes and has a 3 box per person per day limit. It's hardly worth it when it won't even make a dent in my ammo supply.

Hell, I'll GLADLY take three 50 round boxes per day of 9mm FMJ. I don't have a stockpile of 20,000 rounds and am complaining because I don't have 30,000 rounds. I'd just like to get to say, 20 boxes per type of ammo. That way I could be reasonably sure I could go to the range a few times per month for a few months. Its like pulling teeth to even get up to that level though if you're not willing to pay absurd prices.

[The_Graygator]

I'm sort of kickng myself for not buying that 500 round steel box of 9mm at the gun show for $140. It was actually a good deal.

[The_Graygator]

Just btw, if anyone comes across a website or gun dealer who has any Colt Government 22LR 12 round magazines clips in stock (they are stainless steel and made in Germany), post it here or PM me. I would like two of them asap.

[HungaryGator]

Just btw, if anyone comes across a website or gun dealer who has any Colt Government 22LR 12 round magazines clips in stock (they are stainless steel and made in Germany), post it here or PM me. I would like two of them asap.

The best I can do for ya is this

COLT ACE/CONVERSION, .22LR, 10 RD MAGAZINE OR GRIPS
http://www.triplek.com/Products/id/38/grp/412/manuf/C/

I can't find 12 rd mags for it. I searched Armslist, Gunbroker and GunsAmerica but couldn't find any mags at those places.

[helix139]

Hell, I'll GLADLY take three 50 round boxes per day of 9mm FMJ. I don't have a stockpile of 20,000 rounds and am complaining because I don't have 30,000 rounds. I'd just like to get to say, 20 boxes per type of ammo. That way I could be reasonably sure I could go to the range a few times per month for a few months. Its like pulling teeth to even get up to that level though if you're not willing to pay absurd prices.

I dont have anywhere near that amount of ammo. Prior to sandy hook i had 250 rounds of .40s&w and about 1000 rounds of .223/5.56. I have had little trouble buying 800 rounds of .40s&w target ammo and 3500 rounds of .223/5.56 brass case at very reasonable pricing even during this panic. I bought most of it from Cabela's website. I've seen 9mm available at pre-panic prices several times this week. Check out gunbot.net and the ammo availability thread on arfcom.

[HungaryGator]

I dont have anywhere near that amount of ammo. Prior to sandy hook i had 250 rounds of .40s&w and about 1000 rounds of .223/5.56. I have had little trouble buying 800 rounds of .40s&w target ammo and 3500 rounds of .223/5.56 brass case at very reasonable pricing even during this panic. I bought most of it from Cabela's website. I've seen 9mm available at pre-panic prices several times this week. Check out gunbot.net and the ammo availability thread on arfcom.

Thanks I'll check those places. I haven't had any luck at all checking gunbot. For example, the cheapest price I see right now is $0.78/round which is well over twice what I am willing to pay...just ridiculous.

[HungaryGator]

Just checked over 20 places online. Nothing again.

[The_Graygator]

It's truly incredible how many sites have nothing because of Obama's ammo/gun scare.

It's gotten to where it's almost impossible to find the ammo you want near home too, because now, there are hoarders who have the truck delivery times memorized and work in small teams to hit the stores as soon as their stock hit the shelves and they buy them out.

Happens at my Wal-Mart in Quincy here as well as several others in Tally. This same group of about eight or nine guys go to these several stores and are there waiting after a truck comes in to buy the ammo right off the cart before it even reaches the shelf.

It's infuritating IMO.

[The_Graygator]

The best I can do for ya is this

COLT ACE/CONVERSION, .22LR, 10 RD MAGAZINE OR GRIPS
http://www.triplek.com/Products/id/38/grp/412/manuf/C/

I can't find 12 rd mags for it. I searched Armslist, Gunbroker and GunsAmerica but couldn't find any mags at those places.

WOW! $48?!

Think I'll have to hold off on that one. Anyway, I'm looking for a 12 round mag. Thanks for the effort though.

[GolphinGator]

WOW! $48?!

Think I'll have to hold off on that one. Anyway, I'm looking for a 12 round mag. Thanks for the effort though.

Check ebay for magazines. They have a good selection at good prices most days. Ebay is all about no gun sales, but you can find a good selection of accessories there.

[The_Graygator]

I amazingly found some 9mm FMJ's at Kevins Sports and Hunting Goods in Tally today, and the price wasn't bad at $24.99 a 50 round box.

[HungaryGator]

I amazingly found some 9mm FMJ's at Kevins Sports and Hunting Goods in Tally today, and the price wasn't bad at $24.99 a 50 round box.

$0.50/round is "not bad"? You can find it on Gunbroker anytime you want at that price.

[The_Graygator]

$0.50/round is "not bad"? You can find it on Gunbroker anytime you want at that price.

Considering the price mark-ups and then having to pay S&H? I just walked into Kevin's and bought this. $24.99 isn't that much when you consider how scarce 9mm fmj has become, just like 22 LR.

Now, if I could find some way to manage enough for that new Beretta 9mm Px4 Storm pistol. lol

[flg8rfan]

Just picked up a Mossberg 500 12 guage tactical shotgun. I'm sure the gun purists look down on things like that, but I love the look of it. Also have a Glock 17, Charter Arms 38 Specal revolver, S&W 357 Magnum revolver 1944 era 03-A3, old school double-barrel shotgun, Remington .270, and a trusty Nerf Tommy Gun ;-)

[The_Graygator]

Those 12 ga.'s are pretty powerful street cannons. I have a pistol grip Mossberg 20 ga riot gun, but it is for interior defense. The 20 ga. only has about half the kick and flash/bang of a 12 ga when used indoors.

A 12 ga. is more suited to extreior property defense with sheer brute force stopping power. I have a regular 12 ga. Mossberg 500 pump for that, and a 16 ga. Mossberg pump as well.

Of course, despite that moron Joe Biden's advice about "firing a shotgun at the door", use mostly bird and smaller game shot inside, and have a plan from where and how you will defend your home's interior and your exterior property.

If you live in a residential area, especially with closely spaced houses, I would not use a slug. 00 buck in a smaller gauge might come in handy in the right situations.

Plan ahead.

[HungaryGator]

Ho hum. Another day another hour wasted unable to find 9mm FMJ at an even remotely reasonable price.

I anticipate it will be several more months before I am able to buy the FOUR FREAKING BOXES I want. smh. I still have to wonder why suppliers have not gone on the world market and bought up foreign supplies. 9mm is an extremely common round worldwide....yet you cannot find it for anything other than completely outrageous prices in the US as has been the case for months now.

[The_Graygator]

Ho hum. Another day another hour wasted unable to find 9mm FMJ at an even remotely reasonable price.

I anticipate it will be several more months before I am able to buy the FOUR FREAKING BOXES I want. smh. I still have to wonder why suppliers have not gone on the world market and bought up foreign supplies. 9mm is an extremely common round worldwide....yet you cannot find it for anything other than completely outrageous prices in the US as has been the case for months now.


Unfortunately, about $25 a 50 round box is the average right now. When it's in high demand, the price goes up.

[HungaryGator]

Unfortunately, about $25 a 50 round box is the average right now. When it's in high demand, the price goes up.

I for one am making a note of who is not price gouging right now. They can count on my business in the future. Midway is one that has earned good marks with me. One of the local gun stores has as well while another one.....I won't be buying anything from them.

[anstro76]

even jerry liked to play with guns

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/anstro76/Facebook/Timeline%20Photos/338553_4424807741262_901645393_o.jpg

[HungaryGator]

Yee. Haw.

2 months, countless hours online, at least a dozen trips to various gun stores and I FINALLY got the very modest amount of 9mm ammo I set out to get....a task that should have taken me approximately 10 minutes. Total.

I love Wal-Mart. 3 boxes of 100 rounds of Winchester 9mm FMJ for about $26/box.

[King8r]

My new .45, SIG Scorpion Carry. Going back to 1911 carry for awhile.

[HungaryGator]

Nice sig. Here is a great video I just saw on 3D printed guns. Incredible! Yes....you can print out lower receivers and mags (all except for the springs which you can easily get). All the parts you can't just print out, you can easily buy.....this pretty much renders gun control/registration impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

[King8r]

Many "anti's" freak out when they see this, saying, "People can make their own guns!"

Well, it's perfectly legal to make your own firearm, from scratch if you have the tools and skills, as long as you don't sell or distribute it.

[King8r]

Forgot to mention, I'm a part-time FFL in SW Florida. If any GC members need any firearm assistance, I will be glad to help.

[The_Graygator]

My new .45, SIG Scorpion Carry. Going back to 1911 carry for awhile.


Try to avoid a 5" barrel if you can for CC, especially for OWB paddle holsters, not unless you're going IWB (I have an IWB holster that will accommodate both my .45 and Beretta Px4 Storm). I'd like to have a .45 acp with a 3.5" or 4" barrel, and am looking at some of the Springfield XD compact models and a Rock River Arms 3.5" barreled .45. Ruger also has a new SR45 out that I'd like to take a look at too.

Any gun owner should have a .45 acp in their collection and be well-fielded in using it too. Awesome firepower, smooth platform, good for women to use (not much kick at all even from a full-sized .45), and many, many different models to choose from.

Just a heads up on .45's though. They use big ammunition and can be a little fussy sometimes if you don't keep the feed ramps and barrel bores polished. Whenever you get a new or used .45 (or any semi-auto for that matter), break it down first and polish the feed ramp well and clean the weapon and you should get lots of enjoyment out of it.

[HungaryGator]

Speaking of 1911's....I am leaning heavily toward a Remington R1 though the Rock Island tactical has made me think as well. Both get good reviews very consistently as I read up on them. I'm not looking for a safe queen like a Kimber and I read to many negative reviews of the Paras to consider them anymore.

Do any of y'all have any strong opinions on $500-$700 1911's?

[The_Graygator]

Speaking of 1911's....I am leaning heavily toward a Remington R1 though the Rock Island tactical has made me think as well. Both get good reviews very consistently as I read up on them. I'm not looking for a safe queen like a Kimber and I read to many negative reviews of the Paras to consider them anymore.

Do any of y'all have any strong opinions on $500-$700 1911's?


IMO, KImbers are not a practical CCW. They are tightly built platforms and will jam with the slightest bit of grit in them. Many Kimbers are fine competition pistols, but I just wouldn't have one as a CCW.

Rock River Arms uses Colt molds much like Taurus and Rossi use S&W machine molds, so they're a quality-built weapon.

I bought my refurbished Regent for just under $400, and usual retail is about $600. There are plenty of quality 1911's for under $800 out there. A lot of them add a lot bigger price on them when you add the names Colt, S&W, and a few others.

The difference is customization on the platform. Any quality 1911 for about $500 - $700 is usually a no-frills basic version and then you're paying more and more money for more bells and whistles.

I know the Remington R1 you're talking about and as far as I'm concerned, you can't go wrong with that either.

[1993R]

Yep i have been thinking about an R1 too. Just picked up an AR for a really good deal. Now I'm ordering stuff to modify it.

[helix139]

Yep i have been thinking about an R1 too. Just picked up an AR for a really good deal. Now I'm ordering stuff to modify it.

Nice! If I might recommend a few upgrades based on experience:

Magpul AFG (stay away from vertical grips and start shooting with the thumb of your offside hand forward and aligned with the bore)
Magpul BAD lever
Magpul ASAP plate
Magpul MS3 sling
Magpul MBUS front and rear BUIS
Aimpoint T1, Aimpoint Pro, or Eotech EXPS (I run the EXPS3-4 and a magnifier)
Magpul MOE or CTR stock
Ergo grip
HSP Inforce WML w/ thorntail offset mount
Geissele SSA or SD-C trigger
Geissele Modular rail or Spike's SAR or BAR (definitely go free floated so that accessories don't shift POI). I prefer at least 12" on the rail and a Geissele or Spikes micro gas block. Alternatively if you have. fSB you can take a Dremel to it
Surefire SOCOM brake if you think you might want to go suppressed in the future, otherwise BCMGUNFIGHTER comp is good too

[King8r]

Thanks for the input Gray, I've been shooting and carrying 1911's for some time. I carried a full-size, Colt Combat Elite, when I first got my CWP. Since then I've carried an Ed Brown Kobra Carry,
Para Ordnance P12 and P13, and a Les Baer Thunder Ranch. All OWB, just have to dress appropriately, and buy some real good leather.

A really good gun belt is the foundation to a reliable and comfortable carry package. I go nuts when I see somebody buy a $700 pistol and put it on a $50 holster/belt combo. :(

[The_Graygator]

Thanks for the input Gray, I've been shooting and carrying 1911's for some time. I carried a full-size, Colt Combat Elite, when I first got my CWP. Since then I've carried an Ed Brown Kobra Carry,
Para Ordnance P12 and P13, and a Les Baer Thunder Ranch. All OWB, just have to dress appropriately, and buy some real good leather.

A really good gun belt is the foundation to a reliable and comfortable carry package. I go nuts when I see somebody buy a $700 pistol and put it on a $50 holster/belt combo. :(

I keep a couple of cheap holsters for emergency use, but like to go with Fobus paddle holsters. Great hold even with a dress belt because they grip the pants too. I like the one I have for my Beretta Px4 Storm too. I'll occasionally use a belt slide holster from Blackhawk! because they're ambidextrious and can be IWB or OWB.

One thing about 5" barrels on 1911's though is that you get the best accuracy and least amount of kick, which is minimum at best.

Always thought that when it comes to semi-auto pistols, the 1911 .45 acp was the 12 gauge shotgun of home defense SA pistols.

Overall, I always have my .45 and my Ruger ,357 Magnum revolver with 6" barrel loaded for quick home defense. Both are nearly equal in pure striking power, with the .357 coming out on top. :wink:

[GatorBen]

I'd like to have a .45 acp with a 3.5" or 4" barrel, and am looking at some of the Springfield XD compact models and a Rock River Arms 3.5" barreled .45. Ruger also has a new SR45 out that I'd like to take a look at too.

I carry a Springfield XDs in .45. If you don't mind only having the 5+1 capacity and can find one at a reasonable price (a challenge right now, although GrabAGun.com has them pretty regularly at 534 for the black one and SportsmansOutdoorSuperstore.com occasionally has the black at like 510, both of which are good) they are a phenomenal gun. If looking at the bigger double stack ones, I like the XD-M line more than standard XD. Whichever way, however, I can't recommend them highly enough. The only downside would be if being made in Croatia is a dealbreaker for you.

[King8r]

I've used a few paddle holsters, Desantis and a Serpa for my Glock. I haven't used a Fobus, but I remember hearing there were issues once of the holster shearing from the paddle during a gun grab. Might want to check it out, I heard it on the Internet so it must be true. ;)

I haven't used Kydex in awhile, but I'm thinking about trying a Blade-Tech for my SIG. But I'm an old guy and I just love the smell of leather. :D

[helix139]

I've used a few paddle holsters, Desantis and a Serpa for my Glock. I haven't used a Fobus, but I remember hearing there were issues once of the holster shearing from the paddle during a gun grab. Might want to check it out, I heard it on the Internet so it must be true. ;)

I haven't used Kydex in awhile, but I'm thinking about trying a Blade-Tech for my SIG. But I'm an old guy and I just love the smell of leather. :D

Check out Raven Concealment. You can run their holsters IWB or OWB and they have a TON of attachment options. If you're going OWB, they can't be beat. The only downside is the cost (about $100) a 16-18 week lead time. I have one of their Phantom holsters on order for my P229.

The G-Code/HSP Incog holsters are supposed to be great for IWB, especially if you want to do AIWB, but they only make those for a limited number of guns right now. If you want to carry IWB and they make one for your gun, I would say for with one of those.

Panther Concealment also makes a good Kydex OWB but they aren't as customizeable as Raven. They're in Florida and have about a 6 week lead time. I have one for my P239 and it holds it really tight to my body and is still pretty much invisible under a t-shirt at 3 or 4 o'clock with a 15 degree cant.

[The_Graygator]

I carry a Springfield XDs in .45. If you don't mind only having the 5+1 capacity and can find one at a reasonable price (a challenge right now, although GrabAGun.com has them pretty regularly at 534 for the black one and SportsmansOutdoorSuperstore.com occasionally has the black at like 510, both of which are good) they are a phenomenal gun. If looking at the bigger double stack ones, I like the XD-M line more than standard XD. Whichever way, however, I can't recommend them highly enough. The only downside would be if being made in Croatia is a dealbreaker for you.

I've seen a number of advertisements for those XD's. I really like those guns and would like to check one out. They had mag extensions from most I've seen, and several different sized models of the XD. I would prefer not a micro pistol, but just a small conceal, with a 7 - 8 round mag.

[HungaryGator]

I've seen a number of advertisements for those XD's. I really like those guns and would like to check one out. They had mag extensions from most I've seen, and several different sized models of the XD. I would prefer not a micro pistol, but just a small conceal, with a 7 - 8 round mag.

I haven't taken the class yet so I don't concealed carry but....my Keltec P11 fits very conveniently in a jacket pocket. You could get by without a holster with it. If you wear a shirt untucked, you could just stuff it into your pants pocket and nobody would know you had it...and at either 10 or 12 shots depending on the mag and 9mm instead of a pea shooter, its great for that purpose. That's a lot of firepower in a small package. Its reasonably accurate too. The only downsides are that the trigger has a long pull and you really have to make sure you don't limpwrist it or you can get FTFs....that's unavoidable with a lightweight compact though. A hammerless revolver would be more reliable but you'd also only get about half the shots.

[King8r]

Hungary,
I like the P-11, had one of the first ones that came out, it has a long pull due to the low mass-high velocity hammer that it utilizes, it's still a pretty light pull for a DAO. You be the judge, but I've always been leery of using a pocket pistol without a holster. Besides protecting the trigger, a pocket holster will also break up the pattern of your pistol so it doesn't print, and also help maintain the position of the pistol in your pocket so it's in the the same place each time you reach for it.


Since this is a porn thread, here's my pocket pistol, a Kimber Solo CDP with custom grips. :D

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z476/KingG8r/P4010328.jpg

[HungaryGator]

Nice! :)

I definitely would use a holster for the reasons you outlined. I'm just saying you can go without one for the Keltec since its so small.

Next up on my wish list is:
A Saiga AK-47
A Remington R1 1911
A Cz-75 (the full size all metal B or BD, not the P01 or P07)

[FLIPCUP]

Rohrbaugh R9 is a favorite back up/pocket carry.

[Strikepackagegator]

I carry a Springfield XDs in .45. If you don't mind only having the 5+1 capacity and can find one at a reasonable price (a challenge right now, although GrabAGun.com has them pretty regularly at 534 for the black one and SportsmansOutdoorSuperstore.com occasionally has the black at like 510, both of which are good) they are a phenomenal gun. If looking at the bigger double stack ones, I like the XD-M line more than standard XD. Whichever way, however, I can't recommend them highly enough. The only downside would be if being made in Croatia is a dealbreaker for you.

Ben. I received the SA XD-9 Sub from my wife for Christmas for another CC weapon. I fricken' love the feel of the little beast. I was carrying my H&K USP .40 for CC but wanted something smaller. I am thinking of asking Mama for the XDs 45 and was wondering if it is heavy relative to other 45 ACP's? Thanks!

[1993R]

Well,
Since this is MP Sport I want to try and keep it pretty light. Went ahead and ordered a Daniel Defense Carbine Rail, Magpul AR Grip Plus. Got a Primary Arms Red Dot just for kicking around about a week ago. Already came with a Magpul MBUS rear sight. Will probably go for the AFG, MOE Stock and Sling eventually depending on weight etc..Will order a real good optic in the fall. Stocking up on some Mags and Ammo for the next few months. Been getting some good prices lately on everything I need.
Nice! If I might recommend a few upgrades based on experience:

Magpul AFG (stay away from vertical grips and start shooting with the thumb of your offside hand forward and aligned with the bore)
Magpul BAD lever
Magpul ASAP plate
Magpul MS3 sling
Magpul MBUS front and rear BUIS
Aimpoint T1, Aimpoint Pro, or Eotech EXPS (I run the EXPS3-4 and a magnifier)
Magpul MOE or CTR stock
Ergo grip
HSP Inforce WML w/ thorntail offset mount
Geissele SSA or SD-C trigger
Geissele Modular rail or Spike's SAR or BAR (definitely go free floated so that accessories don't shift POI). I prefer at least 12" on the rail and a Geissele or Spikes micro gas block. Alternatively if you have. fSB you can take a Dremel to it
Surefire SOCOM brake if you think you might want to go suppressed in the future, otherwise BCMGUNFIGHTER comp is good too

[The_Graygator]

I'd love another small conceal carry weapon. I'm hoping to get a look at a Beretta Nano this weekend and see if I like it.

[helix139]

Installed a few mods (Magpul AFG2, Magpul ASAP, BAD ASS ambi selector, Geissele SD-C, Surefire SOCOM brake, BCM charging handle) on my Spike's midlength over the last couple weeks and figured I'd post it up. Next on the list: Surefire SOCOM suppressor
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8661992190_f3a78303a5_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8660890589_bf80c02b35_c.jpg

[The_Graygator]

Finally inspected a Nano today. It's got me thinking. :wink:

[gator7_5]

Picked up this little beauty for my sister, who just finished her gun safety course. It's going to be really hard handing it over.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/bighoos/image_zps119300bf.jpeg

[gator7_5]

Installed a few mods (Magpul AFG2, Magpul ASAP, BAD ASS ambi selector, Geissele SD-C, Surefire SOCOM brake, BCM charging handle) on my Spike's midlength over the last couple weeks and figured I'd post it up. Next on the list: Surefire SOCOM suppressor
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8661992190_f3a78303a5_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8660890589_bf80c02b35_c.jpg

That's bad f'n ass.

[The_Graygator]

Picked up this little beauty for my sister, who just finished her gun safety course. It's going to be really hard handing it over.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/bighoos/image_zps119300bf.jpeg


Very nice. Nothing like a revolver as a starter pistol. I can't tell on the pic, but is that a .38 or .357? I see the under-barrel weight on it though. Cuts way down on barrel lift after firing.

I'm looking for another concealed carry pistol to go along with my Ruger LC-9. Looked at a Beretta Nano, but I'm not sure about that one. There's a small, 3" barreled of the Px4 Beretta storm (I have the full sized model and it's great), and I handled one at the Tally Gun Show this past weekend, but when I came back to look at it again it was bought. :angry:

But I'd like to really get a good look at a Springfield XD-S .45 cal before I commit to another conceal carry pistol. Just looking over my options.

[helix139]

That's bad f'n ass.

Thanks! How about this 870 Express Tactical Magpul I picked up at a gun show a couple of weeks ago...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8557/8696589981_d1e161ab34_c.jpg
I added the HSP Inforce WML, Aimpoint PRO, Magpul sling adapter, Brownells red aluminum follower, TruGlo red fiber front sight, and Vangcomp big dome safety

[gator7_5]

Very nice. Nothing like a revolver as a starter pistol. I can't tell on the pic, but is that a .38 or .357? I see the under-barrel weight on it though. Cuts way down on barrel lift after firing.

I'm looking for another concealed carry pistol to go along with my Ruger LC-9. Looked at a Beretta Nano, but I'm not sure about that one. There's a small, 3" barreled of the Px4 Beretta storm (I have the full sized model and it's great), and I handled one at the Tally Gun Show this past weekend, but when I came back to look at it again it was bought. :angry:

But I'd like to really get a good look at a Springfield XD-S .45 cal before I commit to another conceal carry pistol. Just looking over my options.

Ruger GP100. .357 but shoots .38 sp as well. The guy put a good amount of upgrades on it (trigger work, glow sites, customized grip). 2 yrs old and paid 100 under new. Threw in 2 holsters and three speedloaders as well.

Fine first gun. Everything I've read about it says it's a tackdriver.

[The_Graygator]

Ruger GP100. .357 but shoots .38 sp as well. The guy put a good amount of upgrades on it (trigger work, glow sites, customized grip). 2 yrs old and paid 100 under new. Threw in 2 holsters and three speedloaders as well.

Fine first gun. Everything I've read about it says it's a tackdriver.

I thought it was a .357. :wink: I have a Ruger GP 100 with a 6" barrel and it's stainless steel. Great gun, lots of power, and fun to shoot.

[gnvgator]

http://youtu.be/Jr5Vdk5hjkc:laugh:

[gatorz]

Great thread!
I recently purchased an AR 15 assault rifle from the company that used to be Bushmaster.
Can anyone here give me some idea of alternative sights to put on this puppy.

It currently has the old A2 style iron sights although the rear sight and carrying handle are removable.

Thank you for any help you guys provide.

[wygator]

Just put this Colt M-4 on layaway.

Any suggestions for tricking it out?

http://www.waltherarms.com/resources/images/slider/products/m4ops/specs.jpg

[1993R]

I would check out a company called Primary Arms

I have bought some stuff from them lately for my AR
Good prices and service

I would like to have a Daniel Defense but my M&P is shooting great.
Just bought a colt 1911 government model 80 lightweight
Really like it and shoots great

[King8r]

Just put this Colt M-4 on layaway.

Any suggestions for tricking it out?



You've already got a rail and sights. I'd get a better stock, such as Magpul (pay a little extra and get one that locks) a new grip (Magpul, Ergogrip, Hogue or others) a good red dot like a Eotech or Aimpoint. Maybe a light, surefire, streamlight and others.

Everything else is optional, folding sights, sling (Vickers), laser, foregrip, etc.....

[helix139]

Just put this Colt M-4 on layaway.

Any suggestions for tricking it out?

http://www.waltherarms.com/resources/images/slider/products/m4ops/specs.jpg

What exactly do you want to do with it? First thing on your list should regardless be a Geissele trigger. Expensive but so worth it. Next, put on some decent optics. Eotech XPS, or EXPS or Aimpoint PRO or Micro H1 or T1, IMO. A light is also a good idea if you would like to be able to use it for home defense or at night. I run the Haley Strategic Partners Inforce WML on a thorntail mount. I'd also add a sling, Magpul's BAD lever, and an ambidextrous safety selector. A Bravo Company charging handle is also a good idea, and keep around one of their bolt refurbishment kits with the spare extractor, spring, and gas rings. You also can't go wrong with a Magpul stock. Either the MOE or CBR are very popular, light, and reliable.

I'd also get rid of the FSB or chop it down and put on a longer rail along with a handstop or angled foregrip, as I like the extra real estate to grip onto.

[helix139]

On a side note, I had my first experience with a full automatic and with tannerite today. Holy crap it was awesome! I was out shooting at a private range with some friends when a gentleman staying at the site heard us shooting and mentioned that he had a couple of full autos. Naturally, we told him to join us! I got a chance to run a magazine full through his SBR registered M4 and boy was that a blast! I see now why they call it the happy switch! We were shooting at a Zombie Industries bleeding zombie target that I had picked up and after we had almost demolished it, we stuck a container of tannerite in the back of its head and I got to blow it up with my AR. Talk about a fun day of shooting!

[wygator]

Thanks all for the great ideas!!!

[gator7_5]

Is there a downside of aluminum casings other than that you can't reload them? I bought some blazers because they were so cheap.

[helix139]

Is there a downside of aluminum casings other than that you can't reload them? I bought some blazers because they were so cheap.

Aluminum or steel? What are you shooting it out of?

[gator7_5]

Aluminum or steel? What are you shooting it out of?
38sp and 357. Revolver. Aluminum alloy. I can't imagine a downside, but just wondering if anyone else knew.

[HungaryGator]

not sure about aluminum. For steel, the downsides are:

- its dirty. Literally you handle it and your hands are dirty.

- I have heard that steel casings can break the ejector or at least are more prone to do so (though I've run plenty through my Keltec with no problems and if it did ever break, the gun has a lifetime warranty)

- They won't let you use it at many indoor gun ranges (they claim there is a fire hazard - I suspect its so they can force you to buy their very expensive ammo)

I have several hundreds rounds of Russkie steel cased 9mm ammo I was able to buy a few months ago for less than $0.25/round which is about half of what 9m is going for on gunbroker so I was happy to get it. I plan on going to outdoor ranges more in the future even if I have to drive further. The fact that they are free is not that big of a deal....the not having anybody over my shoulder telling me I can't do this or that (ie no steel cased, no rapid shooting yada yada yada) is a much bigger deal to me.

[helix139]

38sp and 357. Revolver. Aluminum alloy. I can't imagine a downside, but just wondering if anyone else knew.

In revolvers, you're probably fine using pretty much whatever. Just make sure you clean your gun afterwards. For autoloaders, in addition to the ammo possibly being dirty and/or coated, the expansion properties differ from your typical brass casings and can affect the weapon cycling and cause extraction problems.

[King8r]

Helix,

Shooting full-auto is about the most fun one can have with their pants on. I've shot a lot, and it's impossible not to have a big smile on your face. Pretty easy to own if you have the $$$
I had a suppressed Mac-11, then sold it to purchase my UZI. My shooting buddy has an MP5, Thompson, and a BAR, so get to shoot them a lot. There are quite a few that are still less than $10K, as prices have leveled off some the last few years.

Just finished this new AR today. Tactical Machining lower with YHM upper and various Magpul parts. I was trying to make this one a little lighter than my other and went with a longer rail. Threw on an old Aimpoint I had lying around, but will probably switch over my T1 I have on a Sub 2K.

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z476/KingG8r/70537F23-768B-4261-8ECE-40C43D71199A-132-0000000566202AFA_zps67a728e3.jpg

[wygator]

Upcoming event here in central Wyoming---Machine Gun and Cannon Shoot. Flyer and video links here:

http://wyomingnfa.com/2013/2013%20MACHINE%20GUN%20SHOOT%20FLYER.pdf

Video trailer

http://wyomingnfa.com/movies/Machine_wma.wmv

[GolphinGator]

Sorry messed this one up.

[GolphinGator]

Was looking around Jerry's in Ocala Tuesday and a S&W Shield made me take it home. I have been wanting one for a while, but had only found them online until Tuesday.

[Tipmoose]

I don't have any guns anymore. I lost them all in a tragic boating accident last summer. :(

[GolphinGator]

I don't have any guns anymore. I lost them all in a tragic boating accident last summer. :(

Heard that a while back. To bad when things happen like that, but it is the price you pay for shooting fish. :laugh:

[The_Graygator]

Still looking for a quality, compact, conceal carry .45, but I'm starting to think the Springfield XDs is going to be small for my hand. I'm thinking of a Taurus Millineum .45 right now.

I saw another 9mm Springfield XDm model with a 13 round clip, but would really like to go .45.

[HungaryGator]

I don't have any guns anymore. I lost them all in a tragic boating accident last summer. :(

I do not own a single registered gun.


That is my standard answer and its completely true. I am safe to go boating. :laugh:

[helix139]

Well my bank account is going to hate me. I came across a deal too good to pass up on a TA31F ACOG that I don't need for my evil black gun. Should have it in a few days.

Still looking for a quality, compact, conceal carry .45, but I'm starting to think the Springfield XDs is going to be small for my hand. I'm thinking of a Taurus Millineum .45 right now.

I saw another 9mm Springfield XDm model with a 13 round clip, but would really like to go .45.

As long as you're using a 9MM short or above with modern hollowpoint ammo (Speer Gold Dot, Winchester PDX1, or Federal HST), it's better to have more rounds than bigger rounds. It's all about shot placement and unless you score a significant hit (not just temporary cavitation) to the heart, lungs, major artery (Aorta, etc), or CNS, you're not guaranteed to stop someone in their tracks. Even 00 buck is not going to knock someone off their feet. Smaller calibers also have the benefit of faster follow up shots, which is important if you don't drop them with the first shot.

IMO, pick the carry gun that you can shoot with the best balance of speed and accuracy with and that fits best in your hand and don't worry too much about caliber. All else equal, yes go for the larger caliber. All else is rarely equal, though, as recoil, capacity, size, and ability to buy, find, and shoot ammo can all figure in.

[1993R]

Still looking for a quality, compact, conceal carry .45, but I'm starting to think the Springfield XDs is going to be small for my hand. I'm thinking of a Taurus Millineum .45 right now.

I saw another 9mm Springfield XDm model with a 13 round clip, but would really like to go .45.

Look at H&K
Compact USP
And the P 230 will fit the bill in .45

[The_Graygator]

Well my bank account is going to hate me. I came across a deal too good to pass up on a TA31F ACOG that I don't need for my evil black gun. Should have it in a few days.



As long as you're using a 9MM short or above with modern hollowpoint ammo (Speer Gold Dot, Winchester PDX1, or Federal HST), it's better to have more rounds than bigger rounds. It's all about shot placement and unless you score a significant hit (not just temporary cavitation) to the heart, lungs, major artery (Aorta, etc), or CNS, you're not guaranteed to stop someone in their tracks. Even 00 buck is not going to knock someone off their feet. Smaller calibers also have the benefit of faster follow up shots, which is important if you don't drop them with the first shot.

IMO, pick the carry gun that you can shoot with the best balance of speed and accuracy with and that fits best in your hand and don't worry too much about caliber. All else equal, yes go for the larger caliber. All else is rarely equal, though, as recoil, capacity, size, and ability to buy, find, and shoot ammo can all figure in.



I get that, but a 9mm HP in the chest has to be into the heart or lungs to stop instantly, but a single .45 round will do much more damage and doesn't even have to hit the heart or lungs straight on to seriously damage them.

That's why I like a .45, also, a gun fight concerning a self defense situation is usually about 1 - 3 shots before it's over, and I'm a crack shot. I would plant a shot on an assailant between the pockets on the first trigger pull. :wink:

[helix139]

I get that, but a 9mm HP in the chest has to be into the heart or lungs to stop instantly, but a single .45 round will do much more damage and doesn't even have to hit the heart or lungs straight on to seriously damage them.

That's why I like a .45, also, a gun fight concerning a self defense situation is usually about 1 - 3 shots before it's over, and I'm a crack shot. I would plant a shot on an assailant between the pockets on the first trigger pull. :wink:

Are you sure about that under a body alarm reaction when you have tunnel vision and can't really focus well on your sights? Even those who train constantly struggle to be accurate under those conditions. FWIW, the wound channels of a 230g .45ACP is not significantly different than a 147g 9mm in modern defensive ammo, and this is especially true when the .45ACP is shot out of a barrel that starts to approach 3.5". I also think it's unwise to count on a gun fight being over in 1-3 shots. While that may usually be the case, I'd rather plan for the worst.

IMO, .45ACP is a great platform in a full size gun like the 1911, but in a compact platform there are just too many reasons to go for one of the smaller standard calibers.

[PIMking]

Yup, 45 guns dont really have a good smaller pistol. xds is a 3.3" barrel and it's like lobbing a softball. I tested ammo out of a 1911 with a 5" barrel and the XDs and the speed was 200/fps difference.

then it comes to the amount of ammo you can hold....

[helix139]

Yup, 45 guns dont really have a good smaller pistol. xds is a 3.3" barrel and it's like lobbing a softball. I tested ammo out of a 1911 with a 5" barrel and the XDs and the speed was 200/fps difference.

then it comes to the amount of ammo you can hold....

And controlling recoil in a small package, costing more to shoot...

[gatorman_07732]

hooah, suck on these baby
My HK-94 and Aug

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/picture.php?albumid=90&pictureid=2423

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/picture.php?albumid=90&pictureid=2424

[PIMking]

2652

My new baby

[The_Graygator]

Are you sure about that under a body alarm reaction when you have tunnel vision and can't really focus well on your sights? Even those who train constantly struggle to be accurate under those conditions. FWIW, the wound channels of a 230g .45ACP is not significantly different than a 147g 9mm in modern defensive ammo, and this is especially true when the .45ACP is shot out of a barrel that starts to approach 3.5". I also think it's unwise to count on a gun fight being over in 1-3 shots. While that may usually be the case, I'd rather plan for the worst.

IMO, .45ACP is a great platform in a full size gun like the 1911, but in a compact platform there are just too many reasons to go for one of the smaller standard calibers.


I'm sure of how I would react. I've trained a lot for a home invasion or a personal encounter assault. It would be reflex. I've fired into ballistics gels at a law enforcement center near me with officers before, and let me say, a single .45 jhp, especially a designed personal defense round like I use, will do as much damage as two average market 9mm jhp rounds place together. :wink:

The difference of the larger or smaller calibers is usually stopping power and whether or not the gun owner is capable of handling the recoil. Most of the well-built larger caliber conceal pistols today have minimum recoil, especially with a steel chassis.

I'm a big strong guy, so the recoil won't bother me much, if at all. :wink:

[GolphinGator]

I bought the M&P Shield in 9mm because it is thinner and I can CC it here in Florida in the summer. I have a 45 and a 12 GA for home or vehicle but they are not something I want to CC. I already had a Taurus Slim709 and have been looking for the Shield because I think it is a better gun.