Sandy Hook: NO Assault Rifle Used!

[wargunfan]

No rifle was used in the Sandy Hook shooting. All the deaths were by pistol rounds and the rifle was never in the school. We are being spoon fed a false narrative by the Obama administration and their stooges in the liberal media.

Feinstein's bill is now clearly revealed as demagoguery. And yet unquestioning liberals have swallowed it hook line and sinker. Shall we now rush to ban hand guns?

Wake up citizens. You are being played for fools! The federal government is trying to usurp police powers that the Constitution forbids.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

[gator10010]

This should get interesting.

[HALLGATOR]

MSNBC can't possible be reporting this, that would go against what most believe about them.

As far as the rifle goes perhaps the administration didn't have the straight of it either. He did take the rifle to the school, or so they are reporting.

[wargunfan]

Does anyone believe that the Obama administration hasn't known all along that Sandy Hook was a hand gun crime?

All of the outrage about "assault rifles" has been nothing but a subterfuge to accomplish the agenda of the gun control crowd.

Law abiding gun owners are the ones who should be outraged. If this doesn't piss you off nothing will!

[cocodrilo]

The two wounded survivors should know what they were shot with (and by whom). Unfortunately one isn't talking to reporters (or perhaps I should say reporters aren't talking to her) and the other one is apparently missing.

[wgbgator]

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the OP an old video? It says aired December 15th?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/16/governor-gunman-shot-self-first-responders-closed/?page=all#pagebreak


Mr. Malloy offered no possible motive for the shooting, and a law enforcement official has said police have found no letters or diaries left behind that could shed light on it.

Lanza shot his mother, Nancy Lanza, to death at the home they shared Friday, then drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School in her car with at least three of her guns, forced his way in by breaking a window and opened fire, authorities said. Within minutes, he killed the children, six adults and himself.

All the victims at the school were shot with a rifle, at least some of them up close, and all were apparently shot more than once, Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the chief medical examiner, said. There were as many as 11 shots on the bodies he examined. Lanza died of a gunshot wound to the head that was self-inflicted, the medical examiner said Sunday.

All six adults killed at the school were women. Of the 20 children, eight were boys and 12 were girls.

[baygator1]

Is this video from today, or back from December? I've watched it twice and it seems like it might have been taped within a few days after the shooting (15 DEC).

Also interesting to note that Lanza attempted to buy a rifle from a local gun shop a few days before the shooting and he wasn't able to. It isn't clear from the video why he was denied, or if it was simply the waiting period. Either way - he wasn't able to buy the gun, which ironically might have cost his mother her life.

[brainstorm]

This should be reported in the general media. They should report their fair share.

[gatorman_07732]

Thats what I don't see, the date of that video

[wgbgator]

Here's your one stop shop:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_cons piracy_theory/

[wgbgator]

No rifle was used in the Sandy Hook shooting. All the deaths were by pistol rounds and the rifle was never in the school. We are being spoon fed a false narrative by the Obama administration and their stooges in the liberal media.

Feinstein's bill is now clearly revealed as demagoguery. And yet unquestioning liberals have swallowed it hook line and sinker. Shall we now rush to ban hand guns?

Wake up citizens. You are being played for fools! The federal government is trying to usurp police powers that the Constitution forbids.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

I think its you who has been played here.

[baygator1]

Regardless of the date of this video (I believe 15 DEC), it is interesting that the initial reports out shortly after the shooting claimed the rifle was never inside the school - only handguns were recovered inside and the rifle never made it out of the car.

Lots of confusion in the reporting early on...

[wgbgator]

Regardless of the date of this video (I believe 15 DEC), it is interesting that the initial reports out shortly after the shooting claimed the rifle was never inside the school - only handguns were recovered inside and the rifle never made it out of the car.

Lots of confusion in the reporting early on...

That's true of any unfolding news event. You could find video of someone reporting on CNN & Fox that Obamacare had been overturned by the SCOTUS.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Sandy Hook investigative journalism = Manti Te'o investigative journalism

Pretty much non-existent. Just parrot whatever you're told and don't ask too many questions.

[wgbgator]

Sandy Hook investigative journalism = Manti Te'o investigative journalism

Pretty much non-existent. Just parrot whatever you're told and don't ask too many questions.

Or post old videos and ignore subsequent statements, investigations and clarifications that conflict with what you want to believe. That's some fine work too.

[baygator1]

That's true of any unfolding news event.

I suppose you and I are both guilty of stating the obvious. :laugh:

What's different in this case is the live report aired nearly 24 hours after the shooting. Local, state and federal investigators had been combing through the crime scene for about 18 hours. You'd think they'd be able to accurately report at that point what weapons were recovered inside the building and what was still in the car.

I still give the cloud of confusion associated with unfolding events of this magnitude the benefit of the doubt here, but it is odd.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Or post old videos and ignore subsequent statements, investigations and clarifications that conflict with what you want to believe. That's some fine work too.

You must have me mistaken with someone else.

Nevertheless, the official story surrounding Sandy Hook is weak and lacking evidence.

[wgbgator]

I suppose you and I are both guilty of stating the obvious. :laugh:

What's different in this case is the live report aired nearly 24 hours after the shooting. Local, state and federal investigators had been combing through the crime scene for about 18 hours. You'd think they'd be able to accurately report at that point what weapons were recovered inside the building and what was still in the car.

I still give the cloud of confusion associated with unfolding events of this magnitude the benefit of the doubt here, but it is odd.

That doesn't seem like a long time to me. I mean, the day after Columbine people were talking about members of the "trench coat mafia" doing it, which was total crap. There's still plenty of popular misconceptions about that one, over a decade later.

[ChartsandGrafs]

What's different in this case is the live report aired nearly 24 hours after the shooting. Local, state and federal investigators had been combing through the crime scene for about 18 hours. You'd think they'd be able to accurately report at that point what weapons were recovered inside the building and what was still in the car.

I still give the cloud of confusion associated with unfolding events of this magnitude the benefit of the doubt here, but it is odd.

This is a pretty good indication that it was a government operation. Slow investigation. Changing stories. Conflicting reports. A compliant media pushing an immediate narrative despite the lack of evidence. If you cloud the operation in just enough confusion, most of the public will become disinterested and look away. They'll accept as true the first story they are given and focus on something else.

[wargunfan]

NBC's Pete Williams: "We've been told by several officials that only handguns were taken into the school." "We've been told by those same officials that he (Adam Lanza) left the rifle in the car."

[wgbgator]

LOL. What would you would find indicative of a "real" event?

[wgbgator]

NBC's Pete Williams: "We've been told by several officials that only handguns were taken into the school." "We've been told by those same officials that he (Adam Lanza) left the rifle in the car."

And this is what you're hanging your hat on? :laugh:

[wargunfan]

The last thing I want to do is disseminate false information. However, the information was presented by NBC news (no right wing source) as factual. The source was presented as "several officials". So either NBC is sloppy in their verification of facts or the "officials" didn't tell the truth or we have been misled by the media as to the facts of the incident. The truth will come out.

[wargunfan]

And this is what you're hanging your hat on? :laugh:

I'm not hanging a hat. Let's see who is credible in the end. Is NBC guilty of sloppy reporting or are they in fact accurate? Are the officials in charge of the information reporting facts or making them up? Are you a liberal sycophant or not? We just don't know for sure. :laugh:

[ChartsandGrafs]

The truth will come out.

Don't bet on it.

[wargunfan]

Don't bet on it.

You are probably right. The more I dig the more confused and weird it gets. I don't usually jump at conspiracy theories but this one really makes me wonder.

Is this a grieving parent or an actor? Notice how he is laughing and joking just before getting into character for the cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE&feature=youtu.be

[wgbgator]

So, apparently we're just playing the same old old jazz standards that we did on the big Conspiracy thread.

[wargunfan]

Wonderfully coached talking points from the Obama administration by way of a "grieving"? family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KDZQ10c8O4

[MastaG8r]

I heard it reported several times right after the shooting that the killer used handguns and the rifle had been left in the car. Particularly with regard to that last detail, how or why would those early reports have been fabricated from thin air? I think reporters were initially told the truth by the police and/or others on the scene, and then later the truth was changed to something more helpful to the 0bama regime's pre-existing agenda.

"He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future."

[wgbgator]

I heard it reported several times right after the shooting that the killer used handguns and the rifle had been left in the car. Particularly with regard to that last detail, how or why would those early reports have been fabricated from thin air? I think reporters were initially told the truth by the police and/or others on the scene, and then later the truth was changed to something more helpful to the 0bama regime's pre-existing agenda.

"He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future."

Because he did leave a gun in the car, a shotgun. It was filmed being taken out. That was the cause of the confusion. However, the rifle, and two hand guns were recovered in the school.

[wargunfan]

I didn't participate in the original Sandy Hook conspiracy thread. I thought I would wait until all the facts were known and avoid the usual pi$$ing contest. But could someone find a video of a truly grieving family of one of the children. I can't find one. I'm beginning to wonder if the actual facts of the shooting have been "cleaned". I don't want to believe this.

[wgbgator]

I didn't participate in the original Sandy Hook conspiracy thread. I thought I would wait until all the facts were known and avoid the usual pi$$ing contest. But could someone find a video of a truly grieving family of one of the children. I can't find one. I'm beginning to wonder if the actual facts of the shooting have been "cleaned". I don't want to believe this.

I don't want to believe that people are actually interested in consuming videos of "authentically" grieving parents in order to satisfy their baseless fears that a horrible tragedy actually had some ulterior motive or was entirely fake.

[cocodrilo]

Interesting parallel between this "confusion" and the JFK case. A German Mauser rifle was found by cops on the sixth floor of the TSDB, but it subsequently turned into an Italian Mannlicher-Carcano. (Oswald's, of course.)

This was not due to confused early reporting. Deputy constable Seymour Weitzman (who owned a gun shop) identified the weapon as a 7.65 Mauser in a signed affidavit.

[Lawdog88]

Early reports were confusing with regard to the weapons.

First, it was said that the "assault rifle" was found in the trunk of the car. Later, that "assault rifle" magically turned into a shotgun (supposedly with a large capacity drum, or something to that effect). Then, supposedly, the "assault rifle" was found inside the school.

I have been searching for the final police report about the incident, but the latest I was able to find is that the school building is still a crime scene and they are still piecing together the evidence. Supposedly, it will take a while for the final report.

[ChartsandGrafs]

What I want to know is, what was an armed, tactical operations police officer (a trained killer) from another town doing in the woods behind Sandy Hook Elementary that day? This guy was apparently apprehended and caught by the first responders, which would indicate that he was already on the scene when the shootings took place. How did he know to be there? Why didn't we hear more about this in the media?

Notice how this rather important tidbit of information is reported in the very last sentence of the following article:

A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source.

http://newtownbee.com/News/2012-12-27__14-58-27/Police%20Union%20Seeks%20Funding%20For%20Trauma%20 Treatment

Was it this guy described here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTpf7d_kZwk

If so, why was he wearing camouflage? This indicates that he was in hiding or trying not to be spotted.

Was this guy a "grassy knoll" shooter? Was he involved in the shootings in any way? We'll probably never know.

[gatorman_07732]

^^^^^^^^^^If and only if the assault rifle was not actually used, don't look for that police report to surface anytime soon.

[cocodrilo]

Supposedly, it will take a while for the final report.

GOAT reports (Get Our Act Together) always take time (especially when escape goats are involved).

[VAg8r1]

No assualt rifle?

From the medical examiner who conducted the autopsies of the victims:
The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.link (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html)

[wargunfan]

No assualt rifle?

From the medical examiner who conducted the autopsies of the victims:
link (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html)

Would be interested in comparing the ME's statement with the actual autopsy reports. Of course one would have to assume that the autopsy reports are credible at this point.

[bluelang]

Total shame all those kids had to die for Obama to issue a bunch of EO's taking all our guns away forever.

Oh wait.

[Spurffelbow833]

Nevertheless, the official story surrounding Sandy Hook is weak and lacking evidence.

Who needs evidence? Faith is sufficient!

[rpmGator]

The laundry list that anti-gunners put up once again, is the same as always.

Obama signed away any bump he got in the election. And now he is Joe Biden Light.

[Lawdog88]

Total shame all those kids had to die for Obama to issue a bunch of EO's taking all our guns away forever.

Oh wait.


Hey, besides being gay, Joe McCarthy was pro-gun.

Now whatcha gonna do ? :laugh:

[RealGatorFan]

No assualt rifle?

From the medical examiner who conducted the autopsies of the victims:
link (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html)

This is false and using ignorance of the ignorant. There is no way any examiner on any planet can discern what rifle a .223 came from. No friggin way. The only difference between a BushMaster and Colt, is the stamped engraving on the lower piece. I bought an AR15 from Hoover Tactital Firearms by a guy who builds his own and his matches exactly the rifle Lanza had. You can't tell the difference other than the engraving.

Yet, interestingly, the rifle was in Lanza's car (police video showed them removing the rifle and a shotgun from the trunk of his car), yet Lanza immediately killed himself moments after the last victim. So, he ran to his car which BTW was on the other side of the school, ran back to the last point of the shootings and killed himself in a matter of moments. Consider he had 4 pistols and a rifle and how many magazines for a guy that couldn't bench the bench press bar (which weighs 45 lbs)? His brother was quoted saying his brother was every bit as weak as his pics suggest - couldn't carry his backpack full of school books and couldn't fire the shotgun without falling on rear. Something never has added up since MSNBC aired that piece days after the shooting.

[wargunfan]

This is the school security policy letter that went out to Sandy Hook Elementary school parents at the beginning of the 2012-2013 school year.

Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,
Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.
Doors will be locked at approximately 9:30 a.m. Any student arriving after that time must be walked into the building and signed in at the office. Before that time our regular drop-off procedures will be in place. I encourage all parents to have their children come to school and return home on the bus and to remain in school for the entire school day. The beginning and ending of our school day are also important instructional times and therefore we want all our students to reap the benefits of full participation in our program.
We need your help and cooperation for our system to work effectively. Our office staff is handling multiple tasks. Though they will work diligently to help you into the building as quickly as possible, there may be a short delay until someone can view you on the handset and allow you to come in electronically. There are times during the day when office personnel are on the telephone, addressing student concerns, or in the copy room; there are other times when only one person is in the front office. Please help our staff by identifying yourself and provide your child’s name. Keep in mind we will be following our district guidelines which may need revision once we test the system.
Please know your involvement continues to be critical to our school’s effectiveness and your child’s success. We continue to encourage and value your presence in our classrooms and are counting on your cooperation with the implementation of this safety initiative.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Hochsprung

Where is the video showing Adam Lanza at the entrance with an assault rifle?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Where is the video showing Adam Lanza at the entrance with an assault rifle?

Don't worry, I'm sure the the U.S. government will "find" it laying around somewhere, just as they "found" that obviously fake Osama bin Laden confession tape in Afghanistan following the 9/11 "terrorist" attacks.

Remember that one?

http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/images/fake-osama.jpg

Maybe the government can hire another actor to play the part of Adam Lanza in the video? I hear Adam Sandler is available. He'd make a fine lookalike.

[wargunfan]

Anyone remember Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks) shaking hands with LBJ in the movie. I guarantee you that the feds can create a video showing Adam Lanza carrying an assault rifle. Would they do that? I don't want to think so.

[wargunfan]

Don't worry, I'm sure the the U.S. government will "find" it laying around somewhere, just as they "found" that obviously fake Osama bin Laden confession tape in Afghanistan following the 9/11 "terrorist" attacks.

Remember that one?

http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/images/fake-osama.jpg

Maybe the government can hire another actor to play the part of Adam Lanza in the video? I hear Adam Sandler is available. He'd make a fine lookalike.

Isn't the left photo the disabled Bin Laden worshiper? Cant think of (or spell lol) his name.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Isn't the left photo the disabled Bin Laden worshiper? Cant think of (or spell lol) his name.

I imagine he was the CIA's version of a "crisis actor", just in case they ever needed to put out a phoney Osama bin Laden video to scare the American sheeple with.

[Spurffelbow833]

Anyone remember Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks) shaking hands with LBJ in the movie. I guarantee you that the feds can create a video showing Adam Lanza carrying an assault rifle. Would they do that? I don't want to think so.

More likely, we'll probably get a video of Adam Lanza swinging on the monkey bars and trying unsuccessfully to shoot rattlesnakes in the desert.

[cocodrilo]

Well, according to James Fetzer, the Israelis did it.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/20/279183/israeli-death-squad-massacred-us-children/

[bluelang]

Someone on Fox news just posted video evidence that Adam Lanza wasn't at the school during the shootings.

[ChartsandGrafs]

This is kind of interesting. The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) lists the death of an Adam P. Lanza on Thursday December 13, 2012, which was one day before the Sandy Hook shootings. It's confirmed as 'proven' with his estimated age at the time of death being '20 years, 7 months, 21 days'. The issuing state is listed as 'New Hampshire' (state of birth?). See here:

http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/doc/ssdi/v1:143EB37C71A1FA78

The same website also lists the death of a Nancy Lanza on Friday December 14, 2012, which was the day of the Sandy Hook shootings. See here:

http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/doc/ssdi/v1:143A177167B62EF8

So is that a careless typo in the SSDI for Adam Lanza, or did the government fail to get all their ducks in a row? Perhaps Lanza was already dead on the day of the shootings and they used his corpse as a convenient patsy. I suspect we'll see a correction on that date of death very, very soon.

[cocodrilo]

Someone on Fox news just posted video evidence that Adam Lanza wasn't at the school during the shootings.

Then I can only assume the video was posted for the purpose of ridiculing it. No one at Fox News or any other mainstream media is going to present evidence of a conspiracy unless the purpose is to debunk it.

[Spurffelbow833]

This is kind of interesting. The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) lists the death of an Adam P. Lanza on Thursday December 13, 2012, which was one day before the Sandy Hook shootings. It's confirmed as 'proven' with his estimated age at the time of death being '20 years, 7 months, 21 days'. The issuing state is listed as 'New Hampshire' (state of birth?). See here:

http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/doc/ssdi/v1:143EB37C71A1FA78

The same website also lists the death of a Nancy Lanza on Friday December 14, 2012, which was the day of the Sandy Hook shootings. See here:

http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/doc/ssdi/v1:143A177167B62EF8

So is that a careless typo in the SSDI for Adam Lanza, or did the government fail to get all their ducks in a row? Perhaps Lanza was already dead on the day of the shootings and they used his corpse as a convenient patsy. I suspect we'll see a correction on that date of death very, very soon.

All they really have to do is switch the boogeyman from Muslim terrorists to zombies. The sheeple will believe them.