Coach Meyer was right.

[swg8trgr8]

It's mind-boggling how UF is unable to keep their coaches, while Alabama somehow does. I realize they have a new OC this year, but look at how stable their personnel has been at other positions (specifically Smart, Cochran, etc).

It's ridiculous how high the turnover rate is at UF. I don't have any statistics, but we must be in the upper echelon in this category.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I don't think Alabama's any better than most of college football, but we've had a pretty rough streak. By my quick count we've had 7 OCs or DCs in the last 5 years.

[gatorr4life]

The price you pay to be on top. (Or close to it, I should say) Still ridiculously annoying.

[Tebowism0823]

Yeah I'm surprised Kirby hasn't left yet.

[your_perfect_enemy]

I don't think Alabama's any better than most of college football, but we've had a pretty rough streak. By my quick count we've had 7 OCs or DCs in the last 5 years.

Is that counting the DC we had for like 2 weeks meyers last year?

[The_Graygator]

It's mind-boggling to me too. That said, at least we didn;t bring in a new DC who is two years out of HS like FSU did.

This coaching carousel is EXACTLY what I have been saying for the last three years caused the majority of our problems and struggles in the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

We need some guys with staying power IMO. This just hurts recruiting down the road too because opposing staffs will use it against us. Look at Anzalone at ND. He left because of Kelly's shenanigans and now his DC at UF is gone.

On top of all that, I'm not excalty sure how good I feel about DJ Durkin being promoted to DC.

[GATORAZ]

Alabama has had a ton of turnover

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Is that counting the DC we had for like 2 weeks meyers last year?

Yeah.

[lurkingator1]

I think Durkin is a great choice we should be fine, Alabama nor any other school is going to be immune to this kind of change hell last year they lost their OC this year two position coaches have left there for FSU.

[Lawdog88]

Is this thread really about something else ? :huh:

[john_kemp]

Bama just lost the coach that recruited D Walker to FSU..........

[gator85jd]

Is that counting the DC we had for like 2 weeks meyers last year?

Hey, don't talk crap about Meyer. You'll have some Urban apologists tap dancing on your sack for that.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Actually, dating back to 2008 I guess that *is* 8 offensive or defensive coordinators.

That is nuts.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

DCs: Strong, George Edwards, Teryl Austin, Dan Quinn
OCs: Mullen, Addazio, Weis, Pease

[G8RNTN]

Maybe because we don't pay our assistants enough to want to stay...

[orangeblueorangeblue]

2003-2009: 3 offensive or defensive coordinators
2009-2013: 8 offensive or defensive coordinators

[exiledgator]

2003-2009: 3 offensive or defensive coordinators
2009-2013: 8 offensive or defensive coordinators

Certainly feeds the 'coaching consistency is killing us' crowd.

[tilly]

Hey. Congrats to the OP for somehow fitting The Coach Up North into yet another thread. Kudos to you. :/

[GunGator]

People need to get over Meyer and also stop talking about the gumps like they are gods of football.

This state of flux is a test for Muschamp, we just have to watch how handles it. Maybe Foley does need to pay assistants more.

[The_Graygator]

2003-2009: 3 offensive or defensive coordinators
2009-2013: 8 offensive or defensive coordinators

My point exactly.

I just don't understand why we can't seem to keep these guys here for at least 3 - 4 years at a stretch.

[jms]

Pay assistants more is the only way
Look how much Michigan is paying their coordinators! And bamer at least on defense
Quinn just doubled his salary

[orangeblueorangeblue]

My point exactly.

I just don't understand why we can't seem to keep these guys here for at least 3 - 4 years at a stretch.

4 years would be a blessing I can't even imagine.

2 years with no turnover at either OC or DC would be good enough for me.

[GunGator]

We seem to have a reputation that we are easy to poach from. Going back to the Spurrier days our HCs have seemingly encouraged assistants to look for something better.

Foley needs to crack open that check book and reward these guys a little quicker. Everyone wants to feel appreciated.

[Briang8r]

Nearly all of the recent coordinators left for an NFL job, or one that would be considered a promotion in title. If we were losing these coaches to equal or lesser jobs, then that would be a huge concern. Unfortunately for us, it seems like the turnover is the cost of having talented coaches. You also have to factor in that we had a recent head coaching change contribute to the turnover as well.

[g8rgrad07]

I wonder if Coach Muschamp knew this was going to happen eventually and that's why he groomed Coach Young into the DL coach. I don't know if that's what is going to happen but maybe that was a sign that this was inevitable anyways.

[Lawdog88]

College football is just the warm-up league for the "Bigs", for both players and coaches in the most part anymore. It's not like talented kids - or coaches - are necessarily attracted to any particular program because of the University itself, loyalty to it, or love for it; it is merely a business opportunity to advance their careers.

There may be occasional exceptions. I am hoping Coach Champ is one of them, and by all measures so far, he is.

So, for the players, wherever they go they are still going to have to play and develop, and no particular coach - who may be here, there, or anywhere and gone tomorrow - can get them a ticket to the Bigs. They will still have to earn that, be coached up, and learn and refine the kinds of techniques that will help them play in the Bigs. I think the SEC "brand" and the "Gator" brand (sickening to say that) are as big as anyone else's, and they pretty much know with the quality of coaches we have on staff, they can learn and refine their skills here just as good as anywhere else.

That is just the way it is.

[Spurffelbow833]

If money is the problem, money needs to be thrown at it. It's simple math. The longer you can get assistants to stay, the less inexperience you're going to be dealing with year to year to year. Big difference between losing an assistant or two every year and losing half the staff. It's getting old. There's been a dry rot in the works ever since Meyer's second championship. Nothing is as good as it once was, in the stands, on the field, or anywhere else, for that matter. It's like Applegate collected on a deal after the Oklahoma game.

[grant1]

Yeah I'm surprised Kirby hasn't left yet.

He's probably waiting on 1 of 2 jobs to open: UGA and Bammer.

[gator85jd]

He's probably waiting on 1 of 2 jobs to open: UGA and Bammer.

Why not go get his feet wet somewhere else while he's waiting. It's not like either of those schools would snub him when there's an opening.

[ufgator4ever]

Yeah I'm surprised Kirby hasn't left yet.

Maybe he knows his limits. Can you say mickey andrews?

[KronoGator]

Maybe some guys don't like living in Gainesville.

[ufgator4ever]

Yeah I'm surprised Kirby hasn't left yet.

Maybe he knows his limits. Can you say mickey andrews?

[hgators]

We haven't lost any coach we wanted to keep that didn't get a promotion. We have a great program and have great coaches and that's why we get poached. It's a compliment. Kirby Smart knows when he is going to be the 'bama coach or go to uga, so they pay him to stay. Money had never been an issue as to why we have had coaches leave...never.

[theghost]

Wasn't Durkin a finalist for the Central Michigan job (or one of the jobs from up north)?

[UFLAW81]

Corch Meyer will suffer the same fate at OSU. These are not lateral moves. And the fact that Kirby Smart is still at Alabama suggests he will replace Saban in a few years.Chill.

[socraticsilence]

We seem to have a reputation that we are easy to poach from. Going back to the Spurrier days our HCs have seemingly encouraged assistants to look for something better.

Foley needs to crack open that check book and reward these guys a little quicker. Everyone wants to feel appreciated.

The problem is that the last two guys to leave had only been here 1 and 2 years respectively, you can't reward that or you might end up in the kind of situation ND was in with our last OC-- if the initial performance is an outlier you end up paying the guy years after you've fired him.

Quinn might've been in line for a raise after this upcoming year if he reloaded and maintained the same high level of performance.

[gtr2x]

Guess I missed it, but still trying to relate the thread title with the thread content.:huh:

[Swampgenie]

Holy Cow, here we go again. We go through this jibberish for what? Coach's work to move up that ladder, and hopefully one day become a head Coach. Maybe to his dream job. We lose coach's, like everyone else. If you don't believe that, your living in a dream world. Programs are looking for good coach's, at good programs. Look at Brian Kelly at Notre Dame. He started at Grand Valley, then Central Michigan, then Cinncinati, then a dream job at Notre Dame. Not all coach's are a Mickey Andrews, but you all do know Andrews coached the Gators. Great coach, but had the personality of a can of Stewed Tomatos. Some of you sound like you don't work, or never have. Also, we've had coach's who didn't accept other job offers. They don't always leave.

Just chill, players are resilient. They pick up things quickly, and our issue's the last few years has been with talent. QB, WR, OL but BOOM is working on the upgrades.
GOGATORS!

[Spurffelbow833]

Florida attained a level of success that should have been more sustainable despite change than it has been. We should be able to reload, not struggle year to year to stay above .500 as if we were some Big East also-ran who caught lightning in a bottle. Personally, I suspect that not enough money is being applied to the equation.

[theghost]

Florida attained a level of success that should have been more sustainable despite change than it has been. We should be able to reload, not struggle year to year to stay above .500 as if we were some Big East also-ran who caught lightning in a bottle. Personally, I suspect that not enough money is being applied to the equation.

We had two bad seasons: 8-5 (well above ".500") and 7-6. I wouldn't say we are struggling to stay above .500. Coaching changes happen. We lost 2 last year and 2 this year (WR coach Hill, just before the start of the season being the other...I wouldn't count Hamden as "losing a coach").

However, I do agree that money may be a small issue. But the trend in paying assistant coaches "big money" only recently started happening a few years ago (about the time Kiffen went to Tennessee and paid his dad $1million/year to be DC and Saban to Bama, paying his assistants big money). One of the reasons Bielema left Wisconsin is because he was tired of losing assistant coaches (because Wisonsin wouldn't pay the salaries he requested). When Jimbo was hired to replace baby Bowden as OC at FSU he was given a big raise over what Jeff Bowden made ($105,000....and he was the coaches son!). Now most position coaches are making upwards of $200K (or more) at the bigger schools.

[UFLAW81]

Well, what is Corch Meyer paying his assistants at O$U?

[demosthenes]

DCs: Strong, George Edwards, Teryl Austin, Dan Quinn
OCs: Mullen, Addazio, Weis, Pease 2003-2009: 3 offensive or defensive coordinators
2009-2013: 8 offensive or defensive coordinators
The number is up to nine now with Durkin...

[GatorSean]

Florida attained a level of success that should have been more sustainable despite change than it has been. We should be able to reload, not struggle year to year to stay above .500 as if we were some Big East also-ran who caught lightning in a bottle. Personally, I suspect that not enough money is being applied to the equation.

What are you talking about? We had exactly ONE year out of the last TWENTY years where we were just barely above .500. We are 52-15 in the last 5 years.

How does that equal struggling year to year to stay above .500?

[Tebowism0823]

Is it to early to blame GPD?

[Claygator]

Maybe because we don't pay our assistants enough to want to stay...

This. During Meyer's tenure, our assistant coaches were significantly underpaid when compared with their SEC counterparts. While we have improved that somewhat, we still lag behind some of our SEC rivals. Why? There is no excuse for it.

[nwflgator_58]

Alabama lost two assistants to FSU, and Kirby Smart is now talking to the Eagles.

[UFLAW81]

Alabama lost two assistants to FSU, and Kirby Smart is now talking to the Cardinals.

And Corch Meyer is keeping all of his.
I guess.

[socalg8r]

Maybe this will focus Muschamp on the defense to the degree that he lets Pease have more free reign on O.

(That comment assumes the rumor/idea that Will was handcuffing Pease to some degree.)

[Claygator]

Alabama lost two assistants to FSU, and Kirby Smart is now talking to the Eagles.

Yeah, but Smart was making a whole lot more money at Bama than Quinn was at UF. I'm not sure he goes anywhere. We HAVE to pay our assistants comparable to our SEC rivals.

[demosthenes]

This. During Meyer's tenure, our assistant coaches were significantly underpaid when compared with their SEC counterparts. While we have improved that somewhat, we still lag behind some of our SEC rivals. Why? There is no excuse for it.

Did we lose many assistants during Meyer's tenure? I don't remember there being significant staff losses during his time.

[DieAGator]

We HAVE to pay our assistants comparable to our SEC rivals.

Assumes there's a budget surplus or donors ready to cough up the cash.

[socraticsilence]

Did we lose many assistants during Meyer's tenure? I don't remember there being significant staff losses during his time.

Mullen, Gonzales, Strong.

[GatorSean]

Mullen, Gonzales, Strong.

Mattison, Holliday, Hevesy. Drayton, Bedford...

[rburnett]

Certainly feeds the 'coaching consistency is killing us' crowd.

I am definitely in this crowd.

[UFLAW81]

Consistency starts with the head corch.
If these were lateral moves you might have a problem.
The only lateral move we have had is with Meyer and the corches who left to go to O$U with him.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

It hurts our ability to sustain any sort of continuity in what we're doing. I suppose every school around the league has dealt with it on some level over the last five years. Heck, six years ago Houston Nutt was at Arkansas, Saban was screwing Miami over, Tuberville was considered one of the elite coaches in the SEC, Meyer won his first national title in Gainesville, Phil Fulmer hadn't yet played in his final SEC championship game, and Ed Orgeron wasn't pulling his shirt off in front of Tennessee players quite yet. Gus Malzahn was still a high school coach, Bob Petrino wasn't anywhere even close to being hired-or fired-at Arkansas, and the whole league looked a lot different.

The only way to really fix a problem like what we're experiencing, would be to hire candidates with ties to Florida. I think Pease will be gone within the next year or two so, all joking aside, maybe Muschamp should look into giving Kerwin Bell a shot. I was hoping Aubrey Hill would work out, but he didn't. I don't know how else we're really going to stop this.

[swg8trgr8]

Consistency starts with the head corch.
If these were lateral moves you might have a problem.
The only lateral move we have had is with Meyer and the corches who left to go to O$U with him.

How about Billy Gonzalez to LSU?

[dawny]

We dont pay on the high scale, Bama has deeper pockets, or Invests in their Coaches.

[thedyc09]

This is ridiculous. Dan Quinn coached 10 years in the NFL. He was given the chance to become an NFL DC (replacing a guy who, guess what, just got an NFL head coaching job) with one of the premier groups of defensive players in the NFL. Are we going to pay him $1M just to force Paul Allen to open his checkbook again?

And Alabama, for what its worth, has probably had more turnover than we have during Saban's tenure. He hasn't earned a reputation for being an insufferable perfectionist by accident. Coaches go to him, get worked to the bone (most position coaches last about 2-3 seasons for him), then get spit out with the Saban stamp for a better job. Sure, he has some favorites that have stuck around for awhile (OL in particular) - but his major recruiters (DE, LB, Secondary, RB, WR) I believe have all left pretty frequently, with Lance Thompson being the only guy I remember coming back for a second go-round.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

This is ridiculous. Dan Quinn coached 10 years in the NFL. He was given the chance to become an NFL DC (replacing a guy who, guess what, just got an NFL head coaching job) with one of the premier groups of defensive players in the NFL. Are we going to pay him $1M just to force Paul Allen to open his checkbook again?

And Alabama, for what its worth, has probably had more turnover than we have during Saban's tenure. He hasn't earned a reputation for being an insufferable perfectionist by accident. Coaches go to him, get worked to the bone (most position coaches last about 2-3 seasons for him), then get spit out with the Saban stamp for a better job. Sure, he has some favorites that have stuck around for awhile (OL in particular) - but his major recruiters (DE, LB, Secondary, RB, WR) I believe have all left pretty frequently, with Lance Thompson being the only guy I remember coming back for a second go-round.

I'm not saying turnover doesn't happen elsewhere; it has just happened a lot lately in Gainesville.

It'd just be nice to have a little continuity once in a while. That's probably unrealistic these days, but I'd just like to a high-profile name come in and not have one foot out the door as soon as he arrives. Then again, if nobody wants your coaches, that probably means they aren't really doing a great job.