Tenn at UK Game Thread

[gatordavisl]

I did not see one, so here we go. UK 25-22 with 5:13 left. Both teams are underwhelming. UT typically shows flashes (esp. in terms of athleticism), but generally looks poor and do not play smart. They've had a few gimme rebounds, only to fumble them to UK.

We really should go 3-1 vs. these teams. A double broom would be nice.

[dailydoublecat]

I'm just not sure if the UK team is going to get what it takes. This is painful to watch. I think Goodwin is one of the most unlikeable ball hog that I've seen in a long time. Just hope to survive at home which pisses me off!!!
Jeff

[dailydoublecat]

I absolutely hate this team. Have no idea what to expect in the 2nd half!! They just don't have the chemistry to do much this year!! Calipari should not have to yell instructions the whole damn game.
Jeff

[REM08]

I don't know, I can see a double broom at this point.

I think Goodwin has a killer instinct (too much much of the time) that we could certainly use other players having as well. Honestly I don't see much offesive output from this team and I think Goodwin creating becomes our best option. The stat where Goodwin has shot more FT's than any other player in the league I think shows this isn't the worst strategy in the world - especially when we appear to have so few options.

[dailydoublecat]

I personally loved the 4 on 1 that Goodwin decided not to pass and tried to dunk on the one defensive man. MKG would have beat his ass on the court and he deserved it!!

[REM08]

Jeff I gotta say, I defended Goodwin, but my twitter feed agrees with you.

[UFSECKINGS]

This McCray kid is pretty good.

[MiddleTNgator]

They both look painfully bad. That said, I bet when we play them they turn into the '93 Bulls.

[gatordavisl]

I don't know, I can see a double broom at this point.

I think Goodwin has a killer instinct (too much much of the time) that we could certainly use other players having as well. Honestly I don't see much offesive output from this team and I think Goodwin creating becomes our best option. The stat where Goodwin has shot more FT's than any other player in the league I think shows this isn't the worst strategy in the world - especially when we appear to have so few options. Florida, esp. if healthy, is much better than either team, but UK and UT have a way of playing lights out at home against the Gators. While a two-team sweep is possible, I could also see 2-2. Much depends upon the health of the teams when they play.

Hakadoula just fouled out for UT. Look for UK to take charge. 56-54 UK with 6:47 left.

[gatordavisl]

I absolutely hate this team. Have no idea what to expect in the 2nd half!! They just don't have the chemistry to do much this year!! Calipari should not have to yell instructions the whole damn game.
JeffJeff, these kids are young. I mean they LOOK young and they play like it. Enjoy your success from last year and be patient. These guys are not one-and-doneworthy.

[GatorAvatar]

They both look painfully bad. That said, I bet when we play them they turn into the '93 Bulls.

:laugh:

[dailydoublecat]

Jeff, these kids are young. I mean they LOOK young and they play like it. Enjoy your success from last year and be patient. These guys are not one-and-doneworthy.

I am a very patient person but some of these players are driving me mad. Last year was nice but that's in the rear view mirror. They may not be one and done worthy but I bet all 4 do leave.
Jeff

[gatordavisl]

I see no way these kids can leave, Jeff. Even your coach has the integrity to inform them of their developmental needs.

[llm85]

That looked like an elbow to the face.

[REM08]

That looked like an elbow to the face.

After the ut foul. But yes it was an elbow.

[dailydoublecat]

I see no way these kids can leave, Jeff. Even your coach has the integrity to inform them of their developmental needs.

I can guarantee you two and the other two are 75% gone!! You are right they shouldn't leave but they are.
Jeff

[REM08]

Cal has encouraged several players to return who have ended up leaving anyway. What advice he gives really isn't the determining factor. I know one thing. Noel shouldn't be lumped in with the others IMO.

[dailydoublecat]

Well we won but we have a ton to do and it's mid January!! We are well behind the upper tier of the SEC! Just glad we could beat a UT team at home that isn't very good!!
Jeff

[gatordavisl]

I have a feeling UT plays tougher against the Gators at Knox than UK in Lex. Gators paste UT at home, but squeak out a tough one against Uk.

[dailydoublecat]

The bottom line is right now UF beats us by 25 in Gville and ten in Rupp. Thank goodness we have a month I wished it was 3 to get better!!

[BEH]

I did not see one, so here we go. UK 25-22 with 5:13 left. Both teams are underwhelming. UT typically shows flashes (esp. in terms of athleticism), but generally looks poor and do not play smart. They've had a few gimme rebounds, only to fumble them to UK.

We really should go 3-1 vs. these teams. A double broom would be nice.

So do that.

A Florida fan talking about winning 75% against your two biggest rivals.

Should be an easy feat. Good luck!

[gatordavisl]

So do that.

A Florida fan talking about winning 75% against your two biggest rivals.

Should be an easy feat. Good luck!Obviously Bert is drunk again. What's it tonight? Martinis? Scotch? Must be a volatile liquor. Perhaps tequila.

[themistocles]

Actually, the Gators on play UT once and UK twice, so 3-1 is Impossible.

[gatordavisl]

Actually, the Gators on play UT once and UK twice, so 3-1 is Impossible.Thanks Themis. My assumption was based upon past schedules and did not account for SEC expansion. Guess we can shoot for 2-1 with hopes for 3-0 broom action.

[tommyuf21]

Cal has encouraged several players to return who have ended up leaving anyway. What advice he gives really isn't the determining factor. I know one thing. Noel shouldn't be lumped in with the others IMO.

Coaches usually don't have much influence. Cal knows that the parties that help send the players to him expect them to the get to the NBA so they can have their pay day. I think he's honest with them as to what they have to do to get better, but ultimately the agents and the families have much more sway.

[BEH]

Florida, esp. if healthy, is much better than either team, but UK and UT have a way of playing lights out at home against the Gators. While a two-team sweep is possible, I could also see 2-2. Much depends upon the health of the teams when they play.

Hakadoula just fouled out for UT. Look for UK to take charge. 56-54 UK with 6:47 left.Of course.

In your view Florida has never lost to Kentucky or Tennessee. The record book say it is different; however, the record book are just ink and paper.

[lean_gator]

Of course.

In your view Florida has never lost to Kentucky or Tennessee. The record book say it is different; however, the record book are just ink and paper.

Huh?

[tommyuf21]

I personally loved the 4 on 1 that Goodwin decided not to pass and tried to dunk on the one defensive man. MKG would have beat his ass on the court and he deserved it!!

Sadly for UK, their offense is hampered by two guys (Poythress and Goodwin) that forget they have teammates. They have one guy who is trying (Harrow), but lacks the physicality to finish. WCS plays hard, but doesn't make great decisions and winds up in foul trouble. Noel and KW understand that its a team game and try to make others around them better, sometimes in Noel's case, to a fault.

On defense, they don't communicate and have a bad habit of watching instead of playing. Noel makes up for some of that as a really good last line of defense. I understand why Calipari hates the zone, because it really relies on discipline and communication and some teams just don't have it.

If I was a UK fan (thankfully, I am not), I would be more concerned about the defensive mindset. Offense has a way of taking care of itself, but bad habits on defense usually don't go away and come back to bite you at the worst time.

Even with their problems, on most nights (like tonight) they're going to win regardless. I still think they will wind up third in the league. This is a year for UF to take advantage of this situation and if we don't, shame on us.

[gatordavisl]

Huh?Like I said, Bert is on a binger tonight. I haven't ever read him this drunk.

[gatordavisl]

This is a year for UF to take advantage of this situation and if we don't, shame on us. Thanks Tommy. This is where I've been coming from all along.

[kygator]

Of course.

In your view Florida has never lost to Kentucky or Tennessee. The record book say it is different; however, the record book are just ink and paper.

If you disagree with what he posted, then address his post. Don't pretend he said something else.

[GothamGator]

The bottom line is right now UF beats us by 25 in Gville and ten in Rupp. Thank goodness we have a month I wished it was 3 to get better!!

Yes, it's definitely good for UK that our games are so late in the season, but I'm not sure these guys will make enough improvement by then.

[HALLGATOR]

While I believe UK will get better I also believe Florida will so there is a bit of an offset to consider. Although the curve for the Wildcats should be sharper due to the youth on the team the Gators also have an upward curve since we have players like Frazier II who should improve. Right now injuries are one of our biggest concerns.

[Colin]

My observation from the UT-UK game: both teams look slow and dribble poorly, and offensively both teams lack a sense of what they're trying to do.

If the Gators are healthy, I like our chances, but our games against Kentucky and Tennessee will be tough.

[tommyuf21]

Cal has been really forthcoming about the problems, probably more than he should be (from a competitive standpoint). You can tell that he is fighting this every day, but that is the challenge he sought when he adopted this "new team, every year" philosophy.

[BEH]

Obviously Bert is drunk again. What's it tonight? Martinis? Scotch? Must be a volatile liquor. Perhaps tequila.I have never been drunk in my life. Sorry.

[BEH]

Coaches usually don't have much influence. Cal knows that the parties that help send the players to him expect them to the get to the NBA so they can have their pay day. I think he's honest with them as to what they have to do to get better, but ultimately the agents and the families have much more sway.Oh, it is back to the old payola.

[tommyuf21]

Agents and the AAU coaches they employ control the game and most of the elite players. I think most agree with that.

[gatordavisl]

I have never been drunk in my life. Sorry. Well then you have no excuse.

[kygator]

Even UK fans accuse BEH of posting drunk.

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=183889401&mid=183889401&sid=888&style=2

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Even UK fans accuse BEH of posting drunk.

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=183889401&mid=183889401&sid=888&style=2

This made my morning. Rep to you, sir.

[REM08]

Even UK fans accuse BEH of posting drunk.

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=183889401&mid=183889401&sid=888&style=2

You realize by posting this you're also pointing out that objective UK fans exist - even on catspause.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

You realize by posting this you're also pointing out that objective UK fans exist - even on catspause.

Touche'.

I all seriousness, I think every fan is guilty of being blinded by loyalty to his school/team.

Most people do try to be objective. I have, at times, found myself trying to be overly neutral when it comes to officiating (something I learned quite well from Jeff) but it doesn't last long.

I think the best word to describe most UK fans is "passionate". I admire that and know quite a few UK fans who know a lot about basketball and almost all I have met are good people at heart.

I think you tend to see a big parallel between UK hoops and UF football. Both fans think their team is the elite of the elite and tend to go overboard at times.

With that said, all fan bases have their d-bags and honestly, the best way to handle those people is to not even engage the conversation.

UK's biggest issue this year, imo, is that there is not a cohesiveness toward a common goal. Unfortunately, I think Cal didn't anticipate this group not bonding on court the way last year's group did. I truly feel like that was a once in a generation class led by a once in a generation player. Those guys were unselfish and weren't eyeing the pros until after they won a championship.

This is the "bad" that you get with the "good" with the way Cal recruits. There will be years like this but ultimately, I think you take a year like this one as a UK fan every 2-3 years to get the team's you've had the past 2 and will likely have next year.

I'm more comfortable with how Billy does it, but to each their own.

[kygator]

You realize by posting this you're also pointing out that objective UK fans exist - even on catspause.

It has never been my contention that they don't exist. I have many objective friends who are UK fans. Although it is easier to be objective when your team wins.

[REM08]

It has never been my contention that they don't exist. I have many objective friends who are UK fans. Although it is easier to be objective when your team wins.

Yeah I was just messing with ya.

[BEH]

Well then you have no excuse.No excuse.

I drink but don't get drunk. Don't want to be sick. I am too old.

[BEH]

You realize by posting this you're also pointing out that objective UK fans exist - even on catspause.If you get physical with this Kentucky team you can exploit their weaknesses. Martin knew that and went for it. He still lost but it was effective in that the refs let a lot of stuff go uncalled.

It has nothing to do with alcohol folks.

REM, so anyone who takes the opposite position of me is objective. Pretty damned condescending.

[REM08]

If you get physical with this Kentucky team you can exploit their weaknesses. Martin knew that and went for it. He still lost but it was effective in that the refs let a lot of stuff go uncalled.

It has nothing to do with alcohol folks.

REM, so anyone who takes the opposite position of me is objective. Pretty damned condescending.

Bert, (my name is Jordan by the way) I was just pointing out the implication of another poster using other Kentucky fans as credible evidence - and was joking at that. Apparently I didn't do a good job of it - as now two posters have taken what I meant wrong. Prob my fault.

[gatordavisl]

Even UK fans accuse BEH of posting drunk.

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=183889401&mid=183889401&sid=888&style=2 Double rep to you.