Zero Dark Thirty

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Me and the gf went and saw it last night

Pretty damn intense despite knowing the outcome

Anyone else see, and your thoughts?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

The wife and I saw it Friday night. Enjoyed it a lot.

[Burke]

A superb movie. I highly recommend it.

[co_gator89]

Saw it Friday. Not a bad film even though we may never know how accurate it really is.

[gatorman_07732]

Saw it Friday. Not a bad film even though we may never know how accurate it really is.

According to Jose Rodriguez, National Clandestine Service (D/NCS) of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) not accurate at all

[co_gator89]

Unsurprising.

[DanseRusse]

According to Jose Rodriguez, National Clandestine Service (D/NCS) of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) not accurate at all

And for how quick they were to come out and say that it wasn't accurate at all, it tells me it is pretty accurate lol.

[gatorman_07732]

And for how quick they were to come out and say that it wasn't accurate at all, it tells me it is pretty accurate lol.

Well I guess this makes you the brightest guy in the world. Do you have an algorithm for that synopsis? I didn't refer to they, but the person that was in charge. What he did say is completely consistant with what he said prior, but I guess you think Hollywood has all the information and somehow can keep the facts accurate and make it sexy enough for the movies.

[gatorev12]

And for how quick they were to come out and say that it wasn't accurate at all, it tells me it is pretty accurate lol.

Since when is Hollywood's job to be 100% factual? They're interested in entertaining, not historical accuracy.

I haven't seen the movie yet (I plan on it sometime this week), but I'll give my thoughts on how true-to-life the movie portrays intelligence operations.

[theorangebluewinagain]

Hollywood is fake. It is for simple people.

[ChartsandGrafs]

What's the movie about?

[Gatorpika]

What's the movie about?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zero+dark+thirty

[ChartsandGrafs]

LOL. "The ten-year hunt for Osama bin Laden".

You people don't actually believe this stuff, do you?

[MichiGator2002]

LOL. "The ten-year hunt for Osama bin Laden".

You people don't actually believe this stuff, do you?

Nope. I believe it was the Zionist entity. Or the Zionist entity faked the attacks and the Zionist controlled media just pretends 9/11 happened. Hell, the towers are probably still there.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Nope. I believe it was the Zionist entity. Or the Zionist entity faked the attacks and the Zionist controlled media just pretends 9/11 happened. Hell, the towers are probably still there.

:laugh:

[ChartsandGrafs]

Nope. I believe it was the Zionist entity. Or the Zionist entity faked the attacks and the Zionist controlled media just pretends 9/11 happened. Hell, the towers are probably still there.

LOL, I guess you do believe it.

I bet you believed in smashed Kuwaiti incubator babies, too.

[gatorev12]

Nope. I believe it was the Zionist entity. Or the Zionist entity faked the attacks and the Zionist controlled media just pretends 9/11 happened. Hell, the towers are probably still there.

You're forgetting Disney's role in all this: distraction of the sheep with fun, cutesy entertainment to not even notice that the towers are still there. The DIC" (Disney-Industrial Complex) must be satisfied.

[MichiGator2002]

LOL, I guess you do believe it.

I bet you believed in smashed Kuwaiti incubator babies, too.

Too well-adjusted to have even heard of them, I am happy to say :)

[ChartsandGrafs]

Too well-adjusted to have even heard of them, I am happy to say :)

Do you mean well-adjusted, or simply uninformed? You've honestly never heard the tall tale about "smashed Kuwaiti incubator babies"?

Perhaps that explains why you believe in the 9/11 false flag hoax and the notion of two planes knocking down three skyscrapers.

LOL.

[gatorman_07732]

Nope. I believe it was the Zionist entity. Or the Zionist entity faked the attacks and the Zionist controlled media just pretends 9/11 happened. Hell, the towers are probably still there.

Last I checked when I was there last month the Towers are gone. Now thats not to say they're not being hidden somewhere.

[co_gator89]

LOL, I guess you do believe it.

I bet you believed in smashed Kuwaiti incubator babies, too.

Anyone who still believes that story stopped paying attention a long time ago.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Anyone who still believes that story stopped paying attention a long time ago.

Which story? The 9/11 hoax or the Kuwaiti incubator hoax?

It doesn't really matter I suppose. Either way, you're correct, and there's probably no hope for such people. If they can be duped into believing in the 9/11 scam and held in thrall of it after everything that's taken place since, they can be duped into believing anything.

[gatorman_07732]

Which story? The 9/11 hoax or the Kuwaiti incubator hoax?

It doesn't really matter I suppose. Either way, you're correct, and there's probably no hope for such people. If they can be duped into believing in the 9/11 scam and held in thrall of it after everything that's taken place since, they can be duped into believing anything.

You have issues

[co_gator89]

Which story? The 9/11 hoax or the Kuwaiti incubator hoax?

It doesn't really matter I suppose. Either way, you're correct, and there's probably no hope for such people. If they can be duped into believing in the 9/11 scam and held in thrall of it after everything that's taken place since, they can be duped into believing anything.

The 9/11 debate can go on for hours and get hostile so I avoid it, but the Kuwaiti incubator story was so obviously fabricated and exploited as war propaganda it would be laughable if it didn't get people killed. There was literally not a single shred of evidence behind that story and even the Kuwaiti hospital staff that worked there said "uhhh, yeah, don't know who that is".

[ChartsandGrafs]

You have issues

Don't tell me, you too actually believe the lying government and media told you the truth about what happened on 9/11? And I'm the one with issues?

LOL.

[MichiGator2002]

Seeing as every 9/11 conspiracy was fully formed and in circulation before probably 11am ET, do you seriously expect to speak with the authority of scrutinized facts?

[ChartsandGrafs]

You mean the kind of "scrutinized facts" provided to you by habitually lying government and media, or do you mean other "scrutinized facts"?

[MichiGator2002]

You mean the kind of "scrutinized facts" provided to you by habitually lying government and media, or do you mean other "scrutinized facts"?

Conspiracists are all about verifiable facts, firsthand testimonials, and falsifiable theories. I lol'd.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Conspiracists are all about verifiable facts, firsthand testimonials, and falsifiable theories. I lol'd.

Says the guy who believes in a conspiracy theory centered around a group of Muslims directed by a caveman mastermind, who magically had the ability to make a skyscraper collapse symmetrically into its own footprint and to prevent U.S. air defenses from interdicting for 90 minutes while they flew around over the BosWash corridor in lumbering commercial airliners attacking high-security targets.

I double LOL'd.

[wargunfan]

I would have preferred to see OBL in a cage like the animal that he was. We have made this murdering bastid into a martyr for the ages.

[Burke]

People would be getting kidnapped right and left to be used to barter for bin Laden's freedom were he a captive.

[bluelang]

It was all a false-flag exercise.

[DanseRusse]

Well I guess this makes you the brightest guy in the world. Do you have an algorithm for that synopsis? I didn't refer to they, but the person that was in charge. What he did say is completely consistant with what he said prior, but I guess you think Hollywood has all the information and somehow can keep the facts accurate and make it sexy enough for the movies.

Let me clarify. For how quickly the pentagon came out and said it was not at all close to accurate, pretty much tells me somebody is pretty close to fact. If it wasn't close at all why would the fed care to make a statement?

[philnotfil]

Let me clarify. For how quickly the pentagon came out and said it was not at all close to accurate, pretty much tells me somebody is pretty close to fact. If it wasn't close at all why would the fed care to make a statement?

The neat thing is that if they hadn't come out with a statement, that would also be proof that the movie was accurate :)

[gatorman_07732]

Let me clarify. For how quickly the pentagon came out and said it was not at all close to accurate, pretty much tells me somebody is pretty close to fact. If it wasn't close at all why would the fed care to make a statement?

:huh: You do understand that Rodriguez is not with the CIA anymore. I don't know of anything of the Pentagon making any statement, so if you have something please link. Who is this fed you talk about?

[gatorman_07732]

The neat thing is that if they hadn't come out with a statement, that would also be proof that the movie was accurate :)

I think you're confused

[philnotfil]

I think you're confused

We have a group of people claiming the official statement that the movie takes liberty with the truth is evidence that the movie is completely true. You don't think that those same people would take the lack of the statement as evidence that the movie is completely true. The argument would sound something like, they can't bring themselves to straight up lie to us, so they aren't saying anything, or possibly, the movie hits too close to home and they can't deny any of it, or my personal favorite, they aren't saying anything because they don't want to bring attention to it, make sure all true patriots know about this important movie.

[Gatoragman]

I don't really care whether it is accurate or not, is it entertaining and a good movie?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Says the guy who believes in a conspiracy theory centered around a group of Muslims directed by a caveman mastermind, who magically had the ability to make a skyscraper collapse symmetrically into its own footprint and to prevent U.S. air defenses from interdicting for 90 minutes while they flew around over the BosWash corridor in lumbering commercial airliners attacking high-security targets.

I double LOL'd.

I am very good friends with a structural engineer. She said what happened to the WTC building is EXACTLY what happens when any building constructed that way are subjected to those kind of temps.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That is something the tin foil crown cannot seem to offer.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I don't really care whether it is accurate or not, is it entertaining and a good movie?

It is indeed. And it is based on a really bad guy getting a bullet to the head.

[wgbgator]

I didnt think Inglorious Basterds was accurate. But I enjoyed Hitler getting gunned down in a burning movie theater.

[gatorman_07732]

We have a group of people claiming the official statement that the movie takes liberty with the truth is evidence that the movie is completely true. You don't think that those same people would take the lack of the statement as evidence that the movie is completely true. The argument would sound something like, they can't bring themselves to straight up lie to us, so they aren't saying anything, or possibly, the movie hits too close to home and they can't deny any of it, or my personal favorite, they aren't saying anything because they don't want to bring attention to it, make sure all true patriots know about this important movie.

I think you're on a tangent. My spoke nothing of an official announcement from our government.

[philnotfil]

I think you're on a tangent. My spoke nothing of an official announcement from our government.

Then I think that you are confused. The post of mine that you quoted was a response to a poster who was speaking about an official statement from the Pentagon.

[T3goalie]

Very good film!

[gatorman_07732]

Then I think that you are confused. The post of mine that you quoted was a response to a poster who was speaking about an official statement from the Pentagon.

Yeah and he was quoting me, so tell me who is confused

[philnotfil]

Yeah and he was quoting me, so tell me who is confused

Then I think that your argument is with the poster who started talking about official statements, not with me (which would lead me to believe that you are confused, in case that wasn't clear).

[neisgator]

I would have preferred to see OBL in a cage like the animal that he was. We have made this murdering bastid into a martyr for the ages.

Agreed.

I would have tied him to a chair, and had a million scantily clad women slap him in the face. Then, I would have injected him with bacon fat.

Use that bitch as a punching bag for the ages I say.

Then, when we finally killed him, put him in the ME desert, where everyone knows.
When, people come to pay their respects, dust their terrorist asses too.

[ChartsandGrafs]

I am very good friends with a structural engineer. She said what happened to the WTC building is EXACTLY what happens when any building constructed that way are subjected to those kind of temps.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That is something the tin foil crown cannot seem to offer.

That's great. I am very good friends with a structural engineer who finds the collapse highly suspicious. He said what happened to WTC-7 is EXACTLY what happens when any building constructed that way is rigged with explosives and demolished.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That is something the mind of a government drone cannot seem to offer.

[gatorman_07732]

nonsense

[ChartsandGrafs]

nonsense

You're right. I'm convinced now. The government told the truth. They stopped lying for one day and told us the truth about what happened on 9/11, all out of the kindness of their neocon hearts.

Maybe I should start believing in Santa Claus too?

[tec68]

You're right. I'm convinced now. The government told the truth. They stopped lying for one day and told us the truth about what happened on 9/11, all out of the kindness of their neocon hearts.

Maybe I should start believing in Santa Claus too?

You must be friends with that professor down at FAU. He likes conspiracy THEORIES too. What about Area 51, Bigfoot, Elvis, and Ratman?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

That's great. I am very good friends with a structural engineer who finds the collapse highly suspicious. He said what happened to WTC-7 is EXACTLY what happens when any building constructed that way is rigged with explosives and demolished.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That is something the mind of a government drone cannot seem to offer.

So, I am a government drone? My goodness, this is the first time anyone has ever called me that.

Dude, every single reputable engineering study done on the twin tower collapse confirms what I wrote. Every.single.one.

Now, I am well aware I am wasting my time. I have encountered so many conspiracy theorists in my long life that I know know that things like logic, reason and facts have very little impact on their views.

That is fine. By all means, carry on.

[ChartsandGrafs]

You must be friends with that professor down at FAU. He likes conspiracy THEORIES too. What about Area 51, Bigfoot, Elvis, and Ratman?

LOL, "conspiracy THEORIES".

"Unless you believe and accept what we tell you, it's a conspiracy THEORY, and that's a bad word! You're not allowed to question the official story! To do so is considered a thought crime! We create reality and tell you what it is. You don't get to figure it out for yourself, WE TELL YOU! Stop thinking and OBEY!"

You must be one of those government worshipers who hangs on the government's every word like a religious nut. LOL.

[tec68]

LOL, "conspiracy THEORIES".

"Unless you believe and accept what we tell you, it's a conspiracy THEORY, and that's a bad word! You're not allowed to question the official story! To do so is considered a thought crime! We create reality and tell you what it is. You don't get to figure it out for yourself, WE TELL YOU! Stop thinking and OBEY!"

You must be one of those government worshipers who hangs on the government's every word like a religious nut. LOL.

Well I guess you figured me out lol. I think the government has too much control over things but I am not as far along as you I guess.

I also have a theory. 1984 is your favorite book, correct?

[g8rjd]

I didnt think Inglorious Basterds was accurate. But I enjoyed Hitler getting gunned down in a burning movie theater.

Would rep if I could. Gotta spread it around.

For some reason, this thread reminds me of when I went to go see Titanic and one of my friends asked, seriously, "So, what happens at the end?" One of my other friends started to say, "I'm not going to tell you." And I couldn't help but shoot back before she was done, "The boat sinks." :laugh:

[Row6]

Good movie, not great IMO. Maybe I suffered from too high expectations.

I thought the first 1/2 was not compelling because of too much noise/static and main characters who were not sympathetic or understandable beyond being driven. That's OK and maybe realistic but it doesn't necessarily make a good movie. Second half is compelling. The entire presentation was an exercise in seemingly realistic and mostly unemotional and amoral storytelling. That is a refreshing anecdote to most movies made these days which are overwrought with it, but maybe done to a fault. Similarities to Homeland's Carrie and the main character are obvious, though crazy Carrie is more sympathetic.

[ChartsandGrafs]

So, I am a government drone? My goodness, this is the first time anyone has ever called me that.

Dude, every single reputable engineering study done on the twin tower collapse confirms what I wrote. Every.single.one.

Now, I am well aware I am wasting my time. I have encountered so many conspiracy theorists in my long life that I know know that things like logic, reason and facts have very little impact on their views.

That is fine. By all means, carry on.

LOL, "reputable". If an engineer agrees with the official story, he's considered "reputable", if he doesn't, he's not.

No proper forensics investigation was ever completed at the scene of the World Trade Center, and certainly not one focused on explosives, as admitted by NIST. This, despite the fact that dozens of eyewitnesses claimed to hear and witness suspicious explosions coming from inside and under the towers.

Biggest crime in American history, no real investigation. Yeah, that sounds legit. I'm sure it was just another coincidence among hundreds in the 9/11 attacks.

The problem is, you have no reason, logic, or facts. All you have is what the government told you and what the media parroted for them later on. At some point, the entire official story for 9/11 rests on, "but the government said so", or, "the government couldn't do that", or, "the government wouldn't do that". That's not reason or logic, it's government drone talk.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Well I guess you figured me out lol. I think the government has too much control over things but I am not as far along as you I guess.

I also have a theory. 1984 is your favorite book, correct?

No, not really. I had a hard time getting through it the first time. The second time went a little smoother, but it's not a favorite.

[gatorman_07732]

You're right. I'm convinced now. The government told the truth. They stopped lying for one day and told us the truth about what happened on 9/11, all out of the kindness of their neocon hearts.

Maybe I should start believing in Santa Claus too?

I'm honestly beginning to think you're sick:yes:

[Allanon]

You must be friends with that professor down at FAU. He likes conspiracy THEORIES too. What about Area 51, Bigfoot, Elvis, and Ratman?

I believe Elvis existed.

[ChartsandGrafs]

I'm honestly beginning to think you're sick:yes:

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

- Krishnamurti

Pro tip: He was talking about people like you, not me.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Back on topic. Is there any hard, credible evidence supporting the narrative of this movie, Zero Dark Thirty? I mean, is there anything - anything all - other than, "government agents said so"?

[ursidman]

OK, F...rtsAndGaffe's hijack aside, anyone else have an opinion on the movie who actually saw it?

I saw it and thought it very very good. Wife liked it as well. I thought the water boarding was depicted without editorial comment from the director and was presented in a matter of fact manner (if you can say that about torture). I understand that water boarding was not responsible in any way for finding UBL but this was a movie and not a documentary and I knew that going in. Go see it. One of the best of the past year.

[tec68]

I believe Elvis existed.

Ok, thanks for that.

I am talking about conspiracy theories. There are a few tied to Elvis....

[gatorev12]

LOL, "reputable". If an engineer agrees with the official story, he's considered "reputable", if he doesn't, he's not.

No proper forensics investigation was ever completed at the scene of the World Trade Center, and certainly not one focused on explosives, as admitted by NIST. This, despite the fact that dozens of eyewitnesses claimed to hear and witness suspicious explosions coming from inside and under the towers.

Biggest crime in American history, no real investigation. Yeah, that sounds legit. I'm sure it was just another coincidence among hundreds in the 9/11 attacks.

The problem is, you have no reason, logic, or facts. All you have is what the government told you and what the media parroted for them later on. At some point, the entire official story for 9/11 rests on, "but the government said so", or, "the government couldn't do that", or, "the government wouldn't do that". That's not reason or logic, it's government drone talk.

LOL...sayz the Disney apologist.

NO detailed criminal investigation was ever undertaken about the whereabouts of Disney corporate executives or the cartoon-humanoid cast of Aladdin (the REAL 9-11 attackers...people just got confused because they assumed they were affiliated with Al Qaeda--the biggest bunch of fakers trying to claim credit for others' work since Shakespeare). The most important entertainment/media company in the world and NO ONE knows where they were or what they were doing. I'm sure it's just a "coincidence."

I'm sure it's just a "coincidence" too that 9/11 happened just 6 years after Disney bought ABC. Getting all their ducks in a row, so to speak. Consolidation of the nation's media and entertainment into one cutesy company. The whole thing's a sham: Disney uses their elite cartoon assassins to silence/stifle opposition to feed the DIC (Disney-Industrial Complex), whose profits have soared ever since.

You have no proof, logic, or reason to combat these facts. The best you can say is: "Snow White wouldn't do that" or "the Jonas brothers are too innocent to participate in that." Sorry pal, that's not reason or logic, that's Jonas brothers fanboy talk.

[Allanon]

Ok, thanks for that.

I am talking about conspiracy theories. There are a few tied to Elvis....

Come on, have a sense of humor.

[ChartsandGrafs]

LOL...sayz the Disney apologist.

NO detailed criminal investigation was ever undertaken about the whereabouts of Disney corporate executives or the cartoon-humanoid cast of Aladdin (the REAL 9-11 attackers...people just got confused because they assumed they were affiliated with Al Qaeda--the biggest bunch of fakers trying to claim credit for others' work since Shakespeare). The most important entertainment/media company in the world and NO ONE knows where they were or what they were doing. I'm sure it's just a "coincidence."

I'm sure it's just a "coincidence" too that 9/11 happened just 6 years after Disney bought ABC. Getting all their ducks in a row, so to speak. Consolidation of the nation's media and entertainment into one cutesy company. The whole thing's a sham: Disney uses their elite cartoon assassins to silence/stifle opposition to feed the DIC (Disney-Industrial Complex), whose profits have soared ever since.

You have no proof, logic, or reason to combat these facts. The best you can say is: "Snow White wouldn't do that" or "the Jonas brothers are too innocent to participate in that." Sorry pal, that's not reason or logic, that's Jonas brothers fanboy talk.


LOL, didn't read.

But cool story anyway!

[gatorev12]

LOL, didn't read.

But cool story anyway!

It honors me to be able to give back. You entertain all of us with your fantastical stories that I figured to return the favor.

[ChartsandGrafs]

It honors me to be able to give back. You entertain all of us with your fantastical stories that I figured to return the favor.

LOL, says the guy who believes in a fantastical story about a dialysis-bound caveman terrorist capable of outfoxing the world's greatest intelligence network while knocking down three skyscrapers with only two airplanes! And all because, "the government says so!"

LOL, thanks for the chuckle!

[gatorev12]

LOL, says the guy who believes in a fantastical story about a dialysis-bound caveman terrorist capable of outfoxing the world's greatest intelligence network while knocking down three skyscrapers with only two airplanes! And all because, "the government says so!"

LOL, thanks for the chuckle!

Laugh all you want, the Jonas Brothers still won't give you backstage passes for blindly leaping to the Mouse's defense by trying to distract the *real* narrative behind 9-11 and the Mouse sending the cast of Aladdin out to hijack those airlines.

You do realize that the Jonas Brothers lyrics pre-condition you to being a sheeple for the Disney corporation, right? Subliminal messaging embedded in the lyrics brainwash you into believing the government is evil--never the while suspecting the Disney corp of their heinous crimes.

[Juggernautz]

According to Jose Rodriguez, National Clandestine Service (D/NCS) of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) not accurate at all

How many movies actually are?

Even the one about Jessica Lynch was way off & countless others as well

[g8orbill]

Hollywood always takes literary license in these movies- it is supposed to be about entertainment-this was not a documentary

hell, we don't really know if the sumbitch is really dead- we have not seen any physical evidence and they supposedly buried him at sea (just for you coco)

[ChartsandGrafs]

...and they supposedly buried him at sea (just for you coco)

If that doesn't tell you how laughably ridiculous this whole story is, consider yourself beyond help. You can't possibly have a fully functioning brain and still believe this malarkey at the same time. It's simply not possibly.

[reformedgator]

You have issues

It looks like he's one of "those people" who can be duped into believing anything.

[gatorman_07732]

It looks like he's one of "those people" who can be duped into believing anything.

9/11 and inside job is about as ignorant and stupid as it gets.

[gatorev12]

I haven't seen the movie yet (I plan on it sometime this week), but I'll give my thoughts on how true-to-life the movie portrays intelligence operations.

Well, I try and keep my word--so I'll say that I had gone into it expecting a lot more than it delivered. Honestly, with as much of a joke as the Hurt Locker was, I'm not quite sure why I was expecting anything from the director, but lesson learned.

Very few things were reflective of actual intelligence or military operations--the dialogue, the behavior, and the tactics/strategy.

If people want to get a better feel for intelligence operations, the tv series Homeland does a far better job at portraying things.

[ChartsandGrafs]

9/11 and inside job is about as ignorant and stupid as it gets.

With the exception of, "the government told us the truth, I just know they did".

[GatorAbe7]

Back on topic. Is there any hard, credible evidence supporting the narrative of this movie, Zero Dark Thirty? I mean, is there anything - anything all - other than, "government agents said so"?

Remember in the movie the Intel Agents told the CIA boss of Maya that he'd have to prove it wasn't OBL's compound before he could prove it was?

Well this kind've question deems similar treatment.

If the U.S. wanted to stage the death of OBL, why would they involve Pakistan, much less doing it a mile from Pakistan's West Point?

Why would they engage an op which lost them a valuable stealth Blackhawk?

Why wouldn't the fake death have occurred during Bush's tenure when he direly needed it?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Remember in the movie the Intel Agents told the CIA boss of Maya that he'd have to prove it wasn't OBL's compound before he could prove it was?

Well this kind've question deems similar treatment.

If the U.S. wanted to stage the death of OBL, why would they involve Pakistan, much less doing it a mile from Pakistan's West Point?

Why would they engage an op which lost them a valuable stealth Blackhawk?

Why wouldn't the fake death have occurred during Bush's tenure when he direly needed it?

Who knows? The point is, there's absolutely no hard, independently verifiable evidence for the alleged May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden. No body. No video. No DNA. No nothing. The whole story is so totally ridiculous and filled with holes that I'm surprised so many people accept it as the gospel.

"But the government said so", LOL.

[gatorev12]

[QUOTE=ChartsandGrafs;6330844]Who knows? The point is, there's absolutely no hard, independently verifiable evidence for the alleged May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden. No body. No video. No DNA. No nothing. The whole story is so totally ridiculous and filled with holes that I'm surprised so many people accept it as the gospel.


The amusing part is that--even if the government provided over everything you're requesting here (complete forensic evidence), you'd STILL "question" it--and/or completely reject everything that was provided to you with some statement amounting to "the government always lies."

I guess Al Qaeda acknowledged the death of Bin Laden for the pure hell of it, right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20060382.html

"But the government said so", LOL


No, The Mouse told you so. Because he controls your every thought and you allow him to in order to maintain the illusion that Snow White and the Jonas brothers think you're cool. LOLzzz

After all, you can't prove me wrong the Disney is an evil corporation hell-bent on worldwide power and control

[ChartsandGrafs]

"It's true, Al-Qaeda said so", LOL.

Like I said, no evidence whatsoever. The whole thing is based on, "______ said so".

[Row6]

Well, I try and keep my word--so I'll say that I had gone into it expecting a lot more than it delivered. Honestly, with as much of a joke as the Hurt Locker was, I'm not quite sure why I was expecting anything from the director, but lesson learned.

Very few things were reflective of actual intelligence or military operations--the dialogue, the behavior, and the tactics/strategy.

If people want to get a better feel for intelligence operations, the tv series Homeland does a far better job at portraying things.

I know nothing about "actual intelligence operations" and so am curious about what you found fault with in the movie. Did you see it as wrong, or just lacking detail?. I was less than overwhelmed by the movie for reasons having to do with what I consider artistic decisions. I still thought it was good, but not great. I have also watched Homeland - which I like - and wonder specifically how you think it is more accurate in it's depiction of intelligence operations.

[gatorev12]

I know nothing about "actual intelligence operations" and so am curious about what you found fault with in the movie. Did you see it as wrong, or just lacking detail?. I was less than overwhelmed by the movie for reasons having to do with what I consider artistic decisions. I still thought it was good, but not great. I have also watched Homeland - which I like - and wonder specifically how you think it is more accurate in it's depiction of intelligence operations.

A little bit of both (it being wrong and lacking detail). I was never on the hunt for Bin Laden and don't have any specifics to pass along (and it's likely I wouldn't be able to discuss it anyway even if I did know) on that note...but the blatantly obvious stuff:

1.) analysts don't participate in interrogations (though, in fairness, Homeland gets that wrong as well)

2.) the scene where the two ladies are talking about personal details about themselves, sources, and operational details over dinner at a hotel in Pakistan was utterly implausible. If you're in a country like that on the frontlines of the War on Terror, you're given a cover identity and stick to that name and details the entire time. That's for your own personal protection and to protect family/relatives back home. If terrorists overseas learn your real name, what's the easier target: going after you in Pakistan (where you'll be armed and/or close by other armed people)--or going after your family and getting to you that way?

3.) Additionally, while I realize the producers have artistic license to emphasize how dedicated/stoic the protagonist was--suffice it to say, the character went well overboard on what would have been tolerated/allowed. For one, you don't talk to your bosses like the way she routinely talked to hers (unless you want to be fired)--and two, the whole scene with her and the markers, chalking up the number of days after they found the house? --that would never be tolerated at Langley. Obviously, the number gives some clue for someone to figure out a "break" of some sorts had been made--or there's a timetable to go by. With an organization as obsessed with keeping things as discrete as possible, that kind of behavior would have never been tolerated.

Operational stuff? They didn't go into too many details there beyond what was already public knowledge...but suffice it to say, Navy SEALs don't go bragging about which guys they popped while on a mission. Once a target is eliminated, they go about to their next task and certainly don't brag about it or casually discuss it while still on the mission.

Homeland does a much better job covering the multifaceted angles/problems/strategy of intelligence operations. The movie pretty much fixated on one idea/one angle the entire time and nothing else was discussed. Perhaps the movie couldn't delve into it too much because the producers didn't know how to incorporate it in--but it's a shame because it would have made a much better movie all-round, and certainly more suspenseful/thrilling.

[Row6]

A little bit of both (it being wrong and lacking detail). I was never on the hunt for Bin Laden and don't have any specifics to pass along (and it's likely I wouldn't be able to discuss it anyway even if I did know) on that note...but the blatantly obvious stuff:

1.) analysts don't participate in interrogations (though, in fairness, Homeland gets that wrong as well)

2.) the scene where the two ladies are talking about personal details about themselves, sources, and operational details over dinner at a hotel in Pakistan was utterly implausible. If you're in a country like that on the frontlines of the War on Terror, you're given a cover identity and stick to that name and details the entire time. That's for your own personal protection and to protect family/relatives back home. If terrorists overseas learn your real name, what's the easier target: going after you in Pakistan (where you'll be armed and/or close by other armed people)--or going after your family and getting to you that way?

3.) Additionally, while I realize the producers have artistic license to emphasize how dedicated/stoic the protagonist was--suffice it to say, the character went well overboard on what would have been tolerated/allowed. For one, you don't talk to your bosses like the way she routinely talked to hers (unless you want to be fired)--and two, the whole scene with her and the markers, chalking up the number of days after they found the house? --that would never be tolerated at Langley. Obviously, the number gives some clue for someone to figure out a "break" of some sorts had been made--or there's a timetable to go by. With an organization as obsessed with keeping things as discrete as possible, that kind of behavior would have never been tolerated.

Operational stuff? They didn't go into too many details there beyond what was already public knowledge...but suffice it to say, Navy SEALs don't go bragging about which guys they popped while on a mission. Once a target is eliminated, they go about to their next task and certainly don't brag about it or casually discuss it while still on the mission.

Homeland does a much better job covering the multifaceted angles/problems/strategy of intelligence operations. The movie pretty much fixated on one idea/one angle the entire time and nothing else was discussed. Perhaps the movie couldn't delve into it too much because the producers didn't know how to incorporate it in--but it's a shame because it would have made a much better movie all-round, and certainly more suspenseful/thrilling.

OK, thanks. That adds to my understanding. On the SEALS scene after the raid, I was surprised on how little celebration was shown. I understand the professionalism, but adrenaline coupled with the significance of the achievement would result in a little more high-fiving I would think. Heck, my obscure and limited talent adult soccer team seemed more excited after a win.

[gatorev12]

OK, thanks. That adds to my understanding. On the SEALS scene after the raid, I was surprised on how little celebration was shown. I understand the professionalism, but adrenaline coupled with the significance of the achievement would result in a little more high-fiving I would think. Heck, my obscure and limited talent adult soccer team seemed more excited after a win.

As you said, they're professionals. Time is of the essence on those missions and every second spent high-fiving one another is time taken away from something else.

After Bin Laden was shot, they still needed to blow up the downed helicopter, collect as much intelligence material as possible, and then high-tailing it out of there before the Pakistani military could react.

[m9000]

I saw last Friday night and found it entertaining. It is a movie based on real life, but it is a movie, not a documentary.

[Lawdog88]

it is indeed. And it is based on a really bad guy getting a bullet to the head.



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[DaveFla]

I just saw this movie... Excellent movie. Very Argo-esque.

I highly recommend it. They left politics out of it as best they could (save for a couple of "what WMD's" remarks that I felt were apropos due to the fact that the government was very hesitant to do anything for fear of being crucified for being wrong... Again).

Go see it.

[gatorev12]

On a lighter note, the ending scene when she gets to go home in a plane all by herself...I kinda laughed because of all the planes to reward someone with--they send a C-130. Easily the most uncomfortable non-Soviet made plane in the known universe.

[DaveFla]

On a lighter note, the ending scene when she gets to go home in a plane all by herself...I kinda laughed because of all the planes to reward someone with--they send a C-130. Easily the most uncomfortable non-Soviet made plane in the known universe.

I was thinking the same thing. Little does she know, she is in for one long, noisy and uncomfortable trip.