Spread option

[gator1986]

They said the spread option wouldn't work in the NFL that the NFL defenses are too fast... Well, welcome Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers to new spread offense to the NFL that gashed Green Bay last night... Knew it would happen...

[Allanon]

They said the spread option wouldn't work in the NFL that the NFL defenses are too fast... Well, welcome Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers to new spread offense to the NFL that gashed Green Bay last night... Knew it would happen...

Mort is now giddy over the spread option.

[gator1986]

Funny huh?!?! It would never work! The defenses are too quick! Hahaha such a joke, I don't get how if it works in college against players, how it won't work against the same players in the NFL... Tebow would be just as good in the 49ers offense..

[GatorJeff]

They said the spread option wouldn't work in the NFL that the NFL defenses are too fast... Well, welcome Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers to new spread offense to the NFL that gashed Green Bay last night... Knew it would happen...

That long Kaepernick run reminded me of Driskel's 70 yarder vs. Vanderbilt.

[gator1986]

That long Kaepernick run reminded me of Driskel's 70 yarder vs. Vanderbilt.

He burned the secondary too!! Boys has some wheels!

[Gatorrick22]

They said the spread option wouldn't work in the NFL that the NFL defenses are too fast... Well, welcome Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers to new spread offense to the NFL that gashed Green Bay last night... Knew it would happen...

Yeah, when Tebow ran it it was a joke or a band-aid for a QB that can't play the traditional pocket QB position.

NFL analysts (ESPiN people) are hypocrites/haters.

[gator1986]

Yeah, when Tebow ran it it was a joke or a band-aid for a QB that can't play the traditional pocket QB position.

NFL analysts (ESPiN people) are hypocrites/haters.

I agree!! Tim needs to find a team that will do what the 49ers have done for Colin! I love how when Tebow ran the ball that meant he couldn't throw, but when he threw it was to elongated and he dropped his hand too much.. Now Colin pushes the ball half the the time and is perfect! No offense to him I hope he succeeds and shows the NFL the spread option works in the NFL... NFL defense have shown recently they do not have a clue on how to defend the spread, NFL defenses are used to single back, I formations, and simple shotgun... That's the normal they made for the NFL

[jms]

Lets hope an NFL GM or Head coach see it the we all do!

[Gatorrick22]

I agree!! Tim needs to find a team that will do what the 49ers have done for Colin! I love how when Tebow ran the ball that meant he couldn't throw, but when he threw it was to elongated and he dropped his hand too much.. Now Colin pushes the ball half the the time and is perfect! No offense to him I hope he succeeds and shows the NFL the spread option works in the NFL... NFL defense have shown recently they do not have a clue on how to defend the spread, NFL defenses are used to single back, I formations, and simple shotgun... That's the normal they made for the NFL

The more I look back and remember all the crap the so-called experts said about Tim's throwing motion the more I realize it was all made-up bunk. There a quit a few QB's with weird quirky throwing motions in the NFL that do okay.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Any offense can work in any league.

[gator1986]

The more I look back and remember all the crap the so-called experts said about Tim's throwing motion the more I realize it was all made-up bunk. There a quit a few QB's with weird quirky throwing motions in the NFL that do okay.

There was a QB out of BYU named Steve Young who had en elongated throwing motion, and wa a lefty who by NFL experts standards shouldn't of made it in the NFL!

[Gatorrick22]

Any offense can work in any league.

Now yes, but when Tebow came into the league..........he!! no.

[gator1986]

Any offense can work in any league.

Well the " Experts " they say not so fast. Because in the NFL they're faster! Well that's because every team runs out of the same offensive styles so the defense knows what's coming! If you run a spread, like last night, you can see how easily confused players like AJ Hawk, who benefit playing in these slow developing NFL offenses, get from the spread. And it's not a knock on AJ Hawk but my personal belief is that he's a product of his conference ( Big 10 ) which is single back/I formations and they're really slow developing... He shines against teams like that... Last night he was confused an got burned multiple times!

[BobK89]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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[gator1986]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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Slow it down, not stop it... They had a spy on Colin last night it never worked. I'm just saying if it works against players like AJ Hawk in college, how would if not work against them in the NFL?

[AzCatFan]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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Just like Monte Kiffen did at USC...oh wait. He couldn't stop it with some of the best recruits in the country.

[gator1986]

Just like Monte Kiffen did at USC...oh wait. He couldn't stop it with some of the best recruits in the country.

Perfect! NFL is so hell bent on not getting the spread option in their league they want to stick to the traditional boring plays, I personally think its because some coaches are worried about getting gashed...

[Gatorrick22]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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Really? If a QB can throw it like Tom Brady but can also run like a tight-end/receiver then how do you make any progress in stopping him with the same 11 guys on defense?

It's like adding nitrous to you car's engine...... It makes it run faster, harder to stop.

[gator1986]

Really? If a QB can throw it like Tom Brady but can also run like a tight-end/receiver then how do you make any progress in stopping him with the same 11 guys on defense?

It's like adding nitrous to you car's engine...... It makes it run faster, harder to stop.

Zing! Imagine taking Tebow with some of oregon's running backs, Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, both pounceys, and a possession receiver... Scary....

[G8R92]

Was San Francisco running the spread option a few weeks ago against Seattle?

[gatormatt75]

Slow it down, not stop it... They had a spy on Colin last night it never worked. I'm just saying if it works against players like AJ Hawk in college, how would if not work against them in the NFL?

I remember in 2007 Muschamp put Blackmon as a spy on Tebow and it was effective. Granted Auburn also ran a ball control offense that kept Tebow and the offense on the sideline but that was our lowest point total of the season. We scored 17 in the first half and were shut out in the 2nd if I remember correctly.

[iam4uf]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

Ummmm, they saw this type of offense last year with Tebow, saw it run here & there in the NFL over the years, saw it at the college level, etc. Players make plays, they are > the scheme.

[gator1986]

Was San Francisco running the spread option a few weeks ago against Seattle?

Yea, but I give it time... I think Colin has settled in, lets see if they play again how it is this time, like I said it will be slowed down by teams not stopped by all... I think Colin is growing more into that offense every week, he looked scary good yesterday running... He didn't do that much against Seattle..

[gator1986]

I remember in 2007 Muschamp put Blackmon as a spy on Tebow and it was effective. Granted Auburn also ran a ball control offense that kept Tebow and the offense on the sideline but that was our lowest point total of the season. We scored 17 in the first half and were shut out in the 2nd if I remember correctly.

And yes your correct, but how many times was Tebow and the spread actually slowed down that year in the SEC? It can be slowed down that for sure, but it's going to gash more teams then anything else IMO...

[100percentgator]

I remember in 2007 Muschamp put Blackmon as a spy on Tebow and it was effective. Granted Auburn also ran a ball control offense that kept Tebow and the offense on the sideline but that was our lowest point total of the season. We scored 17 in the first half and were shut out in the 2nd if I remember correctly.

Actually we were shut out in the first half. I think it was 10-0 auburn.

[gator1986]

Actually we were shut out in the first half. I think it was 10-0 auburn.

Either way they kicked a field goal to win, I remember that I was there

[rserina]

Niners don't run a spread option. They run a bunch of zone read plays, but much of what they do is out of multiple tight ends sets. Plus, it isn't like what they ran last night was their base offense or anything this year. San Francisco is a power run offense built around a high volume back in Gore and a great offensive line, with one of the best tight ends around able to stretch that middle of the field deep and some decent receivers. Throw all that at you and it becomes far tougher to defend quarterback runs.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Niners don't run a spread option. They run a bunch of zone read plays, but much of what they do is out of multiple tight ends sets. Plus, it isn't like what they ran last night was their base offense or anything this year. San Francisco is a power run offense built around a high volume back in Gore and a great offensive line, with one of the best tight ends around able to stretch that middle of the field deep and some decent receivers. Throw all that at you and it becomes far tougher to defend quarterback runs.

True. Rich Rodriguez had the spread option cooking with Pat White and Steve Slaton. THAT was a fun offense to watch for a few years.

[100percentgator]

Either way they kicked a field goal to win, I remember that I was there

Same here. We got the ball back after the field goal and couldn't do anything with it. Very strange game. All those weapons and lost to auburn.

[gator1986]

Niners don't run a spread option. They run a bunch of zone read plays, but much of what they do is out of multiple tight ends sets. Plus, it isn't like what they ran last night was their base offense or anything this year. San Francisco is a power run offense built around a high volume back in Gore and a great offensive line, with one of the best tight ends around able to stretch that middle of the field deep and some decent receivers. Throw all that at you and it becomes far tougher to defend quarterback runs.

They are a power offense, but if you watched them last night and the last couple weeks they run a spread offense, which a spread offense involves zone reads. QB's have to be able to read the defense in spread option, you hand it off to the running back, fake the hand off and run yourself, or fake the hand off and pass it, and you do all that by reading the defense in a shotgun set and spreading the field with 4/5 receivers... Which is the spread option, and zone reads go along with that offense, and yes they're definitely a power offense too, there's no doubt about that.

[og8trz]

The experts who said defenses are too fast on the NFL assume the offensive players aren't better too !

That is like offenses grind down defenses, but I have never heard of an offense getting tired

[gator1986]

The experts who said defenses are too fast on the NFL assume the offensive players aren't better too !

That is like offenses grind down defenses, but I have never heard of an offense getting tired

Nicely said..

[Brodeur]

They are a power offense, but if you watched them last night and the last couple weeks they run a spread offense, which a spread offense involves zone reads. QB's have to be able to read the defense in spread option, you hand it off to the running back, fake the hand off and run yourself, or fake the hand off and pass it, and you do all that by reading the defense in a shotgun set and spreading the field with 4/5 receivers... Which is the spread option, and zone reads go along with that offense, and yes they're definitely a power offense too, there's no doubt about that.

But I think rserina's point is that the 49ers very rarely put 4/5 receivers on the field and ran those option plays. They usually ran those plays out of tighter formations, so labeling them a spread option offense might no incorrect.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

If you had the right players you could run the triple option in the NFL.

Speed is not a contributing factor to stopping a scheme. Predictability and familiarity, sure, but not speed. Any adjustments in speed (from high school to college, from the WAC to the SEC, from college to the NFL) exist on both sides of the ball.

[rserina]

But I think rserina's point is that the 49ers very rarely put 4/5 receivers on the field and ran those option plays. They usually ran those plays out of tighter formations, so labeling them a spread option offense might no incorrect.
Precisely. I didn't notice much stuff out of the spread from them this year, but I also did not watch them that much.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

If you had the right players you could run the triple option in the NFL.

Speed is not a contributing factor to stopping a scheme. Predictability and familiarity, sure, but not speed. Any adjustments in speed (from high school to college, from the WAC to the SEC, from college to the NFL) exist on both sides of the ball.

Speed is a huge factor in stopping a scheme, and it's the primary reason an exclusive, option-based offense doesn't fly in the pros. Linebackers who can get sideline-to-sideline quickly pretty much stifles that scheme in the pros.

Think about what Stanford used to stifle the Oregon attack. Guys who were smart AND fast, who were also able to get in the backfield. You can have the fundamentals down all you want, but ultimately it doesn't matter if you're players aren't fast enough to get to the ball.

That's why the Ducks have had problems against the Auburn and LSU defenses, and the gimmick doesn't work against disciplined defenses who are able to get to the ball and run with those backs.

[gator1986]

Precisely. I didn't notice much stuff out of the spread from them this year, but I also did not watch them that much.

What they do is tight formation out of the shotgun with about 4 receivers obviously ones including Vernon Davis, but then they run the zone read, option I call it spread simply because there's still 4 receivers, great running backs, and a QB that can run... If those receivers all do out routes to the sideline that would be considered a spread offense then by spreading the field and letting the QB either hand off, run, or pass?

[NoahBeanBizzel]

The only reason the zone read/read option plays are hot in the pros right now, is because RG3, Wilson and Kaepernick can all throw. Their ability to see the field and throw the ball prohibits the linebackers and safeties from cheating up, and they have to respect the pass. That opens up their ability to run, and their respective staffs are creative enough to get them out on the perimeter to make plays in the running game.

I don't believe you'll ever see a true triple option-type attack work in the NFL. You'll see different variations of the zone option incorporated into the league, but nothing like what Paul Johnons runs would ever fly. The safeties and linebackers are simply to fast to ever allow that type of attack to consistently work.

[gator1986]

Speed is a huge factor in stopping a scheme, and it's the primary reason an exclusive, option-based offense doesn't fly in the pros. Linebackers who can get sideline-to-sideline quickly pretty much stifles that scheme in the pros.

Think about what Stanford used to stifle the Oregon attack. Guys who were smart AND fast, who were also able to get in the backfield. You can have the fundamentals down all you want, but ultimately it doesn't matter if you're players aren't fast enough to get to the ball.

That's why the Ducks have had problems against the Auburn and LSU defenses, and the gimmick doesn't work against disciplined defenses who are able to get to the ball and run with those backs.

Agree 100% speed has a lot to do with how a team functions either offensively or defensively... If you have a team like Oregon who are all speed burners, and a defense like in the SEC who can run with them then it becomes a stalemate.. I remember auburn had like the 8th best defense..... In the SEC!!!!!! That year they played against Oregon the fasted paced, fastest team in college football, and they held them to practically nothing.. Then LSU the following year was even worse, if you have size and speed on defense you will win every game.... If you just have size ( Ohio st ) you lose

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Speed is a huge factor in stopping a scheme, and it's the primary reason an exclusive, option-based offense doesn't fly in the pros. Linebackers who can get sideline-to-sideline quickly pretty much stifles that scheme in the pros.

If everyone upgrades equally fast this is totally moot. Speed really isn't even the deciding factor, it's recognition.

[whitelakegator]

Give NFL D coordinators a year to break it down on film. They'll find a way to stop it.

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This. Play assignment football. Contain. The run and shoot actually worked for a couple years too. People will probably go crazy over this but CK is way faster than Tebow.

[rserina]

What they do is tight formation out of the shotgun with about 4 receivers obviously ones including Vernon Davis, but then they run the zone read, option I call it spread simply because there's still 4 receivers, great running backs, and a QB that can run... If those receivers all do out routes to the sideline that would be considered a spread offense then by spreading the field and letting the QB either hand off, run, or pass?
To some degree, yes, but the tight bunch stuff isn't really spread and they certainly don't run any triple option. There are plenty of pro teams who run read stuff. Regardless, I agree with you that it can work if you have enough talent with the right skill set. The problem is that there aren't a ton of quarterbacks who can run the option stuff and throw in the spread stuff at an effective enough level professionally. If I had my druthers, given the direction of the league's defensive rules, I would go with the spread pass attack over the option any day.

[gator1986]

The only reason the zone read/read option plays are hot in the pros right now, is because RG3, Wilson and Kaepernick can all throw. Their ability to see the field and throw the ball prohibits the linebackers and safeties to cheat up, and they have to respect the pass. That opens up their ability to run, and their respective staffs are creative enough to get them out on the perimeter to make plays in the running game.

I don't believe you'll ever see a true triple option-type attack work in the NFL. You'll see different variations of the zone option incorporated into the league, but nothing like what Paul Johnons runs would ever fly. The safeties and linebackers are simply to fast to ever allow that type of attack to consistently work.

Yea that wouldn't work, I wasn't referring to the triple anyways. But a lot of coaches I can tell are slowly starting to implement their own version of spread offense into their playbook, and I have to just it's about got damn time!

[gator1986]

This. Play assignment football. Contain. The run and shoot actually worked for a couple years too. People will probably go crazy over this but CK is way faster than Tebow.

Not go crazy it's true lol but Tebow runs a 4.5 right? I can't see Colin being much faster maybe because he's taller and has longer legs so longer strides make him look quicker??

[NoahBeanBizzel]

If everyone upgrades equally fast this is totally moot. Speed really isn't even the deciding factor, it's recognition.

Although it's odd that the faster team has won the last seven national championships. :whoa:

[gator1986]

To some degree, yes, but the tight bunch stuff isn't really spread and they certainly don't run any triple option. There are plenty of pro teams who run read stuff. Regardless, I agree with you that it can work if you have enough talent with the right skill set. The problem is that there aren't a ton of quarterbacks who can run the option stuff and throw in the spread stuff at an effective enough level professionally. If I had my druthers, given the direction of the league's defensive rules, I would go with the spread pass attack over the option any day.

Agreed.. I think the spread option read would work real good with the right running backs one on left and right, a good mobile QB, and 3/4 receivers... NFL defenses are so used to the same offenses being ran, I believe that if a team just up and switched to that kind of offense, it would take the NFL by storm, nobody gives it a shot...

[sleeze]

Alot of teams are multiple. You have to be i think in this day in age. People get caught up in wanting to call a offense a specific name. When alot of the good teams and coordinators sprinkle in a little bit of everything.

49ers use some elements of the Pistol to 5 wr spread.

I always said that if Paul Johnson would use a little bit of Run and shoot with his triple option then his offense would be unstoppable. I think it can be done even with the limited practice time college teams get compared to the nfl

[gator1986]

Alot of teams are multiple. You have to be i think in this day in age. People get caught up in wanting to call a offense a specific name. When alot of the good teams and coordinators sprinkle in a little bit of everything.

49ers use some elements of the Pistol to 5 wr spread.

Pistol is another great under used offense..

[Gatuar]

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

[gator1986]

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

Damn Tebow has gotten slower!! Lol but yes very much a better power runner, and tebow a deep ball pass to me is beautiful...

[sleeze]

Damn Tebow has gotten slower!! Lol but yes very much a better power runner, and tebow a deep ball pass to me is beautiful...

And Colin got faster

[gator1986]

And Colin got faster

He's built like a beast too man..

[Gatuar]

On their best day I'm sure Tebow a 235 lbs not 251 could run a high 4.5 40

But Kap could post a low 4.4

[iam4uf]

Colin runs a 4.53

Tebow a 4.72

Colin has much better top end

Tebow more effective with power running

Colin is a better passer on intermediate routes

It's not often that a QB has a chance to run 40 yards. For this position, I'd rather have the short yardage speed, ability to create missed tackles & size to shrug off defenders while in the pocket. When Tebow gets past the line/linebackers he's up against a corner/safety that he outweighs by 50/40 pounds & I'd take Tebow there. Tebow's short throws weren't bad until he tried to change his motion in order to be a pocket passer.

Tebow vs Kaepernick
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55 vs 1.62
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2 vs 32
Broad Jump: 09'07" vs same
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.17 vs 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 6.66 vs 6.85

[AFCyberGator]

The big difference between the NFL and college football is that in the NFL, the spread, spread-option, zone read, and wildcat are all part of a multiple offensive attack that runs all or some of those types of so-called gimmicky plays and formations with a base "pro-style" offense. A college team will run a spread or zone-read exclusively, because that is all they can run. A pro team will run those plays and formations anywhere from 0% to 50% of the time, but will always default to a "pro-style" offense. Maybe that number will grow to 80% or 90%, but only if NFL defenses do not adjust. Typically when NFL offenses change, the defenses will change a couple years later. We have seen the spread* in the NFL for a couple years now, so I expect to see defenses modify pass rusher to double as a spy. More specifically, I expect to see the 3-4 defenses move the rover/buck to that spy role and 4-3 defenses to swap a DE for a smaller rover/buck for that spy. Or, I would expect the defenses to be less concerned about hitting the QB in the backfield and containing, and disrupting the point of attack where the zone-read is occurring (as opposed to collapsing the pocket around the edges and opening bubbles for the screen).

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Although it's odd that the faster team has won the last seven national championships. :whoa:

I think you misunderstand. Speed is useful and can be a deciding factor between dissonant teams playing each other. But the SEC's speed advantage is on both sides of the ball.

[socraticsilence]

Agree 100% speed has a lot to do with how a team functions either offensively or defensively... If you have a team like Oregon who are all speed burners, and a defense like in the SEC who can run with them then it becomes a stalemate.. I remember auburn had like the 8th best defense..... In the SEC!!!!!! That year they played against Oregon the fasted paced, fastest team in college football, and they held them to practically nothing.. Then LSU the following year was even worse, if you have size and speed on defense you will win every game.... If you just have size ( Ohio st ) you lose

Didn't the Ducks score 17 and 24 in those two games- their problem was defense,

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I think you misunderstand. Speed is useful and can be a deciding factor between dissonant teams playing each other. But the SEC's speed advantage is on both sides of the ball.

No, you're missing my point. Speed in the back seven is the primary reason you don't see-and haven't seen for a while-an exclusive option attack in the NFL. Your original point was that speed has nothing to do with stopping a certain type of offense, and I'm saying that it has everything to do with why you don't see an option offense in the pros. No team is going to have five franchise offensive linemen, who can pull like the Pouncey twins, are as big as Bryant McKinnie, and have footwork like Tony Boselli. That will never happen. Ever.

That's what you would essentially need to have a shot at running the triple option offense in the NFL. Even then I'd question whether or not it would work. I'd have to see it to believe it. If you want to make up an unrealistic scenario where a team had that kind of talent across the offensive line, and argue that the triple option would work if it did, then go ahead. But I'm telling you that speed across the line of scrimmage (particularly over the last fifteen years), and speed in the back seven, will never allow a triple option offense work in the NFL.

[PIMking]

spread option? it's not really an option, only one play is an option

[gator1986]

spread option? it's not really an option, only one play is an option

No you spread out and can option to the running back, or yourself...

[gator1986]

Didn't the Ducks score 17 and 24 in those two games- their problem was defense,

Right that's what I said SEC has speed on defense...

[Swampmaster]

mort and merrill hoge--hate the spread option

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Didn't the Ducks score 17 and 24 in those two games- their problem was defense,

Scoring 17 or 24 points isn't even half of the 50-plus points they averaged per game. If you hold a team to less than half of what they put up per game, you're basically shutting them down.

[rserina]

Didn't the Ducks score 17 and 24 in those two games- their problem was defense,
17 and 24 points given the speed of Oregon's offense is hardly successful. Then again, their skill players weren't the quality of the back seven Auburn or LSU had, which is the key to making any scheme work in the league.

[gator1986]

mort and merrill hoge--hate the spread option

Lol hoge is a numb nut

[Jonas]

If everyone upgrades equally fast this is totally moot. Speed really isn't even the deciding factor, it's recognition.

I don't think that is necessarily true because the physical size of the field stays the same. If the horizontal distance of the field scaled the same way speed did, then I'd say it would be the same.

Somethings are based on just the relative difference between offense and defense, others depend on absolute values.

[geauxgator1]

All the non athletic QB's hate the spread, for obvious reasons. Looks like it's hear to stay, as now so many qb's are dual threats. Like everything else that is new, it meets with resistance. There have never been so many qb's that could run and throw. Kaepernick is really unbelievable. Way underrated coming out of school.

[geauxgator1]

On their best day I'm sure Tebow a 235 lbs not 251 could run a high 4.5 40

But Kap could post a low 4.4

He said his best time ever was 4.43....

[gator85jd]

Zing! Imagine taking Tebow with some of oregon's running backs, Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, both pounceys, and a possession receiver... Scary....

Not so fast. Spurrier tried to re-create a UF team during his experiment with the Redskins. We all remember the results. I don't think taking the same players from any college team and expecting the same results at the next level is a good idea.

[gator1986]

Not so fast. Spurrier tried to re-create a UF team during his experiment with the Redskins. We all remember the results. I don't think taking the same players from any college team and expecting the same results at the next level is a good idea.

Jeez lee corso......... Gawsh!

[sleeze]

Not so fast. Spurrier tried to re-create a UF team during his experiment with the Redskins. We all remember the results. I don't think taking the same players from any college team and expecting the same results at the next level is a good idea.

Spurrier didnt have the talent.thats for sure

[JerseyGator01]

The Redskins had the win yesterday mentality when Spurrier was there by acquiring old has beens for their defense when they hired the Bengals' current HC to be their DC for one year. Bruce Smith got his sack record I believe during Spurrier's first year. Spurrier reluctantly played GM since the Skins didn't really have one.

Defenses may be bigger and smarter in the NFL but they're not really noticeably faster.

[gator1986]

^^^^^ agree with both above

[GatorLaw]

If Tim's performance in Denver was any indication, he doesn't throw the ball anywhere near as well as Kaeperlink (sp?) or any of the other young QBs who use some variation of a read option like Griffin and Wilson. Sorry but that's a fact, just look at his stats and QB rating. IIRC he had the lowest completion percentage and lowest QB rating of any starting QB in the league when he was with Denver.

That doesn't mean he couldn't be successful but unless he's improved by spending a year watching Sanchez show how not to do it he will need a lot of work at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball before he's in Kaeperlink's (or Griffin or Wilson's) league as a passing QB.

[GatorBen]

This thread seems to be based on equating a read option play with a spread option offense, but they aren't necessarily the same.

That said, as mentioned above the difference between the QBs running it this year and Tebow is that they all seem to be better passers than Tim with the possible exception of on fly and deep post routes, which Tim has always seemed to throw pretty well.

[Gatorrick22]

Zing! Imagine taking Tebow with some of oregon's running backs, Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez, both pounceys, and a possession receiver... Scary....

With the right coaches and team-mates around him, Tebow would be unstoppable. But then the haters would just say that it's the talent around him that makes him look better than he really is. Of course all NFL QB's are in that same boat, but Tim would be singled out for it. Haters gonna hate.

[gator1986]

This thread seems to be based on equating a read option play with a spread option offense, but they aren't necessarily the same.

That said, as mentioned above the difference between the QBs running it this year and Tebow is that they all seem to be better passers than Tim with the possible exception of on fly and deep post routes, which Tim has always seemed to throw pretty well.

What I was trying to get at is coaches implementing their own styles of spread offense and read, and technically the way the 49ers ran it against Green Bay it was mixture of both...

[dawny]

Tim and Kap are 2 different QBs completely,arm strength,power,speed and the ability to read defenses.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I don't think that is necessarily true because the physical size of the field stays the same. If the horizontal distance of the field scaled the same way speed did, then I'd say it would be the same.

And this would probably be a valid point if the issue is the ball always being run through the sideline, but that isn't what I see. I think the primary problem has been an inability to exploit all facets of the game with the spread, to mix things up enough to keep clever, well-trained athletes from easily recognizing the play.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Keep in mind that the difference between a 4.2 and a 4.5 doesn't even account for a single yard lost in game speed.

[nflgator]

NFL QB's throw the ball abt. 40 to 50 times a game. Most teams don't really feature the RB anymore. Think 6' 5" QB and 4 or 5 WR's at 6' 4" or more.
The league is ready for the Read Option.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

NFL QB's throw the ball abt. 40 to 50 times a game. Most teams don't really feature the RB anymore. Think 6' 5" QB and 4 or 5 WR's at 6' 4" or more.
The league is ready for the Read Option.

This started to happening a little bit the day Vince Young was drafted, but these things take a long time in the NFL. I do wonder if the adaptation to the spread will last long enough to render it largely outmoded, as happened with the West Coast.

[gator1986]

NFL QB's throw the ball abt. 40 to 50 times a game. Most teams don't really feature the RB anymore. Think 6' 5" QB and 4 or 5 WR's at 6' 4" or more.
The league is ready for the Read Option.

Your right... They usually have 3/4 running backs who can all play, and usually 3/4 reliable receivers, I really think the days of always playing pro style is over, it going to be a cesspool of all different types of offenses soon

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I would call a variety of offenses a boon, and frankly the only time the NFL is really interesting is during these times of flux.

[gatorlaw71]

Although it's odd that the faster team has won the last seven national championships. :whoa:

Funny. I thought that the conventional wisdom was that the SEC teams won because they played tougher smash-mouth football.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

SEC teams win because they are stronger, faster, and better coached.

[gator1986]

SEC teams win because they are stronger, faster, and better coached.

That's correct

[socraticsilence]

Funny. I thought that the conventional wisdom was that the SEC teams won because they played tougher smash-mouth football.

Um... Who said that? It's defensive line speed and depth- we were by no means a smash mouth team in 2006 (we were I'm 2008 which kind of undermines the belief by some that the spread option can't be power football our 2008 and 2009 teams were the best rushing offenses in gator history by most stats) , auburn was a pretty pure spread option team ala the Ducks.