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Socom1

01-12-2013, 10:13 PM

I have to believe that Bronco fans were more happy with the outcome of last season versus this season. Remember Broncs were big underdogs against the #1 defense last year on road. This year they were the biggest favorite at home of any player team. Throw in there receivers with one year more experience and a top 2 NFL defense and I can say PM disappointed. They also don't have a whole lot of money left to replace there dumb-ass secondary.

denvergator1987

01-12-2013, 10:23 PM

I'm sure my co-worker Broncos fans are going to be very bummed on Monday. They were all talking about how the donkeys were going to blow out the Ravens. All over Denver, bars had signs "Official Ray Lewis Retirement Party". They were so confidenof a huge win...very similar to how Gator Nation thought about Louisville...

ArtDeco

01-12-2013, 10:26 PM

They were so confidenof a huge win...very similar to how Gator Nation thought about Louisville...

Not true...I didn't give two s**ts about Lewisville, nor, apparently, did the Gator football team.

Socom1

01-12-2013, 10:29 PM

Not saying PM has not had a great career but if Tebow had done some of the dumb-ass stuff PM did he would be crucified by the press. Horrible game that would have been worse without Denver's special The run is not respected by opposing teams when playing Denver. There Defense won their games this year. Still don't know how Safety let receiver behind him.

ufgator4ever

01-12-2013, 10:34 PM

They failed in Tebow time.
As will the jaguars, in london or los angeles.

Socom1

01-12-2013, 10:38 PM

I guess running QBs can work in the NFL.

ArtDeco

01-12-2013, 10:39 PM

There's a little Peyton love going on in the other thread that makes me sick. Listen to this karma. Daddy's boy went against his Daddy's college, which also happened to be his favorite team growing up as a kid. Peyton forsake the red and blue for that puke orange at UT. Benedict Arnold.
Never beat Florida or got out of our shadow. Incomplete legacy.
Came into Denver as the Savior, actually became the reason for Tebow's ouster. Sent home from the playoffs at exactly the same level Tebow left them.

Meanwhile, easygoing brother Eli did what he wanted, went to party school Ole Miss, took on the "media frenzy" of New York, and is considered more successful. Karma?

LimeyGator

01-13-2013, 05:08 AM

Tebow has 1 playoff win for the Broncos.

Peyton has 0.

Yet another Manning 'Loss to the Gators'...

Swamp_Thing

01-13-2013, 05:22 AM

At least if Manning switches positions he'll still be on an NFL roster next season.

Can we say the same about Tim?

rpmGator

01-13-2013, 05:56 AM

I and others said some things about Peyton a while back. My comment at the time was his cold weather record was pretty bad.

So some posterior hole kept our quotes and was making fun of us just a bit ago, using our own words to show us up. Praising the almighty Peyton.

Hoosier Daddy now...waiting for you to put up our quotes again.

Tebow has more playoff wins for the Bronco's than Manning. The sweet smell of victory...

Chosen12395

01-13-2013, 06:32 AM

At least if Manning switches positions he'll still be on an NFL roster next season.

Can we say the same about Tim?

Butt Hurt???....you know they said this as sarcasm but if we want to be ALL politically correct NO Manning wouldn't be on the field if he changed positions because 1. He wouldn't change positions and 2. Ah Neck Surgeries?

Gatorrick22

01-13-2013, 07:37 AM

Threads like these do weed-out the trolls.

oldgator

01-13-2013, 08:28 AM

Peyton prior to his neck surgeries(plural) had already proven to be a QB who performs much poorer in cold weather. So what did the brainless Vol do? He signed on with one of the three worst teams to play on if you have cold weather issues(GB and Buffalo being the other two). Having had 3 neck surgeries within a year with implantation of metal hardware he is bound to have even worse performance in cold weather. And don't give the ESPN talking head crap that he's 100%. Fact is there is metal in there, that there is scar tissue, and a host of other alterations that leave the neck much different than it was prior to original neck injuries. There is much more to it than strength and range of motion.

Payton's neck being what it is----red(neck) and loaded with surgical repair. He really isn't suited for playing HB, TE, or any other position in a cold weather stadium.

That being the case he can now find work at the Bronco stadium as an antenna for folks with cell phones. Just plug wires into his neck and extend the range a few hundred miles.

BTW---did Peyton provide the inbred vol voice in the Wipenew commercial?

rican35

01-13-2013, 02:04 PM

Peyton Manning a HOF career and one super bowl win, tim tebow out of the league next year.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-13-2013, 02:05 PM

All things considered it would be hard to argue that Peyton wasn't a huge upgrade for Denver.

RayGator

01-13-2013, 02:09 PM

i think I'll wear my Tebow Bronco jersey to work on Monday.

Good for you! Hope you see more of them! :)

GoG8rs

01-13-2013, 03:15 PM

Peyton Manning a HOF career and one super bowl win, tim tebow out of the league next year.

That's your worst nightmare, isn't it?

Tebow getting a fair shot somewhere and then proving all of you media-programmed drones wrong would be excruciatingly painful, wouldn't it?

;-)

VolsFan07

01-13-2013, 04:34 PM

You guys are hilarious. On the brink of insanity, but hilarious.

4everaGator

01-13-2013, 05:54 PM

You guys are hilarious. On the brink of insanity, but hilarious.
Ha you Vol Loser: Manning = wuerffeled (=diced in German), then tebowed.

VolsFan07

01-13-2013, 06:29 PM

Ha you Vol Loser: Manning = wuerffeled (=diced in German), then tebowed.

You crack me up. You can and should defend Tebow when he's attacked. But I'm sure that Tim himself wouldn't appreciate his fans having to resort to name calling and kicking someone when they are down. Carry on.

Tebowism0823

01-13-2013, 06:40 PM

At least if Manning switches positions he'll still be on an NFL roster next season.

Can we say the same about Tim?

Typical

Tebowism0823

01-13-2013, 06:42 PM

All things considered it would be hard to argue that Peyton wasn't a huge upgrade for Denver.

Yes and no. At the end of the day, the goal is to win a championship. Manning didn't even win a playoff game. I'd say the verdict is still out.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-13-2013, 06:43 PM

Yes and no. At the end of the day, the goal is to win a championship. Manning didn't even win a playoff game. I'd say the verdict is still out.

Sure, but I think you can have more granular measures of success. Otherwise for 31 teams they could be measured as either no better nor no worse than their predecessor. I don't think that's true.

Tebowism0823

01-13-2013, 06:43 PM

You crack me up. You can and should defend Tebow when he's attacked. But I'm sure that Tim himself wouldn't appreciate his fans having to resort to name calling and kicking someone when they are down. Carry on.

Yeah but when it comes to Manning, Gator Nation only knows him when he's down :)

96Gatorcise

01-13-2013, 06:48 PM

Yes and no. At the end of the day, the goal is to win a championship. Manning didn't even win a playoff game. I'd say the verdict is still out.

actually he did better. Played well enough to earn a first round bye.

Tebowism0823

01-13-2013, 06:49 PM

Sure, but I think you can have more granular measures of success. Otherwise for 31 teams they could be measured as either no better nor no worse than their predecessor. I don't think that's true.

I see your point but Manning was suppose to be this huge upgrade and yet they couldn't win 1 playoff game? Not to mention the way their team over performed this year IMO. That's why I still believe the verdict is still out. Elway didn't bring Manning in to be the QB of the future. He brought him in to win now. It's either next year or never for this experiment.

Tebowism0823

01-13-2013, 06:51 PM

actually he did better. Played well enough to earn a first round bye.

You can't compare him to Tebow in that aspect because Tebow didn't start the whole year. Not to mention a down AFC west which is starting to be the trend now.

4everaGator

01-13-2013, 06:58 PM

You crack me up. You can and should defend Tebow when he's attacked. But I'm sure that Tim himself wouldn't appreciate his fans having to resort to name calling and kicking someone when they are down. Carry on.All people on here are saying is Manning loses consistently in the playoffs, that is clearly evident. The other stuff is just fun. Look you are on a rival board, what do you expect?

VolsFan07

01-13-2013, 07:36 PM

All people on here are saying is Manning loses consistently in the playoffs, that is clearly evident. The other stuff is just fun. Look you are on a rival board, what do you expect?

Look, fact is he has won a Super Bowl, multiple MVPs, set many NFL records in the process and you guys are screaming for a guy who has won 1 playoff game. Tebow was one of the greatest college football players in history, he was a Gator and I understand the support, but until he wins or accomplishes a little more than 1 playoff game, I think the orange and blue sunglasses need to come off.

canadian_gator

01-13-2013, 07:48 PM

Look, fact is he has won a Super Bowl, multiple MVPs, set many NFL records in the process and you guys are screaming for a guy who has won 1 playoff game. Tebow was one of the greatest college football players in history, he was a Gator and I understand the support, but until he wins or accomplishes a little more than 1 playoff game, I think the orange and blue sunglasses need to come off.

Agreed. Don't know why people are trying to compare tebow to one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Looks bad on gator nation. That's a losing battle if I've seen one.

rican35

01-13-2013, 09:51 PM

That's your worst nightmare, isn't it?

Tebow getting a fair shot somewhere and then proving all of you media-programmed drones wrong would be excruciatingly painful, wouldn't it?

;-)

fair shot? three yrs in the NFL is more than enough.. if it wasnt because of his popularity and his legions of fans he wouldve been out of the league already

benheb

01-13-2013, 10:07 PM

fair shot? three yrs in the NFL is more than enough.. if it wasnt because of his popularity and his legions of fans he wouldve been out of the league already

Really? Fair shot this year? He is unorthodox and of the three years you mention, it seems like he got close to a fair shot last year - how'd that go?

I didn't see him get a "fair" shot with the jets even though they said he was the number 2 quarterback. Were they lying because when your starter is having the year Sanchez had, it seems like his backup would get a series or two? They said he was number 2 but wouldn't play him. I'm not sure why they wouldn't just put him at 3 if that's where they thought he really was. Hmmm, perhaps the jets have dysfunctional management and...

Nahhhh.... that can't be it.

If Tebow was so bad, Elway could have just played him this year and all of his support would be gone because he's just so bad. The only time he was allowed to play, his team made the playoffs and won a game. Confounding....

malscott

01-13-2013, 10:10 PM

Love the outcome, but Tebow's brother is kind of an ass...his tweet just adds fuel to the frenzy and fire. What a knucklehead.

VolsFan07

01-13-2013, 10:14 PM

Really? Fair shot this year? He is unorthodox and of the three years you mention, it seems like he got close to a fair shot last year - how'd that go?

I didn't see him get a "fair" shot with the jets even though they said he was the number 2 quarterback. Were they lying because when your starter is having the year Sanchez had, it seems like his backup would get a series or two? They said he was number 2 but wouldn't play him. I'm not sure why they wouldn't just put him at 3 if that's where they thought he really was. Hmmm, perhaps the jets have dysfunctional management and...

Nahhhh.... that can't be it.

If Tebow was so bad, Elway could have just played him this year and all of his support would be gone because he's just so bad. The only time he was allowed to play, his team made the playoffs and won a game. Confounding....

Did you forget about the week after when he got destroyed by the Patriots?

gator07

01-13-2013, 10:29 PM

Did you forget about the week after when he got destroyed by the Patriots?

Tried to

gatordavisl

01-13-2013, 10:39 PM

Look, fact is he has won a Super Bowl, multiple MVPs, set many NFL records in the process and you guys are screaming for a guy who has won 1 playoff game. Tebow was one of the greatest college football players in history, he was a Gator and I understand the support, but until he wins or accomplishes a little more than 1 playoff game, I think the orange and blue sunglasses need to come off. Peyton's team lost in their first playoff game this year. This after the Broncos kicked our boy to the curb. You expect us to just stand by and talk about how great Peyton was during all those other times he didn't choke in the playoffs? We'll keep our O&B glasses planted firmly on our faces, thank you very much. :joecool:

VolsFan07

01-13-2013, 11:01 PM

Peyton's team lost in their first playoff game this year. This after the Broncos kicked our boy to the curb. You expect us to just stand by and talk about how great Peyton was during all those other times he didn't choke in the playoffs? We'll keep our O&B glasses planted firmly on our faces, thank you very much. :joecool:

No. No, I do not expect you to kiss his butt, but I also do not expect for you to ridicule, deface, and crucify him because he is clearly the better quarterback. It is CLEAR that Peyton is a better NFL QB than Tim. Like I said, I understand you supporting your guy, but people on this board almost seem cult like in their following of him. He was traded, he sat on the bench, and the passed over by his hometown team. The QB in front of him had one of the worst seasons in franchise history and they still kept him on the bench. There is a reason he isn't playing, and I trust the guys who get paid millions to do that job over a bunch of butt hurt Internet posters.

GatorBen

01-13-2013, 11:15 PM

No. No, I do not expect you to kiss his butt, but I also do not expect for you to ridicule, deface, and crucify him because he is clearly the better quarterback. It is CLEAR that Peyton is a better NFL QB than Tim. Like I said, I understand you supporting your guy, but people on this board almost seem cult like in their following of him. He was traded, he sat on the bench, and the passed over by his hometown team. The QB in front of him had one of the worst seasons in franchise history and they still kept him on the bench. There is a reason he isn't playing, and I trust the guys who get paid millions to do that job over a bunch of butt hurt Internet posters.

I completely agree that Manning is a better QB than Tebow. But I do think that Tim might be a more clutch QB than Peyton. Peyton is obviously a stat monster, but to ignore the fact that he flat stinks when the stakes are at their highest is just as blind as anyone who would pretend that Tim has beautiful mechanics.

There might be something to the joking suggestion on the Broncos board that the ideal mix would be to play it like baseball and ride Peyton but have Tebow available as your closer, lol.

raycgator

01-13-2013, 11:18 PM

Peyton needs some of that clutch pixie dust from Eli.

gatordavisl

01-14-2013, 12:22 AM

No. No, I do not expect you to kiss his butt, but I also do not expect for you to ridicule, deface, and crucify him because he is clearly the better quarterback. It is CLEAR that Peyton is a better NFL QB than Tim. Like I said, I understand you supporting your guy, but people on this board almost seem cult like in their following of him. He was traded, he sat on the bench, and the passed over by his hometown team. The QB in front of him had one of the worst seasons in franchise history and they still kept him on the bench. There is a reason he isn't playing, and I trust the guys who get paid millions to do that job over a bunch of butt hurt Internet posters.Your hyperbole is out of place on this board. Football is an emotional sport. Gator fans are expressing their emotions regarding your guy choking. Get past it.

As for Tim, there was no way he would get a fair shake in NY. Are you aware of Sanchez's contract status (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/For-better-or-worse-the-Jets-are-stuck-with-Sanchez.html)?

But that's not the issue here. We have some more celebrating of Manning's choke job to get to.

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 12:36 AM

Your hyperbole is out of place on this board. Football is an emotional sport. Gator fans are expressing their emotions regarding your guy choking. Get past it.

As for Tim, there was no way he would get a fair shake in NY. Are you aware of Sanchez's contract status (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/For-better-or-worse-the-Jets-are-stuck-with-Sanchez.html)?

But that's not the issue here. We have some more celebrating of Manning's choke job to get to.

Funny, you seem to enjoy Peyton losing almost as much as I enjoy Timmy Tebone getting splinters in his butt.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 12:47 AM

It really has little to do with Tebow for me. I just never have and never will like Peyton Manning. Nothing is ever his fault and I'm tired of looking at him and that disgusting forehead.

Gatorrick22

01-14-2013, 06:00 AM

It really has little to do with Tebow for me. I just never have and never will like Peyton Manning. Nothing is ever his fault and I'm tired of looking at him and that disgusting forehead.

:laugh::yes:

Horse-head.

rpmGator

01-14-2013, 07:16 AM

Peyton may be the best regular season QB ever. So what. In the playoffs, there are many who are better.

When spotted 14 points by the special teams, he gives back 17 on turnovers and loses by three. Playoffs in cold weather isn't his thing.

Cold is a great D against him and they play football in winter and he chose one of the coldest spots to play. Not all that bright but the money was green.

Denver sold out, got what they paid for,regular season wins. Lots of regular season whuppen on also rans with the usual, one and done when the only the big boys are left during playoff time.

He is behind Tim in one stat that counts, one playoff win behind Tebow in Denver Bronco history.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 07:26 AM

I see your point but Manning was suppose to be this huge upgrade and yet they couldn't win 1 playoff game? Not to mention the way their team over performed this year IMO. That's why I still believe the verdict is still out. Elway didn't bring Manning in to be the QB of the future. He brought him in to win now. It's either next year or never for this experiment.

They won 5 more games went from 23rd in total offense to 4th.

The playoff game might be more of a long-term determinant but right now I can't see the argument.

Billygator76

01-14-2013, 07:26 AM

This is the most entertaining thread I've read in awhile; now I'm ready for the day; lol. too funny.

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 07:26 AM

Did you forget about the week after when he got destroyed by the Patriots?

Does Tim also play defense?

drramer

01-14-2013, 07:31 AM

I think Denver is going to try and get Tebow back!

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 07:37 AM

I completely agree that Manning is a better QB than Tebow. But I do think that Tim might be a more clutch QB than Peyton. Peyton is obviously a stat monster, but to ignore the fact that he flat stinks when the stakes are at their highest is just as blind as anyone who would pretend that Tim has beautiful mechanics.

There might be something to the joking suggestion on the Broncos board that the ideal mix would be to play it like baseball and ride Peyton but have Tebow available as your closer, lol.

I agree with this. I'd also add that when the conditions are not in his favor, he's an avg QB. Conditions meaning no dome. The man does not dig the cold.

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 07:39 AM

Funny, you seem to enjoy Peyton losing almost as much as I enjoy Timmy Tebone getting splinters in his butt.

Make no mistake, we love it more :)

rpmGator

01-14-2013, 07:40 AM

O&B,

Orton lost four games for Denver last season. Yet you skip that fact to prove someone is better than Tim.

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 07:41 AM

They won 5 more games went from 23rd in total offense to 4th.

The playoff game might be more of a long-term determinant but right now I can't see the argument.

Tebow didn't play the entire year. The AFC west was even worse this year so you can't compare the two that easy.

I'm not arguing that Manning is garbage, I'm just the money they spent on him seems to be wasted and Tebow was the better option. Especially with the age and weather factor.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 08:02 AM

Well those are different arguments than the one I was making, which was simply that Manning was an upgrade.

I doubt that would even come close to being controversial or debatable outside of a Gator forum.

rpmGator

01-14-2013, 08:05 AM

The upgrade has one less playoff win at Denver.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 08:14 AM

So that is the only metric?

Dreamliner

01-14-2013, 08:14 AM

Is it true that Manning has lost eight consecutive playoff games ?

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 08:32 AM

Given he was out a year and won in 2006, that doesn't sound right.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 08:34 AM

It looks like this was his third straight loss.

Dreamliner

01-14-2013, 08:41 AM

Gotcha. Didn't think it had been that long.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 08:59 AM

Gotcha. Didn't think it had been that long.

I think it was the eighth time he's gone one and done. If I'm remembering the stat correctly no other QB has done that more than four times.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 09:00 AM

Well one way to avoid doing that is to never go in the first place. :wink:

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 09:01 AM

Move over Reggie Jackson, we have another Mr. October.

orangeblueorangeblue

01-14-2013, 09:04 AM

I surely understand the Manning hatred, but I think we can all be a little more objective about things.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 09:06 AM

I surely understand the Manning hatred, but I think we can all be a little more objective about things.

I think it's fairly accurate to say no QB in history has a bigger disparity between their regular and postseason performances.
I don't know if the guy is an actual choke artist, it just appears he does not like playing in cold weather.

Dreamliner

01-14-2013, 09:13 AM

It's more of a Bronco-hatred/Tebow-love thing for me. Even when Manning was losing to the Gators every year - and getting more pub than Danny - I wasn't inclined to blame that on Manning.

GatorLaw

01-14-2013, 10:07 AM

fair shot? three yrs in the NFL is more than enough.. if it wasnt because of his popularity and his legions of fans he wouldve been out of the league already

Oh come on, "three yrs in the NFL is more than enough" is ridiculous. He sat on the bench most of his first year, part of his second, and all of his third. He's had the equivalent of only one full season as a starting QB and even that has been spread over three years with two different teams. Not exactly "more than enough" to judge what he might do if a team committed to him as their starting QB from day one and designed an offense that took advantage of his abilities.

I will say that I'm by no means sure that TT could be a good QB even if that were done. I look at QBs who have games similar to TT in terms of being dual threats, e.g. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernik (sp?), and it's obvious they're far better passing QBs than TT was with the Broncos. However, I don't think TT can be dismissed on the ground that his three years in the NFL has been "more than enough" to judge him.

GatorLaw

01-14-2013, 10:08 AM

I think it was the eighth time he's gone one and done. If I'm remembering the stat correctly no other QB has done that more than four times.

Exactly. Which is why I maintain that Josh Freeman is a much better QB than Peyton Manning. Freeman has never gone one and done in the playoffs, not one single time. :laugh:

Potzer01

01-14-2013, 10:24 AM

Play-offs, RE-ROUTE!

rpmGator

01-14-2013, 10:28 AM

You play to win the game.

None of us said Manning wasn't what he is, it is those who stopped listining when we told you the rest of the story.

He is one of the best no doubt, in regular season which gets you into a position to have 8 one and dones.

He is no Tom Brady or Montana who excel in the playoffs. Manning has a poor cold weather record and a losing playoff record. He was a big reason Denver lost as they scored on his turnovers, yet he is blamless to the blind.

Medical experts said he would have trouble throwing while moving to his right, you didn't listen. But the pick that cost Peyton the game was in fact that very same throw. Zero zip on the ball due to the injury which makes that throw a fair catch duck.

Peyton of old is not the new Peyton who will always have problems due to his neck injury. If you couldn't tell the velocity change of his throws, in the cold in particular, you are the one looking for excuses to defend the Vol.

By the way, Dilfer has as many SuperBowl wins as Manning. Manning has better stats that make him your hero, but his little brother is a better winner.

Going to stick with Eli, as Peyton's place should be retirement. But if you look at Dilfer, it must not be all that hard to do more than one and dones.

Dreamliner

01-14-2013, 10:32 AM

Play-offs, RE-ROUTE!

^ This is funny. :laugh:

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 10:54 AM

Does Tim also play defense?

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

REM08

01-14-2013, 11:46 AM

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

Logic can sometimes fall by the wayside when debating Tebow around here. I get it because I see how easy it is to be a fan of the guy.

I'd love to see the ring count if Manning had landed on the Pats and Brady on the Colts. I'm not saying there's no chance Brady does better. I just don't think it ends up where its at now. Manning's team relied on him more than any other team relied on their QB. The Pats made the playoffs (I have this right, don't I?) with Matt Cassel. So many of you are comparing apples to oranges in the hopes of bolstering the side you're 100% emotionally invested in. Best example is the one-and-dones. Think those Colts teams are going further with another QB? Who? Think they're making the playoffs every year? I'm not saying Manning is the best ever, but the lack of objectivity shown by many here about his ability and his career is startling.

Also, I agree with the point made about Manning advancing in the playoffs just as far as Tebow did. Don't think thats a technicality.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 01:12 PM

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 01:20 PM

Funny how I use the same argument for Peyton and it gets brushed off. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who gave up a 80 yard TD with 30 seconds left. But hey, who's counting....

Nope but he did throw the interception to lead to the game-winning FG

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 01:23 PM

Logic can sometimes fall by the wayside when debating Tebow around here. I get it because I see how easy it is to be a fan of the guy.

I'd love to see the ring count if Manning had landed on the Pats and Brady on the Colts. I'm not saying there's no chance Brady does better. I just don't think it ends up where its at now. Manning's team relied on him more than any other team relied on their QB. The Pats made the playoffs (I have this right, don't I?) with Matt Cassel. So many of you are comparing apples to oranges in the hopes of bolstering the side you're 100% emotionally invested in. Best example is the one-and-dones. Think those Colts teams are going further with another QB? Who? Think they're making the playoffs every year? I'm not saying Manning is the best ever, but the lack of objectivity shown by many here about his ability and his career is startling.

Also, I agree with the point made about Manning advancing in the playoffs just as far as Tebow did. Don't think thats a technicality.

Sometimes logic cant be comprehended by some. You're playing a lot of what-if games and yet the argument we are making actually took place.

REM08

01-14-2013, 01:24 PM

Manning played his career with James, Harrison, and Wayne. On defense the Colts had Freeney and Sanders. I've watched him lose several games where his team was a heavy favorite in the playoffs (see this week).

Never said he played on bad teams, just that they weren't indicative of their record and were not the caliber of team that Brady has played with most years.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 01:26 PM

Never said he played on bad teams, just that they weren't indicative of their record and were not the caliber of team that Brady has played with most years.

How is that so? Brady won three Super Bowls with a group of skill position players who will never sniff Canton.

nawlinsgator

01-14-2013, 02:21 PM

Funny, you seem to enjoy Peyton losing almost as much as I enjoy Timmy Tebone getting splinters in his butt.

I have no opinion in this debate. Just wanted to point out you lost 8 in a row against us, and counting.
Bet you wish you had Manning back. Oh wait, he lost all four against us, sorry.

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 02:40 PM

I have no opinion in this debate. Just wanted to point out you lost 8 in a row against us, and counting.
Bet you wish you had Manning back. Oh wait, he lost all four against us, sorry.

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 02:47 PM

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

Really is not a UF/UT thing with me. Pointing out that Manning was 0-4 (0-3 really...can't pin the 94 game on him) is just part of his résumé where he comes up short in big games. Especially 1997, an epic choke job.

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 02:53 PM

Really is not a UF/UT thing with me. Pointing out that Manning was 0-4 (0-3 really...can't pin the 94 game on him) is just part of his résumé where he comes up short in big games. Especially 1997, an epic choke job.

I understand that it IS his history, etc... But when we are having a discussion about NFL QB's it has no relevance. The only time it is brought up is when I make a point and the responder either A) Thinks I am taking a shot. B) Does not have a solid rebuttal and thinks that bringing up the ancient past will hurt my little Vol feelings.

malligator

01-14-2013, 03:54 PM

I understand that it IS his history, etc... But when we are having a discussion about NFL QB's it has no relevance. The only time it is brought up is when I make a point and the responder either A) Thinks I am taking a shot. B) Does not have a solid rebuttal and thinks that bringing up the ancient past will hurt my little Vol feelings.

When NFL fans discuss Peyton it has no relevance. Saying it has no relevance on a Florida Gator fan forum is silly. It's like saying you don't care he's a Vol because he's in the NFL now. You only consider it the ancient past because your team was on the losing end.

Peyton's college legacy mattered enough to him to come back his senior season. He still didn't get it done.

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 04:36 PM

When NFL fans discuss Peyton it has no relevance. Saying it has no relevance on a Florida Gator fan forum is silly. It's like saying you don't care he's a Vol because he's in the NFL now. You only consider it the ancient past because your team was on the losing end.

Peyton's college legacy mattered enough to him to come back his senior season. He still didn't get it done.

Here we go again. When I mention 98, 04, etc... on this board its ancient history because it suits your agenda. Just because this is a Gator board doesn't mean you can't have an intelligent conversation with a rival poster. Ask around, I am not here to troll. I am here to talk about football. :yes:

And last I looked, there is far more that get discussed on this forum than just UF football.

nawlinsgator

01-14-2013, 04:46 PM

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

Coming off of your Tebow comment, I think it absolutely has relevance. You take a crack at one of our old QB's we take a crack at yours.
BTW, did I mention 8 in a row? :laugh:

LimeyGator

01-14-2013, 04:55 PM

Case in point, Gators always revert back to "Peyton was 0-4 against the mighty Gators", or "We've beat you almost a decade straight!", or "Tebow beat Tennessee all four years!" Whoopdee doo. That's great, but has no relevance to the topic at hand, and just makes you look like a child who has just lost an argument then says, "Well, my daddy makes more money than yours!".

To be fair, if my Daddy went to UF and yours went to Tennessee, he probably does earn more than yours...

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 05:26 PM

Coming off of your Tebow comment, I think it absolutely has relevance. You take a crack at one of our old QB's we take a crack at yours.
BTW, did I mention 8 in a row? :laugh:

Hardy har har. I was responding to another poster.

JohnC1908

01-14-2013, 05:49 PM

VolsFan is one of the best rival posters on the board IMO. I think we can debate without resulting to sophomoric trash talk.

Socom1

01-14-2013, 05:55 PM

VolsFan07

01-14-2013, 06:01 PM

The relevence of UF beating UT fours years in a row is that Tee Martin came in the next year as The UT QB and won a National Title. He was an average at best thrower and a good runner. How is that for why UT and Manning going 0-4 is relevent.

Ok. I get your point, kinda. But how does that translate to the debate of success between Tebow/Manning? Are you trying to make the point that because Tim is a more mobile QB that he is better in the NFL? Like I said, I understand the relevance of the UT/UF and Manning/Martin thing, but could you be more specific about what you mean about the translation to the NFL?

Socom1

01-14-2013, 06:26 PM

Just that Manning is not the end all to everything, it is the pieces around him and how they put them together. A non-mobile Manning could not get the job done at UT, not NC level, Tee Martin could. What does UT celebrate more, PM years of average seasons or the NC that TM brought them (What banner hangs). If situated the right way TT can get things done in NFL. I think the supporting cast and scheme make the QB. The San Francisco QB is certainly not a great passer but sure destroyed the team he played. In Indy PM sure had some good receivers. PM has been a solid QB but if you look at the top 5 QBs with playoff wins he does not rank. This with the fact that he played many times. He did not get it done at UT and he did not get it done at Indy and now he has not got it done at Denver.

Tebowism0823

01-14-2013, 06:34 PM

VolsFan is one of the best rival posters on the board IMO. I think we can debate without resulting to sophomoric trash talk.

Yeah we probably could but where would the fun be :)

4everaGator

01-14-2013, 07:09 PM

Yeah we probably could but where would the fun be :)
^^^^
This, it's just hilarious to poke fun at Peyton! Loved the "Playoffs....RE-ROUTE!" comment - HOF material.

You gotta laugh sometimes. I loved the JIMMMIE FALLON/TEBOWIE videos, even though they weren't terribly flattering about Timmy - still funny stuff!

wygator

01-14-2013, 07:34 PM

Distant Gator

01-15-2013, 08:36 AM

Everyone seems to overlook Peyton's pick 6 early in the games in addition to the key int in overtime. And the Bronco's wouldn't have even been in the game without 2 special teams TD's.

While individual players rarely carry the complete blame, Peyton did not provide the leadership and clutch play that you expect from a future HOF QB in a home playoff game.

This, this and this.

Last year Tebow threw zero INTs, Peyton threw 2. Plus he fumbled for a total of 3 turnovers.

Yes the defense blew it at the end but if not for PM's turnovers it never would have gotten to that point. This one is on PM

Dreamliner

01-15-2013, 11:25 AM

The gazillion-dollar quarterback the Broncos dumped Tebow to bring in basically blew it on the big stage.

4everaGator

01-15-2013, 02:03 PM

Another reason we love to dump on PM is because of his arrogance towards teammates. You see his attitude when a receiver drops a pass or runs the wrong route. He throws them under the bus. Contrast that with how Tebow is, always edifying and praises everyone surrounding him.

nawlinsgator

01-15-2013, 03:34 PM

VolsFan is one of the best rival posters on the board IMO. I think we can debate without resulting to sophomoric trash talk.

I'll stop....once I get to eight in a row. :laugh:
BTW, I never even would have responded if not for the Tebow's butt splinter comment.
He can dish it out, and it looks like he can take it, so calm down.

VolsFan07

01-15-2013, 06:05 PM

I'll stop....once I get to eight in a row. :laugh:
BTW, I never even would have responded if not for the Tebow's butt splinter comment.
He can dish it out, and it looks like he can take it, so calm down.

All is fair when you are on a rival board, and trust me, it is expected. Though, I will (attempt to) hold my ground. Which can be hard, especially here, because on a Gator board a Vol fan has little ground to stand on.