There is a God, Denver Management...

[ArtDeco]

...or at least karma for our atheist or agnostic friends.
How sweet is it that Denver's season comes to an end at the hands of a....gasp...
Peyton Manning INT?

[g8r925]

yeah thought that was quite poetic

[Gulfsailinggator]

the only thing missing was the camera shot of horseface.

If Tebow would have had a game like this they would have run him out of town at the final whistle.

Can't wait to watch Bayless on Monday

F Elway
F Denver
F Tennessee Vols

[ahudson]

haha...love it...how did manning win 1 championship.....

[dawny]

Tebow should have been there watching.

[fubar1]

Would have loved it if several thousand of their fans would have started a "Tebow" chant at the end of the game.

[urbangirl]

Tebow should have been there watching.

Wearing a Baltimore jersey.

[Gulfsailinggator]

his noodle arm is only going to get worse with one more year of age. and then what?? would be nice to have #15 as an insurance policy. Horseface deserves everything he gets coming to him

[99gator]

denver 3 td's on 16 possessions.

3:16

[mac4lyfe]

I actually heard a few Tebow chants after the Manning fumble. I LOL'dWould have loved it if several thousand of their fans would have started a "Tebow" chant at the end of the game.

[Gatorrick22]

I'm not surprised that Manning struggled and was the reason for their defeat. How many special team points did Denver get? 14? Their strength of schedule sucked this year - they were nothing more than paper champions and the Ravens proved it.

How many INT's Payton throw? 3?

[denvergator1987]

i am so relived the "drive for the super bowl" is now officially over in Denver. I can go back to listening to TV and radio

[malscott]

I actually like Manning. Class act and fabulous QB. But I also love that he choked away horseface's dream. Let's do the math...let me see, $2,500,000 vs $95,000,000 = same result. They may have overpaid Manning by a tad $92,500,000. Give or take a few mill cuz I'm only estimating salaries here, someone must know on these boards. Sorry, but Timmy's season was more exciting. Go Tebow...

[gator85jd]

Maybe Horse Face can strike a deal to bet TT back.:laugh:

[petro]

Yeah. But, Manning does all that cool stuff like point and yell "Arrow" and point, and yell "Pink Pink" and point this way and that way, and all that cool stuff like that before he hands off for a loss or fumbles or throws and interception. Timmy could never learn how to be that cool while going EXACTLY as far in the playoffs but only getting to play half the season.

[ArtDeco]

Elway got what he wanted. He is in no danger of being upstaged by another QB now.

[ArtDeco]

Yeah. But, Manning does all that cool stuff like point and yell "Arrow" and point,

My bad, I thought he was saying "error", as in predicting his next bad read/miscue.

[350Z33]

I actually like Manning. Class act and fabulous QB. But I also love that he choked away horseface's dream. Let's do the math...let me see, $2,500,000 vs $95,000,000 = same result. They may have overpaid Manning by a tad $92,500,000. Give or take a few mill cuz I'm only estimating salaries here, someone must know on these boards. Sorry, but Timmy's season was more exciting. Go Tebow...

I like Manning, too, but not in the sense I want him to win (I'm glad he won a SB, though, but wish Rex did). Anyway, he's one of the few guys in that NFL that kids should look up to as a role model if they want to be like one of them. Plus, he never beat the Gators. Good guy to me...

[denvergator1987]

Elway got what he wanted. He is in no danger of being upstaged by another QB now.


yep.......

[REM08]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

[Gatorrick22]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.


You're ridiculous, because this thread isn't about Tebow!!! It's about Manning/Broncos/management. And he lost.

:clown2:

[wci347]

The real POS is Elway who in earnest really doesn't want anyone to steal his legacy which is why he got rid of Tebow as soon as he could. He knew bringing in a choke artist who was coming off a severe injury, and near the end of his career would likely preserve his legend.

[REM08]

You're ridiculous, because this thread isn't about Tebow!!! It's about Manning. And he lost.

:clown2:

This thread doesn't exist unless Manning replaces Tebow. Quit playing dumb. The OP mentions agnostics and karma. This thread would have been about anyone picked over Tebow.

[ArtDeco]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

I've got two plane tickets to Orlando, and you've got to buy one of them. You've also got to mortgage your family's future to pay for it. One's $100, one's $1,000,000. The tickets are for the same seat on the same plane. Which would you buy?

[wci347]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

You are assuming the Broncos's defense wouldn't have played harder and limited the scoring of the Ravens. You are also assuming that a Tebow run offense would have committed as many turnovers to allow the Ravens to be in a position to score.

The point of this thread however is the irony in getting rid of someone who got you past the first playoff game to get a great QB who couldn't.

[petro]

Elway got what he wanted. He is in no danger of being upstaged by another QB now.

DEAD ON!

Definition of DEAD-ON
: exactly correct or accurate <a dead–on analysis> <his impersonations were dead–on>
See dead–on defined for English-language learners »
First Known Use of DEAD-ON
circa 1889
Related to DEAD-ON
Synonyms: accurate, bang on [chiefly British], dead-on, exact, good, on-target, precise, proper, right, so, spot-on, true, veracious


Won't recount my personal interactions with horse-face while living in Denver again...............

[mac4lyfe]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow.

and as a Christian you just witnessed...

David beating Goliath tonight.

Flacco also slayed 1,000 Bronco's with the Jawbone of ass (John Elway). :yes:

[Socom1]

Have my kids look up to who, Manning, a guy who constantly berates his teammates and can do no wrong, wake up. Good QB, but ego-maniac.

[denvergator1987]

did anyone else get really tired of hiring Peyton keep saying "Hurry, Hurry"?
I haven't watched any donkey's game this year so this was the first time I heard him...
wow, that could get really annoying

[Gatorrick22]

This thread doesn't exist unless Manning replaces Tebow. Quit playing dumb. The OP mentions agnostics and karma. This thread would have been about anyone picked over Tebow.

Quit being dumb, Payton lost at home to a team he should have beaten. Tebow is just the an afterthought in this team's mismanagement. The fact that everyone thought Payton (their messiah) would lead them to the promised land was the joke.... they didn't know just how average they really were... Until tonight.

In the end their management f*&%ed up when the payed pencil-neck 92 million dollars to replace the one person that was never their problem to begin with.
So Tebow only comes in as an after thought, but not the actual subject matter. Do you understand now?

[REM08]

You are assuming the Broncos's defense wouldn't have played harder and limited the scoring of the Ravens. You are also assuming that a Tebow run offense would have committed as many turnovers to allow the Ravens to be in a position to score.

The point of this thread however is the irony in getting rid of someone who got you past the first playoff game to get a great QB who couldn't.

Its defintely ironic. I'm not questioning that. The poster who mentioned this being a Davidesque slaying of Goliath is right also. Isn't the fact that the Broncos were Goliath a little telling though?

While we're playing "if" game though. Maybe if Tebow was QB the Ravens would have turned the ball over 8 times and the Broncos would have won by 55. Or, maybe with Tebow as QB, the defense plays even worse. I realize teammates usually love Tim, but I think you're making his influence a little too mythical with what you're trying to imply.

[REM08]

Quit being dumb, Payton lost at home to a team he should have beaten. Tebow is just the an afterthought in this team's mismanagement. The fact that everyone thought Payton (their messiah) would lead them to the promised land was the joke.... they didn't know just how average they really were... Until tonight.

In the end their management f*&%ed up when the payed pencil-neck 92 million dollars to replace the one person that was never their problem to begin with.
So Tebow only comes in as an after thought, but not the actual subject matter. Do you understand now?

I understand you must be speaking of some thread other than this one. I'm not playing dumb. You obviously hate Manning and loath the Broncos management (I can't stand Elway either). The difference we're having (why we're not on the same page) is because only one of us is objective about this. If you can't see that this thread is about Tebow, then just read it over and over until its clearer.

[gatordavisl]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I don't see how it must have anything to do with Tebow, esp. ability-wise. It's about Manning and there is nothing wrong with enjoying his failure. Maybe some think Tebow would have done better, but I don't see where that has to play in. The bottom line is Manning played poorly and lost. As a Gator, Tebow, and Chargers fan, I enjoy the heck outta that. Ha!

[co_gator89]

DEAD ON!

Definition of DEAD-ON
: exactly correct or accurate <a dead–on analysis> <his impersonations were dead–on>
See dead–on defined for English-language learners »
First Known Use of DEAD-ON
circa 1889
Related to DEAD-ON
Synonyms: accurate, bang on [chiefly British], dead-on, exact, good, on-target, precise, proper, right, so, spot-on, true, veracious


Won't recount my personal interactions with horse-face while living in Denver again...............
Except it really isn't dead on and in fact it's one of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories I've ever heard.

[Dreamliner]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

Correction, the Broncos have already gone farther with Tebow.

They won a playoff game with him.

[ChartsandGrafs]

LOL, Tebow did what the great Happy Feet Manning couldn't.

Tebow was able to propel a far more undermanned Broncos team to a home victory and into the next round of the playoffs, and against much greater odds.

El Oh El.

[REM08]

Correction, the Broncos have already gone farther with Tebow.

They won a playoff game with him.

Hmmm, got me there... I figured with all those posts you've got I wouldn't have had to be clear about the fact that we were talking about a hypothetical season with Tebow - you know - this year.

[Gatorrick22]

I understand you must be speaking of some thread other than this one. I'm not playing dumb. You obviously hate Manning and loath the Broncos management (I can't stand Elway either). The difference we're having (why we're not on the same page) is because only one of us is objective about this. If you can't see that this thread is about Tebow, then just read it over and over until its clearer.

Did you actually check Denver's strength of schedule? They were paper champions. Yes Payton did well with them this year, but he had a chance to own part of another NFL franchise (The Tenn Titans) yet he chose to steal Tebow's hard earned position. On top of that Payton chose to get a quick trip to the Super Bowl at Tebow's expense.

He's nothing more than an opportunist that failed!!! The management in Denver screwed Tim, and in the end they got exactly what they reserve. Karma's a bitch and Denver's payed for their deceit and lies.

[j7]

DEN 29, PIT 23 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Tebow 10/21 316 15.0 2 0 0-0 97.5 125.6

BAL 38, DEN 35 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
P. Manning 28/43 290 6.7 3 2 3 -17 58.1 88.3

[Nubla]

Why even inject religion/lack of religion into it? This topic sucks

[co_gator89]

Why even inject religion/lack of religion into it? This topic sucks

You're right, it does suck. Let's talk about a new topic, like your sig which cracks me up every time I see it. Those poor kids' faces tell the whole story.

[Dreamliner]

Why even inject religion/lack of religion into it? This topic sucks

GOD!

[daytonag8r]

DEN 29, PIT 23 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Tebow 10/21 316 15.0 2 0 0-0 97.5 125.6

BAL 38, DEN 35 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
P. Manning 28/43 290 6.7 3 2 3 -17 58.1 88.3

While i love tim i know hes not manning . However i do believe that pitts defense last year was just as good as balts this year . So.. hard to argue with this :)

[ArtDeco]

DEAD ON!


Won't recount my personal interactions with horse-face while living in Denver again...............

Cool story bro. Tell it again.
No seriously, tell it again, we haven't heard it. Sounds good.

[diamondted13]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

Not speaking for any other Gator fan, just my own feelings. The joy I am feeling today has less to do with Manning and almost everything to do with Elway. It's not so much the football decision he made to pursue Manning (undoubtedly one of the two best FA QB's ever - along with Brees). It is the very visible, palpable, absolute disdain he had for Tebow throughout last season. Every time Tebow won a game, he looked like he was sucking a lemon. It may be the only time in my life that I've seen a team CEO, president, GM, etc. seem conflicted as his team won games, simply because he didn't like the manner/style in which his team was winning. The only comparison I have is from a freaking movie....'Major League' where the owner is banking on her own team losing.

Manning is clearly the better QB. I don't think any remotely objective Gator fan is disputing that. That said, I almost think Elway's desperate pursuit of Peyton last offseason had more to do with his desires to ditch Tebow than with Manning's greatness. He saw it as his only chance to ditch Tebow without the fans turning on him. Let's not forget the huge question mark that was Manning's health last year, with many thinking he would not ever play again. I don't think Elway takes such a giant leap of faith if not for his disdain for Tebow. So in conclusion, suck it Elway!

[Socom1]

To all of you that have a problem with someone mentioning GOD, I really don't care what you think. I am tired of having to defend my beliefs If you don't like it don't respond. It's that easy. BTW I was not the one that brought it up but have no problem with it. If you don't believe then why does it bother you.

[REM08]

Not speaking for any other Gator fan, just my own feelings. The joy I am feeling today has less to do with Manning and almost everything to do with Elway. It's not so much the football decision he made to pursue Manning (undoubtedly one of the two best FA QB's ever - along with Brees). It is the very visible, palpable, absolute disdain he had for Tebow throughout last season. Every time Tebow won a game, he looked like he was sucking a lemon. It may be the only time in my life that I've seen a team CEO, president, GM, etc. seem conflicted as his team won games, simply because he didn't like the manner/style in which his team was winning. The only comparison I have is from a freaking movie....'Major League' where the owner is banking on her own team losing.

Manning is clearly the better QB. I don't think any remotely objective Gator fan is disputing that. That said, I almost think Elway's desperate pursuit of Peyton last offseason had more to do with his desires to ditch Tebow than with Manning's greatness. He saw it as his only chance to ditch Tebow without the fans turning on him. Let's not forget the huge question mark that was Manning's health last year, with many thinking he would not ever play again. I don't think Elway takes such a giant leap of faith if not for his disdain for Tebow. So in conclusion, suck it Elway!

Well said. Apt major league reference also. I see what you're saying.

[g8rfan22]

To all of you that have a problem with someone mentioning GOD, I really don't care what you think. I am tired of having to defend my beliefs If you don't like it don't respond. It's that easy. BTW I was not the one that brought it up but have no problem with it. If you don't believe then why does it bother you.

AMEN

[malscott]

Thanks for posting the stats...awesome. Hey, like I said. Manning is the man, he's a great QB. I don't think Tebow is nearly as good. But, as other posters alluded too, knowing horseface got kicked in the nutz, and Tebow won his playoff game was a glorious bit of irony. In the beginning of the season I wanted to see Manning fail, then I got over myself and was happy for Denver fans. But this loss kind of makes me smile. Tebow is a winner. Not a better Qb, but perhaps as good of a winner. I just hope he gets his shot. A whole season. Maybe the OC will interview at Jax and maybe seeing he had success with Timmy, maybe, well...ya never know. Go Timmy. Go Gators.


DEN 29, PIT 23 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
T. Tebow 10/21 316 15.0 2 0 0-0 97.5 125.6

BAL 38, DEN 35 Final
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
P. Manning 28/43 290 6.7 3 2 3 -17 58.1 88.3

[diamondted13]

Well said. Apt major league reference also. I see what you're saying.

Thanks. With that said, has there ever been a player whose playoff performances don't match his regular season dominance to the extent of Manning? He has come up small in many late game situations in the postseason. Look no further than the pick 6 in the Super Bowl vs. New Orleans. Not including his rookie season, you could probably count on one hand how many times he threw late across his body towards the middle of the field...the cardinal sin for any QB.

I hate to call a player as great as him a choker, but he has done some things pretty out of character in the postseason. He is literally a terminator-like machine during the regular season in his career. It's not like Favre, whose gun-slinging style was consistent in all his games (often to his detriment in the playoffs). I think Peyton definitely presses in playoff games. Today's int instantly reminded me of Favre's ridiculous int in overtime with the Vikes in N.O.

[Dreamliner]

Look for Manning to get his fourth MVP against ONE Super Bowl. He does less with more.

[Brad]

To all of you that have a problem with someone mentioning GOD, I really don't care what you think. I am tired of having to defend my beliefs If you don't like it don't respond. It's that easy. BTW I was not the one that brought it up but have no problem with it. If you don't believe then why does it bother you.

Nothing wrong with God.

The problem is that people immediately turn Tebow topics into "God vs. the Devil" or "Christians vs. Atheists"--or even worse, Too Hot nonsense. Why do we always have to go there? Stop it.

[iam4uf]

Not speaking for any other Gator fan, just my own feelings. The joy I am feeling today has less to do with Manning and almost everything to do with Elway. It's not so much the football decision he made to pursue Manning (undoubtedly one of the two best FA QB's ever - along with Brees). It is the very visible, palpable, absolute disdain he had for Tebow throughout last season. Every time Tebow won a game, he looked like he was sucking a lemon. It may be the only time in my life that I've seen a team CEO, president, GM, etc. seem conflicted as his team won games, simply because he didn't like the manner/style in which his team was winning. The only comparison I have is from a freaking movie....'Major League' where the owner is banking on her own team losing.

Manning is clearly the better QB. I don't think any remotely objective Gator fan is disputing that. That said, I almost think Elway's desperate pursuit of Peyton last offseason had more to do with his desires to ditch Tebow than with Manning's greatness. He saw it as his only chance to ditch Tebow without the fans turning on him. Let's not forget the huge question mark that was Manning's health last year, with many thinking he would not ever play again. I don't think Elway takes such a giant leap of faith if not for his disdain for Tebow. So in conclusion, suck it Elway!

^^ that'll do it for my input to this thread.

[Swampmaster]

the ravens---maybe the weakest team in the playoffs, denver was a huge favorite. It was manning's turnovers that cost them the game. They couldn't even get one playoff win, at home. Classic. Any shots of elway in his luxury suite doing some dance moves?

[TheRealTejasGatorII]

@ESPNStatsInfo: Peyton Manning lost his 1st start of a postseason for the 8th time. No other starting QB in the Super Bowl Era has done that more than 4x.

And If it wasn't for an epic 2nd half meltdown by the Patriots defense six years ago, there would be zero rings for Manning.

[62gator]

Not speaking for any other Gator fan, just my own feelings. The joy I am feeling today has less to do with Manning and almost everything to do with Elway. It's not so much the football decision he made to pursue Manning (undoubtedly one of the two best FA QB's ever - along with Brees). It is the very visible, palpable, absolute disdain he had for Tebow throughout last season. Every time Tebow won a game, he looked like he was sucking a lemon. It may be the only time in my life that I've seen a team CEO, president, GM, etc. seem conflicted as his team won games, simply because he didn't like the manner/style in which his team was winning. The only comparison I have is from a freaking movie....'Major League' where the owner is banking on her own team losing.

Manning is clearly the better QB. I don't think any remotely objective Gator fan is disputing that. That said, I almost think Elway's desperate pursuit of Peyton last offseason had more to do with his desires to ditch Tebow than with Manning's greatness. He saw it as his only chance to ditch Tebow without the fans turning on him. Let's not forget the huge question mark that was Manning's health last year, with many thinking he would not ever play again. I don't think Elway takes such a giant leap of faith if not for his disdain for Tebow. So in conclusion, suck it Elway!


Spot on! :yes:


When #15 ran it in late in the game last year to beat the Jets at home and the camera showed Elway up in the box wearing his bitter beer face it spoke volumes. I wonder if he had the same face today when #18 tossed that costly INT? :no:

[Gatorrick22]

Not speaking for any other Gator fan, just my own feelings. The joy I am feeling today has less to do with Manning and almost everything to do with Elway. It's not so much the football decision he made to pursue Manning (undoubtedly one of the two best FA QB's ever - along with Brees). It is the very visible, palpable, absolute disdain he had for Tebow throughout last season. Every time Tebow won a game, he looked like he was sucking a lemon. It may be the only time in my life that I've seen a team CEO, president, GM, etc. seem conflicted as his team won games, simply because he didn't like the manner/style in which his team was winning. The only comparison I have is from a freaking movie....'Major League' where the owner is banking on her own team losing.

Manning is clearly the better QB. I don't think any remotely objective Gator fan is disputing that. That said, I almost think Elway's desperate pursuit of Peyton last offseason had more to do with his desires to ditch Tebow than with Manning's greatness. He saw it as his only chance to ditch Tebow without the fans turning on him. Let's not forget the huge question mark that was Manning's health last year, with many thinking he would not ever play again. I don't think Elway takes such a giant leap of faith if not for his disdain for Tebow. So in conclusion, suck it Elway!

Exactly! Denver's management is all about Elway's failures.

[GatorLaw]

I actually like Manning. Class act and fabulous QB. But I also love that he choked away horseface's dream. Let's do the math...let me see, $2,500,000 vs $95,000,000 = same result. They may have overpaid Manning by a tad $92,500,000. Give or take a few mill cuz I'm only estimating salaries here, someone must know on these boards. Sorry, but Timmy's season was more exciting. Go Tebow...

Not the same result. Tim won a playoff game for them. Manning hasn't.

[horanic]

Its always nice to note that when Fox got out of Tim's way and let him run an offense that didnt consist of run, run , run...punt he had the highest QBR in the NFL last year. Unfortunately for Tim he only got to run it when they were in the last 5 minutes of the game. Last I checked control the ground game, play good defense and dont turn the ball over are what wins games not flashy numbers and picks in the last minute of the game.

I am so looking forward to what will probably be Peytons last decent year next year. His arm strength is dropping fast and is easily seen on his right side drop back passes on his 15 yard out patterns. No zip on the ball what so ever. After one more year he will slip and Elway will be back to finding a new qb again but still responsible for selling Manning to the Broncos fans as the team sinks like a rock under John Fox. Mark my words!

[Swamp_Thing]

You people really need to let the pathetic hate for Denver go. Thousands of NFL players have gotten a raw deal and gotten cut like Tebow, and plenty more will. Get over it.

[oragator1]

You people really need to let the pathetic hate for Denver go. Thousands of NFL players have gotten a raw deal and gotten cut like Tebow, and plenty more will. Get over it.

Can't speak for anyone else, I don't hate Denver, I don't hate Fox and I don't blame them for picking up Manning given their options.
My problem is solely with the way Elway treated Tim during the year, he acted like Tim was a threat to his throne as king of Denver. He came across as petty and insecure and may have helped end Tim's career as a QB to boot.
But the bonus was seeing Manning fail because I just don't like the guy. He isn't a clutch player, he is a massively over exposed - I see him on every second or third commercial I see on TV it feels like during the games, and he is clearly the king of image consciousness which strikes me as phony. The fact that he as a Vol probably doesn't help either.
So watching him and Elway fail isn't something that will make me cry myself to sleep at night.

Doesn't mean I would boo either of them at Ballyhoos though lol.

[LimeyGator]

You people really need to let the pathetic hate for Denver go. Thousands of NFL players have gotten a raw deal and gotten cut like Tebow, and plenty more will. Get over it.

"Get over it" ??

Don't we all live and die by the sword? You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Denver chose to rid themselves of Tebow in preference to Manning (which is fair enough) but ultimately, the record will show that Tim took the team further in his first year than Peyton did. The delicious irony of it all - Tebow's lack of opportunity in Denver, the way he turned it around, the way the Broncos have fawned to every wish that Peyton had to get him to play there... for him to fail where Tim succeeded is just beautiful.

I can hear the sympathisers saying "Ah, well it was the Defense's/Prater's fault..." etc, but it can't go both ways - this will be the same brigade as last year who claimed it was only because of those two that Tebow won!

Just as sports franchises will get credit for where it's due when deserved, they will also take stick when they get it the other way around. I'm sure Peyton and the Broncos will come back with a chip on their shoulder next year but you can't expect the Tebow sympathisers to "Get over it" less than 12 hours after it all went back in Denver's faces...

I'd like to think I'm a realist. Peyton is a HoF QB - I honestly don't blame the Broncos for what they did. I do, however, think it's damn funny given all the chirping Tebow has taken this year that it should fall back in Denver's face like this.

[rpmGator]

The "better" QB has a zero percent playoff win record for the Bronco's.

Tebow has a 500% record in Bronco playoff games.

Manning had lot of yards against a very easy scheldule, but like his record said he was, he sucks in cold weather, yet the Bronco's sold the farm for this result.

Clearly better is behind Tebow in the playoff record book at Denver. At least they can talk about their legend, while watching the rest of the playoffs.

[Gatorrick22]

"Get over it" ??

Don't we all live and die by the sword? You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Denver chose to rid themselves of Tebow in preference to Manning (which is fair enough) but ultimately, the record will show that Tim took the team further in his first year than Peyton did. The delicious irony of it all - Tebow's lack of opportunity in Denver, the way he turned it around, the way the Broncos have fawned to every wish that Peyton had to get him to play there... for him to fail where Tim succeeded is just beautiful.

I can hear the sympathisers saying "Ah, well it was the Defense's/Prater's fault..." etc, but it can't go both ways - this will be the same brigade as last year who claimed it was only because of those two that Tebow won!

Just as sports franchises will get credit for where it's due when deserved, they will also take stick when they get it the other way around. I'm sure Peyton and the Broncos will come back with a chip on their shoulder next year but you can't expect the Tebow sympathisers to "Get over it" less than 12 hours after it all went back in Denver's faces...

I'd like to think I'm a realist. Peyton is a HoF QB - I honestly don't blame the Broncos for what they did. I do, however, think it's damn funny given all the chirping Tebow has taken this year that it should fall back in Denver's face like this.

well said, my friend.

[fortmyersgator]

Tebow brings toughness. Manning not so much.

Peyton throws a beautiful pass, but feels the pressure of a pass rush and in big games makes mistakes.

I would venture to say that if TT was the Broncos QB this year their regular season record would not have been as good, but no way they lose that game yesterday..it was his kind of game..physical and close.

[rpmGator]

The NFL network says the Ravens saw Manning couldn't throw downfield or hit the long outside throw and adjusted.

Your picks and fumbles cost your team the game. Your cold weather record, is what we said it was... and why some of us said, Elway was an idiot for getting a fair weather Manning.

[oldgator]

Kharma Khamelion dropped a big old lizard turd on Horseface's(Elway's) face

and yes, John Elway, Gator Nation wants to hurt you

[Speedofsand]

You people really need to let the pathetic hate for Denver go. Thousands of NFL players have gotten a raw deal and gotten cut like Tebow, and plenty more will. Get over it.

'You people'? Oh, hello cane thing. Please list some of the thousands of players who turned around a losing team and won a playoff game then got a raw deal like Tebow.

[j7]

Kharma Khamelion dropped a big old lizard turd on Horseface's(Elway's) face

and yes, John Elway, Gator Nation wants to hurt you

Overreact much? Please stop the stupidity. Relax, everything is going to be ok.

[outbackjack]

I actually like Manning. Class act and fabulous QB. But I also love that he choked away horseface's dream. Let's do the math...let me see, $2,500,000 vs $95,000,000 = same result. They may have overpaid Manning by a tad $92,500,000. Give or take a few mill cuz I'm only estimating salaries here, someone must know on these boards. Sorry, but Timmy's season was more exciting. Go Tebow...

No, not same result. #15 WON a playoff game.

[Bushmaster]

My whole issue is with how elway treated Tebow. It was uncalled for and shows what a POS this guy is.

What Denver should have done is kept Tebow and let him play behind Manning for this year and next and possibly a third year. Let Tebow get some reps and learn the pro style offense behind a hall of fame qb. Then, I think Denver and Tebow would be set up for a long time. Oh yeah, throw in some Tebow plays into the offense.

[WillyG8r]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

I was hoping for a comment like this, because I wanted to tell someone to just STFU. Did you not see the SF/GB game? Do you think TT could not do what Kaepernick did? He needs to be given a chance to take practice snaps and play with the first team in the NLF. When he did that, he took them to the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs, which is more than Manning did this year. Look at who Denver played this year. Any halfway decent QB could have done the same thing. I am sick and tired of the Manning love fest. He is a great human being, but he doesn't have a great arm any more. He is done.

[garettk]

Does this mean an end to the Papa John's Superbowl commercials? One can hope.

[tilly]

You people really need to let the pathetic hate for Denver go. Thousands of NFL players have gotten a raw deal and gotten cut like Tebow, and plenty more will. Get over it.

My dislike for Elway goes back WELL before Tim Tebow ever took a snap in Pop Warner. I know some thongs about him behind the scenes from a previous job. (Curious if secgator has ever dealt with him.)

This is just icing on the cake.

Edit: should say "things" not "thongs"...but Its still appropriate so I'll leave it.

[Gatorrick22]

Overreact much? Please stop the stupidity. Relax, everything is going to be ok.

He's just venting his frustrations....... I wouldn't call that "stupidity".

[Gatorphenom]

Overreact much? Please stop the stupidity. Relax, everything is going to be ok.

Is that you Peyton???

[OaktownGator]

My whole issue is with how elway treated Tebow. It was uncalled for and shows what a POS this guy is.

What Denver should have done is kept Tebow and let him play behind Manning for this year and next and possibly a third year. Let Tebow get some reps and learn the pro style offense behind a hall of fame qb. Then, I think Denver and Tebow would be set up for a long time. Oh yeah, throw in some Tebow plays into the offense.

This makes too much sense.

But Elway never impressed me as the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Dreamliner]

The game pretty much proves that God has a wicked sense of humor.

[rpmGator]

It also proves Manning is in the wrong climate and misses his dome, just like we said he would...

[Swampmaster]

elway--comfortable in his own skin

[G8tr69]

Sucks for you Mr Ed (Elway)
Manning and Elway are a perfect match, :zombie:

[rpmGator]

A horse is a horse, of course of course... unless that horse is the famous Mr. Edway.

They should put his face on the Bronco logo, and get what looks like the north end of a southbound jackass.

[Freddy02]

I'm a Christian and think the world of Tebow, but this thread is ridiculous. Tebow isn't better than Manning. The Broncos wouldn't have gone further with Tebow. He wasn't going to hang 35 plus on Baltimore. Those of you who put this loss on Mannings INT (which was obviously big) weren't watching the Denver secondary all day. Tebow isn't overcoming a lackluster defensive performance like that.

I hope Tebow ends up in the HOF, really. But some of you Florida fans are making the rest of the country gag with your poor logic about him as a QB. I'm not saying he'll never make it, just that he wasn't as good of an option as Manning, even at 36.

No - but Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow so there is some reason to laugh at that game and the lack of decent QB play.

Secondly if Manning gets his bell rung again could have lifelong complications. I really don't want to hear "poor payton" if and when that day comes.

[gatordee]

I love it!

[nastyreptile]

elway--comfortable in his own skin


So is every other snake...:angry:

[nyuknyuk]

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

[sflagator]

You are assuming the Broncos's defense wouldn't have played harder and limited the scoring of the Ravens. You are also assuming that a Tebow run offense would have committed as many turnovers to allow the Ravens to be in a position to score.

The point of this thread however is the irony in getting rid of someone who got you past the first playoff game to get a great QB who couldn't.

This, this, 1000 times this.

[Swamp_Thing]

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

very well said

and people wonder why gator fans like myself get a bad name. it's because of the maniacal obsession the fanbase has with tebow. plenty of other gators are doing superbly in the pros from the pouncey twins to aaron hernandez to percy harvin (when healthy) to joe haden to a bunch of others.

hell, brandon spikes and hernandez' team is actually still in the playoffs and are favorites to win the title, you'd think they'd get a little more support and press than a player who couldnt beat out mark sanchez or greg mcelroy.

first tebow zealots hate the john elway and the broncos, now they hate rex ryan and the jets and then their gonna hate whatever coach/GM signs tim next and then doesnt play him because he's not good enough. rinse, wash, repeat.

[rpmGator]

Some of us football fans used facts about Manning, his lack of wins in cold weather and him no longer being as strong as before, to predict exactly what happened.

It's not us who got bit in the rear end for believing the hype and wins over some bad regular season teams.

The ONLY reason our butts hurt today, is we are laughing our asses off.

[brianobriano]

D[i]amond ted. [b]est post ever

[malligator]

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

Welcome to college football where the fans care about the team AND the players--past, present, and future. Tim is a Gator so I, for one, make no apologies for caring about the horrible treatment he's getting in the No Fun League.

[nyuknyuk]

very well said

and people wonder why gator fans like myself get a bad name. it's because of the maniacal obsession the fanbase has with tebow. plenty of other gators are doing superbly in the pros from the pouncey twins to aaron hernandez to percy harvin (when healthy) to joe haden to a bunch of others.

hell, brandon spikes and hernandez' team is actually still in the playoffs and are favorites to win the title, you'd think they'd get a little more support and press than a player who couldnt beat out mark sanchez or greg mcelroy.

first tebow zealots hate the john elway and the broncos, now they hate rex ryan and the jets and then their gonna hate whatever coach/GM signs tim next and then doesnt play him because he's not good enough. rinse, wash, repeat.

It's especially disenheartening considering how much honest, enthusiastic support Tebow had from Denver fans. Oh well.

For such people who love Tebow for his Christian living, they carry a ton of hate.

[SwamPimp]

Isn't Elway responsible for drafting Rahim Moore, the DB who got burned on that bomb at the end of regulation? He also hired the too-conservative John Fox as his coach. His team benefited from an easy schedule this year and predictably flamed out in the playoffs. Manning's postseason record is now 9-11, nowhere near Montana or Brady's numbers. I feel no shame for rooting for Elway and Manning to lose.

[nyuknyuk]

Welcome to college football where the fans care about the team AND the players--past, present, and future. Tim is a Gator so I, for one, make no apologies for caring about the horrible treatment he's getting in the No Fun League.

Horrible treatment? Players are expected to adjust and adjust quickly. How often does a team overhaul its offense to accommodate a first-year player? What's your beef here, seriously?

[Dreamliner]

Arguably, Manning had the good fortune to face, at home, the most porous Ravens defense in years.

[JohnC1908]

Watching Manning choke in the playoffs never gets old. I found it funny when he was a Colt and I enjoyed it just as much yesterday.

[JohnC1908]

Horrible treatment? Players are expected to adjust and adjust quickly. How often does a team overhaul its offense to accommodate a first-year player? What's your beef here, seriously?

Next year you'll be throwing the same temper tantrum. You're mad because nobody feels sorry for you and your choke artist QB. See you next January and we'll do it again.

[sflagator]

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

Wow, talk about delusional. It was pretty commonly discussed last year that Elway and Fox didn't want to keep Tebow - it wasn't exactly a secret. He wasnt their guy, they gave him lukewarm support, even after he improbably made the playoffs and jettisoned him as quickly as possible when the opportunity arose.

I dont see anything particularly nefarious behind their decision to replace Tebow. I get that risk-adverse NFL coaches want to keep their jobs, and thus innovation tends to be minimal, but when Fox installed a read-option offense it was like the real John Fox had been kidnapped by the Body Snatchers - it was innovative (see, for example, Kaepernick's 50 TD yard run off the read option) but totally not Fox-like. I also understand that without Elway behind him (and again, it's not exactly up for debate that Elway was looking for a traditional QB), Fox was not going to stick with the Tebow offense - too easy to get himself fired (again).

A couple of things bother me though - things I suspect you'll agree with. First, there was rampant propagation from "unnamed sources" in Denver of the myth that Tebow could simply not play QB, despite clear evidence to the contrary. Was he perfect? Not even close. But the idea that he has a weak arm or is too inaccurate is simply crazy. Read Saban's quotes about Tebow after UF beat Bama in the SEC championship game (basically about Tebow completing passes to guys who were "covered" by future-NFL DB's. Heck, look at his performance against Pittsburgh - the best YPC percentage in the NFL ever! He had awful, awful games - find me one NFL QB who hasn't. If Fox and Elway had been honest they'd have said Tebow just couldn't win in the conservative system they wanted to run - not that the kid couldn't play.

Second, I take issue with Fox and Elway spraining elbows while patting themselves on the back as if they were geniuses for getting Manning at the bargain price of $95,000,000 (rofl). First, I agree that Manning is one of the statistical stars of the NFL, and that he has and always will have better stats than Tebow. He's also a complete choke artist. On top of that, he was coming off an injury no one was sure he'd fully recover from. It now seems like he has not, and will not, ever fully recover. To add icing to the cake, he's never won a game played when the temp was below 40 degrees ... and the Broncos bring him to Denver?

I think it was basically politics and concern over job security that ran Tebow out of Denver, and may keep him from ever starting in the NFL.. I think the anger you see toward Denver, and the smugness over the loss, is based in the fact that it just happened to be Denver where these politics went into action - its just happenstance, partially. But its also based on Elway's seemingly lukewarm support of a guy who frankly saved a terrible Denver season, and his smug satisfaction after getting Manning. I think it's only natural for supporters and family to get pi$$ed when their guy doesn't get a fair shot, and Tebow did not get a fair shot. I don't think that's delusional, childish, or silly.

I won't even get into your "toughest preseason schedule" (as if that matters), "First season with a revamped playbook," or "Denver will win a Super Bowl with Manning" comments. Manning could barely win one in Indy in top health, with everything going for him, playing in a dome.

I tell you what: if Denver wins a Super Bowl with Manning, I'll buy you dinner at Rioja (or wherever else you want in Denver). That's how sure I am it won't happen. As a gator fan, I've been watching Manning his entire career - he's a great QB by the numbers, but he isn't a winner and he never will be.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Excellent post sflagator. I just find it odd that a Denver fan would be thinking of Tebow, of all things, after a heartbreaking loss like that yesterday. Sounds like he's trying to talk himself out of regret....and with an 850 word essay mind you, good grief.

[rican35]

The real POS is Elway who in earnest really doesn't want anyone to steal his legacy which is why he got rid of Tebow as soon as he could. He knew bringing in a choke artist who was coming off a severe injury, and near the end of his career would likely preserve his legend.

if that was his real motive he wouldve signed tebow to a 20yr deal

[Dreamliner]

if that was his real motive he wouldve signed tebow to a 20yr deal

And likely lost his legacy ?

[mac4lyfe]

I didn't read any further than Greetings from Denver.

But seeing a 2,000 word essay below I can conclude... YOU MAD :laugh:

Don't come over here expecting sympathy for Manning and Elway. They both are the 2 biggest dicks in football. Tell me you don't support dicks??

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

[ArtDeco]

Greetings from Denver. I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis.
I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?
If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

LOL at this troll, so misguided, coming onto a GATOR website to praise PEYTON MANNING while trying to convince himself he does not miss Tim Tebow. It's so telling that he chose not to vent on a Bronco message board, or even a Ravens board, but in his own words, checking out Colts and Gator websites. Sounds like somebody has a very unhealthy obsession with a Manning boy.
I've never given Peyton career advice, but he may want to get a restraining order on this dude. Unless Peyton swings that way NTTAWTT

[rpmGator]

We are Gators, it has nothing to do with religion for us. Tim is one of ours, Manning was a Vol and some of us have never liked him no matter what jersey he wore, as it has never been one of ours.

While being correct that Peyton got to the same round as Tim due to a bye, that sidesteps one fact.

Tebow, ONE PLAYOFF WIN for Denver.

Manning NO PLAYOFF WINS for Denver.

Manning can't hold onto the ball in cold weather, thus the glove. But the good news is, you got your wish and will have him again next season. A year older and wiser, isn't always a good thing in a young man's game.

[diamondted13]

Greetings from Denver. I haven’t been here in a while. I peeked over here suspecting a butthurt festival, and I was right. I used to post here semi-often in support of Tebow, even when things started going downhill. For a time early on, I even supported him over PFM (Peyton Freaking Manning). You can see that in my post history, but that time is long past.

I’m amused by the outpouring of predictable butthurt schadenfreude from Florida and Indianapolis. Indy’s butthurt of course lacks the whacky pseudo-religious overtones the Tebow Zombies are bringing. Frankly, you all act like a bunch of overgrown children, who in seeing your relationship with your first crush go sour, you wait in the wings in resentment hoping your love’s new relationship goes bad and they never end up happily married. That is just pathetic. Needless to say, if the aggrieved had a semblance of a life of his own and anything to look forward to, he wouldn’t obsess over his past breakups. Thus, both Tebow and Colts fans are wrapped up in a security blanket of hostility toward Denver, wailing you’re no longer with your love even while you hide it behind “we don’t need them anyway” nonsense. Feel free to leave as many burning dingleberries on our doorstep as you wish.

Facts are facts: If Tebow can’t beat out career backup journeymen like Kyle Orton, he certainly has no business to cry if a shoe-in HOF QB takes his place. His 46% completion percentage and penchant for fumbling is why he’s not starting – and is indeed why now even Jacksonville won’t touch him with a 10-foot pole. (Why aren’t you guys crying about the Jags?!) He and you have nobody but his poor performances to blame for that. Denver overhauled their offense to the read option to accommodate him, and even that wasn’t enough. You still aren’t satisfied, that doesn’t surprise me. Oh well, not our problem.

Tebow did not take Denver farther. Both lost in the divisional round. (Why do I have to explain this?) In one case, we had no chance to win the game (Tebow), and one in which a game that should have been won was given up (Manning). Was that all Manning’s fault? Give me a break; only if Manning kicks the dirt instead of the ball, gets burned by WRs, and officiates like a blind man. Was it all Tebow’s fault? Uh, not by a longshot. In both cases, the defensive backfield crumpled and coaches called some questionable plays.

In seeing tantrum-like comments such as those on Peter Tebow’s twitter page, I’m beginning to question my support of Tim and his family. I’d strongly suggest to both Peter Tebow and denvergator1987 (yes, PFM always says “hurry hurry”) that they pitch in together, rent a U-Haul, and leave Denver since they both find it so distasteful. Nothing is keeping you here. Petey can finish his Greek classes in Florida where everyone will unquestioningly kiss his butt.

I only wonder what Tim will name his poor dog once the Jets cut him loose. That dog is probably already suffering an identity crisis. Is my name Bronco or Bronx, daddy?

It’s hilarious the tin foil hat crowd here is still claiming Elway “feared” Tebow taking his limelight. PFM has broken several of Elway’s team records in the one season he’s been here thus far, and somehow Elway feared Tebow and his 46% completion rate. That is epic lulz if I ever saw it. I can only hope those who say such things don’t believe what they’re typing, lest I worry for their mental health. Comments such as “Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow” make me want to call in the white coats. :zombie::laugh:

Elway was not making “lemon faces” at Tebow or anyone else. If you cared to do anything more than go along with media hype, you’d have seen the same face after Von Miller sacks and Peyton Manning touchdowns. But let’s not let the facts stop your fantasy. You’re not Broncos fans, you know nothing about the Broncos or John Elway, and yet you think you know what you’re saying when you whine about Denver’s FO. No, you’re just obsessive over John Elway and have a stick up your backsides. Yes, it’s a conspiracy, and John Albert Elway is pulling the puppet strings. Whatever you say, sunshine.

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves. First season with a revamped, rebuilt offensive playbook, and we gave away a game in the divisional round after having had the best record in the AFC playing the 2nd most difficult schedule going into the season. We will be haunting your dreams for years. Get used to it. You only wish it was over. Actually, it’s only begun.

What horribly deluded people to think a lackluster misfit option QB remotely stacks up to someone of Peyton Manning’s stature. Absolutely breathtaking. Is it the municipal water supply in Florida? Perhaps, then, you should juggle your monthly budget to accommodate a supply of Zephyrhills bottled water.

It's pretty amusing that a guy accusing Gator fans of all sorts of Freudian hang-ups spends well over an hour crafting a post for, of all things, a Gator message board in defense of his favorite team.

Look buddy, if you can't comprehend why Gator fans are taking great satisfaction over your team's playoff gag job, you need to take the psychology 101 class over again...and again. We don't like Elway. Get over it. I hope those New Orleans hotel reservations are refundable for you. In the meantime, dust off the 97 Super Bowl dvd and enjoy. Maybe get on a Bronco message board instead if you want to find people with a similar world view.

One more thing, I promise I will sleep well at night not haunted by visions of Peyton and Johnny hoisting the Lombardi trophy together. This was your chance with noodle arm. Your team blew it. If you don't believe me, check your own damn message boards. What's with you Rocky Mountain people anyway? Must be the thin air up there or something. :joecool:

[nyuknyuk]

Excellent post sflagator. I just find it odd that a Denver fan would be thinking of Tebow, of all things, after a heartbreaking loss like that yesterday. Sounds like he's trying to talk himself out of regret....and with an 850 word essay mind you, good grief.

So you don't defend your own when clowns trash them. Gotcha.

[GoG8rs]

LOL at the Denver Bronchus (asphyxiation) dork on this thread.

Peyton was 0-4 in college when it counted, and has been one and done EIGHT times in the NFL.

When the going gets tough, you can always count on Peyton to CHOKE!

Elway, we are ALL laughing at YOU!

...and I mean like roll on the floor kind of laughing.

[StrengthAndHonor]

So you don't defend your own when clowns trash them. Gotcha.

Nice to see I struck a nerve with you. Tell me this, were you thinking of Tebow during the game yesterday? You were, weren't you. :joecool:

[mac4lyfe]

FIFY

We are Gators, it has EVERYTHING to do with religion for us.

Tebow, ONE PLAYOFF WIN for Denver.

Manning NO PLAYOFF WINS for Denver.

JESUS WINS!!! :yes:

[David Shepherd]

nyuknyuk (http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/member.php?u=17845) has left the building!

[Gatuar]

Manning is a once I'm a lifetime QB...everybody understands why they opted for Peyton

But he has a very small window to win a Suoer Bowl and this year was probably 33% of his window closing

It's kinda like when Lebron failed his first year in Miami...but Lebron in his mid 20's

[deathroll]

Friend of mine is from Denver and is the absolute biggest Broncos fan. A week ago, he bought a non-refundable plane ticket "back home" for the Super Bowl. He's depressed. I'm ecstatic.

[GoG8rs]

Once in a lifetime professional choker is what Peyton is.

0-4 in college when it counted and one and done a record EIGHT times in the NFL playoffs!

Yep he's once in a lifetime alright... The all-time greatest post-season choker EVER!

[cruzer79]

Not sure how so many people can call Manning a good guy and a class act. It"s not like you know him personally. I don"t know him either, but I do know that he has paid out a LOT of money over the years to keep his Rothlisberger-like behavior under wraps. If you don"t believe all the crap the media spews about Tebow, you might want to think twice about their love affair with all things Peyton. Very good quarterback sure, but good person - nah, just has great PR people, great lawyers and deep pockets.

[GoG8rs]

FIFY

I don't want to spoil the plot for you but...Jesus and the good guys win in the end.

:-)

[WillyG8r]

Denver will never win the Super Bowl with Manning as a QB. "Happy Feet" is done.

[Freddy02]

Once in a lifetime professional choker is what Peyton is.

0-4 in college when it counted and one and done a record EIGHT times in the NFL playoffs!

Yep he's once in a lifetime alright... The all-time greatest post-season choker EVER!

which I believe was the original point. :yes:

[coldsteel120]

Coach Fox and coach Del Rio rule! ;-)

[rpmGator]

I thought this loss was number 9, one and dones for Manning.

[sflagator]

So you don't defend your own when clowns trash them. Gotcha.

So are you taking my bet?

[LimeyGator]

If you don’t think Denver will win a Super Bowl during Peyton Manning’s tenure, you’re fooling yourselves.

I read some of your outburst. Frankly your message got a bit tiresome after a while.

I noticed you seemed cross that we were being like "overgrown children" about it all and, to prove how grown up your own viewpoint was in comparison, you felt the need to post a monotonous, retaliatory post on of all places, the Florida Gators message board about a lot of excessively Pro-Tebow talk. Whodathunkit, eh? The mind boggles.

The one bit that made me chuckle was the above quote though.

I'm not a fool. I have my moments I admit but I don't see Denver having some sort of divine right to win a superbowl in the next 4 years. If anything is chidish here it's that you came to this board to criticise our fanbase's often blinkered love of their star man, by making an arrogant presumption about your own. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that, I guess you never will but I find it amusing all the same.

For what it's worth, I don't see any guarantees at all in Denver. Opportunity, yes.

If you don't like hearing how Peyton's record is FACTUALLY poorer than Tim's in the postseason for the Broncos right now, I suggest you snuggle down for 12 months and hit the boards again next year...

[oragator1]

I am just trying to understand the mentality of someone coming here, a college message board, after his team's loss to chastise people?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

[sflagator]

Not sure how so many people can call Manning a good guy and a class act. It"s not like you know him personally. I don"t know him either, but I do know that he has paid out a LOT of money over the years to keep his Rothlisberger-like behavior under wraps. If you don"t believe all the crap the media spews about Tebow, you might want to think twice about their love affair with all things Peyton. Very good quarterback sure, but good person - nah, just has great PR people, great lawyers and deep pockets.

Manning has never been accused of raping anyone, to my knowledge. He is rumored to have paid hush money to mistresses - I have some very circumstantial knowledge of a situation. I now work for a hotel / casino company and one of our employees was fired for Manning related "activity," after which she supposedly got some money out of him. She got money from somewhere and there was no alternate story besides the Manning story being bandied about. Honestly, i have no real proof that he paid her - that was just the rumor. Even if true, it makes the girl look worse than him IMO - I don't tend to get too excited about rich, powerful people cheating, since nearly all of them seem to do it.

I've met him at one of our properties as well. He was sort of aloof, not a total jerk, about average for an athlete. I did wonder how he got the sterling rep he had when he didn't appear to have much in the way of personality or interest going for him, i chalk it up to a good publicist.

two asides: Manning was way larger in person than I expected, and his dad Archie is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Eli was not in attendance, so I cannot report whether he is an emotionless robot as he appears.

[The_Graygator]

...or at least karma for our atheist or agnostic friends.
How sweet is it that Denver's season comes to an end at the hands of a....gasp...
Peyton Manning INT?

Too bad it couldn't have been Tony George who intercepted it too.

[gatordavisl]

Just for the sake of accuracy folks, nyuknuk is a female.

[Swampmaster]

peyton--has lost 20% of his arm strength, but they still signed him to that 95 million contract, expecting miracles. His big days are done.

[gtr2x]

The only bad thing about Denver losing, was the Baltimore thugs won.

[geauxgator1]

The experiment with Peyton was failure, just like most everyone outside of Denver though it would be. Peyton may ahve another year in him, maybe..Last season was one of the most exceiting season's Denver has ever experienced. No expectations and boom, Tebow brought his magic to town. Oh well, live and learn. Should have done the right thing and stuck with the kid.

[Billygator76]

several of his passes dropped to the turf; I thought it was the cold air and it just didn't hold a line like it would have in Miami, but if it is his decreased arm strenght, then the jokes on Elway; you asp!

[geauxgator1]

How much money did the Manning experiment cost them, about 92.5 million I believe? Ouch!!

[Gatorphenom]

The only bad thing about Denver losing, was the Baltimore thugs won.

Steeler's Fan right?

[Swampmaster]

peyton's got 95 million in guaranteed cash, even if he chokes away playoff games---he won the lottery by going to denver.

[MtownGator]

I just find it funny that even Tims brother is sticking up for him against the Broncos.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/gola-brother-tebow-laugh-article-1.1239111

[petro]

Awesome Snowboarding at Winter Park!!!!! We are THERE!!!!!!


wait. Denver football something what? That's so 5200 feet. I heard they lost.


10,000 feet. Double Black Diamonds all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tebowism0823]

Just for the sake of accuracy folks, nyuknuk is a female.

I was going to post that then I saw yours. She's probably a very frustrated one at that :)

[Gatorrick22]

nyuknyuk (http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/member.php?u=17845) has left the building!

Yeah, he was always a Tebow hater on the Denver forums/blogs. He and 50% of them over there.

[rpmGator]

If you really like Peyton, tell him to retire. He isn't getting younger, he can't grip the ball at times and that and his neck will get worse and he had already hit the lottery years ago.

One of our big reasons we said it was foolish to get rid of Tim is, the future.

Yeah I know, he threw the ball well in warmer, regular season weather. He is maybe the best regular season QB out there. But the end results is what we said it would be.

[ColoGator]

My favorite line of nyuknyuk's "don't kid yourself, Manning will win a Superbowl in Denver..." Based on what?! They had the #1 seed and Manning isn't getting younger.

[gatorlaw71]

...Tebow has a 500% record in Bronco playoff games....

You seem to be math challenged.

[rpmGator]

Really, is that all you have to debate the facts I laid out for you. So here you go.

When a baseball player goes one for two, he is hitting 500, not 50.

Perhaps you are sports challanged and need to catch up with the new math that has been used daily for our entire lifetimes.

Would you prefer 50% winning percent for Tebow, 0% for Manning in Denver Bronco playoff games.

My math skills say Peyton lost in overtime, Tebow won in overtime. Tim has played in one more playoff game than Peyton as well.

Since I said these same things before it happened, you didn't have to believe me then, or believe your own lying eyes now.

But as they always say, scoreboard. Bronco playoff wins, Tebow 1, Peyton 0.

Tebow one win out of two, for a 500% winning record in Denver playoff games, you and Petyon zero...

Are you posting in cold weather...

[malligator]

Really, is that all you have to debate the facts I laid out for you. So here you go.

When a baseball player goes one for two, he is hitting 500, not 50.

Perhaps you are sports challanged and need to catch up with the new math that has been used daily for our entire lifetimes.

Would you prefer 50% winning percent for Tebow, 0% for Manning in Denver Bronco playoff games.

My math skills say Peyton lost in overtime, Tebow won in overtime. Tim has played in one more playoff game than Peyton as well.

Since I said these same things before it happened, you didn't have to believe me then, or believe your own lying eyes now.

But as they always say, scoreboard. Bronco playoff wins, Tebow one, Peyton 0.

Tebow one win out of two, for a 500% winning record in Denver playoff games, you and Petyon zero...

Are you posting in cold weather...

I'm on your side and understand what you're saying but it's .500 (or 50%), not 500%.

[REM08]

I was hoping for a comment like this, because I wanted to tell someone to just STFU. Did you not see the SF/GB game? Do you think TT could not do what Kaepernick did? He needs to be given a chance to take practice snaps and play with the first team in the NLF. When he did that, he took them to the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs, which is more than Manning did this year. Look at who Denver played this year. Any halfway decent QB could have done the same thing. I am sick and tired of the Manning love fest. He is a great human being, but he doesn't have a great arm any more. He is done.

Uhhh, no. Are you serious?

[Dreamliner]

Well, we know that Tebow can do what Kaepernick can do. Or didn't he win a playoff game last year ?

[REM08]

No - but Manning isn't exceptionally better than Tebow so there is some reason to laugh at that game and the lack of decent QB play.

Secondly if Manning gets his bell rung again could have lifelong complications. I really don't want to hear "poor payton" if and when that day comes.

Really??? Do some of you think this? How many MVP's does Manning have? He'll be in the top two for that award again this year.

Full disclosure, I'm a big Peyton fan - think he's great. But, the one person I'd cheer for over him would be Tim Tebow. There's no one I want to succeed more than him. I just don't let this go so far that I lose objectivity and start saying I dont' see much of a difference between him and one of the best QB's of all time.

[RayUF07]

peyton's got 95 million in guaranteed cash, even if he chokes away playoff games---he won the lottery by going to denver.

Not completely accurate.

His only guarantee is the $18MM for this year. The Broncos could cut him after the Super Bowl and not be out any more money.

After that, they have to make a decision by early March. If they keep him for next year, his 2013 and 2014 salaries become fully guaranteed UNLESS he injures his neck during 2013. Any other injury or ineffectiveness doesn't matter, he gets those years guaranteed @ $40MM total.

Then each year after is a 1 year deal they can cut him at any time.

So reality is, his only guarantee at the time of signing is his salary this year.

[elrongator]

I do see a difference between the two.
Tebow is younger and stronger.
Tebow won his first playoff game in Denver, despite Elway stacking the deck against him (trading away the team's best receiver right before they let Tebow start for nothing in return) versus Peyton getting whatever help they could get him.
Tebow played for the Gators.
Manning never beat the Gators.

Bottomline is that anyone waiting for me to anoint Manning as the best NFL QB of all time and "admit" that he's far better than Tebow could be if given support will just have to keep waiting.

I will never accept the argument that Tebow can't win as a QB in the NFL unless he's given the standard opportunity every other first round draft pick at QB gets, which is 3-4 years to develop and run the ship.

How about all the Tebow haters finally admitting that he's been unfairly screwed out of that chance by guys like horse face Elway? Seems like the much more obvious admission to me.

[ih8danoles]

The horses would have gotten their poop pushed in next weekend anyway by the real GOAT QB.

[up]

On his radio show today Dan Patrick said he got a text from actor Josh Duhamel right after the Denver loss that said, "Playoff wins at Denver: Peyton Manning-0, Tim Tebow-1. Suck it Merril Hodge."

[rpmGator]

malli,

Yep, I guess I do suck at math....

My problem with so many so far has been comparing Peyton pre-surgery with Tebow. Now that Manning is not the same as before, some just need to understand the change.

They won't even listen to Peyton himself that said he had to build up his legs and core, to compensate for the weaker arm.

You get him moving so he can't set his feet and he can't throw well due to his arm.

Law was right on my math, good for him.

[Dreamliner]

Well, one reason I'll never accept the argument that Tebow can't win as a quarterback in the NFL is because Tebow has won as a quarterback in the NFL.

[REM08]

Well, one reason I'll never accept the argument that Tebow can't win as a quarterback in the NFL is because Tebow has won as a quarterback in the NFL.

Im' half way with ya on this. But the same could have been said for Vince Young for a while.

[Tipmoose]

Really, is that all you have to debate the facts I laid out for you. So here you go.

When a baseball player goes one for two, he is hitting 500, not 50.

But as they always say, scoreboard. Bronco playoff wins, Tebow 1, Peyton 0.

Tebow one win out of two, for a 500% winning record in Denver playoff games, you and Petyon zero...

Are you posting in cold weather...

Math really isn't your strong suit is it? Do you not understand the concept of what a percentage is?

If he'd won ALL of his games he would have won 100% of them. Its not possible to win more than all of your games. Therefore, the winning percentage cap is set at 100%.

Tim has won half of his playoff games in Denver. Half. That's 50%.

Please tell me you're trolling.

[Dreamliner]

Im' half way with ya on this. But the same could have been said for Vince Young for a while.

I'm actually glad someone brought up Vince Young. He makes Tebow look like Dan Marino in terms of passing mechanics.

[malligator]

Math really isn't your strong suit is it? Do you not understand the concept of what a percentage is?

If he'd won ALL of his games he would have won 100% of them. Its not possible to win more than all of your games. Therefore, the winning percentage cap is set at 100%.

Tim has won half of his playoff games in Denver. Half. That's 50%.

Please tell me you're trolling.

He already admitted his math was wrong so chill a little bit.

[Tipmoose]

He already admitted his math was wrong so chill a little bit.

Im nicely chilled, thanks. I felt his ridiculous screed deserved one in response. So i gave it to him. There's absolutely no excuse for not understanding such basic math.

[gatorjlm]

Bottom line is if you have essentially the same team and replace the QB (single most important and influential position) "worst in football" with arguably the best, you should have advanced further than the preceding guy.

[gottapanda]

For everybody saying Tebow won a playoff game while Manning didn't - they both made it to the Divisional Round, and lost. That doesn't prove anything, but I don't necessarily think that winning a playoff game is some magical achievement.

That said, I think Baltimore exposed Denver's WRs and offensive play-calling a bit, not to mention Champ Bailey's age. Peyton made the receivers look better than they really are this year. Then again, he was also allowed to throw to them a lot more than Tim was. On Saturday, Black & Decker struggled to get open, and Thomas in particular continued to drop catchable balls.

Aside from that, I think McCoy should have used a lot more play-action. Denver ran the ball way too much on first down. The secondary was just bad. Bailey repeatedly got burned by Torrey Smith, and the safeties were out of position a lot.

Denver needs to get better in several areas, but should be a playoff team with Manning for another couple years.

[Dreamliner]

For everybody saying Tebow won a playoff game while Manning didn't - they both made it to the Divisional Round, and lost. That doesn't prove anything, but I don't necessarily think that winning a playoff game is some magical achievement.

That said, I think Baltimore exposed Denver's WRs and offensive play-calling a bit, not to mention Champ Bailey's age. Peyton made the receivers look better than they really are this year. Then again, he was also allowed to throw to them a lot more than Tim was. On Saturday, Black & Decker struggled to get open, and Thomas in particular continued to drop catchable balls.

Aside from that, I think McCoy should have used a lot more play-action. Denver ran the ball way too much on first down. The secondary was just bad. Bailey repeatedly got burned by Torrey Smith, and the safeties were out of position a lot.

Denver needs to get better in several areas, but should be a playoff team with Manning for another couple years.

Well, it's certainly not a magical achievement for Tebow, sadly. Seems like he could do with a little magic to demolish the double-standard being foisted upon him.

[JerseyGator01]

The NFL has had huge double standards with judging one QB vs. another for many years now. Tebow is just the latest example. Rex was another victim in recent years given his lack of talent around him in Chicago and DC.

Boomer E. said on the radio today that Peyton made some "uncharacteristic" errors. Has he watched Peyton play football as an adult?

[ArtVandelay]

I've been a Broncos fan since they traded for Elway. This loss was very disappointing, but I'm not sure the Broncos still wouldn't do the exact same thing if they had the option. Peyton basically had the game won for Denver if the defense didn't choke and give up the bomb.

It's ridiculous to compare the 2, but Manning led the Broncos to a bye, that is essentially a playoff win. Both Tebow and Manning got to and lost in the same game. I think GatorRick said their SOS was bad. Are you kidding? Did you see who they had to play this year?

Tebow was definitely treated poorly by the Broncos (same as he is being treated poorly by the Jets), but Manning is an upgrade any way you look at it.

They will be right back at the top next year.

[sflagator]

Tebow and Kaep are pretty close statistically. Compare Tebow 2011 (14 games) with Kaep 2012 (13 games) and they are roughly equivalent in most categories. Tebow had more 3 more TD's (rushing and passing) and 2 more turnovers. Kaep threw for 15 more yards per game than Tebow, but Tebow rushed for 15 more yards per game than Kaep. Kaep had slightly more total passing yards in one less game, but combined yardage gives Tebow a 150 yd advantage.

The glaring difference, and the reason Tebow scares coaches and GM's to death, is completion percentage. Kaep is at 62.4%, Tebow at 46.5%.

Remember that teams average 35 passing downs per game, that 11 or so are 3rd downs, and that teams only average 4-5 scoring drives per game. That means that, in the typical NFL universe, Tebow will average 5 more incompletions than Kaep. That doesn't seem like much, but compounded with the fact that Tebow threw the ball less than the average 35 times per game, and the statistical difference is magnified somewhat. If Tebow's inaccuracy kills one potential scoring drive a game, that's the difference between a 10 win season and a 4 win season.

If Tebow had a good yard/pass attempt number, he could overcome this deficiency, but he doesn't. He averaged about 6.5 yards per attempt, which was low for the NFL.

I have no doubt Tebow can improve his completion percentage and yards per attempt (actually, fixing one should fix the other). First, I think he needs to lose weight. He was 236 at UF, now he's bulked up to 250, and he's starting to look like a gorilla throwing the ball. Ask Dan Kendra - he'll tell you Tebow is too big.

Second - and I hate to state the obvious - he needs to be in the right offense. Somewhat run heavy, but with enough flexibility for Tebow to pass more often than on 3rd down, and to improvise his way out of trouble. Ironically, something like the Denver offense that finally got an over-the-hill John Elway that Super Bowl ring. In the pass-happy NFL, this is a rare beast.

The problem, once again, is getting a coach and GM to risk their necks on improving Tebow's accuracy. NFL coaches and GM's are more risk adverse than a group of insurance salesmen riding around in a car without seat belts, and the "thin margin" school of wuss coaching (i.e., keep it close with a chance to win in the 4th quarter) isn't going away. Tebow needs a coach who has job security and just doesn't give a damn about taking chances, I can only think of a few (the bros Harbaugh, Bellichick, Tomlin, Payton) and they already have QB's. The only other candidate I can think of is maybe Greg Schiano.

I think it sucks because I believe TT can win in the NFL, but I am thinking he will never get the chance. Honestly, he might be better off moving to another position at this point (and I'm cursing my own name for uttering those words)

[gtr2x]

Steeler's Fan right?

Ha ha. nope, tho I root for them occasionally since they have 3 Gators on the o line.

[gottapanda]

Tebow and Kaep are pretty close statistically. Compare Tebow 2011 (14 games) with Kaep 2012 (13 games) and they are roughly equivalent in most categories. Tebow had more 3 more TD's (rushing and passing) and 2 more turnovers. Kaep threw for 15 more yards per game than Tebow, but Tebow rushed for 15 more yards per game than Kaep. Kaep had slightly more total passing yards in one less game, but combined yardage gives Tebow a 150 yd advantage.

The glaring difference, and the reason Tebow scares coaches and GM's to death, is completion percentage. Kaep is at 62.4%, Tebow at 46.5%.

Remember that teams average 35 passing downs per game, that 11 or so are 3rd downs, and that teams only average 4-5 scoring drives per game. That means that, in the typical NFL universe, Tebow will average 5 more incompletions than Kaep. That doesn't seem like much, but compounded with the fact that Tebow threw the ball less than the average 35 times per game, and the statistical difference is magnified somewhat. If Tebow's inaccuracy kills one potential scoring drive a game, that's the difference between a 10 win season and a 4 win season.

If Tebow had a good yard/pass attempt number, he could overcome this deficiency, but he doesn't. He averaged about 6.5 yards per attempt, which was low for the NFL.

I have no doubt Tebow can improve his completion percentage and yards per attempt (actually, fixing one should fix the other). First, I think he needs to lose weight. He was 236 at UF, now he's bulked up to 250, and he's starting to look like a gorilla throwing the ball. Ask Dan Kendra - he'll tell you Tebow is too big.

Second - and I hate to state the obvious - he needs to be in the right offense. Somewhat run heavy, but with enough flexibility for Tebow to pass more often than on 3rd down, and to improvise his way out of trouble. Ironically, something like the Denver offense that finally got an over-the-hill John Elway that Super Bowl ring. In the pass-happy NFL, this is a rare beast.

The problem, once again, is getting a coach and GM to risk their necks on improving Tebow's accuracy. NFL coaches and GM's are more risk adverse than a group of insurance salesmen riding around in a car without seat belts, and the "thin margin" school of wuss coaching (i.e., keep it close with a chance to win in the 4th quarter) isn't going away. Tebow needs a coach who has job security and just doesn't give a damn about taking chances, I can only think of a few (the bros Harbaugh, Bellichick, Tomlin, Payton) and they already have QB's. The only other candidate I can think of is maybe Greg Schiano.

I think it sucks because I believe TT can win in the NFL, but I am thinking he will never get the chance. Honestly, he might be better off moving to another position at this point (and I'm cursing my own name for uttering those words)

Thanks for the informed, and informative, post. I'd rep if I could.

[horanic]

People are quick to point out 46% completion but how many of those passes were on 1st and 10 or second and 5? Tebow actually was one of the best in the league at converting 3rd and 10+ when PASSING. However people never look deeper into the number other than to say he was a sub 50% passer. Qbs typically convert about 25% of 3rd and 10 or longer and I would venture to 65% of Tebows passing downs were against 3rd and long situations. Fox NEVER opened the playbook until it was hopeless and he was forced to let him pass. Also he didnt try and force it to the reciever in those situations and often just unloaded out of bounds rather than getting the INT (see Ponder). That also sunk his completion percentage but no INTs means you win games. There is a lot more to Tebows completion percentage than just pointing it out as a bad number.

[horanic]

A good example of getting Fox's stupidity out of the way was Tebows QBR in the last 5 minutes of the game where the play book opened....he was the BEST in the league in the last 5 minutes of the game. You cant explain it any other way. Fox called plays that did nothing to help the qb.

[horanic]

Manning is an obvious upgrade but for a very short time...the door is rapidly closing. His zip is dropping off fast and as always one blind side hit and Elway will be looking for another qb.

[elrongator]

I disagree that Manning was/is an upgrade.
Starting over with a gigantic salary difference to replace a developing first round draft pick at Qb entails alot more than throwing the ball around for completions to justify it.
Manning gave Denver about what he delivered most of his pass happy career, a first playoff game loss.

This is the damning fact.
In 8 of his 11 playoff appearances Manning has lost his first playoff game.

That isn't proof he's a legend or hall of fame shoe in, it shows he's not what Tebow has been everywhere he's been given a chance to start...a winner.

[whitelakegator]

I disagree that Manning was/is an upgrade.
Starting over with a gigantic salary difference to replace a developing first round draft pick at Qb entails alot more than throwing the ball around for completions to justify it.
Manning gave Denver about what he delivered most of his pass happy career, a first playoff game loss.

This is the damning fact.
In 8 of his 11 playoff appearances Manning has lost his first playoff game.

That isn't proof he's a legend or hall of fame shoe in, it shows he's not what Tebow has been everywhere he's been given a chance to start...a winner.

I can't stand manning but you may want to check out how tebow did in the last game of the regular season vs the chiefs. Denver needed a win to clinch the afc west title outright. How did tebow respond in that huge game? 6-22 for 60 yds and three points. A loss but they backed in anyhow. Revionist history. The dude has some really really bad games. Maybe if he played the whole game like the last five minutes he would start. Apparently he doesn't practice well nor can he read a defense to save his life.

[Juggernautz]

Am pulling for a Ravens vs Falcons SB!

[rpmGator]

You can say some of us are just Tebow apologists.

But the NFL network is having discussion's on Manning going out in the first round 8 times, also.

They are talking about his lack of arm strength. They are talking about his cold weather record.

They are talking about him being spotted 14 points and still not scoring enough on his O, to win. He had a lot of OT where he was shut out and had the turnover that lost them the game.

This was Manning before the four neck operations. Those guys who played the game are saying you make your money in the regular season, you make your legacy in the playoffs. Their words, not mine.

A lot of us were right on it being futile to bring in Manning. They will need a new QB as time waits for no one. That young QB could have been Tebow, but the threat of him winning the job, no matter how small that could have been, was a worry too large for Elway to keep Tim.

They could have chosen to let Manning teach Tebow, instead they sold Tim for thirty pieces of silver.

Got a felling the ending on this one hasn't been written just yet.

A lot of us were correct from the start. Our foes had our quotes lined up ready to show how wrong we were. Now the NFL network is saying the same things as we did on this very board, when Manning was signed many month's ago.

Scoreboard.

Last, here is another prediction so you can use it later if I am wrong, Tebow will start at QB for an NFL team before all is done. As my dad used to tell me, you can't keep a good man down.

Even when some of our own, kick him when he is.

[gatordee]

I just cannot believe they did not let PM air it out the last 30 seconds. Thank goodness though. Imagine what the headlines would have said if he had got them inside fg range and won it.

[malligator]

I can't stand manning but you may want to check out how tebow did in the last game of the regular season vs the chiefs. Denver needed a win to clinch the afc west title outright. How did tebow respond in that huge game? 6-22 for 60 yds and three points. A loss but they backed in anyhow. Revionist history. The dude has some really really bad games. Maybe if he played the whole game like the last five minutes he would start. Apparently he doesn't practice well nor can he read a defense to save his life.

Tebow has had 16 starts. One full season. Reading defenses comes with game time. That's one thing that's demonstrably true--he may never improve his throwing mechanics, but he will get better at reading defense.

Manning was an interception throwing machine in the beginning of his career. That's an indication of misreading coverages. The difference is Tebow will tuck it and run instead of forcing a pass for an interception. That seems to be looked down upon by the talking heads, who oddly seem to favor passing even if it's to the wrong team.

[horanic]

I can't stand manning but you may want to check out how tebow did in the last game of the regular season vs the chiefs. Denver needed a win to clinch the afc west title outright. How did tebow respond in that huge game? 6-22 for 60 yds and three points. A loss but they backed in anyhow. Revionist history. The dude has some really really bad games. Maybe if he played the whole game like the last five minutes he would start. Apparently he doesn't practice well nor can he read a defense to save his life.

You may also want to check out what KC did to Aaron Rodgers during his record setting year last year just 2 weeks before sub 50% passing and just one td and a loss for the Pack. Crennel had KC playing good defense towards the end of the year but a rash of injuries took its toll over time. Also, I wouldn't even begin to comment on what kind of bliss a defensive coordinator/head coach of Fox's bent got from a 7-3 loss versus KC. In fact, he may have indeed convinced himself he actually won the game with a low scoring bore fest like that. It was right up his alley!

We can always site one game but the fact is he has outperformed both Manning and Elway during their first year. Just the facts.