I respect other people's opinion on gun control..

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

...so much so, I plan to make a sign like this for my house;

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gun-control-which-house-to-rob-1.jpg

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I need to get one of these too!

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gun-control-which-house-to-rob-2.jpg

[GatorSaint]

Scared much?

I assume we could make a case for shoulder-fired SAM missiles because the 2nd Amendments says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know, in case the black helicopters start circling.

[Dreamliner]

Scared much?

I assume we could make a case for shoulder-fired SAM missiles because the 2nd Amendments says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know, in case the black helicopters start circling.

Easy to say since you're probably packing heat yourself.

[gatorman_07732]

They have the buzz words down: black helicopters, paranoid.....
3 out of 4 liberal posts contain these words

[Tebowism0823]

Scared much?

I assume we could make a case for shoulder-fired SAM missiles because the 2nd Amendments says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know, in case the black helicopters start circling.

I'm not sure I see your attempt at humor. Because someone wants to keep their rights in tact, they must be scared?

[gatorman_07732]

It's a lame attempt at marginalizing people that disagree

[gator1986]

Ill die before anyone tries taking away my guns...

[HALLGATOR]

The vast majority of gun owners are not going to give up their guns in this country, it just ain't going to happen. They may do another one of the "assault weapons" bans but that won't make people give up the guns they already have.

[HALLGATOR]

Ill die before anyone tries taking away my guns...

It's not going to come to that. Those who believe it will are also buying into a bunch of hype.

[gator1986]

The vast majority of gun owners are not going to give up their guns in this country, it just ain't going to happen. They may do another one of the "assault weapons" bans but that won't make people give up the guns they already have.

There's a few states making laws to protect the government from banning their state citizens from losing their gun rights.... Props to them!

[gator1986]

Thomas Jefferson: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Everyone should take a lesson from a founding father... JMO....

[gator1986]

It's not going to come to that. Those who believe it will are also buying into a bunch of hype.

I don't think it will, at all... I think there's too much money and involvement with specific groups.. One of the biggest lobbyist in congress is the NRA... They fork out too much money to congressmen and women to get anything banned....

[RealGatorFan]

Funny hpw a gun control advocate in Congress protected himself with a pistol...one of the one's proposed to be banned.

I have a Rem 870 handy just for the purpose of picking it up and pumping it once. Any intruder in my home would do a 180 and Bolt. By brother-in-law had that happen to him once and cocked his Mossberg once and the intruders pretty much broke each other's necks to high tail it the other way. Without that gun....who knows what would have happened. Yet, no one died and everything's fine.

[gatorman_07732]

Anytime you want to take away anything from people that they are used to practicing in there lives it becomes a problem. This is basic human reaction

[g8trjax]

Any way to attribute the debt and deficit to the deaths of some school children? Seems to be the only way to jump start our leaders to into action. Surely biden could form a task force to at least create a budget.

[HALLGATOR]

Stop and think a minute as to who has been the biggest beneficiary when it comes to claims the government want to take your guns away from you.

[RealGatorFan]

As the ex-right hand man to the Messiah said, "Never waste a good crisis". The laws being proposed has nothing to do with assault weapons are high-capacity clips. Those account for roughly 2% of the new laws. This is all about control and the incidents of a few people are affecting millions. One senator actually is proposing a bill to tax ammo and magazines at 50%. Another wants all gun owners to submit to psych tests and another wants annual registration or lose the right for life. And another wants the gun to stay with the owner and at death the state retains control. Hundreds of these are being drafted that have nothing to do with protecting children. It's all about control of the masses.

[gatorman_07732]

Stop and think a minute as to who has been the biggest beneficiary when it comes to claims the government want to take your guns away from you.

Doesn't take much thought

[HALLGATOR]

Hundreds of these are being drafted that have nothing to do with protecting children. It's all about control of the masses.

I'll take you word that it is in the hundreds but the real question is not how many are being drafted but rather how many are gaining traction.

[GatrHeel]

Thomas Jefferson: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Everyone should take a lesson from a founding father... JMO....

Isn't there another thread showing that Jefferson never said, nor wrote, that?

[gator1986]

Isn't there another thread showing that Jefferson never said, nor wrote, that?

Probably, there's sources that say he did, and sources that say he didn't. Either way take it as a great saying, and live by it. I mean can we truly know what anyone said in 1776?

[PIMking]

http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f17/34185d1319595281-storing-fully-loaded-mags-hard-springs-clipmag.jpg

That is alll

[exiledgator]

Doesn't take much thought

Do your conclusions on motives effect your outlook on the veracity of the claims?

[gatorman_07732]

Do your conclusions on motives effect your outlook on the veracity of the claims?

want to be more specific as what exact claims

[exiledgator]

want to be more specific as what exact claims

Claims of impending government confiscation of firearms.

[gatorman_07732]

Claims of impending government confiscation of firearms.

It's been advocated among some law makers so it should be a fear. That has nothing to do with my reply to Hall's post.

[GatrHeel]

Probably, there's sources that say he did, and sources that say he didn't. Either way take it as a great saying, and live by it. I mean can we truly know what anyone said in 1776?

Could you provide a link to an article indicating that the attribution is correct? Honestly, all I've seen so far is the link in the other thread about how the quote isn't true. I'd love to read something to the contrary.

[RealGatorFan]

I'll take you word that it is in the hundreds but the real question is not how many are being drafted but rather how many are gaining traction.

What I meant by hundreds are not just federal laws but state laws. I for one am glad I do not live in California or the North East. Most have already gained traction but will Congress be in total agreement? Does it matter since the President already has proven he can make and sign his own laws? Obama has already said if Congress doesn't pass gun legislation (which kind?) he will by EO.

[HALLGATOR]

The 1984 movie Red Dawn showed a scene of a dead American with a bumper sticker on the back of his truck(?) which basically said he would give up his gun when they pried it from his cold dead hand. In 1993 Bill Clinton was elected POTUS and I heard many people say they were stocking up on ammo and guns because the government was going to take them away. 5 years ago when Obama was elected we heard it all again and we are still hearing it.

It's not that people should ignore bills trying to be passed but rather the constant belief government invading our homes and confiscating our weapons is imminent.

[exiledgator]

It's been advocated among some law makers so it should be a fear. That has nothing to do with my reply to Hall's post.

It would have everything to do with your reply.

Who has the most to gain from the claims of impending confiscation?

[RealGatorFan]

The 1984 movie Red Dawn showed a scene of a dead American with a bumper sticker on the back of his truck(?) which basically said he would give up his gun when they pried it from his cold dead hand. In 1993 Bill Clinton was elected POTUS and I heard many people say they were stocking up on ammo and guns because the government was going to take them away. 5 years ago when Obama was elected we heard it all again and we are still hearing it.

It's not that people should ignore bills trying to be passed but rather the constant belief government invading our homes and confiscating our weapons is imminent.

Interesting you brought up that movie. One aspect of that movie has come true - gun registration. What did the invading force do with said gun registrations? They rounded them up, took their weapons, and imprisoned them in a concentration camp.

[gatorman_07732]

The 1984 movie Red Dawn showed a scene of a dead American with a bumper sticker on the back of his truck(?) which basically said he would give up his gun when they pried it from his cold dead hand. In 1993 Bill Clinton was elected POTUS and I heard many people say they were stocking up on ammo and guns because the government was going to take them away. 5 years ago when Obama was elected we heard it all again and we are still hearing it.

It's not that people should ignore bills trying to be passed but rather the constant belief government invading our homes and confiscating our weapons is imminent.

I always thought you were one that was cautious of government. You used the word imminent which I have not seen anyone from the right use, but they should be nervous when there are lawmaker advocating confiscation

[HALLGATOR]

Do all states require you to register guns? And how many unregistered guns do you believe are out there? I would guess it to be in the 10s or maybe the 100s of millions.

[HALLGATOR]

I always thought you were one that was cautious of government. You used the word imminent which I have not seen anyone from the right use, but they should be nervous when there are lawmaker advocating confiscation

There is a line between caution and worry gun confiscation is anywhere close to happening. As I stated we should all be aware of laws which are moving through Congress and might affect us but again the hype which has surrounded all of this is not equal to the reality.

[gatorman_07732]

Do all states require you to register guns? And how many unregistered guns do you believe are out there? I would guess it to be in the 10s or maybe the 100s of millions.

No, not all states require you to register guns. I'm not one that believes the gov has the business of knowing what you have unless your a class 3 holder in which case they do unless you are a criminal

[gatorman_07732]

It would have everything to do with your reply.

Who has the most to gain from the claims of impending confiscation?

So what? The point I would make is the left in congress is that stupid if they haven't figured that one out. And hey, when you have lawmakers advocating for confiscation then what do you expect?

[gator1986]

Could you provide a link to an article indicating that the attribution is correct? Honestly, all I've seen so far is the link in the other thread about how the quote isn't true. I'd love to read something to the contrary.

Yea ill try finding it, and most the links that I have seen and/or read state that its a quote from Jefferson but its not documented that he said it... Which to me contradicts itself, cause why say he said that at all then?!?! Lol, either way it's a great quote and I love it, because one thing that is sure, it was clear they believed everyone should own guns, ( obviously they did not know much of felons back in those days ), and IMO ( yes my opinion everyone, before I get hounded ), they were doing it for a reason, I think it was for the people to protect themselves in case the government ever got too big. Our founding fathers I think had a great idea, and put it in stone, but they too I believe knew something would not last.

[gatorman_07732]

There is a line between caution and worry gun confiscation is anywhere close to happening. As I stated we should all be aware of laws which are moving through Congress and might affect us but again the hype which has surrounded all of this is not equal to the reality.

Even one person should be cause for concern. Question is how many people in congress agree with him but not saying it.

Iowa lawmaker calls for retroactive gun ban, confiscation of semi-automatic weapons

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/iowa-lawmaker-calls-for-retroactive-gun-bans-confiscations-of-semi-automatic-weapons/

[HALLGATOR]

I would say awareness rather than any serious concern unless something gains headway. There all always going to be those who run the gamut from wanting to have outright confiscation to more strict laws on ownership.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Scared much?

Not at all


I assume we could make a case for shoulder-fired SAM missiles because the 2nd Amendments says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know, in case the black helicopters start circling.

We are choking on the straw you are piling on man.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Do all states require you to register guns? And how many unregistered guns do you believe are out there? I would guess it to be in the 10s or maybe the 100s of millions.

The name and address of the buyer purchasing a new gun sale is required to be registered with the BATF. There are other states that require re-registration of handguns when used ones are bought and sold. And there are a few states that require the registrations of all guns bought and sold, new and used.

[bluelang]

Putting up a sign saying you have guns in the house is a great way to get your guns stolen.

[gator1986]

Putting up a sign saying you have guns in the house is a great way to get your guns stolen.

Well if someone tried to break into my house to steal, my guns, I would simply just shoot them... Problem solved... Lol

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Putting up a sign saying you have guns in the house is a great way to get your guns stolen.

As long as the robber is willing to take a risk the owner won't be home.

Home burglars have often said they like to rob homes where there are no guns. That said, there are some criminals that WANT to steal guns and are willing to take a risk

For them here is another good sign;

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/warning-shot.jpg

[gatordavisl]

Well if someone tried to break into my house to steal, my guns, I would simply just shoot them... Problem solved... Lol Better stay at home. Some robbers can actually tell when nobody is home.

[HALLGATOR]

The name and address of the buyer purchasing a new gun sale is required to be registered with the BATF. There are other states that require re-registration of handguns when used ones are bought and sold. And there are a few states that require the registrations of all guns bought and sold, new and used.

It seems to me then that the best way to purchase a gun would be from an individual or at a gun show. Why let the government know what you are buying if there is fear they are going to take them away from you and they know you have them? Don't let one hand know what the other is doing comes to mind.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

It seems to me then that the best way to purchase a gun would be from an individual or at a gun show. Why let the government know what you are buying if there is fear they are going to take them away from you and they know you have them? Don't let one hand know what the other is doing comes to mind.

Yep. And in Florida and Georgia, (and many other states), you can buy any used weapon at a FFL dealer, handgun or long gun, and it won't be registered, even though there is a background check. To be sure, the sale is recorded in in the FFL dealer books, but the data is not collected by any state or federal agency.

[Minister_of_Information]

Scared much?

I assume we could make a case for shoulder-fired SAM missiles because the 2nd Amendments says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

You know, in case the black helicopters start circling.

I don't much like the argument that there is nothing to fear but even if there was, there's nothing you can do about it anyway. Seems like a rationalized emotional subtext of government worship and contempt for the common man.

[RealGatorFan]

Claims of impending government confiscation of firearms.

Weinstein has mentioned it and it's her current draft of her assault rifle ban, which by the way has over 1,000 weapons on it. I didn't know there were so many assault weapons like the Mossberg 500 or my S&W .40. Another part of her bill includes a provision to only allow the original owner the rights to the gun. So if you have an AR15 today, the gun is claimed by the state upon your death. It won't be a valid inheritance gift.

[rivergator]

Weinstein has mentioned it and it's her current draft of her assault rifle ban, which by the way has over 1,000 weapons on it. I didn't know there were so many assault weapons like the Mossberg 500 or my S&W .40. Another part of her bill includes a provision to only allow the original owner the rights to the gun. So if you have an AR15 today, the gun is claimed by the state upon your death. It won't be a valid inheritance gift.

If you mean Dianne Feinstein, you're mistaken about confiscation and the number of weapons.

[northgagator]

Better stay at home. Some robbers can actually tell when nobody is home.

Not a good idea. Home invasion appear to be on the rise could be due to homeowners:
1, Knowing the location of the safe.
2, The combination
3, Having the keys to the cars.
4, Having the ATM and credits cards and PIN numbers.

[gatorman_07732]

If you mean Dianne Feinstein, you're mistaken about confiscation and the number of weapons.

Do you research anything?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/iowa-lawmaker-calls-for-retroactive-gun-bans-confiscations-of-semi-automatic-weapons/

Iowa lawmaker calls for retroactive gun ban, confiscation of semi-automatic weapons

[RealGatorFan]

Yep 1K is a bit over-zealous even for her:-) I meant over 100. Still, her 100 includes:

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

I haven't found this anywhere so was it in her original 12/27 summary and has since been removed?

The question is does the ban and new laws apply to just assault weapons or the list of 120 (so far)? This list consists of assault rifles and certain shotguns and pistols. I have read she was sneaky by using the term assault weapon since every weapon can be used to assault therefore ALL weapons are part of this new legislation. Her website does not describe what the 120 weapons are so far but her description of an assault weapon means every gun that takes a magazine is considered an assault weapon.

[northgagator]

In the past week two Metro Atlanta homeowners shot home invaders. Last year a lady in Duluth, Ga shot and killed a would rapist who barged into to shower. She distracted the POS long enough so the she got her pistol. She shot and killed him too.

[T3goalie]

...so much so, I plan to make a sign like this for my house;

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gun-control-which-house-to-rob-1.jpg

You should publish neighbor's name in the paper. :whoa: Nobody would do that.

[rivergator]

Do you research anything?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/iowa-lawmaker-calls-for-retroactive-gun-bans-confiscations-of-semi-automatic-weapons/

Now that's not Dianne Feinstein, is it? And if you read what I wrote:

If you mean Dianne Feinstein, you're mistaken about confiscation and the number of weapons.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6312372#ixzz2Ho1IqxVy

[Juggernautz]

Better stay at home. Some robbers can actually tell when nobody is home.

Doesn't take an Einstein to figure this out...:cry: