Meyer talking big

[gator85jd]

Now that he's not in the same stadium as Saban. Now that he's not in the same city as Saban. Now that he's not in the same state as Saban. Now he is talking big. Not like the night of the BCSCG, when he didn't have much to say.

Another poster on another thread here on SG said it would have been funny if Saban had snuck up behind Meyer when he was on the set and got right behind Meyer and yelled "BOO" and watched Meyer have a heart attack.

But now Meyer talks big.

"[Texas] A&M beat them, Georgia could have beat them, LSU could have beat them and they soundly won the national championship," Meyer said Friday during a news conference. "That tells you a little bit about that conference. Where are we? I don't like to deal in speculation, but I think we're a very good team that can compete with any team in the country. I said even after the last game, that's where I believe we are.

"But to say we could roll in there and beat a team like that, first of all I don't want to speculate, and then if I was going to give you a honest answer, I think right now we have too many holes to fill."

If "too many holes to fill" is anything like a "broken program", Meyer might be getting ready to bolt again.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8836004/urban-meyer-ohio-state-buckeyes-says-team-holes-close-catch-alabama-crimson-tide

[beanfield]

Hope we get to play him soon....

[gator1986]

Now that he's not in the same stadium as Saban. Now that he's not in the same city as Saban. Now that he's not in the same state as Saban. Now he is talking big. Not like the night of the BCSCG, when he didn't have much to say.

Another poster on another thread here on SG said it would have been funny if Saban had snuck up behind Meyer when he was on the set and got right behind Meyer and yelled "BOO" and watched Meyer have a heart attack.

But now Meyer talks big.

"[Texas] A&M beat them, Georgia could have beat them, LSU could have beat them and they soundly won the national championship," Meyer said Friday during a news conference. "That tells you a little bit about that conference. Where are we? I don't like to deal in speculation, but I think we're a very good team that can compete with any team in the country. I said even after the last game, that's where I believe we are.

"But to say we could roll in there and beat a team like that, first of all I don't want to speculate, and then if I was going to give you a honest answer, I think right now we have too many holes to fill."

If "too many holes to fill" is anything like a "roken program", he might be getting ready to bolt.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8836004/urban-meyer-ohio-state-buckeyes-says-team-holes-close-catch-alabama-crimson-tide

Not really talking big he says he has too many holes to fill.. Clearly only teams he stated that could beat Alabama is fellow SEC teams, personally I wouldn't take too much of what he said... He knows he can't compete with the SEC

[GATORAZ]

I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

[Mayhem41]

Very happy that Urb's "Sabanitis" has seemingly gone into remission.

[AndyGator]

Seems innocent enough to me.

[ahudson]

thats what used car salesman do

[mfpardnor2]

Really?? Big Deal

[GatorLaw]

Saying OSU can compete but they couldn't beat a team like Alabama because they have too many holes to fill is talking big? Sounds fairly modest (and 100% accurate) to me.

[112274]

he was right about the sec teams being the only ones but atm was the only one to get done.

[toddsevans]

He ran from the competition and used his family as the excuse. Lied to the student athletes and the administration. Coward in book. Just one mans opinion.

[gator85jd]

Saying OSU can compete but they couldn't beat a team like Alabama because they have too many holes to fill is talking big? Sounds fairly modest (and 100% accurate) to me.

It's the "I think we're a very good team that can compete with any team in the country" part. He knows he can't compete with Bama. Odd that he couldn't seem to say that OSU could compete with any team in the country when he was on the ESPN set at the BCSCG.

[revthejedi]

Nothing wrong with his comments, you guys are like a scorned woman or something. He was at the BCSCG to give analysis,insight and lend credibility to what the others were saying, there was no reason for him to pump OSU.

[secgator]

Just who IS this Urban fellow everyone keeps speaking of. I simply do NOT know him, nor do I care.:ninja:

[mikehev]

I did not catch the "talking big" part. If anything, he said that his team has holes to fill before they could compete in the BCS championship, and he was giving props to the SEC.

I'm glad Urban was our coach from 05-10. Some of the best memories of Gator football, and probably my favorite time as a Gator during the Tebow years.

He's a great coach and was the leader of a fantastic era of Gator football.

Now, its best for everyone that he is in Ohio and we have WM.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

[ApexNC]

Just LET IT GO

[Yellahamma]

As a Bama fan there is no question about it Meyer is top 5 in active coaches. When he has "his" type of qb he's on par with Saban. When he was at Florida Saban and Smart couldnt figure out how Meyer's staff had the time to run all the formations with option principles in practice. His playbook limits what blitz packages you can run especially with a dynamic dual threat qb (Tebow/Newton) and receivers that could get on top of the defense (Murphy/Cooper).

[oakgator]

He was complimenting the SEC, saying that a number of SEC teams could have been in the BCSCG and beat ND.

That is a purely objective view since I don't care much about Meyer either way.

[GatorByte]

Not surprisingly, no mention from Meyer of the absolutely craptastic teams that "could have" beaten Ohio State.

[Animagator]

He is the head of the clan of the white shoes and white belts. No wonder women love him. They will believe anything.

[demosthenes]

Cannot believe the Meyer obsession/hard-on/unrequited love/desperation still exhibited by some Gator fans. It's sad really...

[No1GatorFreak]

Just who IS this Urban fellow everyone keeps speaking of. I simply do NOT know him, nor do I care.:ninja:

He's that corch up north

[Tipmoose]

Its a far cry from his "We would crush them." statements while at Utah. Granted he hadn't developed Sabanitis yet and wasn't referring to Alabama.

[gatordee]

You may want to reread that. I cannot stand UM but I could not find anything wrong with it.

[fubar1]

Good grief. Nothing wrong or incorrect about what he said.

Some folks just need their daily dose of Meyer hatred I guess.

[tilly]

How dare he complement his own team...while mentioning that only SEC teams could beat Bama. How dare he I say!

[gator85jd]

Cannot believe the Meyer obsession/hard-on/unrequited love/desperation still exhibited by some Gator fans. It's sad really...

I cannot believe those posters like you who obsess over posters you decide are obesessed over urban. I would have had the same reaction if any other B10 coach did the same thing -- Hoke, Dantonio or any of them. Meyer sits on the ESPN set quiet as can be. If he thought like that, why didn't he say so?

[Minister_of_Information]

Nothing to see here.

[demosthenes]

I cannot believe those posters like you who obsess over posters you decide are obesessed over urban. I would have had the same reaction if any other B10 coach did the same thing -- Hoke, Dantonio or any of them. Meyer sits on the ESPN set quiet as can be. If he thought like that, why didn't he say so?

Whatever, you're not selling me on that nonsense. His statements were nothing. Only someone obsessed with him would read into them what you did.

[allhailmeyer]

Was Meyer the only undefeated coach this past season?

[gator85jd]

Was Meyer the only undefeated coach this past season?

So you're saying osu would beat Bama. Now that's funny. Can we say esophageal spasms?

[northandsouth]

Have personal experiences with Meyer. He went to Foley after a contentious Bull Gator meeting to have a few of us kicked out of the group.

We challenged his ethics and sportsmanship over a few actions during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. He did not like being questioned and pitched a holy fit with Foley. We remained in the group.

I have no respect for the man, and stated so during his last years here. I saw what was happening and thought our program deserved better. (Even had some arguments here with a moderator or two for openly stating my objections with the man when it was unpopular and not readily allowed here.)

That said, I have no problems with his comments about his program. Mostly I read it to say THE Ohio State University program is currently at neither Alabama, in specific, nor SEC, in general, standards. But they are working toward that.

I am amused that his continued lack of ethics shines through however. It is against the Coaches Association ethical standards for a coach to offer a prediction of a contest between other programs. Kevin Sumlin was asked to give a prediction on the BSCCG game and refused, stating the standard. Urban jumped right in the pool predicting Notre Dame to win a close game.

Urban has not met an ethical standard man enough to control his desire to do or say whatever he wishes.

[GatorAvatar]

I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

Very reasonable statement if you ask me. In fact, he gave props to SEC.

[sec1]

Go Gators !!

[gatorr4life]

Wonder what the attitude of GC will be if/when we play them? Because we will. Maybe not for it all, but we will.

[LimeyGator]

Oh come on now, Urban is right to start his media push. One thing we know about Urban - whether you are happy or not about the way he left - is that he's not stupid. He's smart about what he says - he did it at Florida and he's starting it now for a clear and obvious reason.

Let's face some facts:

OSU will be a 'strong' team next year. I say 'strong' because that's how the polls and the media will interpret them. Have you seen their schedule? It makes FSU or Georgia's schedule this season look like a Gauntlet. Aside of Michigan at the very end of the year, OSU play Wisconsin (under a new coach, at home) and that's about it. They should be a better bet to go undefeated next year than they were this year.

They also have a QB who is going to post some big numbers in his 3rd year, garnering more Heisman talk along the way, who will keep them relevant to the main stream media throughout the year, even when they are rolling over Indiana or San Diego State or whoever they play. It's set up to keep OSU as a talking point all year.

Urban is starting his NC push now by declaring tentatively that they could compete with anyone. He's not banging his chest, he's just subtly putting it out there and the ESPN Media Lap Dogs will start to fawn over them from Day 1 next season.

I'd do the same, wouldn't you? So what if he goes undefeated and then gets slammed like ND did in next year's Championship game. He'll be about 24-1 by then and he's got little to lose in doing so.

Smart move, Urban. Simple, game-planning of the media, that's all.

[Gatorrick22]

I'm so sick of the ever programmable ESPiN talking heads and their 'kill the all SEC Championship game talk' at all cost... BS! So lets pimp-out OSU this time around like we did with an overrated Notre Dame last year. That way we never have to see another LSU versus 'bama (all SEC) Championship game again.

[toddsevans]

Meyer has a nice history of betrayal. I am elated we have Will Muschamp but that doesn't mean I give Meyer a free pass for the way he treated the athletes and the people that had been so good to him. Yes he won 2 NCS but have some dignity. It's a little thing called honesty and "class". I'm not saying he can't coach.

[rpmGator]

Meyer has won everewhere he has been. He took a losing record OSU team and went undefeated with those same players.

He left us two of our three titles and our best era ever, was with him as HC.

Get the hell over it. You look foolish when you forget his won loss records. I have no doubt, he will rule the Big Ten for as long as he wants.

Which means, expect him to play for it all in the not too distant future.

[Donzo]

RPM, maybe you should tell the whole story…

For Ohio St., they were in disarray in 2011 & with organization, completely setup for a great win loss record in 2012- tons of talent & a ridiculously easy schedule. They also got incredibly lucky, which happens… We’ll see what they have next year. The Big 10 will be better & Ohio St. losses some talent, especially on D. Wisky returns a lot of players, they’ll give them a fight in their division.

At UF, Urby quit on the team & left a complete mess... This needs to be owned!

[Gatorrick22]

Meyer's just one throat-attack away from quitting on his team..........again.

[gatorman_07732]

Nothing there

[rpmGator]

So undefeated at Utah, winning at Bowling Green, two crystal balls, and undefeated at OSU, is ignored so you can say he got lucky and was given something.

And on the throat thing, he coached here another year until the noise in the system, the same noise that ran off SOS, just got too loud and helped him out the door.

Funny thing is, most of you blasted Addazio until Meyer left. Now its all on Meyer who's coaching results speak for itself.

Your lack of concern for Meyer when he needed us, means you failed him, not the other way around as we still have the majority of our crystal balls, due to his work here.

[1gatorbear]

Sour grapes.

[Gulfsailinggator]

Man, the lot of you sound like bitter ex-girlfriends. Grow up. Yes urban is a scumbag. Most if these used car salesman are. He brought two titles, lied and left. No story here. He will do the same at Ohio state.

[allhailmeyer]

So you're saying osu would beat Bama. Now that's funny. Can we say esophageal spasms?

No, im asking if there was another undefeated coach in D1 football for the 2012-2013 season.

I cant predict the future and if you could I imagine you would be the king of vegas.

[g8tr96]

So undefeated at Utah, winning at Bowling Green, two crystal balls, and undefeated at OSU, is ignored so you can say he got lucky and was given something.

And on the throat thing, he coached here another year until the noise in the system, the same noise that ran off SOS, just got too loud and helped him out the door.

Funny thing is, most of you blasted Addazio until Meyer left. Now its all on Meyer who's coaching results speak for itself.

Your lack of concern for Meyer when he needed us, means you failed him, not the other way around as we still have the majority of our crystal balls, due to his work here.


Are you really trying to blame us Gator fans for running Meyer off? Really? :no:

[Swampmaster]

after those 2009 / 2010 beatdowns, meyer wants nothing to do with saban and alabama.

[DeBigLeezard]

As a Bama fan there is no question about it Meyer is top 5 in active coaches. When he has "his" type of qb he's on par with Saban. When he was at Florida Saban and Smart couldnt figure out how Meyer's staff had the time to run all the formations with option principles in practice. His playbook limits what blitz packages you can run especially with a dynamic dual threat qb (Tebow/Newton) and receivers that could get on top of the defense (Murphy/Cooper).

Very well said...
Very astute...

We will see what he does with Ohio State this coming fall.
Yes, he has a VERY EASY schedule. Even easier than Georgia's last year.
People seem to forget that not only did Georgia's easy schedule allow them to win more games... but they did not get nicked up like we did... playing the tougher teams.
By mid-season... some of our playmakers (as few as we DID have)...were out for the Georgia game. (Patton).

[Swampmaster]

By mid-season... some of our playmakers (as few as we DID have)...were out for the Georgia game. (Patton).

patton got hurt during the ga game

[ofmgator]

Afriend of mine here in Atlanta knows Jeremy and privately found that Meyer realized yhat he could not beat Bama once Timmy was gone so he bailed. I believe that! tosu has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game!

[rpmGator]

Yep, same thing was done to SOS. Took the fun out of it for SOS when perfection was the only thing fans could live with. It was also the reason he didn't come back, as it was just more fun to go somewhere where he could have fun again.

When Meyer had health problems and pics of him at that time should show any fool the truth of the matter, he was attacked instead of defended.

Which one did you do?

The insults about his illness continue today, so maybe it should be obvious that we have some jackass fans like any other team.

I watched the interview with his daughter on Meyers health. Her words about her dad is nowhere near the same as what the jerks continue to believe.

I can cheer against OSU even with Meyer. But can also see the light of day through the crystal he left us.

[Swampmaster]

Yep, same thing was done to SOS. Took the fun out of it for SOS when perfection was the only thing fans could live with. It was also the reason he didn't come back, .

urban legend---spurrier left uf because of fans.

[DeBigLeezard]

SwampMaster:
I stand corrected...you are right.
However... a bunch of our linemen were dinged up. I know that the papers said otherwise... but I KNOW otherwise.

Have personal experiences with Meyer. He went to Foley after a contentious Bull Gator meeting to have a few of us kicked out of the group.

We challenged his ethics and sportsmanship over a few actions during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. He did not like being questioned and pitched a holy fit with Foley. We remained in the group.

I have no respect for the man, and stated so during his last years here. I saw what was happening and thought our program deserved better. (Even had some arguments here with a moderator or two for openly stating my objections with the man when it was unpopular and not readily allowed here.)

That said, I have no problems with his comments about his program. Mostly I read it to say THE Ohio State University program is currently at neither Alabama, in specific, nor SEC, in general, standards. But they are working toward that.

I am amused that his continued lack of ethics shines through however. It is against the Coaches Association ethical standards for a coach to offer a prediction of a contest between other programs. Kevin Sumlin was asked to give a prediction on the BSCCG game and refused, stating the standard. Urban jumped right in the pool predicting Notre Dame to win a close game.

Urban has not met an ethical standard man enough to control his desire to do or say whatever he wishes.

Thank you for the inside information.
I had heard stuff like this from some other Bull Gator sources... but what you have shared above... hits it more clearly.

Yes, all of us are very grateful for the two National Championships... but there was a side of Meyer that did not appeal to me. That's all I will say. I will not go into details.

Let's just say that I am VERY HAPPY that we have Muschamp as our coach.

He could have gone 8-3 this year and I would have loved the guy.
He's genuine...
He's loyal and downright emotional to the Gator Nation...
He's smart and knows his football X's and O's.
He does not put up with any BS from the team...
He is a phenominal recruiter and closer!
He's from Gainesville, for crying out loud!

Does anyone think that if Muschamp was the head coach at Notre Dame and was raised as a boy in South Bend... that he would be talking to the NFL after a bowl game?
Who would you rather have as the Head Coach of your Gators?
Kelly... or Will Muschamp?
Urban Meyer or Will Muschamp?
No contest!

[rpmGator]

We have fans that still hate Doug Dickey.

The new guy is always the popular guy. How long that lasts is undetermined.

Fickle is, what it is.

[jjenkins5]

I find his comments totally consistent with what I've come to expect from Meyer: hypocrisy. His team is simultaneously able to "compete with anyone" AND has "big holes to fill"? Really? How's that?

That he talks out of both sides on his mouth should surprise no one. He's crafty. I'll give him that. He tells the OSU folks what they want to hear and then lowers expectations in the same sentence. Genius. Glad that snake oil salesman is no longer wearing O&B.

[GatorSean]

Gee... Urbs is basically saying the SEC is the best conference and his own team wouldn't isn't as good.

Yep... he's definitely talking big... ABOUT THE SEC.

This is just another example of how some people let their hate completely skew their views. Everything he says and does gets twisted into something else. I used to get upset with those people, now I just pity them. I imagine they are still filled with rage from when they were dumped in middle school.

[gator85jd]

I find his comments totally consistent with what I've come to expect from Meyer: hypocrisy. His team is simultaneously able to "compete with anyone" AND has "big holes to fill"? Really? How's that?

That he talks out of both sides on his mouth should surprise no one. He's crafty. I'll give him that. He tells the OSU folks what they want to hear and then lowers expectations in the same sentence. Genius. Glad that snake oil salesman is no longer wearing O&B.

I am glad he threw "some other colors" on his shirt -- notwithstanding his words below.

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley (Florida Athletic Director), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.” — Urban Meyer, after resigning at UF (the first time) and then coming back to coach a day later.

[GATORAZ]

I am glad he threw "some other colors" on his shirt -- notwithstanding his words below.

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley (Florida Athletic Director), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.” — Urban Meyer, after resigning at UF (the first time) and then coming back to coach a day later.
People change their minds. I bet you will at least 3 times today.I cant believe you actually believed that when he said it.

[grayg8rstevo]

Are you really trying to blame us Gator fans for running Meyer off? Really? :no:

thank you for speaking it.
URBAN left because his program was out of control.
He was out of control.
He had to get out of Dodge.
HE DID.
And then...
a miracle happened.
His dream job opened up.
One of them.
He could not wait.
He is a good coach.Maybe great.
He has not proven that he can maintain a program like Spurrier.
He works for NOW.
He plays favorites and breaks his own rules when it suits him.
Coaches come to catch some glory then bolt.
He runs out of good assistants that can seamlessly transition from one to the next year...the house collapses.
He moves on..:yes:

[bearshark]

Mainly spoke of the strength of the SEC then stayed positive about his team.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Good lord he was 1-1 when he quit from being so scared of Saban. Makes total sense! All of these type A personalities just turn tail and run at the face of adversity. That's how they get to the top in the first place.

Stop perpetuating this nonsense, people.

[gatorbogey]

sounds like a typical coachspeak to me. confident about how your team measures up, but wary and cognitive of the faults.

and at the BCS-CG, meyer's reticence - if there was indeed any of that - is more about that stage being about saban and bama than meyer and the buckeyes.

[Tebowism0823]

So undefeated at Utah, winning at Bowling Green, two crystal balls, and undefeated at OSU, is ignored so you can say he got lucky and was given something.

And on the throat thing, he coached here another year until the noise in the system, the same noise that ran off SOS, just got too loud and helped him out the door.

Funny thing is, most of you blasted Addazio until Meyer left. Now its all on Meyer who's coaching results speak for itself.

Your lack of concern for Meyer when he needed us, means you failed him, not the other way around as we still have the majority of our crystal balls, due to his work here.

Noise in the system? You mean expectations? Or that fact that we were becoming the new thug u? You can be thankful for what he did and dislike him for what he did all at once. As for SOS, he wanted to go to the NFL. His ego was getting too big for college. He was quickly put back in his place.

Also where is this lack of concern? He quit on the team. He did the one thing that he preached religiously in the locker room to the players as what not to do. If somebody questions Meyer it doesn't mean they are questioning his accomplishments, it means they're questioning the way he left.

We owe him nothing just as he owes us nothing.

[Tebowism0823]

Man, the lot of you sound like bitter ex-girlfriends. Grow up. Yes urban is a scumbag. Most if these used car salesman are. He brought two titles, lied and left. No story here. He will do the same at Ohio state.

So basically you're saying the same as most but they are the ones that sound like bitter ex-girlfriends? Gotcha :)

[Tebowism0823]

Are you really trying to blame us Gator fans for running Meyer off? Really? :no:

Yeah that's such an excuse for them waking.

[G8R92]

First, Meyer's quote referenced by the OP was simply put, a complement of SEC football. Second, Meyer was paid to do a job at UF and unequivocally delivered. Get it in your heads now that Muschamp is also being paid to do a job.

[Tebowism0823]

Yep, same thing was done to SOS. Took the fun out of it for SOS when perfection was the only thing fans could live with. It was also the reason he didn't come back, as it was just more fun to go somewhere where he could have fun again.

When Meyer had health problems and pics of him at that time should show any fool the truth of the matter, he was attacked instead of defended.

Which one did you do?

The insults about his illness continue today, so maybe it should be obvious that we have some jackass fans like any other team.

I watched the interview with his daughter on Meyers health. Her words about her dad is nowhere near the same as what the jerks continue to believe.

I can cheer against OSU even with Meyer. But can also see the light of day through the crystal he left us.

SOS didn't come back because Jeremy didn't want him back. As far as Meyer goes, his health wasn't an issue. It's called stress, he just didn't know how to handle it anymore. Well, I guess that one year off has really taught him how to now.

[Tebowism0823]

People change their minds. I bet you will at least 3 times today.I cant believe you actually believed that when he said it.

The difference is we don't say things in public and then change it especially when it effects others not just ourselves. Huge difference.

[gatorman_07732]

SOS didn't come back because Jeremy didn't want him back. As far as Meyer goes, his health wasn't an issue. It's called stress, he just didn't know how to handle it anymore. Well, I guess that one year off has really taught him how to now.

Just curios how you know Jeremy didn't want SOS back.

[Tebowism0823]

Good lord he was 1-1 when he quit from being so scared of Saban. Makes total sense! All of these type A personalities just turn tail and run at the face of adversity. That's how they get to the top in the first place.

Stop perpetuating this nonsense, people.

It's only nonsense because you believe differently.

[GatorAvatar]

Meyer has won everewhere he has been. He took a losing record OSU team and went undefeated with those same players.

He left us two of our three titles and our best era ever, was with him as HC.

Get the hell over it. You look foolish when you forget his won loss records. I have no doubt, he will rule the Big Ten for as long as he wants.

Which means, expect him to play for it all in the not too distant future.

But but but but...

[Tebowism0823]

Just curios how you know Jeremy didn't want SOS back.

That's a pretty widely known decision.

[GatorAvatar]

So undefeated at Utah, winning at Bowling Green, two crystal balls, and undefeated at OSU, is ignored so you can say he got lucky and was given something.

And on the throat thing, he coached here another year until the noise in the system, the same noise that ran off SOS, just got too loud and helped him out the door.

Funny thing is, most of you blasted Addazio until Meyer left. Now its all on Meyer who's coaching results speak for itself.

Your lack of concern for Meyer when he needed us, means you failed him, not the other way around as we still have the majority of our crystal balls, due to his work here.

Tell them bro...

[GatorSean]

That's a pretty widely known decision.

Ummm.... no its not.

[tilly]

What's funny is the OP was silly. No one can defend the OP... so the Urban bashers just fall back to the old lines.

Fact is...there was NOTHING wrong with what Urban said. It was in no way what the title of this thread implies...and I have some issues with Urban...but they don't give me insomnia like it apparently does for some.

[GatorAvatar]

We have fans that still hate Doug Dickey.

The new guy is always the popular guy. How long that lasts is undetermined.

Fickle is, what it is.

Always love adults on the board. Well said.

[GatorAvatar]

First, Meyer's quote referenced by the OP was simply put, a complement of SEC football. Second, Meyer was paid to do a job at UF and unequivocally delivered. Get it in your heads now that Muschamp is also being paid to do a job.

I wonder what they will be saying about Muschamp if he hasn't won anything after 5 years. I'm sure they will somehow find a way to blame Urban.

[tilly]

It's only nonsense because you believe differently.

Or because there is ZERO evidence.

We have no idea what would have played out with Urban. He was recruiting neck and neck with Saban and had just recently beat him in an SEC championship. Maybe he loses 4 straight....but he did not believe that he would. He's to cocky and confident. I think he was ...Stressed out. Got out. Missed it. Got back in.

[FriendlyGator]

Not really talking big he says he has too many holes to fill.. Clearly only teams he stated that could beat Alabama is fellow SEC teams, personally I wouldn't take too much of what he said... He knows he can't compete with the SEC

Yeah in looking at the thread title I was expecting some strong comments. He basically is complimenting the SEC and acknowledging his own undefeated team still has holes to fill to be able to compete at that level.

[Tebowism0823]

Ummm.... no its not.

Actually it is....you may not have known it but its known. Not to mention the fact that he felt the need that he shouldn't have to interview again.

[GatorAvatar]

What's funny is the OP was silly. No one can defend the OP... so the Urban bashers just fall back to the old lines.

Fact is...there was NOTHING wrong with what Urban said. It was in no way what the title of this thread implies...and I have some issues with Urban...but they don't give me insomnia like it apparently does for some.

I, like most people, bashed Urban when he left for OSU. I was pissed off at him, but I got over it. If we are to be honest with ourselves, we would admit that Urban can coach. The man knows how to prepare a team for a big game better than anyone in the country, except maybe Saban. In the future the NC game will not have an SEC team in it, and you can bet your sweet rear-ends that Urban will win it.

[Tebowism0823]

I, like most people, bashed Urban when he left for OSU. I was pissed off at him, but I got over it. If we are to be honest with ourselves, we would admit that Urban can coach. The man knows how to prepare a team for a big game better than anyone in the country, except maybe Saban. In the future the NC game will not have an SEC team in it, and you can bet your sweet rear-ends that Urban will win it.

Meyer will not win a title at osu IMO. He might play for one but the SEC isn't going anywhere. I don't believe anyone here is saying he can't coach but only that he seems to buckle when the waters get a little rocky.

[Bushmaster]

My coach speak dictionary defines "we can play with anybody" as "we will probably lose, but we won't get embarrassed."

Same definition for "we would be competitive."

[gator85jd]

What's funny is the OP was silly. No one can defend the OP... so the Urban bashers just fall back to the old lines.

Fact is...there was NOTHING wrong with what Urban said. It was in no way what the title of this thread implies...and I have some issues with Urban...but they don't give me insomnia like it apparently does for some.

I slept just fine last night, thanks for your concern.

I find it interesting that on the ESPN set at the BCSCG one of the talking heads questioned whether there was anyone who could challenge Saban. He said this right in front of Meyer. Meyer said NOTHING! He was as timid as he could have been. Then, once he's out of sight of Saban, he begins talking. Why not talk when he was on the set?

Let it go. He was paid to do a job in Gainesville at "that other school" and he did it. He's gone. Let it go. You don't need to watch out for sick little urban anymore. He's gone. His esophageal spasms have gone away. You can stop.

I still think it would have been the ultimate in hilarious if Saban had snuck up behind him on TV and yelled "BOO!"

[GatorAvatar]

I slept just fine last night, thanks for your concern.

I find it interesting that on the ESPN set at the BCSCG one of the talking heads questioned whether there was anyone who could challenge Saban. He said this right in front of Meyer. Meyer said NOTHING! He was as timid as he could have been. Then, once he's out of sight of Saban, he begins talking. Why not talk when he was on the set?

Let it go. He was paid to do a job in Gainesville at "that other school" and he did it. He's gone. Let it go. You don't need to watch out for sick little urban anymore. He's gone. His esophageal spasms have gone away. You can stop.

I still think it would have been the ultimate in hilarious if Saban had snuck up behind him on TV and yelled "BOO!"

You sound childish.

[Lawdog88]

What Limey said: Urbs is just working the media.

Of course, he couldn't work the media as a commentator at the BCS Champ game . . . without sounding totally stupid and OSU / Big 10 homerish.

So he put some distance between the game and his comments, and here he goes, shilling for his team and his conference. Understandable.

[GatorSean]

Actually it is....you may not have known it but its known. Not to mention the fact that he felt the need that he shouldn't have to interview again.


Actually its not. Reading things on the internet isn't even in the same realm of knowing the truth and actually understanding the various factors that go into decisions like that.

There is not a single shred of evidence, aside from message boards, that Foley didn't want Spurrier, or for that matter, that Spurrier was even interested in coming back.

[GatorSean]

Wait... the guy who started this thread is telling other people to 'let it go'??

[GatorAvatar]

Wait... the guy who started this thread is telling other people to 'let it go'??

Lol

[gator85jd]

You sound childish.

Your opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds. I can't tell you the number of times I feel the same way about your rants, but typically I keep that to myself.

[GatorAvatar]

Your opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds. I can't tell you the number of times I feel the same way about your rants, but typically I keep that to myself.

My 'rants' are based on facts and are objective. You on the other hand seem to like to make funny of Urban who won us TWO crystal balls.

[Tebowism0823]

Actually its not. Reading things on the internet isn't even in the same realm of knowing the truth and actually understanding the various factors that go into decisions like that.

There is not a single shred of evidence, aside from message boards, that Foley didn't want Spurrier, or for that matter, that Spurrier was even interested in coming back.

I don't get my info from the Internet so I'll just shrug that part off as you not knowing the whole story. Spurrier was indeed interested and Foley wasn't. I'll leave it at that.

[DeBigLeezard]

People want to continually justify Urban's behavior because he was, "...a mercenary and that he won two national championships."
Like that status and those accomplishments made EVERYTHING he said and did alright.

Look... I liked Urban. I was very glad at what he did from galvanizing the fanbase to bringing back the former players (that was a way long overdue action) and even getting the frats to being on the team's side. He did things here at Florida that needed to be done... that should have been done... years ago!

But, IMHO... that does NOT justify what he did in the WAY he acted in leaving us TWO times. It's not that he left TWO times... it was the WAY he handled it.

ANNND... it was what he declared, without hesitency... about how he felt toward the University of Florida... his convictions, etc.

Once again, here are his words:

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley (Florida Athletic Director), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.”

That, my friends is NOT a marginal statement by Urban....

We believe him.
We all believed him.

We believed and trusted him so much that we did, as a University, as Boosters, as players, as fans... whatever he wanted in those TWO departures.
As a University, as Boosters, as a fanbase.... we could not have been more supportive, more patient.

I can tell you that the University of Alabama administration, Boosters and the fans would not have been so patient and understanding regarding that SECOND time he came back.
The "Gods Of Arrogancy" would have sent him his pink slip in a nanosecond.

So, am I sincerly grateful for the two national championships?
Sure I am. Without question.

But those two nattys do not justify his words and actions in the weeks that surround his departure... TWO times.

Have I moved onward?
Sure, I have.

I just want to make sure that we as a University, as Boosters, players and former players and fans all learn from this.
Who, among us would want to have Urban Meyer back as our coach?
Sorry, not me. I am glad that he is at OSU. Let them deal with him.

I already took him back, not once but twice.
He could have been a lot more honest with all of us during those two times.

[gator85jd]

My 'rants' are based on facts and are objective. You on the other hand seem to like to make funny of Urban who won us TWO crystal balls.

Who says UF didn't win two NCs while he was here. Did he do that by himself? How am I "making funny" of Meyer? You don't see humor in this whole situation? He pussed out when faced with a formidable opponent -- Saban. He ran away to the Big 10, but now must face Saban's continued success. When faced with it, he was pretty timid -- until he was not in the presence of Saban anymore. Then he started talking again.

Your rants are objective? That's so assinine that it's funny.

[gator85jd]

Wait... the guy who started this thread is telling other people to 'let it go'??

Yes, let it go, Sean. Let it go. As I said earlier in this thread, I would have posted a thread if it had been any other coach of a Big 10 team who sat on the ESPN set at the BCSCG and was tongue-tied while everyone was talking about the ability to beat Saban, then started talking once he was not in the presence of Saban.

Let go of your need to defend urban -- that's Shelly's job now.

[gatordavisl]

I would have had the same reaction if any other B10 coach did the same thing -- :lie: :lie: :lie:

[wci347]

He's two losses to Michigan away from calling it a day.

[red4512]

The Liar.

[GatorAvatar]

Who says UF didn't win two NCs while he was here. Did he do that by himself? How am I "making funny" of Meyer? You don't see humor in this whole situation? He pussed out when faced with a formidable opponent -- Saban. He ran away to the Big 10, but now must face Saban's continued success. When faced with it, he was pretty timid -- until he was not in the presence of Saban anymore. Then he started talking again.

Your rants are objective? That's so assinine that it's funny.

Yeah I was right the first time, you sound like a petulant child.

[gatordavisl]

Wait... the guy who started this thread is telling other people to 'let it go'?? :laugh:

[og8trz]

Don't forget Urban did it to the Bams the year before. I see nothing wrong with he said.

Why is there so much anger directed at a guy who won two crystal footballs for us in 4 years?

[bullish]

Norte Dame was saying the same thing before the game, we can probably play with them, they did and came up a little short. OSU no different, they will always come up short with SEC Teams. Now that Urban is there, he couldn't keep up the competition here so in the Big 10 he will only see a SEC maybe once a year. He is safe to boast.

All this is, "Puffing" he better watch it or he might get an Esophagal spasm! LOL

I wonder if the alumni of OSU will get Urban in trouble with the NCAA and go down like Tressel? They are notorious for payola!

[malscott]

Urbs is okay in my book...gave us some stars, some championships, some decent notoriety. Helped build our tradition and legacy along and also left us high and dry...breaking up is always hard. Someone always looks like the a-hole. (often someone is) Being undefeated in any conference is a decent accomplishment. He should be proud and excited. Hard to judge how good they are based on their conference. I do pray often for Meeeshigan! I think they recruited a couple of studs this year too.

[AFCyberGator]

Urbs is okay in my book...gave us some stars, some championships, some decent notoriety. Helped build our tradition and legacy along and also left us high and dry...breaking up is always hard. Someone always looks like the a-hole. (often someone is) Being undefeated in any conference is a decent accomplishment. He should be proud and excited. Hard to judge how good they are based on their conference. I do pray often for Meeeshigan! I think they recruited a couple of studs this year too.

How dare you say nice things about Urban Meyer here on this forum!

I wish nothing but the best for him, and I look forward to making him Gator bait.

[number1]

I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

You should know by now a lot of folks in this forum just like to go out of their way to discredit him.

[number1]

Meyer has won everewhere he has been. He took a losing record OSU team and went undefeated with those same players.

He left us two of our three titles and our best era ever, was with him as HC.

Get the hell over it. You look foolish when you forget his won loss records. I have no doubt, he will rule the Big Ten for as long as he wants.

Which means, expect him to play for it all in the not too distant future.

I equate this to the LSU fans hating Nick Saban like he wasn't the reason for them becoming a national power in the first place. lol

[number1]

And I would like to caution Gator fans about underestimating Ohio State just because they play in the SlowTen. If I recall folks weren't too impressed with Louisville and we saw the result of that one. Ohio State could have easily done the same thing, we all know Meyer is always prepared for the bowl game.

[GatorAvatar]

And I would like to caution Gator fans about underestimating Ohio State just because they play in the SlowTen. If I recall folks weren't too impressed with Louisville and we saw the result of that one. Ohio State could have easily done the same thing, we all know Meyer is always prepared for the bowl game.

Exactly hat I have been saying. Meyer can prepare a team for a BCS bowl game. If you ask Saban, of all coaches in the nation, who wouldn't he want to face in a BCSNC, I am sure he would say Urban. Do you think Saban is scared of Chip Kelly, Mark Richt, The Hat, Stoops? Nah...none of those fools can plot mano-a-mano with Saban. Urban can.

[GatorAvatar]

Meyer will not win a title at osu IMO. He might play for one but the SEC isn't going anywhere. I don't believe anyone here is saying he can't coach but only that he seems to buckle when the waters get a little rocky.

Playoffs are coming...with injuries, suspensions etc, anything can happen (See Utah vs Bama and UL vs. Florida).

[gator85jd]

Exactly hat I have been saying. Meyer can prepare a team for a BCS bowl game. If you ask Saban, of all coaches in the nation, who wouldn't he want to face in a BCSNC, I am sure he would say Urban. Do you think Saban is scared of Chip Kelly, Mark Richt, The Hat, Stoops? Nah...none of those fools can plot mano-a-mano with Saban. Urban can.

He got his ass handed to him by Saban last time they met. We had the more talented and athletic team, we just got outplayed and out coached. You might not remember that game -- but it sent Meyer to the hospital.

[Lawdog88]

Exactly hat I have been saying. Meyer can prepare a team for a BCS bowl game. If you ask Saban, of all coaches in the nation, who wouldn't he want to face in a BCSNC, I am sure he would say Urban. Do you think Saban is scared of Chip Kelly, Mark Richt, The Hat, Stoops? Nah...none of those fools can plot mano-a-mano with Saban. Urban can.


That was good for a laugh.

[GatorAvatar]

He got his ass handed to him by Saban last time they met. We had the more talented and athletic team, we just got outplayed and out coached. You might not remember that game -- but it sent Meyer to the hospital.

It was not in a BCS bowl game. In a NC game, Urban can probably go head to head with Saban and beat him 3 out of 5 times.

[Matthanuf06]

If anyone seriously thinks the fans can cause such expectations at a major powerhouse to the point of a coach quitting then I have some oceanfront land in Arizona to sell you. It is easily one of the most retarded illogical guesses I've ever heard about anything. Beyond dumb.

(Nevermind the fact Meyer went to OSU which has equal or higher expectations than us).

[Minister_of_Information]

If anyone seriously thinks the fans can cause such expectations at a major powerhouse to the point of a coach quitting then I have some oceanfront land in Arizona to sell you. It is easily one of the most retarded illogical guesses I've ever heard about anything. Beyond dumb.

(Nevermind the fact Meyer went to OSU which has equal or higher expectations than us).

Ever heard of Steve Spurrier?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

It's only nonsense because you believe differently.

Also because it's illogical and without a shred of support.

[Tipmoose]

Yeah I was right the first time, you sound like a petulant child.

This is called an ad hominem attack and is the surest sign the one making it has no factual argument to offer.

[Tebowism0823]

Or because there is ZERO evidence.

We have no idea what would have played out with Urban. He was recruiting neck and neck with Saban and had just recently beat him in an SEC championship. Maybe he loses 4 straight....but he did not believe that he would. He's to cocky and confident. I think he was ...Stressed out. Got out. Missed it. Got back in.

What more do you need? He won 2 titles, albeit with the help of great coaches and players, but he let the program get run down and then bailed citing health issues. Not to mention all the inside issues he had with college football. Then a year later all of a sudden things are good to go? It doesn't take much for someone to conclude that he didn't have the balls to fix what he created nor do I believe he could. The first sign of adversity and he fled. Now I sleep just fine like you but there's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

[Tebowism0823]

Playoffs are coming...with injuries, suspensions etc, anything can happen (See Utah vs Bama and UL vs. Florida).

I didn't even take that into play. Good point.

[Tebowism0823]

Ever heard of Steve Spurrier?

Yeah he's the one who left for the pros because his ego told him he could do anything. How'd that work out?

[Tebowism0823]

Also because it's illogical and without a shred of support.

No it's not. It's not always cut and dry like you need it.

[Minister_of_Information]

Yeah he's the one who left for the pros because his ego told him he could do anything. How'd that work out?

So are you saying he never cited unrelenting expectations as a reason to move on?

[Matthanuf06]

So are you saying he never cited unrelenting expectations as a reason to move on?

Do you realize he went to the pros where the pressure and expectations are even higher? Where you have even less control? Less control with higher expectations isn't exactly a place a coach goes if he shies away from expectations.

If SOS went from UF straight to USC you would have an argument. He didn't. He went to freaking Washington under Dan Snyder.

If anything he was bored of college, not scared of the challenge.

[gator85jd]

It was not in a BCS bowl game. In a NC game, Urban can probably go head to head with Saban and beat him 3 out of 5 times.

He wouldn't beat Saban 3 out of 10 times.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

No it's not. It's not always cut and dry like you need it.

Well unless Meyer posts here we know it's unsupported.

The "Meyer was scared of Saban" narrative arose solely to coddle people who were otherwise upset that he left.

[Tebowism0823]

So are you saying he never cited unrelenting expectations as a reason to move on?

No I know he mentioned that as I played under him for 2 years before Ron got there. Knowing him though I place it more so on his ego them the expectations from the fans. As Matt stated, pressure and expectations are much higher in the pros; especially with an owner like Snyder.

[Tebowism0823]

Well unless Meyer posts here we know it's unsupported.

The "Meyer was scared of Saban" narrative arose solely to coddle people who were otherwise upset that he left.

My argument isn't whether or not he was/is scared of Saban. I could personally give a rats ass. My comments were more about questioning his so called reasons for leaving only to turn up a year later. Not sure we are discussing the same thing here so I'm not sure if I misread your original post.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

My argument isn't whether or not he was/is scared of Saban. I could personally give a rats ass. My comments were more about questioning his so called reasons for leaving only to turn up a year later. Not sure we are discussing the same thing here so I'm not sure if I misread your original post.

None of us know why he left, so I see no reason to inject our unfounded opinions as the truth.

[Tebowism0823]

None of us know why he left, so I see no reason to inject our unfounded opinions as the truth.

How dare someone bring up a theory on a message board.

[gator85jd]

How dare someone bring up a theory on a message board.

It's acceptable to bring up theories and opinions on a message board so long as the poster presents them as unequivocal fact.

[Tebowism0823]

It's acceptable to bring up theories and opinions on a message board so long as the poster presents them as unequivocal fact.

Ah......message board 101.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yeah I very rarely see it presented as "I believe ..."

[Tebowism0823]

It wouldn't matter most of the time

[jms]

Urban WHO?

[GatorAvatar]

Urban WHO?

And who are you?

[cudigator]

I love urban Meyer and what he gave this program. That's all I really have to say.

[Juggernautz]

He used us a stepping stone to get his "dream" job.

That's all I have to say.

[GatorAvatar]

He used us a stepping stone to get his "dream" job.

That's all I have to say.

Well, I hope Muschamp uses us as a stepping stone and leaves us two crystal balls.

[gator85jd]

And who are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4

That's Who.

[gator85jd]

Well, I hope Muschamp uses us as a stepping stone and leaves us two crystal balls.

You apparently have Doormat Syndrome.

[GatorAvatar]

You apparently have Doormat Syndrome.

And you have losers syndrome.

[Swampmaster]

schools like alabama, notre dame, ohio state, usc---dream jobs. Florida---a good job, with a pathway to a dream job in the pros or at a bigtime university.

[gator85jd]

And you have losers syndrome.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'll put my accomplishments up against yours any day, sweetie.

[col_kurtz]

I find his comments totally consistent with what I've come to expect from Meyer: hypocrisy. His team is simultaneously able to "compete with anyone" AND has "big holes to fill"? Really? How's that?

That he talks out of both sides on his mouth should surprise no one. He's crafty. I'll give him that. He tells the OSU folks what they want to hear and then lowers expectations in the same sentence. Genius. Glad that snake oil salesman is no longer wearing O&B.

Maybe the big holes he is referring to are in his esophagus. Try the purple pill

[Hill_Raiser]

As a Bama fan there is no question about it Meyer is top 5 in active coaches. When he has "his" type of qb he's on par with Saban.

LOL. That's like saying you are happy if your wife thinks that you are one of her top 5 lays ever. The gap b/w Saban as a coach and Urban as a coach is so great that it sent his azz to the hospital. I agree that Urban is a great coach when he has a QB that is better than everybody else.

[TIMaGATOR]

In all likelihood Meyer will get his team to a BCS bowl next year where he will likely face an SEC team. He will see then how many holes he still has left to fill.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

LOL. That's like saying you are happy if your wife thinks that you are one of her top 5 lays ever. The gap b/w Saban as a coach and Urban as a coach is so great that it sent his azz to the hospital. I agree that Urban is a great coach when he has a QB that is better than everybody else.

Like Josh Harris, Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, Braxton .... wait, maybe Meyer is a good coach after all ...

[GatorSean]

Yes, let it go, Sean. Let it go. As I said earlier in this thread, I would have posted a thread if it had been any other coach of a Big 10 team who sat on the ESPN set at the BCSCG and was tongue-tied while everyone was talking about the ability to beat Saban, then started talking once he was not in the presence of Saban.

Let go of your need to defend urban -- that's Shelly's job now.

How about this, if you don't like people calling you a scorned women, and you don't like people defending Urbs, why don't YOU let it go and stop making threads about him?

There would be nothing for me and others to defend if YOU would just let it go. We're not the ones creating these threads, are we?

I mean, this is an 8 page thread now, and I don't see a SINGLE person who thinks he said something wrong as you implied. Doesn't that tell you something?

[gator85jd]

How about this, if you don't like people calling you a scorned women, and you don't like people defending Urbs, why don't YOU let it go and stop making threads about him?

There would be nothing for me and others to defend if YOU would just let it go. We're not the ones creating these threads, are we?

I mean, this is an 8 page thread now, and I don't see a SINGLE person who thinks he said something wrong as you implied. Doesn't that tell you something?

I didn't imply it -- I came right out and explicitly stated it. If you didn't see a SINGLE person who agreed, then you need to sharpen your reading skills and go back and re-read the posts. If you don't like these threads, then don't click on them. How's that for empowering you to take control of your life?

Who said I don't like people calling me a scorned "women"? Where did you see that?

[gatorr4life]

So undefeated at Utah, winning at Bowling Green, two crystal balls, and undefeated at OSU, is ignored so you can say he got lucky and was given something.

And on the throat thing, he coached here another year until the noise in the system, the same noise that ran off SOS, just got too loud and helped him out the door.

Funny thing is, most of you blasted Addazio until Meyer left. Now its all on Meyer who's coaching results speak for itself.

Your lack of concern for Meyer when he needed us, means you failed him, not the other way around as we still have the majority of our crystal balls, due to his work here.

You know, I've been semi critical in the way he departed. But this post is really a great reality/ perspective check. Great post. Still a little frustrated about him staying on just to help his assistants. But really, can you blame him? Those assistants helped him get those crystal balls. As time goes by, I believe most on here will change their tune. (Or not)

Like I said earlier, it will be very interesting to see how people react when we play them in a bowl game. (Myself included) :joecool:

[gatorr4life]

That being said, I still don't understand why he chose to go to a place where the pressure is exactly the same. (if not worse)

[gator85jd]

That being said, I still don't understand why he chose to go to a place where the pressure is exactly the same. (if not worse)

Particularly now that he set the bar high for himself going undefeated in his throw-away season.

[tilly]

I slept just fine last night, thanks for your concern.

I find it interesting that on the ESPN set at the BCSCG one of the talking heads questioned whether there was anyone who could challenge Saban. He said this right in front of Meyer. Meyer said NOTHING! He was as timid as he could have been. Then, once he's out of sight of Saban, he begins talking. Why not talk when he was on the set?

Let it go. He was paid to do a job in Gainesville at "that other school" and he did it. He's gone. Let it go. You don't need to watch out for sick little urban anymore. He's gone. His esophageal spasms have gone away. You can stop.

I still think it would have been the ultimate in hilarious if Saban had snuck up behind him on TV and yelled "BOO!"

I have no idea how to respond. When my kids wake up in the morning maybe they can help. :/

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tablet using Gator Country

[gator85jd]

I have no idea how to respond. When my kids wake up in the morning maybe they can help. :/

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tablet using Gator Country

Why, do your kids have special education degrees? It's good of them to help their challenged old man. ;-\

But, frankly I wouldn't count on them to fight your fights for you . . . challenged or not, some day you have to learn to stand on your own two feet. Your kids may grow tired of this and move away. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, though, it's good that you get on these message boards and try to mainstream into society. There's a guy who calls into the Finebaum show on a regular basis who is doing that, too. Props to you, tilly!

[irish2u2]

thank you for speaking it.
URBAN left because his program was out of control.
He was out of control.
He had to get out of Dodge.
HE DID.
And then...
a miracle happened.
His dream job opened up.
One of them.
He could not wait.
He is a good coach.Maybe great.
He has not proven that he can maintain a program like Spurrier.
He works for NOW.
He plays favorites and breaks his own rules when it suits him.
Coaches come to catch some glory then bolt.
He runs out of good assistants that can seamlessly transition from one to the next year...the house collapses.
He moves on..:yes:

What HE said. :joecool: Rep to you Steve.

As for how can anybody beat Alabama (much, much easier said than done ) I don't think the Buckeyes will be in that conversation.

You beat Bama by either having an otherworldly offense like Oregon or TAM or by playing their game better than they do. Florida may be able to employ both approaches if all goes right. :joecool: That's what my wish is for and it is my personal belief that Florida wins a national championship before OSU.

Ohio State is going to get players but they won't get the same elite people that top SEC programs get. The type of players Bama, LSU, Georgia and Florida get. Meyer will win Big 10 tiles. He will beat Michigan. He will talk the best game in the world but when it comes down to it... like in 2014 when the playoffs start and assuming OSU qualifies.... his Buckeyes won't be very different from Tressel's Buckeyes.

Gator Bait. :joecool:

[GATORAZ]

Ohio State is going to get players but they won't get the same elite people that top SEC programs get. The type of players Bama, LSU, Georgia and Florida get. Meyer will win Big 10 tiles. He will beat Michigan. He will talk the best game in the world but when it comes down to it... like in 2014 when the playoffs start and assuming OSU qualifies.... his Buckeyes won't be very different from Tressel's Buckeyes.


Meyer is getting elite talent.

[DieAGator]

Meyer's going to play a weak schedule and try to go undefeated and with his past success campaign to get his team in the big game.

[Juggernautz]

Well, I hope Muschamp uses us as a stepping stone and leaves us two crystal balls.

Spoken like a true band wagon'er!

Carry on bubba.

[Donzo]

URBAN left because his program was out of control.
He was out of control.
He had to get out of Dodge:

Yep...

I'll add in a comment from my man Omar:

"Toward the end of Coach Meyer's time here, a lot of guys were out for themselves" explains defensive lineman Omar Hunter. "He was out for himself, so they thought the same thing."

[GatorSean]

I didn't imply it -- I came right out and explicitly stated it. If you didn't see a SINGLE person who agreed, then you need to sharpen your reading skills and go back and re-read the posts. If you don't like these threads, then don't click on them. How's that for empowering you to take control of your life?

Who said I don't like people calling me a scorned "women"? Where did you see that?


Who said I didn't like these threads? I find your revisionist history and hypocrisy truly fascinating.

Rest assured, every time you twist the truth in a feeble attempt to justify your hate, I'll be here.

[gator85jd]

Meyer's going to play a weak schedule and try to go undefeated and with his past success campaign to get his team in the big game.

Sounds like the Bobby Bowden approach to winning titles.

[tilly]

Why, do your kids have special education degrees? It's good of them to help their challenged old man. ;-\

But, frankly I wouldn't count on them to fight your fights for you . . . challenged or not, some day you have to learn to stand on your own two feet. Your kids may grow tired of this and move away. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, though, it's good that you get on these message boards and try to mainstream into society. There's a guy who calls into the Finebaum show on a regular basis who is doing that, too. Props to you, tilly!

Lol...nice try....My kids are all 8 and under...thus they might understand you.

The point is you somehow took what Urban said as "Talking Big" no one has agreed with you...except those spouting the same tired Urban lines.

He complimented Bama.
He complimented the SEC and basically said his team isn't there yet.

Your assertion was completely biased and has no merit.

Now if your struggling to comprehend what we are trying to tell you than I'll let you pick which of my children (ages 2, 6 and 8) is best suited to explain it in simple small words for you.

Your post was just wrong factually on every level.

[Lawdog88]

Like I said earlier, it will be very interesting to see how people react when we play them in a bowl game. (Myself included) :joecool:



Whaaa ???

GATOR BAIT.

That is all.

[gator85jd]

Lol...nice try....My kids are all 8 and under...thus they might understand you.

The point is you somehow took what Urban said as "Talking Big" no one has agreed with you...except those spouting the same tired Urban lines.

He complimented Bama.
He complimented the SEC and basically said his team isn't there yet.

Your assertion was completely biased and has no merit.

Now if your struggling to comprehend what we are trying to tell you than I'll let you pick which of my children (ages 2, 6 and 8) is best suited to explain it in simple small words for you.

Your post was just wrong factually on every level.

Little mind. Have your kids explain it to you. But again, don't rely on them too much -- one day they'll be gone and you'll have to manage life on your own.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Work on it! I bet with focused, consistent effort you can improve.

If this thread upsets you, don't click on it. Even small children should be able to compress that. Ask your children for help with it. But again, don't become too dependent on them.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Little mind. Have your kids explain it to you.

Good lord, dude.

[The_Graygator]

I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

Me niether.

[tilly]

Little mind. Have your kids explain it to you. But again, don't rely on them too much -- one day they'll be gone and you'll have to manage life on your own.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Work on it! I bet with focused, consistent effort you can improve.

If this thread upsets you, don't click on it. Even small children should be able to compress that. Ask your children for help with it. But again, don't become too dependent on them.

OK. Got it. My 2 year old just explained that the above quote is a smoke screen to divert attention from a poorly constructed and factually deprived original post.

Man that kid is brilliant. I'm not sure how I make it through my work day without him at my desk.

[gator85jd]

Great! Good for you that you have competent assistance. Now here's a real challenge for your two year old. See if he can teach you not to click on threads you know are upsetting to you. It's something so simple, yet it appears to escape you.

Given that your two year old has your tutelage under control, I see no reason to continue my dialogue with you on this. Good luck to you! Go Gators!

[SECund2nun]

Meyer is getting elite talent.

His big 10 talent is inferior to elite SEC talent.
He will get crushed if he faces a top SEC team

[GATORAZ]

His big 10 talent is inferior to elite SEC talent.
He will get crushed if he faces a top SEC team

This doesn't make sense

[gator85jd]

His big 10 talent is inferior to elite SEC talent.
He will get crushed if he faces a top SEC team

IIRC, he worked to stregthen ties with HS coaches in Florida after he had been hired by pOSU but before he actually took over coaching duties. I know that when they were preparing to face us in the Gator Bowl, he was working, but not coaching the team. He likely will continue to try to recruit the same kids SEC schools are going after.

[SECund2nun]

This doesn't make sense

Yeah it does. The state of Ohio does not produce the quality and quantity of talent that Florida, Alabama etc do.

[SECund2nun]

IIRC, he worked to stregthen ties with HS coaches in Florida after he had been hired by pOSU but before he actually took over coaching duties. I know that when they were preparing to face us in the Gator Bowl, he was working, but not coaching the team. He likely will continue to try to recruit the same kids SEC schools are going after.

He will be able to pluck a few here and there just like OSU always does, but most of the South Eastern kids will stay in the SE and most of his roster will consist of Ohio and other Northern kids.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yeah it does. The state of Ohio does not produce the quality and quantity of talent that Florida, Alabama etc do.

You're not under the impression that OSU is only recruiting Ohio kids or that other schools aren't dipping into Ohio, right?

[socraticsilence]

Yep, same thing was done to SOS. Took the fun out of it for SOS when perfection was the only thing fans could live with. It was also the reason he didn't come back, as it was just more fun to go somewhere where he could have fun again.

When Meyer had health problems and pics of him at that time should show any fool the truth of the matter, he was attacked instead of defended.

Which one did you do?

The insults about his illness continue today, so maybe it should be obvious that we have some jackass fans like any other team.

I watched the interview with his daughter on Meyers health. Her words about her dad is nowhere near the same as what the jerks continue to believe.

I can cheer against OSU even with Meyer. But can also see the light of day through the crystal he left us.

Seriously, do people think his wife called 911, and Urban lost 40 pounds all as part of some elaborate method acting to get to a job that wasn't open at the time he resigned?

[tilly]

Great! Good for you that you have competent assistance. Now here's a real challenge for your two year old. See if he can teach you not to click on threads you know are upsetting to you. It's something so simple, yet it appears to escape you.

Given that your two year old has your tutelage under control, I see no reason to continue my dialogue with you on this. Good luck to you! Go Gators!

I clicked because I thought that maybe he had indeed said something. Only to find out he did not. Had the title read: " Urban didn't really talk big, but I'm going to exaggerate his words" ...than I would have moved on without clicking on the thread.

[SECund2nun]

You're not under the impression that OSU is only recruiting Ohio kids or that other schools aren't dipping into Ohio, right?

No I am not. But majority of their players are from the North, not the South East.
The South East produces the best players- Texas and Cali also produce some. Ohio is under the South East, Cali and Texas. Their talent just isn't as good and numerous.

When was the last time a team from the northern half won the NC? 2002 OSu and that was a fluke mega upset aided by a bad call. That 2002 OSU squad is the only team from the Northern portions of the country since 1997 to win the win the title. All the rest have been from the Southern regions....even OU is more Southern than Northern.

[GATORAZ]

No I am not. But majority of their players are from the North, not the South East.
The South East produces the best players- Texas and Cali also produce some. Ohio is under the South East, Cali and Texas. Their talent just isn't as good and numerous.

When was the last time a team from the northern half won the NC? 2002 OSu and that was a fluke mega upset aided by a bad call. That 2002 OSU squad is the only team from the Northern portions of the country since 1997 to win the win the title. All the rest have been from the Southern regions....even OU is more Southern than Northern.

The kids he is getting are being recruited by everybody. The Talent tOSU is getting is elite. When is the last time a school up north recruited like Urban is doing? The only team that has recruited at a high level has been tOSU and Urban is doing a better job than Tressel. He will get more kids from the south in 2014.

[gator85jd]

I clicked because I thought that maybe he had indeed said something. Only to find out he did not. Had the title read: " Urban didn't really talk big, but I'm going to exaggerate his words" ...than I would have moved on without clicking on the thread.

Good for you, I suppose.

[Tipmoose]

I clicked because I thought that maybe he had indeed said something. Only to find out he did not. Had the title read: " Urban didn't really talk big, but I'm going to exaggerate his words" ...than I would have moved on without clicking on the thread.

But now that you know whats in here, why do you keep coming back? :)

[Tebowism0823]

But now that you know whats in here, why do you keep coming back? :)

Probably because he's never heard a woman talk that way before :)

[number1]

Seriously, do people think his wife called 911, and Urban lost 40 pounds all as part of some elaborate method acting to get to a job that wasn't open at the time he resigned?

lol, you know the answer to that.

[gator85jd]

The kids he is getting are being recruited by everybody. The Talent tOSU is getting is elite. When is the last time a school up north recruited like Urban is doing? The only team that has recruited at a high level has been tOSU and Urban is doing a better job than Tressel. He will get more kids from the south in 2014.

Where are this year's pOSU commitments from? I haven't had a chance to look, but that would be interesting to see where they're coming from. Same goes for the current pOSU roster.

On a somewhat related note, I was surprised Strong had 34 Florida kids on the Louisville roster.

[Tebowism0823]

Where are this year's pOSU from? I haven't had a chance to look, but that would be interesting to see where they're coming from. Same goes for the current pOSU roster.

On a somewhat related note, I was surprised Strong had 34 Florida kids on the Louisville roster.

I'm not. Strong has plenty of GOOD connections in Florida from his coaching days. He's a class act. That's why, IMO, its going to be longer then 2014 for Meyer to start pulling in Florida recruits. He lost a lot of credibility and he has not gotten it back yet and won't by 2014.

[SECund2nun]

The kids he is getting are being recruited by everybody. The Talent tOSU is getting is elite. When is the last time a school up north recruited like Urban is doing? The only team that has recruited at a high level has been tOSU and Urban is doing a better job than Tressel. He will get more kids from the south in 2014.

Majority of his class are northerners...which makes sense because he is in Ohio. We merely just cherry pick elite northern recruits. I can bet that Muschamp and Saban have not offered a good amount of his commits.

He may get more kids from the South in 2014, but most of his class will always be made up of northerners. It's just the way it is. Most Southern kids stay in the south and OSU's roster will always be dominated by northern kids.

There have been plenty of highly ranked recruiting classes at northern schools like ND, Michigan, OSU over the past few years. I just don't put as much stock in a 5 star from Ohio or Indiana as I do in a 5 star from Florida or Georgia. There are exceptions yes, but as a whole there is a difference.

He has a good class and will win a lot of games, but I will be shocked if he captures a national title. He isn't beating an elite SEC team in the title game. It will be 2006 or 2007 all over again. His OL will be destroyed by a elite SEC team.

[tilly]

But now that you know whats in here, why do you keep coming back? :)

Touche :)

[gator85jd]

I'm not. Strong has plenty of GOOD connections in Florida from his coaching days. He's a class act. That's why, IMO, its going to be longer then 2014 for Meyer to start pulling in Florida recruits. He lost a lot of credibility and he has not gotten it back yet and won't by 2014.

I knew Strong is a great recruiter. I have no doubt that he will continue to recruit well in South Florida -- particularly after his Sugar Bowl performance.

UF needs to use Omar Hunter's comments on Meyer when we are competing for a player.

[irish2u2]

Meyer is getting elite talent.

I just took a good long and hopefully objective look at Meyer's recruiting class this year. So far. Ohio State has some very good players. Do I see any of the players on his commit list I covet?

Not really.

Does his class compare to Florida's or Bama's.

No.

I will say the OSU class does compare to LSU, Georgia and Texas A&M.

I'd also say that LSU and UGA are having off years. :joecool:

There are two Florida kids committed to the Buckeyes from Florida.

One is Joey Bosa the DL from St. Thomas Aquinas. He's good and he did have an offer from Florida. The other Sunshine State kid? A kicker. :joecool: The #9 rated Kicker. :joecool:

Six years at Florida and this is the best Meyer can do in one of the richest recruiting areas in the nation? :joecool:

There will be elite players from time to time from every state but every year Florida, Texas and California are the gold mines of high school football talent. Ohio is good and Meyer has locked the state down with 10 Ohio recruits going to OSU but consistently on a talent basis I take New Jersey over Ohio and Ohio doesn't get mentioned in the same paragraph (well, except this one ; ) as Florida, Texas, California and for that matter Georgia. Most years I'll take Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina talent over Ohio's too.

I stand by my statement but as in all things involving opinions I could be wrong.

[GATORAZ]

I just took a good long and hopefully objective look at Meyer's recruiting class this year. So far. Ohio State has some very good players. Do I see any of the players on his commit list I covet?

Not really.

Does his class compare to Florida's or Bama's.

No.



Did you watch any of his players film or just look at where they are from?
Did you think about how the players he is getting fit his scheme?

He is not going to win many battles in Florida. Hopefully he wins some battles in Georgia this year and takes some players from the Dawgs.

[CRIMDEFgator]

What is funny about the North versus South thing is that those Northern schools cannot beat the Southern ones but yet they crank out a lot of NFL product as well. Look at all the OSU and Michigan guys in the league, for example. I am not sure the reason for this... just something I have observed.

[irish2u2]

Did you watch any of his players film or just look at where they are from?
Did you think about how the players he is getting fit his scheme?

He is not going to win many battles in Florida. Hopefully he wins some battles in Georgia this year and takes some players from the Dawgs.

In truth I have seen some video but certainly my sampling is very small. My brother clued me in to Mike Mitchell who is a highly rated LB from Plano, Texas. My brother lives in Garland which is the next town over and he is a lifelong (that means over 50 years) Buckeyes fan.

I kid you not. :joecool:

Mitchell is very good. His video is very impressive. His measurable are off the charts. His level of competition... not like Daniel McMillian. To be honest I'm not sure who I take if I had the choice. Mitchell had a Florida offer and for whatever reason things cooled fast between him and the Gators. I do note McMillian became a Gator in February of last year which might be the reason things cooled and that brings up another interesting point. I know Mitchell a bit and my brother says the kid can play. I also know Muschamp likes the Texas method of lining up his class as early as possible. In most matters I always say "trust the coaches" but is this a case of a bird in hand? Meaning did Coach Boom take McMillian first because he wanted him the most or did Daniel commit first?

I don't know but I liked McMillian's film a lot. I trust our coaches a lot. I don't covet any future Buckeyes because I don't think they have anybody who changes our program.

I don't believe OSU's class is elite because I don't see elite playmakers. I see some good players but the most highly regarded offensive skill player in the Buckeyes class is WR Jalin Marshall. He's good. I like Robinson better and I think Fulwood is just as good and he's taller. I may like James Clark better than all of them. :joecool: All that is moot because Kelvin Taylor is better than all of them as an impact offensive player.

IMHO, of course. :joecool:

As for Ohio State's style I'm no fan of any team that gives up 49 points to Indiana. In football. :joecool:

[GATORAZ]

I will take McMillan over Mitchell any day of the week. I like the way Meyer is building his defense. His biggest mistake with Florida was the lack of Dlinemen the last few years. He is taking a ton of Dlinmen at Ohio State. Championships are won with defense IMO. Marshall is going to do a little bit of everything for tOSU, I think Jalen is elite . Ezekiel Elliott is a pretty good player as well. Braxton Miller has two more years to play and Jt Barrett will be ready when Braxton leaves. The big recruiting battles will happen in 2014 when Meyers goes south for WR's and RB's. Jalen Hurd is going to change an offense hope its Florida but the kid loves Meyer.

[Spleezy]

Not a Meyer fan boy but nothing he said there is wrong, hell you can lump us in the 'have holes to fill' category.

[irish2u2]

Let's be honest. Meyer has to work on the Buckeye defense.

49 points to Indiana. Remember? :joecool:

Then again Florida has some work to be done on their offense that likely couldn't score 49 on Indiana. :joecool: That said this is a debate that only gets settled one way or the other in a few years when we see what our guys and his guys have done. Nobody is saying Meyer isn't a great recruiter because obviously he is but as in all things recruiting sometimes the verdict isn't read for 4 or 5 years.

I still like our class and our HBC who has more class, literally and figuratively, than OSU's class and their HBC.

Old whatshisname. :joecool:

[GatorAvatar]

People think its about getting talent is the only factor that wins you Championships. Wrong. Look no further than John Fox, Shanahan, and Pete Carrol. They managed to hand the opposing teams victory on a silver platter. Getting the players is half the job, coaching is the other half. Look at Jimbo Fisher, Les Miles, Lane Kiffin. Urban is getting ok players, but with his coaching acumen, he will win Championships at OSU. Muschamp is getting elite talent, the next three years will tell us if he is in Urban's class or Jimbo Fisher's class.

[Tebowism0823]

People think its about getting talent is the only factor that wins you Championships. Wrong. Look no further than John Fox, Shanahan, and Pete Carrol. They managed to hand the opposing teams victory on a silver platter. Getting the players is half the job, coaching is the other half. Look at Jimbo Fisher, Les Miles, Lane Kiffin. Urban is getting ok players, but with his coaching acumen, he will win Championships at OSU. Muschamp is getting elite talent, the next three years will tell us if he is in Urban's class or Jimbo Fisher's class.

You just named 3 NFL teams that are either starting rookie QBs or have major team needs. Not sure that validates your argument.

[irish2u2]

People think its about getting talent is the only factor that wins you Championships. Wrong. Look no further than John Fox, Shanahan, and Pete Carrol. They managed to hand the opposing teams victory on a silver platter. Getting the players is half the job, coaching is the other half. Look at Jimbo Fisher, Les Miles, Lane Kiffin. Urban is getting ok players, but with his coaching acumen, he will win Championships at OSU. Muschamp is getting elite talent, the next three years will tell us if he is in Urban's class or Jimbo Fisher's class.

The real question is who does Coach Boom emulate?

Mack Brown or Nick Saban?

Lets all hope coaching wise it's Saban and personality wise it's Brown. :joecool:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

When was the last time a team from the northern half won the NC?

But see, the argument is much more than a North-South thing.

When's the last time an ACC team won? They're mostly in the south, shouldn't they be inherently better because they draw from the south?

[GatorAvatar]

You just named 3 NFL teams that are either starting rookie QBs or have major team needs. Not sure that validates your argument.

Yes, two of them had rookie QBs...but look at the coaching decisions.

[GatorAvatar]

The real question is who does Coach Boom emulate?

Mack Brown or Nick Saban?

Lets all hope coaching wise it's Saban and personality wise it's Brown. :joecool:

Million $ question.

[FlyingGatorII]

I kinda get the point that Meyer was very timid about OSU when on ESPN and Saban was around, then later said his team could hang with anyone, but as someone else pointed out, he immediately contradicted himself. Sounds like Urban speak as always to me. Anyway, like I tell all my pOSU friends..if you liked John Cooper, you will love Urban Meyer. Will own the Big 10 and lose any big bowl game he takes them to, especially against the SEC. I only hope Michigan can get his number like they did Cooper.

[GatorAvatar]

I kinda get the point that Meyer was very timid about OSU when on ESPN and Saban was around, then later said his team could hang with anyone, but as someone else pointed out, he immediately contradicted himself. Sounds like Urban speak as always to me. Anyway, like I tell all my pOSU friends..if you liked John Cooper, you will love Urban Meyer. Will own the Big 10 and lose any big bowl game he takes them to, especially against the SEC. I only hope Michigan can get his number like they did Cooper.

Urban Meyer will win Bowl games. Book it.

[FlyingGatorII]

Urban Meyer will win Bowl games. Book it.

Not at pOSU against the SEC..Book that.

[Jellyrolls]

Now that he's not in the same stadium as Saban. Now that he's not in the same city as Saban. Now that he's not in the same state as Saban. Now he is talking big. Not like the night of the BCSCG, when he didn't have much to say.



Meyer's not in the same galaxy as Saban.

[GatorAvatar]

Not at pOSU against the SEC..Book that.

Wanna put some $ behind that declaration? Urban would kick Richt and Miles' posterior ends. Heck, if Muschamp doesn't learn from the SugarBowl ass kicking he got from Urban's disciple he would also have his ass handed to him.

[FlyingGatorII]

Wanna put some $ behind that declaration? Urban would kick Richt and Miles' posterior ends. Heck, if Muschamp doesn't learn from the SugarBowl ass kicking he got from Urban's disciple he would also have his ass handed to him.

Not sure you are on the right board. Maybe Bucknuts would be a better fit for you. OSU this year would have been killed by UGA, LSU or UF in a Bowl game. While it's obvious the Gators found little to play for against Lousiville, playing against a Meyer coached team would have given them all the inspiration they needed. OSU has never beaten an SEC team. Maybe your hero breaks that streak but I don't see that happening against a Top SEC team. I will be glad to revisit this conversation the next time he gets a chance. I hope it is next year against UF for all the marbles but if not I will gladly watch Saban send him back to Panic City instead.

[socraticsilence]

I kinda get the point that Meyer was very timid about OSU when on ESPN and Saban was around, then later said his team could hang with anyone, but as someone else pointed out, he immediately contradicted himself. Sounds like Urban speak as always to me. Anyway, like I tell all my pOSU friends..if you liked John Cooper, you will love Urban Meyer. Will own the Big 10 and lose any big bowl game he takes them to, especially against the SEC. I only hope Michigan can get his number like they did Cooper.

Don't mention Cooper when our current HCs record seems much more similar to him than Urban- Lose big bowl (check), can't beat major rival (check)

[Spleezy]

It's hilarious how 'fans' not only defend Meyer who is no longer our coach but take shots at our current coach in his defense. That's what make Meyer fan boys lose credibility as Gator fans vs. being Meyer fans.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I sure wouldn't take a shot at Muschamp.

But Meyer is one of college football's top 3 or 4 coaches. It's incredibly ignorant to proclaim he wouldn't win any bowl game, particularly against the SEC.

[Minister_of_Information]

Don't mention Cooper when our current HCs record seems much more similar to him than Urban- Lose big bowl (check), can't beat major rival (check)

Playa hata

[FlyingGatorII]

I sure wouldn't take a shot at Muschamp.

But Meyer is one of college football's top 3 or 4 coaches. It's incredibly ignorant to proclaim he wouldn't win any bowl game, particularly against the SEC.

Meyer was one of college footballs top 3 or 4 coaches. Until he proves otherwise he is damaged goods that couldn't handle the pressure of his own success and broke a top program as a result. Going undefeated this year against a weak schedule at pOSU proves nothing. If he goes undefeated next year and wins it all I will agree with you. With OSU's post season record and his recent tendencies to flake out, I will believe it when I see it.

[FlyingGatorII]

Don't mention Cooper when our current HCs record seems much more similar to him than Urban- Lose big bowl (check), can't beat major rival (check)

Champ is 1-1 in Bowl games right now. Even though it wasn't a BCS bowl, last years win against some posters here other favorite team here was pretty big IMO. Talk to me in a few years and let's see if Champ is in Cooper's category of 3-8 in bowl games. As far as beating rivals, Champ beat FSU, UT and LSU. Yes he is 0-2 against UGA but I think he turns that around next year. If not, then let the comparisons to Cooper begin.

[Gatorrick22]

Don't mention Cooper when our current HCs record seems much more similar to him than Urban- Lose big bowl (check), can't beat major rival (check)

:huh:



Muschamp's 1-1 in bowl games. Urban lost to Michigan and 'bama.

[demosthenes]

Meyer was one of college footballs top 3 or 4 coaches. Until he proves otherwise he is damaged goods that couldn't handle the pressure of his own success and broke a top program as a result. Going undefeated this year against a weak schedule at pOSU proves nothing. If he goes undefeated next year and wins it all I will agree with you. With OSU's post season record and his recent tendencies to flake out, I will believe it when I see it.

He has to win it all to make it there in your book? Wow.

If I'm hiring for a program, the order I would place calls goes something like this:
1. Saban
2a. Meyer
2b. Chip Kelly
4. Stoops/Sumlin/Muschamp/Spurrier
5. Petrino

[Tebowism0823]

Wanna put some $ behind that declaration? Urban would kick Richt and Miles' posterior ends. Heck, if Muschamp doesn't learn from the SugarBowl ass kicking he got from Urban's disciple he would also have his ass handed to him.

Urban's disciple? Strong was just fine before Meyer.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Meyer was one of college footballs top 3 or 4 coaches. Until he proves otherwise

Did you hit submit on this post in August of 2012?

[Tebowism0823]

He has to win it all to make it there in your book? Wow.

If I'm hiring for a program, the order I would place calls goes something like this:
1. Saban
2a. Meyer
2b. Chip Kelly
4. Stoops/Sumlin/Muschamp/Spurrier
5. Petrino

No Chris Petersen? I also wouldn't personally take Kelly over any of those coaches you have listed. He benefits from a no defense conference.

[gator85jd]

Urban's disciple? Strong was just fine before Meyer.

True. Strong was coaching at UF during the Spurrier era and left for stints at Notre Dame and USC under Holtz before he came back to coach under Zook and stuck with the Gators during the Meyer era.

One question I've never seen answered is why Greg Mattison made such a hasty departure from Co-D Coordinator along with Strong to take a position coaching job with the Ravens only to end up at Michigan as DC. He was one hell of a coach during his time at UF.

[Tebowism0823]

True. Strong was coaching at UF during the Spurrier era and left for stints at Notre Dame and USC under Holtz before he came back to coach under Zook and stuck with the Gators during the Meyer era.

One question I've never seen answered is why Greg Mattison made such a hasty departure from Co-D Coordinator along with Strong to take a position coaching job with the Ravens only to end up at Michigan as DC. He was one hell of a coach during his time at UF.

I wondered that as well. I just assumed he preferred the NFL.

[FlyingGatorII]

He has to win it all to make it there in your book? Wow.

If I'm hiring for a program, the order I would place calls goes something like this:
1. Saban
2a. Meyer
2b. Chip Kelly
4. Stoops/Sumlin/Muschamp/Spurrier
5. Petrino


Perhaps you missed what Meyer became after winning those 2 Natty's here but I did not. He fooled me once when he quit the first time, shame on him. Fooled me twice when he quit again after breaking the program, shame on me. When he suddenly found a cure after less than a year away that was the third time. Shame on anyone who thinks this guy even resembles the coach that won us all those games. If he wins all his games next year without any visits to the Panicdrom, I will put him back among the elite. Until then, as I said, he is damaged goods and not nearly what he was when he won here. YMMV

[AndyGator]

But Meyer is one of college football's top 3 or 4 coaches. It's incredibly ignorant to proclaim he wouldn't win any bowl game, particularly against the SEC.

Was.

[RealDeal]

with ohio state's easy schedule, it could be alabama v. ohio state for the BCS title in 2013. Saban delivers another beatdown.

[Tipmoose]

with ohio state's easy schedule, it could be alabama v. ohio state for the BCS title in 2013. Saban delivers another beatdown.

I would *love* to see that. Absolutely *love* it.

[FlyingGatorII]

Did you watch any of OSU's games or see their SOS? They ranked 72nd in the end. They gave up 49 points to Indiana, had a decent win against Nebraska, and needed OT to beat 65th ranked Purdue, and 37th ranked Wiscy. You love on him all you want but I don't consider going undefeated against that schedule exactly worship worthy. Sadly the SOS next year isn't much better, but then again that is exactly why he left the SEC and ended up at OSU..

9/1 — vs Miami University (56-10) — Rank: 95
9/8 — vs Central Florida (31-16) — Rank: 55
9/15 — vs California (35-28) — Rank: 79
9/22 — vs Alabama-Birmingham (29-15) — Rank: 113
9/29 — @ Michigan State (17-16) — Rank: 46
10/6 — vs Nebraska (63-38) — Rank: 12
10/13 — @ Indiana (52-49) — Rank: 78
10/20 — vs Purdue (29-22 OT) — Rank: 65
10/27 — @ Penn State (35-23) — Rank: 33
11/3 — vs Illinois (52-22) — Rank: 103
11/17 — @ Wisconsin (21-14 OT) — Rank: 37

[orangeblueorangeblue]

:lie:

Did you watch any of OSU's games or see their SOS? They ranked 72nd in the end.

Who cares? They won. He took a 7-6 team and went undefeated. I think any illusions about Meyer no longer being a good coach should be far gone now.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

But Meyer is one of college football's top 3 or 4 coaches. It's incredibly ignorant to proclaim he wouldn't win any bowl game, particularly against the SEC.

Was.

Look, when he signed up at OSU I had that same "now let's see if he still has it" cautious look at it. But he just took the team to 12-0, his second time going undefeated in his career.

[Tipmoose]

Look, when he signed up at OSU I had that same "now let's see if he still has it" cautious look at it. But he just took the team to 12-0, his second time going undefeated in his career.

And neither time earned him a natty. That says something too.

[GATORAZ]

with ohio state's easy schedule, it could be alabama v. ohio state for the BCS title in 2013. Saban delivers another beatdown.

This is true but Meyer would just tell you his team isnt ready yet.

[FlyingGatorII]

Who cares? They won. He took a 7-6 team and went undefeated. I think any illusions about Meyer no longer being a good coach should be far gone now.

OK..first of all, how did you get that lie thing in my post? Second of all, where did I lie? About them giving up all those points to IU, ranked 76th in the final Sagarin poll? About them needing OT to beat Purdue, which ended up being ranked below 12 SEC teams in the final Sagarin ratings? I did notice I was wrong about their SOS ranking, which was 60 instead of 72 but does that really matter? Third of all, I never said Meyer wasn't a good coach, I said he wasn't an elite coach anymore just because of last year. Honestly man, are you related to the guy? Half of the SEC would have gone undefeated against that schedule.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

[gator_in_georgia]

with ohio state's easy schedule, it could be alabama v. ohio state for the BCS title in 2013. Saban delivers another beatdown.

And another nasty case of acid reflux.

[gatordavisl]

And neither time earned him a natty. That says something too. That they did not end at #1?

[gator85jd]

That they did not end at #1?

#1 in what?

Mormon Tabernacle Choir Series? Maybe.

State of Utah championship? Yes.

BCS? Not even close.

[gator85jd]

This is true but Meyer would just tell you his team isnt ready yet.

From his hospital bed, maybe. Actually, I don't know that he would have the stones to show up at the stadium if Saban was on the other sideline.

[UGator]

Meyer might have a good team brewing, but the BIG 10 has no team who could have fared better than ND did against Bama.

The Gators started the SEC dominance in the MNC in '06 and again in '08 and then Bama, Auburn and back to Bama the last two years. OSU is good and Meyer can recruit, but the SEC is a different and dominant league and no other conference seems to be able to compete with yet.

Meyer will only know how good his team is when he has to face a SEC team for the MNC. But I'm sure he hopes it's not Saban for awhile. He did say on air that Bama has better players than anyone else so player development and not just recruiting at Bama is where Saban thrives.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

And neither time earned him a natty. That says something too.

Possibly, but it doesn't say anything about Meyer, it says something about our system.

OK..first of all, how did you get that lie thing in my post? Second of all, where did I lie?

What are you talking about? I didn't say you lied about anything.

Third of all, I never said Meyer wasn't a good coach, I said he wasn't an elite coach anymore just because of last year. Honestly man, are you related to the guy? Half of the SEC would have gone undefeated against that schedule.

I am not related to Urban Meyer. You're saying that an undefeated season against the #60 SOS in the country shows that he isn't an elite coach anymore? What are you even talking about?

Before Meyer left in 2009 (and again in 2010), it would be almost universally accepted that he was in the top 2 or 3. Now when he left in 2010 I too questioned whether he was the same guy. But I think the job he did at Ohio State - which SOS or other nitpicking notwithstanding is still very impressive - shows that he is.

Others will bend over backwards to convince themselves otherwise, but my argument is much, much easier to make.

[Wormwood56]

And neither time earned him a natty. That says something too.

Actually, it says nothing. OSU was on probation before he arrived, and they could have easily mailed it in, but like Galen Hall in 1984 and 1985, the Gators played lights out. As for Utah, well yes, it was just Utah, with Utah's schedule, but it was also with Utah's talent.

Meyer can turn a team around as quickly as anyone and quicker than most. He struggles more with sustaining success but has been wildly successful.

The man is a top tier coach and has demonstrated his skills here at Florida. He will return soon - to watch his name go up on the Ring of Honor. Will he be cheered or booed?

[phatGator]

I've read this entire thread and it's been both hilarious and infuriating. Hilarious to see the childish behavior of those who keep bringing up a former coach just so they can spit on him. Infuriating that so much revisionist history is still being propagated.

Some thoughts (not that anyone cares but it keeps me from going to work early):

If Meyer had spoken up on ESPN about challenging Alabama it would have come off as petty, easy-for-you-to-say sitting behind the desk.

The disrespect and mocking for someone's legitimate illness, whatever the cause of the illness, is truly despicable.

The way Meyer left UF is not satisfying to most Gator fans. But I doubt it was satisfying to Meyer himself. Sometimes life just goes that way. Things fall apart. It happens, but you make the best.

I still cherish that the Gators won TWO NCs under Meyer, and he started the reign of the SEC as kings in college football.

Corrections to revisionist history:

1. After making the "putting on other colors" statement that gets trotted out here so often, the very next action Meyer took was putting on orange and blue.

2. Meyer did not leave UF for OSU. He left UF, was off a year, then took the OSU job. There's a difference.

3. OSU did beat an SEC school: Arkansas. The victory was vacated, not forfeited. If you look at Arkansas' records it still shows the loss.

[gator1986]

This is true but Meyer would just tell you his team isnt ready yet.

He would tell you that after the game, not before lol....

[GatorAvatar]

I've read this entire thread and it's been both hilarious and infuriating. Hilarious to see the childish behavior of those who keep bringing up a former coach just so they can spit on him. Infuriating that so much revisionist history is still being propagated.

Some thoughts (not that anyone cares but it keeps me from going to work early):

If Meyer had spoken up on ESPN about challenging Alabama it would have come off as petty, easy-for-you-to-say sitting behind the desk.

The disrespect and mocking for someone's legitimate illness, whatever the cause of the illness, is truly despicable.

The way Meyer left UF is not satisfying to most Gator fans. But I doubt it was satisfying to Meyer himself. Sometimes life just goes that way. Things fall apart. It happens, but you make the best.

I still cherish that the Gators won TWO NCs under Meyer, and he started the reign of the SEC as kings in college football.

Corrections to revisionist history:

1. After making the "putting on other colors" statement that gets trotted out here so often, the very next action Meyer took was putting on orange and blue.

2. Meyer did not leave UF for OSU. He left UF, was off a year, then took the OSU job. There's a difference.

3. OSU did beat an SEC school: Arkansas. The victory was vacated, not forfeited. If you look at Arkansas' records it still shows the loss.

There's a reason why this world has not crashed and burned: it still has enough reasonable men and women in it. You sir, are one of the few reasonable people on this board.

[gator85jd]

I've read this entire thread and it's been both hilarious and infuriating. Hilarious to see the childish behavior of those who keep bringing up a former coach just so they can spit on him. Infuriating that so much revisionist history is still being propagated.

Some thoughts (not that anyone cares but it keeps me from going to work early):

If Meyer had spoken up on ESPN about challenging Alabama it would have come off as petty, easy-for-you-to-say sitting behind the desk.

The disrespect and mocking for someone's legitimate illness, whatever the cause of the illness, is truly despicable.

The way Meyer left UF is not satisfying to most Gator fans. But I doubt it was satisfying to Meyer himself. Sometimes life just goes that way. Things fall apart. It happens, but you make the best.

I still cherish that the Gators won TWO NCs under Meyer, and he started the reign of the SEC as kings in college football.

Corrections to revisionist history:

1. After making the "putting on other colors" statement that gets trotted out here so often, the very next action Meyer took was putting on orange and blue.

2. Meyer did not leave UF for OSU. He left UF, was off a year, then took the OSU job. There's a difference.

3. OSU did beat an SEC school: Arkansas. The victory was vacated, not forfeited. If you look at Arkansas' records it still shows the loss.

If Tressell had the least bit of integrity, he would not have played the tattooed crowd that he knew had already violated NCAA rules and were not eligible. But lack of integrity seems to be institutional at pOSU. Good fit.

What's so bad about getting to work early?

[FlyingGatorII]

Possibly, but it doesn't say anything about Meyer, it says something about our system.



What are you talking about? I didn't say you lied about anything.

I deleted the "Lie" icon you put at the top of my post. It clearly had your screename around it, showing you inserted it, before I did. You can still see it though in your copy of my original quote, unless you delete it there too. Nice to see a liar covering for a liar. :laugh:



I am not related to Urban Meyer. You're saying that an undefeated season against the #60 SOS in the country shows that he isn't an elite coach anymore? What are you even talking about?

Nice try. You said Meyer was an elite coach because he was undefeated last season. I simply said I disagreed and used rankings and SOS to back up my point. He isn't an elite coach anymore in my eyes because of what he did at/to Florida his last year here. As I said, YMMV. Don't know why you are taking this so personally. Not everyone has to think like you..


Before Meyer left in 2009 (and again in 2010), it would be almost universally accepted that he was in the top 2 or 3. Now when he left in 2010 I too questioned whether he was the same guy. But I think the job he did at Ohio State - which SOS or other nitpicking notwithstanding is still very impressive - shows that he is.

And I simply disagree and provided concrete reasons why, not just opinions. Again, it's OK for others to think differently than you.

Others will bend over backwards to convince themselves otherwise, but my argument is much, much easier to make.

We will see next year. It looks like another easy road for him to an undefeated season (which again is why he is there and not here IMO). If he plays for all the marbles next season and wins, I will certainly agree that he is back to the elite ranks. Again, that is my opinion and it shouldn't get you so upset. My fervent hope is Champ Saban's him again in the BCSCG. If that happens, the good news for you and others like you here is you win either way. :love:

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I think you're confused. I didn't edit anything and I certainly didn't call you a liar. But thanks for calling me one.

You said Meyer was an elite coach because he was undefeated last season.

No, actually I didn't. I said that confirmed it. Meyer was an elite coach long before last season.

And I simply disagree and provided concrete reasons why, not just opinions. Again, it's OK for others to think differently than you.

Concrete is being generous. You basically are asking everyone to disregard this last year's results. I think that's fairly petty and disingenuous.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Also, I have no idea why you'd think I'm "upset" about any of this. I just find it silly how much vitriol there is and how hard people work to convince themselves that Meyer sucks and we didn't want him anyway. :laugh:

[FlyingGatorII]

If Tressell had the least bit of integrity, he would not have played the tattooed crowd that he knew had already violated NCAA rules and were not eligible. But lack of integrity seems to be institutional at pOSU. Good fit.

What's so bad about getting to work early?

Yep..like saying Lance Armstrong really won all those Tour de France's even though they were taken away. All you need to know about pOSU was on display when they cheered Tressell like a conquering hero last year after all the lies and cheating that went on.

[FlyingGatorII]

I think you're confused. I didn't edit anything and I certainly didn't call you a liar. But thanks for calling me one.

I have asked a moderator to help sort this out. If you did not insert the "lie" icon in my original post, I will apologize here publicly. If you did, I expect one publicly from you. It is still there in your reply though as I could not edit that out. I certainly wouldn't call myself a liar using an icon.


No, actually I didn't. I said that confirmed it. Meyer was an elite coach long before last season.



Concrete is being generous. You basically are asking everyone to disregard this last year's results. I think that's fairly petty and disingenuous.

Yeah, those Sagarin rankings about SOS and final results are so easy to make up, as are the actual schedule results from OSU last year. Nothing concrete about those. :huh: We agree to disagree. As I said, let's talk about this next January.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yeah, those Sagarin rankings about SOS and final results are so easy to make up, as are the actual schedule results from OSU last year. Nothing concrete about those. :huh: We agree to disagree. As I said, let's talk about this next January.

I didn't say they weren't true, but they sure aren't concrete arguments against a guy who went 12-0. 60th in the nation. I mean, that's still in the top half. And this was a 7-win team last year.

You know what other coach went 12-0 this year regardless of SOS?

It's hard work trying to prove Meyer isn't an elite coach. The record to the contrary makes the other argument much easier.

[GatorSean]

If going undefeated against an easy schedule is so easy, then why is it such a rare occurrence? Didn't just about every team in the Big10, ACC, & Big East play really easy schedules, similar to and even easier than osu? Yet how many went undefeated?

It seems to me Meyer has had two undefeated seasons when his schedule was easy, and two national championship seasons when his schedule was the hardest in the country. How people can take that information and try to spin it into a way of saying he isn't one of the top coaches in the nation is pretty ridiculous.

[GATORAZ]

going undefeated is very hard to do even in the BIG 10.

[gator85jd]

I didn't say they weren't true, but they sure aren't concrete arguments against a guy who went 12-0. 60th in the nation. I mean, that's still in the top half. And this was a 7-win team last year.

You know what other coach went 12-0 this year regardless of SOS?

It's hard work trying to prove Meyer isn't an elite coach. The record to the contrary makes the other argument much easier.

Brian Kelly. And he was rewarded with a date to meet Nick Saban. We all know how that turned out.

I would have given good money to see Meyer and pOSU play Saban and the Tide. The thought of Meyer sent back to the dreary slush and snow that is Columbus with his tail between his legs and his esophagus spasming would have been heartwarming.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Brian Kelly. And he was rewarded with a date to meet Nick Saban. We all know how that turned out.

And he's also widely considered one of the best coaches in the nation. I'm not sure this is a particularly valid counterargument.