Why isn't Trey Burton #1 WR on depth chart?

[petro]

Forget all that wildcat and slot stuff for him. We're plenty deep in the backfield. That's what he will be playing in the NFL - right? aka Hines Ward the 2nd. Smart, physical, playmaker, great hands, gets open, makes people miss, blocks on the edge, runs through and over people, and I've never seen him get caught from behind, so fast enough. I've read his forty time is anywhere between a 4.42 and a 4.8. Dunno on that, just what I see on the field, which is that he is more than fast enough.

This seems so obvious to me. Seems to me we could plug a big hole in the offense and make it a strength with one easy decision to split him out every play. He could still jet sweep from there. Big Trey fan. I just think he could be a monster at receiver full time.

[GATORAZ]

is this a joke?

[G8RNTN]

^^^^^^ this :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Gator19]

THIS^^^^^^

[your_perfect_enemy]

I will say I think we should see him a few more snaps a game in the wildcat. Good things just seem to happen when he handles the ball

[Tebowism0823]

is this a joke?

Didn't start with knock knock but I tend to agree. Burton at the 1 spot would mean we have issues.

[gataa]

Lol great hands!

[Matthanuf06]

One thing is for certain and that is we should ditch the wildcat

[Mayhem41]

Good grief........

[dawny]

Why do we run a wilcat with Burton when ,Driskell can out run and move him??

[rserina]

I expect Burton to be used even more next year, taking over the Hines role in addition to his own, maybe even getting some of those tight end screens that went to Reed. But he won't be a wide receiver. Don't post while drinking.

[rserina]

Why do we run a wilcat with Burton when ,Driskell can out run and move him??
Speed has precious little to do with the single wing stuff. What matters far more is the ability to read the defense and set up blocks with patience.

[socraticsilence]

Why do we run a wilcat with Burton when ,Driskell can out run and move him??

Jeff might be worse at making the reads, like how Jordan Reed had problems reading defense.

[gataa]

Not a burton fan at all, I'm part of the crowd that feels he's more fluff than substance jmo

[PrimeTime]

Not a burton fan at all, I'm part of the crowd that feels he's more fluff than substance jmo

I'm part of the crowd that feels your a nole in disguise. Burton is the Jam

[gator07]

That's what he will be playing in the NFL - right?

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[rivergator]

I wanted Burton to run the ball 5 or 6 times a game more often that he did. I like the ball in his hands.

[gatordee]

Why do we run a wilcat with Burton when ,Driskell can out run and move him??

Because TB is much better between tackles. It also gives the D something different to think about. I actually like the play. He has had some big games for us and his experience will be huge this year and having him on the field just for the leadership is a big plus.

[tilly]

Not a burton fan at all, I'm part of the crowd that feels he's more fluff than substance jmo

The term "crowd" would imply a group. I know of no such crowd. Kid can ball.

[Hill_Raiser]

Didn't start with knock knock but I tend to agree. Burton at the 1 spot would mean we have issues.

doesn't really matter who is listed as #1 WR. The "issue" is that QB #1 struggles to get them the ball, no matter if they are 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.

[Tebowism0823]

doesn't really matter who is listed as #1 WR. The "issue" is that QB #1 struggles to get them the ball, no matter if they are 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.

No argument here, however, the receivers have to get open and the QB needs time to throw it.

[tilly]

No argument here, however, the receivers have to get open and the QB needs time to throw it.

Ding ding ding..... winner

[gataa]

Have to disagree with yal here "kid can ball", hand full of plays doesn't meet my requirements of balling, lol our offense needs playmakers dearly. You guys must be living in the kentucky game 2 yrs ago.

[Nubla]

Have to disagree with yal here "kid can ball", hand full of plays doesn't meet my requirements of balling, lol our offense needs playmakers dearly. You guys must be living in the kentucky game 2 yrs ago.

Put it in perspective of the last few years and yes, "he can ball"

Unless you're putting him up to Percy standards.

[swampsupreme]

Burton wont get drafted

[gataa]

Yes your right, by gator O standards last two years kid can definitely ball

[col_kurtz]

The term "crowd" would imply a group. I know of no such crowd. Kid can ball.

I agree it falls in with "everyone" and "others" that is so over used.

[G8R92]

There are two things in the last 5 years that you could take to the bank. Chris Rainey spinning into the back of an offensive lineman on an inside handoff and Trey Burton leaving his feet to attempt to catch a pass.

[Matthanuf06]

I agree it falls in with "everyone" and "others" that is so over used.


Wildcat is worthless w/o a runner that can occasionally throw

[Swampmaster]

burton's a role playe, an h-back type. He's not physical enough to be an everydown RB and not big / fast enough to be a wide receiver in the SEC.

[allhailmeyer]

If burton runs a 4.8 than every UT player on defense runs worse than a 5.0

[gataa]

Read the thread, part like him, part remember when we had an actual O.. Not that hard

[samit23]

Not a burton fan at all, I'm part of the crowd that feels he's more fluff than substance jmo

That's a very small crowd.

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[wci347]

Not a burton fan at all, I'm part of the crowd that feels he's more fluff than substance jmo

He has been the most productive player per touch in the past three seasons on offense of anyone who has suited up for our team against SEC competition I might add. That's all.

[fox]

Thank you Trey and thanks to other great Gators with heart that are the glue of our program through the years and make us proud.

He has been extra valuable during the transition. I can't wait to see him make more great plays next year. He said his favorite thing is running the ball out of the wildcat.

I think the coaches used his talents very well this past year.

He single handedly (with great blocking) burnt and embarrassed the entire UT defense. That alone is worth a year's scholarship.

[gatorev12]

Burton's found a place in the offense with three different offensive coordinators--two of which can reasonably be said know what they're doing.

He'll likely see an even bigger role next season as both Hines and Reed left...and he can fill a lot of the roles they did with the team.

[gator85jd]

Hines sat on the bench (unfortunately he was incredibly underutilized), so let's hope he doesn't fill that role. Burton seems to be able to take a hit more so than JD. The play of the season for TB would have been if he connected with his brother on that pass. Not sure whether that was overthrown or whether that was catchable.

[Annihilgator]

Wildcat is worthless w/o a runner that can occasionally throw

If you believe this, then you don't understand the concept of the Wildcat.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

The wildcat can be effective without the throwing threat, but it definitely becomes more effective with it.

[rserina]

Have to disagree with yal here "kid can ball", hand full of plays doesn't meet my requirements of balling, lol our offense needs playmakers dearly. You guys must be living in the kentucky game 2 yrs ago.
Or the Georgia game or the Tennessee game from last year. The kid isn't a star by any means, but he has played numerous positions under three different offensive coordinators in three entirely different systems and has still found a way to contribute. Can't you at least give him credit for that rather than trying to deride the kid?

[Matthanuf06]

If you believe this, then you don't understand the concept of the Wildcat.

I do understand it, but please tell.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

He's balled as much or more than most of the players since he's arrived. That's good enough for me.

[Annihilgator]

I do understand it, but please tell.

There's a reason that the Wildcat position is played almost exclusively by running backs. The Wildcat is dependent not on any ability to throw the ball, but on the ability to read blocking lanes and take advantage of the extra blocker.

The Spread Option, on the other hand, is dependent on the ability to complete passes as well as utilize the QB in the run game.

[Matthanuf06]

There's a reason that the Wildcat position is played almost exclusively by running backs. The Wildcat is dependent not on any ability to throw the ball, but on the ability to read blocking lanes and take advantage of the extra blocker.

The Spread Option, on the other hand, is dependent on the ability to complete passes as well as utilize the QB in the run game.

Actually that is wrong. The wildcat is run mainly by running backs because it is a run play. There are a handful of QBs these days that run the "wildcat" as well as the spread option.

Now while in theory you do have an extra blocker which is the genesis of the wildcat, but now really only comes into play with the Cam Newtons and Tim Tebows of the world. With Trey Burton every player on the defense knows its a run. The DBs and LBs can cheat and effectively eliminate any advantage of an extra blocker.

Hence why the wildcat (via backs) has been stoned across football the past couple years. Once the D realized that there is no threat to pass and they can effectively put 10 in the box.

That doesn't mean it can't work, any play can work, especially with an athletic advantage.

However an offense has a bigger advantage in the running game if the D has to respect the pass. It holds the back 7. The wildcat does not. Hence why the SO (or the Wildcat) by athletic QBs can work. By RBs...not so much.

[gatorev12]

Almost forgot to add: any thread that discusses Burton's role on the team should also mention the tireless work Burton did recruiting that 2010 #1 ranked recruiting class to Florida. Many of our top juniors from this past year (Floyd, Easley, Elam, and others) said that he was the guy that constantly did more than anyone else to push all the top recruits to Florida.

[Annihilgator]

It's funny that you said this:

Actually that is wrong.

And then proceeded to in no way contradict what I said:

The wildcat is run mainly by running backs because it is a run play. There are a handful of QBs these days that run the "wildcat" as well as the spread option.

Now while in theory you do have an extra blocker which is the genesis of the wildcat, but now really only comes into play with the Cam Newtons and Tim Tebows of the world. With Trey Burton every player on the defense knows its a run. The DBs and LBs can cheat and effectively eliminate any advantage of an extra blocker.

Hence why the wildcat (via backs) has been stoned across football the past couple years. Once the D realized that there is no threat to pass and they can effectively put 10 in the box.

That doesn't mean it can't work, any play can work, especially with an athletic advantage.

However an offense has a bigger advantage in the running game if the D has to respect the pass. It holds the back 7. The wildcat does not. Hence why the SO (or the Wildcat) by athletic QBs can work. By RBs...not so much.

The Wildcat is never run by a QB. If it is, it's called an option play.

[Matthanuf06]

It's funny that you said this:

And then proceeded to in no way contradict what I said:

The Wildcat is never run by a QB. If it is, it's called an option play.

What would you call every single short yardage Tim Tebow run then? That is the definition of the wildcat.

[Swampmaster]

the wildcat---easy to defense, works sometimes against mediocre defenses. Most D's --- shut it down. It's already out of date.

[Annihilgator]

What would you call every single short yardage Tim Tebow run then? That is the definition of the wildcat.

An option play.

[petro]

Holy crapstorm Batman!!! LOL.

[petro]

Brother from another mother....

At Forest Park HS, Ward played quarterback in a high-powered shotgun offense, and excelled on the diamond as a baseball player in the spring. Hines was the starting quarterback for the better part of three varsity seasons and amassed 3,581 passing yards and 2,500 rushing yards. He threw for 38 touchdowns and ran for 29 more. As a junior and a senior, he was named the county’s Offensive Player of the Year. In his final season on the gridiron, Hines threw for more than 1,500 yards, ran for more than 1,000 yards and earned All-American honors from Super Prep and USA Today.

Ward's versatility, hands and willingness to block served him well as a professional wide receiver. Since being drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers as the 32nd pick in the third round of the 1998 NFL Draft, he earned three team Most Valuable Player (MVP) selections.

Burton will be drafted. He is Hines Ward the 2nd. Or at least, could be if used properly.

[rserina]

An option play.
I disagree. The stuff with Tebow was pure single wing, not option. With precious few exceptions, there were no run-pass options out of that look. It was a zone read, yes, which gives the quarterback an option as to where he wants to run based upon who shoots gaps, how blocks develop, etc., but that isn't an option play per se. Just a read play.

But I do agree in general with your point about the Wildcat being a single wing with a running back and no pass option built into it. What we have done more with Burton is to pull a guard and turn it into a counter trap or a sweep, so it is more of a traditional run and less of a read play, though the latter is in there at times.

[Matthanuf06]

I disagree. The stuff with Tebow was pure single wing, not option. With precious few exceptions, there were no run-pass options out of that look. It was a zone read, yes, which gives the quarterback an option as to where he wants to run based upon who shoots gaps, how blocks develop, etc., but that isn't an option play per se. Just a read play.

But I do agree in general with your point about the Wildcat being a single wing with a running back and no pass option built into it. What we have done more with Burton is to pull a guard and turn it into a counter trap or a sweep, so it is more of a traditional run and less of a read play, though the latter is in there at times.

I agree here. Although Tebow ran plenty with no option. Sure a good chunk was as you mentioned but plenty where it was a Tebow designed run. And eventually we would run play action off that. An example of the Tebow wildcat would be the Ole Miss loss.

And I'm not sure how this is even a discussion, it was widely discussed how Tim was running the wildcat in NY this year.

[Annihilgator]

I agree here. Although Tebow ran plenty with no option. Sure a good chunk was as you mentioned but plenty where it was a Tebow designed run. And eventually we would run play action off that. An example of the Tebow wildcat would be the Ole Miss loss.

And I'm not sure how this is even a discussion, it was widely discussed how Tim was running the wildcat in NY this year.

Tebow in NY is a bad example for this particular discussion because he was clearly misused in NY. Did he run Wildcat? Yes. Was he actually playing the QB position when he ran the Wildcat? No. He was playing the classic single wing tailback position. The coaches had basically already decided he wasn't a QB and used him like a running back.

[petro]

Tebow in NY is a bad example for this particular discussion because he was clearly misused in NY. Did he run Wildcat? Yes. Was he actually playing the QB position when he ran the Wildcat? No. He was playing the classic single wing tailback position. The coaches had basically already decided he wasn't a QB and used him like a running back.

Thanks for making my argument. Put Burton in a "real" position and let him play it all game every game.


Or.......................... let a bazillion people know he is going to run the ball 3 times a game based on where he lines up. What a waste.

[rserina]

Thanks for making my argument. Put Burton in a "real" position and let him play it all game every game.


Or.......................... let a bazillion people know he is going to run the ball 3 times a game based on where he lines up. What a waste.
What position would that be? He isn't a running back, he isn't a receiver, he isn't a quarterback. I suspect he gets an opportunity to play more tight end next season, but we used him far more than in wildcat situations this past season. He lined up as an H-back, with his hand down as a tight end, in the slot, and in the backfield. He was a pass receiver in the flat and in the screen game. He was involved in pass protection and perimeter blocking for both run and pass.

With this offense, you can't think in terms of positions. We run packages. Was Patton a receiver when he basically only ran sweeps? Was Hines a receiver when he lined up over half the time with his hand down? Were Humphries or Silberman tight ends because they lined up as sixth- and seventh-offensive linemen in heavy packages?

Burton isn't going to beat you deep as a receiver, but he can run the single wing stuff, he can catch the ball in the flats and beat linebackers to the edge, and he can help block both on the perimeter and in the backfield. A system like Pease's tries to use that to our advantage rather than forcing Burton into a predetermined position with a narrowly defined skill set.

[Matthanuf06]

What position would that be? He isn't a running back, he isn't a receiver, he isn't a quarterback. I suspect he gets an opportunity to play more tight end next season, but we used him far more than in wildcat situations this past season. He lined up as an H-back, with his hand down as a tight end, in the slot, and in the backfield. He was a pass receiver in the flat and in the screen game. He was involved in pass protection and perimeter blocking for both run and pass.

With this offense, you can't think in terms of positions. We run packages. Was Patton a receiver when he basically only ran sweeps? Was Hines a receiver when he lined up over half the time with his hand down? Were Humphries or Silberman tight ends because they lined up as sixth- and seventh-offensive linemen in heavy packages?

Burton isn't going to beat you deep as a receiver, but he can run the single wing stuff, he can catch the ball in the flats and beat linebackers to the edge, and he can help block both on the perimeter and in the backfield. A system like Pease's tries to use that to our advantage rather than forcing Burton into a predetermined position with a narrowly defined skill set.

Most of that is fine except when you tip the play beforehand, which is what we do with Burton in the wildcat.

[g8rfan22]

What position would that be? He isn't a running back, he isn't a receiver, he isn't a quarterback. I suspect he gets an opportunity to play more tight end next season, but we used him far more than in wildcat situations this past season. He lined up as an H-back, with his hand down as a tight end, in the slot, and in the backfield. He was a pass receiver in the flat and in the screen game. He was involved in pass protection and perimeter blocking for both run and pass.

With this offense, you can't think in terms of positions. We run packages. Was Patton a receiver when he basically only ran sweeps? Was Hines a receiver when he lined up over half the time with his hand down? Were Humphries or Silberman tight ends because they lined up as sixth- and seventh-offensive linemen in heavy packages?

Burton isn't going to beat you deep as a receiver, but he can run the single wing stuff, he can catch the ball in the flats and beat linebackers to the edge, and he can help block both on the perimeter and in the backfield. A system like Pease's tries to use that to our advantage rather than forcing Burton into a predetermined position with a narrowly defined skill set.

Agreed...Simply put, Trey plays the "x-factor" position.

[petro]

Agreed...Simply put, Trey plays the "x-factor" position.

EXACTLY!!!! He is dying a slow death of being 'nflTEBOWED' while still in college.

Commit to him as full time WR, and .................................................


see what happens. First round draft pick.


Hines Ward. Look him up. They are twins. Trey is NFL. But NO way in the backfield.

[petro]

What position would that be? He isn't a running back, he isn't a receiver, he isn't a quarterback.

????

He "isn't" Because you wrote a sentence?

[g8rfan22]

EXACTLY!!!! He is dying a slow death of being 'nflTEBOWED' while still in college.

Commit to him as full time WR, and .................................................

see what happens. First round draft pick.

Hines Ward. Look him up. They are twins. Trey is NFL. But NO way in the backfield.

For Trey's sake, I hope they wouldn't put him at WR...Not unless there is a drastic improvement in our passing game (which I think will happen).

[Swampmaster]

Commit to him as full time WR,

burton--not big and physical enough for wide receiver in muschamp's offense.

[rserina]

????

He "isn't" Because you wrote a sentence?
Actually, I wrote three fairly clear paragraphs which given your obvious knowledge of the game and ability to interact thoughtfully you chose to overlook, including the point where I said you needed to think less in terms of positions and more in terms of packages.

Learn how quotation marks and punctuation work, then maybe we can play again.