How many more assault weapons are now in circulation because of Obama's threats?

[MastaG8r]

Seems to me that the anti-gun folks ought to be getting pretty upset with the net effect of 0bama's thusfar-toothless gun control rhetoric. If he really wants to ban the sale of assault weapons as a means of decreasing the number of them in circulation, then he should've just done it already. He could've signed an executive order two or three weeks ago - no more assault weapons, effective immediately. Period. Then let the Courts have the final say by ruling on any Constitutional challenges, and that's the end of the issue one way or the other.

Instead, by talking and talking about it for weeks on end and signaling what he intends to do without taking any kind of action, assault weapon sales have gone through the roof. Attendance at gun shows nationwide has skyrocketed. Countless people who might never have bought an assault weapon in their lifetime have gone out and bought one simply because they can, for now. They don't want to be the only ones who don't have one when the inevitable ban goes into effect.

When told that in the future they won't be allowed to do something anymore, the natural reaction for a lot of people is to make a point of doing it while they still can. It's human nature.

Because of the way he's handled this situation in his typical noncommittal foot-dragging style, Barack 0bama is personally responsible for many thousands of assault weapons moving out of factories, out of inventories and into the hands of people who have some vague idea that they ought to have one but are untrained in using and safeguarding it.

[Lawdog88]

Some AR or variant manufacturers have an at-least, one year backorder on rifles.

Meaning, every weapon they can manufacture between now and then (probably expanding to meet the demand, as well), is sold already. So, lots of additional sales for the coming year are already racked up in advance.

AR sales at auction sites are through the roof, and prices crazy.

[wargunfan]

At a minimum the gun grabbers have been the cause of tens of thousands of military type weapons being purchased and millions of rounds of all types of ammunition. And, as Lawdog pointed out, prices have skyrocketed. The gun grabbers have already crashed into the law of unintended consequences. By the time some dunderheaded gun ban is enacted (if ever) the populace will be better armed than ever before.

[PIMking]

I'm at more pissed off because of all the panic buyers driving up the prices of all the other guns and ammo

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[Minister_of_Information]

Friday December 14th was the day I had picked out to purchase a Benelli M4/M11707 tactical shotgun.

[PIMking]

can you put "" around "assault weapons" since they're not "assault weapons"

[Lawdog88]

Friday December 14th was the day I had picked out to purchase a Benelli M4/M11707 tactical shotgun.


Remington Police 870 might suffice if you like the surety of a pump, or maybe tricked out by Wilson, if you like do-dads.

[wargunfan]

I'm at more pissed off because of all the panic buyers driving up the prices of all the other guns and ammo

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The new Kel-Tec KSG shotgun with a suggested mfg. retail price of $880.00 (per my call to the factory) is now selling on Gun Broker for $3000.00 This is NUTZ! Thank you gun grabbing liberals. NOT.

[MichiGator2002]

Hell, they are probably doing more economic stimulus right now than at any point prior in the first term.

[PIMking]

The new Kel-Tec KSG shotgun with a suggested mfg. retail price of $880.00 (per my call to the factory) is now selling on Gun Broker for $3000.00 This is NUTZ! Thank you gun grabbing liberals. NOT.

People are trying to sell $5/box of steel Tulammo for $25 a box and they're getting it.

I found some 223 yesterday at academy, they had 6 boxes of Hornady 200 rounds boxes for $189, 2 boxes of Remington 40 count, and 12 boxes of 5.56 20 count Eagle tracers.

I had the two boxes of 40 count in my hand when I found the hornady, then some old guy walks up and stars loading up his cart with all of the boxes until I grabbed the last one. through this I asked why he is doing this and he stated that it was because Biden and obama were going to ban them this weekend.....


Fear buying is killing the market, I guess this is a good way for control by the anti gun crowd, with no guns left to buy or ammo thats 3-4x as much only the better off higher class folks can buy them.

[Minister_of_Information]

It wasn't all that many years ago that I was able to obtain 1000 round cans of 55 grain 5.56 brass reload for $130. Of course, I shot all of them up years ago. ;)

[Minister_of_Information]

Remington Police 870 might suffice if you like the surety of a pump, or maybe tricked out by Wilson, if you like do-dads.

I think that is the direction I'm heading. Benellis are nice -- you can put 8 rounds downrange in under a second -- but I've always been pretty sporting with a pump shotgun, and I like the weight of a Remington. The Benelli pistol grip is really just a doo dad that looks cool more than something really functional. Plus with a pump, you get the all-important sound deterrence for home defense.

[PIMking]

Mossberg 500.....

[rivergator]

Actually, this all just a plan to trick you guys into spending more money, thus stimulating the economy. If I'm not mistaken, you guys did this in 2009, too, anticipating the coming gun ban. It didn't happen, of course. But you were tricked into spending a lot of money then, too.

[helix139]

Check out the Nighthawk 870. If you're going pump, that's what Chris Costa uses, which means it's good enough for me.

Ammo prices are absolutely insane right now. I've got around 1000 rounds of 5.56 currently but I'd like to get another 1800 or so for some training and there is just no chance of that happening right now with ammo prices the way they are. The days of <$.40/round for brass case crimped primer FMJ are gone for the time being.

[Row6]

Another paranoid bubble. Who didn't see this coming after 2009. But I feel much safer already just thinking of all those weapons out there to help protect us from the UN and the US military.

[wargunfan]

I have a Beretta semiauto (5 rd tube) which I keep handy. I want a Kel Tec KSG pump which has dual tubes holding 7 rds of 2 and 3/4" shells each. With one in the chamber thats 15 rds. of 00 buckshot. I'll have to wait until the insanity subsides cause I don't be payin' 4 times what it's worth.

[wargunfan]

Another paranoid bubble. Who didn't see this coming after 2009. But I feel much safer already just thinking of all those weapons out there to help protect us from the UN and the US military.

You're welcome.

[PIMking]

Another paranoid bubble. Who didn't see this coming after 2009. But I feel much safer already just thinking of all those weapons out there to help protect us from the UN and the US military.

You act like we're going to fight the us military one on one as civillians...

The French, Polish, Dutch, and even some Germans had strong resistance movements with just rifles agianst the tanks and military might of the German Blitzkrieg

Also, with that being said if the government orders the military or police to illegally take the guns out of our hands the military by oath should turn those orders down and arrest them.

[Row6]

You act like we're going to fight the us military one on one as civillians...

The French, Polish, Dutch, and even some Germans had strong resistance movements with just rifles agianst the tanks and military might of the German Blitzkrieg

Also, with that being said if the government orders the military or police to illegally take the guns out of our hands the military by oath should turn those orders down and arrest them.

Yes, and we all know about the success of the resistance movements in WW2. We and the Russians were only required for clean up duties.

By oath the military is required to act at the order of it's CIC against enemies foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the constitution are they given the power to determine exactly who that is on their own, and that's a necessary and good thing, unless you think military coups are generally a positive.

[cocodrilo]

Another school kid was shot today in class, this time by another kid who walked in with a 12-gauge shotgun.

I'm sure this caught Biden and his task force by surprise, and they will now have to amend their recommendations to include a ban on shotguns.

[Minister_of_Information]

Yes, and we all know about the success of the resistance movements in WW2. We and the Russians were only required for clean up duties.

By oath the military is required to act at the order of it's CIC against enemies foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the constitution are they given the power to determine exactly who that is on their own, and that's a necessary and good thing, unless you think military coups are generally a positive.

As usual you are mistaken.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

They are sworn to defend the constitution and obey all lawful orders, and yes they are accountable. Though it's interesting that you are arguing that we are already living under a tacit despotism.

I'm beginning to be persuaded that it is now safe to ignore your opinion.

[helix139]

Yes, and we all know about the success of the resistance movements in WW2. We and the Russians were only required for clean up duties.

By oath the military is required to act at the order of it's CIC against enemies foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the constitution are they given the power to determine exactly who that is on their own, and that's a necessary and good thing, unless you think military coups are generally a positive.

Actually they are required by oath to defend the constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign or domestic. They are required to obey the orders of the president and other commanding officers according to the UCMJ. The latter clause is key as the UCMJ prohibits soldiers from following unlawful orders. If the president has become an enemy of the constitution and is giving unlawful orders in conflict with that constitution, they are obligated by their oath to disobey those orders and even to defend the constitution from the president himself.

[Row6]

As usual you are mistaken.



They are sworn to defend the constitution and obey all lawful orders, and yes they are accountable. Though it's interesting that you are arguing that we are already living under a tacit despotism.

I'm beginning to be persuaded that it is now safe to ignore your opinion.

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

[PIMking]

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

It doesn't matter, if the president gives an illegal order to him/her they have not only the right but the duty to tell him to get f*cked

[Minister_of_Information]

If you wish to retire from debate that is your choice. The quote above does not grant them any power to determine who enemies are, or otherwise they could also attack Canada without an order from their CIC.

Nothing I have said indicates I think we are even close to despotism, though if you think otherwise please say where.

If the armed forces are sworn to obedience to the person of the CIC and have no discretion to interpret legalities when given orders, then what else would you call it but despotism? Although I guess you'd call it nothing out of the ordinary, and certainly nothing to be concerned about. But the fact is, our military is sworn to obey and defend the constitution, not particular government officers.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I have a Beretta semiauto (5 rd tube) which I keep handy.

Don't take that hunting unless you have a dowel to put in it. Most states restrict shotguns to allow only 3 loaded shells for hunting. Some states require that ALL shotguns be restricted to only three shells.

[helix139]

Don't take that hunting unless you have a dowel to put in it. Most states restrict shotguns to allow only 3 loaded shells for hunting. Some states require that ALL shotguns be restricted to only three shells.

Depends on what you are hunting. The above generally applies to hunting waterfowl, but not necessarily deer, hogs, or turkey

[philnotfil]

Actually, this all just a plan to trick you guys into spending more money, thus stimulating the economy. If I'm not mistaken, you guys did this in 2009, too, anticipating the coming gun ban. It didn't happen, of course. But you were tricked into spending a lot of money then, too.

Shh, don't tell them :)

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Depends on what you are hunting. The above generally applies to hunting waterfowl, but not necessarily deer, hogs, or turkey

In Georgia, 5 shells are allowed for only deer, bear and hog. For turkey, three shots are the max. I think that is true in Florida too?

[helix139]

In Georgia, 5 shells are allowed for only deer, bear and hog. For turkey, three shots are the max. I think that is true in Florida too?

Not sure about turkey or bear, but with deer you can use 5 shots and with hogs you can use as many as you want on private land

[DaveFla]

Remington Police 870 might suffice if you like the surety of a pump, or maybe tricked out by Wilson, if you like do-dads.

That's what I have.