Bipartisan outrage after House skips vote on $60 billion Sandy aid bill

[gator996]

Republicans are accusing Boehner of playing regional politics...red states don't want to fund this for the blue states of NY & NJ...

Don't you just love the current House? They really know how to govern... :rolleyes:


http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/02/16295303-bipartisan-outrage-after-house-skips-vote-on-60-billion-sandy-aid-bill?lite

Bipartisan outrage after House skips vote on $60 billion Sandy aid bill

WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives adjourned on Tuesday night without acting on a $60 billion superstorm Sandy disaster aid bill, prompting angry denunciations from members from the states hardest hit by the storm.

The GOP leadership was criticized for what one Republican called a "personal betrayal" after it was decided that the bill would not be considered until the 113th Congress, which convenes at noon on Thursday.

The current session of the House comes to an end officially on Wednesday after the new Congress elected in November gets sworn in. Legislation does not carry over from session to session, so consideration of an aid bill would have to start all over if, as expected, nothing is scheduled before then.

They and others pleaded with the Republican leaders of the House to rethink the decision, but few were in the chamber to listen. House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio and Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia are in charge of scheduling the House.

"For the Speaker to just walk out is inexcusable," Representative Peter King, a New York Republican, told reporters. "It's wrong and I'm saying that as a member of the Republican Party."

[gatorman_07732]

Problem is it was turned into a porkulus bill

Senator 'Pleased' to Include $200 Million in Pork Projects in 'Sandy Bill'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-pleased-include-200-million-pork-projects-sandy-bill_689927.html


Senator Mark Begich, a Democrat from Alaska, is "pleased" to include more than $200 million in pork spending in the Sandy legislation, a bill meant to help those affected by Hurricane Sandy.

The senator's office explains the request in a press release:


Alaskans hard hit by fisheries disasters in recent years would be eligible for federal assistance, if a comprehensive federal disaster funding bill released today gains final Congressional passage. U.S. Senator Mark Begich joined the other members of Alaska's congressional delegation in requesting the funding for Alaskans be included in the legislation, which also addresses the recent Superstorm Sandy which devastated the U.S. East Coast.

The measure proposes $150 million for the declared fisheries disasters in Alaska, New England and the Gulf of Mexico. Sen. Begich also requested that the bill includes funding to address the marine debris washing up on the coasts of western states from the Japan earthquake of March 2011. ...

The bill also included is $56.8 million for charting, damage assessment and marine debris response. Sen. Begich recently wrote to the Appropriations Committee requesting inclusion of funds for the tsunami debris cleanup and fisheries disaster funding in the Superstorm Sandy supplemental package ...

In a statement, Begich expresses his pleasure with his own request. "I am pleased Senate appropriators recognized the need for funds to respond to the 2011 tsunami debris," Begich says, according to his office. "It will be up to NOAA to decide how to allocate those funds between needs for East Coast Sandy response and West Coast tsunami debris response, so I will work closely with the agency to ensure Alaska's needs get fairly considered."

[gatordowneast]

Sandy bill now includes pork for Alaska and a new roof for one of the Smithsonian bldgs. Did we miss something on where the storm hit?

[Dreamliner]

The very Americans who've played an active role in engineering this unholy mess are manufacturing outrage.

Me! Me! Me! When are you going to get to ME ?!?!

[108]

if its truly because of Pork, I agree with not passing it

the PR is bad though and will need to get passed soon, though given the region, I garner that Republicans are not too worried about it

[gatorman_07732]

if its truly because of Pork, I agree with not passing it

the PR is bad though and will need to get passed soon, though given the region, I garner that Republicans are not too worried about it

It will, you can bank on it. The problem is after the Senate passed it they left town, so it's gonna have to wait until they get back. It was clearly irresponsible of them.

[HALLGATOR]

if its truly because of Pork, I agree with not passing it



I do too.

Pork, it's what's on the menu in D.C. everyday.

[gator996]

Problem is it was turned into a porkulus bill



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-pleased-include-200-million-pork-projects-sandy-bill_689927.html



All of those items were removed from the bill when it went to the house...

...this per Peter King (R-NY) today when interviewed on MSNBC...


So, try again...that ain't the reason why.... :whistle:

[gatorman_07732]

All of those items were removed from the bill when it went to the house...

...this per Peter King (R-NY) today when interviewed on MSNBC...


So, try again...that ain't the reason why.... :whistle:

It's just simply not true

Issa: Sandy bill filled with pork

http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2013/01/issa-sandy-bill-filled-with-pork.html?hp=s1#/video/2013/01/peter-king-halt-donations-to-house-gop

[gator996]

Peter King is lying?

[gatorman_07732]

Peter King is lying?

I heard it out of several congressmen's mouths this morning. Peter King either misspoke or he is lying if what you're saying is true. Can you link to his quotes?

[DaveFla]

Plus, the Senate was already gone. There was no way for this bill to have gone any further than the House.

I am amazed at how so many are trying to pin this on the republicans. It is becoming all too clear that we are now a nation of lemmings, regurgitating anything and everything the mainstream press tells us.

Well done.

[gator996]

The pork was removed boys....

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/275053-house-may-vote-on-two-sandy-bills

House might split Sandy aid for votes
By Erik Wasson - 12/31/12 05:44 PM ET

The House might vote Tuesday on two bills that would provide emergency spending to aid victims of Hurricane Sandy, GOP lawmakers said.

The Senate last week passed a $60.4 billion Sandy relief package, but many Republicans consider the bill bloated even though the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut asked for $80 billion.

Members said that the House is looking at splitting the Senate bill into components for votes on New Year's Day. Senior GOP aides cautioned that the plan is not final.

There would be a vote on a $27 billion package of essential spending to meet immediate needs, and a vote on a separate, $33 billion bill, appropriator Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-Ohio) told reporters.

"This allows us to see how much support there is for the rest of the package," another lawmaker said.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is whipping Republicans to support the $33 billion bill, members said.

[gator996]

What now gatorman & dave???

The pork was stripped out and republican leadership simply refused to bring either bill to floor for a vote before going home.

[LittleBlueLW]

The next session will add some more pork, then it will get passed. No big deal. Business as usual.

[Dreamliner]

It's more important to the Democrats that everyone should suffer than to see a few prosper.

But that's not being ideological!

[gatorman_07732]

The pork was removed boys....

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/275053-house-may-vote-on-two-sandy-bills

House might split Sandy aid for votes
By Erik Wasson - 12/31/12 05:44 PM ET

The House might vote Tuesday on two bills that would provide emergency spending to aid victims of Hurricane Sandy, GOP lawmakers said.

The Senate last week passed a $60.4 billion Sandy relief package, but many Republicans consider the bill bloated even though the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut asked for $80 billion.

Members said that the House is looking at splitting the Senate bill into components for votes on New Year's Day. Senior GOP aides cautioned that the plan is not final.

There would be a vote on a $27 billion package of essential spending to meet immediate needs, and a vote on a separate, $33 billion bill, appropriator Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-Ohio) told reporters.

"This allows us to see how much support there is for the rest of the package," another lawmaker said.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is whipping Republicans to support the $33 billion bill, members said.

You understand this does not prove what you think it does right? You're playing pretend here.

[gator996]

Chris Christie in a Press Conference just put the blame squarely on the House GOP & Boehner in particular...

Who has better info the Gov of NJ....or you guys on Too Hot?
:laugh:

[gator996]

You understand this does not prove what you think it does right? You're playing pretend here.

The pork bill you guys are referring to is the Senate $60B bill...

The House cut that bill into 2 smaller bills...read the story

Your pork bill no longer exists.

[gatorman_07732]

I hate to do this to you 996 but here is the bill that was sent to the house

http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2013/01/issa-sandy-bill-filled-with-pork.html?hp=s1#/video/2013/01/peter-king-halt-donations-to-house-gop

On page 5 you will see the $150 Million for fisheries disasters in Alaska, New England and the Gulf of Mexico.

[gator996]

You are dense...

That's the Senate bill that was sent to the house...
The House GOP responded with 2 smaller bills pulling out the "pork"....
(1 bill for $27B & 1 bill for $33B)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/politics/house-sandy-aid-vote/


House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers, R-Kentucky, said some aid will be approved in the next Congress.

"FEMA has plenty of money, there's no immediate needs," he said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"FEMA has enough money to last until at least late February-March anyway."

King, in the CNN interview, said Rogers "doesn't know what he's talking about."

"Leadership was all-consumed with the cliff procedure," Rogers told reporters off the House floor late Tuesday. "And they really have not had the time to devote to this because of that."

Up until Tuesday night, GOP leaders were working toward a plan of splitting up the vote into two measures -- one providing $27 billion for immediate needs, and another amendment offering $33 billion for longer-term recovery efforts.

Rogers said he was ready to move his scaled-back bill, but did not give a timetable for the vote in the next Congress.

[gatorman_07732]

996 here is the bill that was sent to the senate. On page 5 you will see the $150 million for the declared fisheries disasters in Alaska, New England and the Gulf of Mexico. What now?

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf

[gator996]

Oh BTW - Mike Grimm (R-Staten Island, NY) just blamed Boehner directly and said his only job right now is to speak with Boehner to bring this to a vote immediately...


GOP dysfuction at its finest... :cool:

[gatorman_07732]

You are dense...

That's the Senate bill that was sent to the house...
The House GOP responded with 2 smaller bills pulling out the "pork"....
(1 bill for $27B & 1 bill for $33B)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/politics/house-sandy-aid-vote/


House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers, R-Kentucky, said some aid will be approved in the next Congress.

"FEMA has plenty of money, there's no immediate needs," he said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"FEMA has enough money to last until at least late February-March anyway."

King, in the CNN interview, said Rogers "doesn't know what he's talking about."

"Leadership was all-consumed with the cliff procedure," Rogers told reporters off the House floor late Tuesday. "And they really have not had the time to devote to this because of that."

Up until Tuesday night, GOP leaders were working toward a plan of splitting up the vote into two measures -- one providing $27 billion for immediate needs, and another amendment offering $33 billion for longer-term recovery efforts.

Rogers said he was ready to move his scaled-back bill, but did not give a timetable for the vote in the next Congress.

Again, you're playing games becaise that is not proving what you claim. Above I linked to the bill that was sent to the House. Case closed

[gator996]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/house-pulls-plug-on-sandy-aid-bill-85661.html?hp=f2


House Republicans abruptly pulled the plug Tuesday night on their promise to take up this week an emergency supplemental disaster aid bill for Northeast states damaged by Hurricane Sandy.

The decision is a stunning reversal since just hours before New Jersey lawmakers were preparing for floor debate Wednesday as outlined under a strategy promoted by no less than Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

Indeed the Appropriations Committee had gone so far as to file a $27 billion bill Tuesday together with an amendment to be offered by Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) seeking an additional $33 billion to match the Senate passed package of last week.

Absent a change of heart, the upshot now is that the Senate bill will die with this Congress on Thursday at noon. And the whole affair is sure to bring back memories of the famous Daily News headline in 1975—“Ford to City: Drop Dead.”

“I am stunned, stunned,” Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.) told POLITICO. “I assume there is as tactical consideration here, that the Republican leadership didn’t want to be anywhere near a big spending bill after the fiasco of their handling the tax debate. I understand the tactics but there is a real human need here that is being ignored

[gator996]

gatorman

Didn't you see this as a child?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

[gatorman_07732]

Uh, I produced the bill that was sent to the House. Just take defeat like a man 996
To think they are not going to vote or pass a bill because it's disaster restoration for a couple of blue states is silly. They know how bad people have been hit here, but at the same time they need to do their job and not vote for a bunch of pork.

[gator996]

And that's what you don't understand....

Everything I linked (and the the purpose of the thread) is not about the Senate bill its about the House's inability to draft a bill and bring it to a vote.

I can't believe you need more than schoolhouse rock but here's another chance for you to understand that what you're posting about has little relelvance in this discussion.

This is how a bill becomes a law....

http://www.coons.senate.gov/learn/bills/


"8. The bill now moves onto a conference committee, which is made up of members from each House. The committee works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The revised bill is sent back to both houses for their final approval. Once approved, the bill is printed by the Government Printing Office (GPO) in a process called enrolling. The clerk from the introducing house certifies the final version."

You see??
You can't go forward because Boehner can get the GOP to vote on anything and agree...

If you can't see this basic legislative process is breaking down because of the House GOP then i can't help you any further.



.

[gatorman_07732]

And that's what you don't understand....

Everything I linked (and the the purpose of the thread) is not about the Senate bill its about the House's inability to draft a bill.

This is how a bill becomes a law....

http://www.coons.senate.gov/learn/bills/


"8. The bill now moves onto a conference committee, which is made up of members from each House. The committee works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The revised bill is sent back to both houses for their final approval. Once approved, the bill is printed by the Government Printing Office (GPO) in a process called enrolling. The clerk from the introducing house certifies the final version."


OMG :crazy:

[gator996]

Uh, I produced the bill that was sent to the House. Just take defeat like a man 996
To think they are not going to vote or pass a bill because it's disaster restoration for a couple of blue states is silly. They know how bad people have been hit here, but at the same time they need to do their job and not vote for a bunch of pork.


Tell that to the republicans like Christie, King, etc. they have directly accused Boehner of that very thing...regionalism


This isn't coming from Democrats...the charge is coming from your own people.

[gatorman_07732]

Tell that to the republicans like Christie, King, etc. they have directly accused Boehner of that very thing...regionalism


This isn't coming from Democrats...the charge is coming from your own people.

First you claim there was no pork in the bill, then I produce the very bill (HR 1) that was sent to the House that has the pork and then you want to change the argument.

[gator996]

So the $60m bill in the news artickle linked to the OP has a $150m appropriation in it?
:laugh:

The pork you and others were speaking about isn't in the bill from the news article....

They took it out. :crazy:

[JerseyGator01]

Maybe he actually wanted to read the bill unlike the Senate with regard to the cliff bill (3 minutes for 150 plus pages). If Congress doesn't read Intelligence reports or healthcare bills, why would they read this one to help those rich people on the Jersey shore?

[gator077]

Chris Christie in a Press Conference just put the blame squarely on the House GOP & Boehner in particular...

Who has better info the Gov of NJ....or you guys on Too Hot?
:laugh:

Christie hugged Obama so hes a democrat now.

[JerseyGator01]

CBO estimates that only $9 billion would be spent in 2013. So why rush with $60B? That seems to be the most recent objection by Pubs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/sandy-aid-bill-senate_n_2378457.html

[MastaG8r]

You are dense...

That's the Senate bill that was sent to the house...
The House GOP responded with 2 smaller bills pulling out the "pork"....
(1 bill for $27B & 1 bill for $33B)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/politics/house-sandy-aid-vote/


House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers, R-Kentucky, said some aid will be approved in the next Congress.

"FEMA has plenty of money, there's no immediate needs," he said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"FEMA has enough money to last until at least late February-March anyway."

King, in the CNN interview, said Rogers "doesn't know what he's talking about."

"Leadership was all-consumed with the cliff procedure," Rogers told reporters off the House floor late Tuesday. "And they really have not had the time to devote to this because of that."

Up until Tuesday night, GOP leaders were working toward a plan of splitting up the vote into two measures -- one providing $27 billion for immediate needs, and another amendment offering $33 billion for longer-term recovery efforts.

Rogers said he was ready to move his scaled-back bill, but did not give a timetable for the vote in the next Congress.Wow. You've got a lot of nerve calling people dense. What exactly is it that you are supposedly so upset with the House Republicans about? They were supposed to vote on the aid bill on Tuesday but because they were busy negotiating the fiscal cliff deal until all hours of the night, they delayed the vote on the first portion of a relief package until Friday. So a delay of three days, for aid for a storm that happened over two months ago. Spare us the faux outrage.

[MastaG8r]

So the $60m bill in the news artickle linked to the OP has a $150m appropriation in it?
:laugh:

The pork you and others were speaking about isn't in the bill from the news article....

They took it out. :crazy:Don't look now buddy but the bill in the news article YOU LINKED in the OP (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/02/16295303-bipartisan-outrage-after-house-skips-vote-on-60-billion-sandy-aid-bill?lite) was for $60 billion. That's $60b, not $60m. Keep calling people "dense." :roll:

[MastaG8r]

Reuters, this afternoon (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-storm-sandy-aidbre90001q-20121231,0,5626802.story):

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives will now vote on Friday on a $9 billion down payment for storm-related aid to the National Flood Insurance program.

Boehner also assured New York and New Jersey lawmakers that the House will take a second vote on January 15 on the $51 billion remainder of the Sandy package.

"This procedure that was laid out is fully acceptable and fully satisfactory. It provides the full $60 billion that we require," said Representative Peter King, a high-ranking House Republican from Long Island, New York.The Representative from Long Island is happy so I guess everyone else should be, too. Including the owners of fisheries in Alaska and the Gulf Coast, and the contractors who will be re-roofing the Smithsonian, and whoever gets the, "$10,000,000 to repair and improve weather forecasting capabilities and infrastructure." (Did any lack of forecasting capabilities factor into the storm damage? I seem to recall plenty of advance notice that it was coming.) Presumably all that stuff is back in the bill since Peter King says it's now back up to the original, Senate-approved amount of $60 billion again.

[gatorman_07732]

Reuters, this afternoon (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-storm-sandy-aidbre90001q-20121231,0,5626802.story):

The Representative from Long Island is happy so I guess everyone else should be, too. Including the owners of fisheries in Alaska and the Gulf Coast, and the contractors who will be re-roofing the Smithsonian, and whoever gets the, "$10,000,000 to repair and improve weather forecasting capabilities and infrastructure." (Did any lack of forecasting capabilities factor into the storm damage? I seem to recall plenty of advance notice that it was coming.) Presumably all that stuff is back in the bill since Peter King says it's now back up to the original, Senate-approved amount of $60 billion again.

I put the bill right under his nose and even told him what page to go to in order to see the pork, and he calls me dense. You can bring a horse to the well but you can't make him drink.

[MastaG8r]

I put the bill right under his nose and even told him what page to go to in order to see the pork, and he calls me dense. You can bring a horse to the well but you can't make him drink.Yeah, apparently the reading comprehension and math skills are not strong with that one.

The pork bill you guys are referring to is the Senate $60B bill...

The House cut that bill into 2 smaller bills...read the story

Your pork bill no longer exists.Right...read the story, and see that the House did indeed cut the Senate's $60 billion bill into two smaller bills: one for $27 billion and another for $33 billion. Now I'll admit that math is not my strong suit either but umm......

[corpgator]

Christie lighting into his party.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/02/chris_christie_versus_every_single_republican_spen ding_cut_argument.html

[Swampmaster]

for every natural disaster, the federal government is just supposed to send billions to pay for everything?? nice.