John Boehner Told Harry Reid 'Go (blank) Yourself' Outside the Oval Office

[gator996]

The pressure of it all must be getting to Boehner... :laugh:


John Boehner Told Harry Reid 'Go F--- Yourself' Outside the Oval Office

http://news.yahoo.com/john-boehner-told-harry-reid-f-yourself-outside-103332376.html

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/9o5eF7mAuPInXNS5a00yqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMjA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/John_Boehner_Told_Harry_Reid-bb472631dc72817686fc9edaf65eddcd

"The fiscal austerity crisis has been temporarily averted, but given the apparent animosity between the current leaders of Congress its a miracle that any deal was made at all. Politico has a rather lengthy breakdown of the last week or so of negotiations that led to last night's budget bill and it leads off with an anecdote illustrating the current state of American politics. As they arrived for a much-hyped meeting with the President last Friday afternoon, Speaker of the House John Boehner spotted House Majority Leader Harry Reid approaching just steps from the Oval Office. According to "multiple sources," Boehner pointed his finger at Reid and without any other fanfare said, "Go f*** yourself." When Reid asked him what he was talking about, Boehner simply repeated his curse and moved on."

[brainstorm]

I read that John McCain invited him to do the same thing years ago.

[boligator]

Class act...not...

[Dreamliner]

*yawns* Congress has to be the most boring deliberative body on earth. They used to cane each other half to death.

[DeanMeadGator]

Class act...not...

Of course, no one says such things to anyone outside the cesspool we call Washington. No one in business, in their family (sadly), other drivers, etc.

[cocodrilo]

Well, at least Boehner has done something right.

[108]

Harry probably snickered

These guys are all clowns who are all sheltered and free from the every day struggle of the average American

[gatordowneast]

Boehner just earned another gold star from me. Harry Reid suffers from little man's disease. Even Biden couldn't work out anything from Dingy Harry. He dealt directly with McConnell as McConnell has had it with the midget.

[Dreamliner]

If it had been Reid saying this to Boehner, board Democrats would be going, "Awww Yeah!"

[gatorman_07732]

I fail to see what the problem is

[g8rjd]

The politico article that comes from is a particularly good read.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliff-deal-that-almost-wasnt-85663.html

[G8trGr8t]

Boehner has been trying hard to come to some sort of practical solution. Reid could care less if the gubmnt goes into default and shuts down. He is playing with house money and doesn't give a chit about the country. Him and 0 are made for each other.

Worst triumverate of leaders in the history of the US when Pelosi, Reid, and 0 controlled things and it shows in our economy and in the debt we are passing onto our children.

[g8rjd]

Boehner has been trying hard to come to some sort of practical solution. Reid could care less if the gubmnt goes into default and shuts down. He is playing with house money and doesn't give a chit about the country. Him and 0 are made for each other.

Worst triumverate of leaders in the history of the US when Pelosi, Reid, and 0 controlled things and it shows in our economy and in the debt we are passing onto our children.

I don't get that sense from the Politico article. Looks like both sides were pushing for their position while reigning in their revolters. And no one seems particularly full or virtue or entirely innocent. It really is an interesting peek behind the door of the negotiation process. And Biden's role in pulling it together is interesting too.

[Lawdog88]

Money is free, haven't you heard ?

It's the rave.

[gatorman_07732]

Money is free, haven't you heard ?

It's the rave.

I thought it was Money for nothin' and chicks for free

[g8rjd]

I thought it was Money for nothin' and chicks for free

Nice. Very nice.

[G8trGr8t]

I'm thinking it was his opening salvo on the debt ceiling negotiations...sounds just like 0's opening offfer. I hope they just shut down the gubmnt for a few months. That would save some coin.

[jdrgator]

I'm thinking it was his opening salvo on the debt ceiling negotiations...sounds just like 0's opening offfer. I hope they just shut down the gubmnt for a few months. That would save some coin.

I see a lot of off the wall things posted here, but I can't think of anything as detached from rational thinking as your want, though the bitherism that still pops up here and there is pretty close.

[DaveFla]

This is a story how? Again?

[Row6]

Perhaps it was a helpful suggestion for a good time since Boehner was last seem performing this difficult act during plan B.

[gator996]

I'm thinking it was his opening salvo on the debt ceiling negotiations...sounds just like 0's opening offfer. I hope they just shut down the gubmnt for a few months. That would save some coin.



Save some coin at the expense of another credit downgrade& global financial market turmoil???



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[G8trGr8t]

well it seems that the dems do not want compromise on spending so maybe it is the only solution left. what other way do the pubs have to get the dems to face the reality that we cannot keep running TRILLION $$$ deficits? they are so detached from reality that it is the new normal for them, just keep printing. something has to convince the dems that they do not run the federal gubmnt

dems are willing to go nuclear to get their way, why shouldn't the fiscally responsible members of the pub party (few as theya re) be willing to do the same thing?

do you have a better idea to convince them that trillion $$$ deficits are not sustainable? do you believe in free lunches and the tooth fairy?

once the bond market says no more, it will be too late. do the math, what happens if/when the cost of borrowing goes to 4%? how much will taxes have to be raised just to cover the additional interest?

[gator996]

Exactly where is the bond market going to run to?

[g8orbill]

Reid's an asshat- i have no problem him saying that

[G8trGr8t]

Exactly where is the bond market going to run to?

commodities..oil, copper, wheat, etc....things that people have to have, things that will increase in value as the $$ is devalued..that and currencies that are backed by commodities (Canada, Australia)

do you think that trillion $$ deficits are sustainable? Y or N

[jdrgator]

well it seems that the dems do not want compromise on spending so maybe it is the only solution left. what other way do the pubs have to get the dems to face the reality that we cannot keep running TRILLION $$$ deficits? they are so detached from reality that it is the new normal for them, just keep printing. something has to convince the dems that they do not run the federal gubmnt

dems are willing to go nuclear to get their way, why shouldn't the fiscally responsible members of the pub party (few as theya re) be willing to do the same thing?

do you have a better idea to convince them that trillion $$$ deficits are not sustainable? do you believe in free lunches and the tooth fairy?

once the bond market says no more, it will be too late. do the math, what happens if/when the cost of borrowing goes to 4%? how much will taxes have to be raised just to cover the additional interest?

You really can't start talking tooth fairy nonsense having posted what you did just before. It's kind of a pot-kettle thing...

[brainstorm]

In this case, it's the pot calling the kettle "red".

[gator996]

commodities..oil, copper, wheat, etc....things that people have to have, things that will increase in value as the $$ is devalued..that and currencies that are backed by commodities (Canada, Australia)

do you think that trillion $$ deficits are sustainable? Y or N




You do know that many of the buyers of US Treasuries cannot buy those commodities for their investment portfolios, right?

China, and other soverigns, can't simply swap US Treasuries for wheat...



Trillion dollar deficts aren't sustainable forever...
Who's arguing that point besides conservatives with imaginary opposition?

Longterm deficit reduction will occur from tax reform, entitlement reform, eliminating wasteful spending, and economic growth....not by simply eradicating federal government.

[PSGator66]

I would love to tell Harry the same thing!

[G8trGr8t]

do you believe that trillion $$ deficits are sustainable for 8 years running?

what do you think the long term results of those deficits will be for future generations? keep in mind that we are not investing, we are just spending.

are resources unlimited in your world?

[G8trGr8t]

Longterm deficit reduction will occur from tax reform, entitlement reform, eliminating wasteful spending, and economic growth

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=252901&page=2#ixzz2GqWdFiaw

and who on the democratic side of the aisle is willing to embrace a single one of these? gubmnt growth funded by resources stolen from future generations does not produce economic growth

dems got the taxes they wanted and have shown no desire or willingness to address spending

[wargunfan]

We ARE going to continue to run trillion dollar deficits. We ARE going to print worthless fiat currency. We ARE going to see more and more Americans slip into federal dependency. We ARE going to go broke. The only question is when. Harry Reid knows that. Nancy Pelosi knows that. They all know it. The only fools who don't know it are the American people. They still believe that there is a chance for fiscal sanity. Well, there isn't. The majority of voters have decided to run the great liberal gravy train until the engine explodes. I say we should all get on the train and pour on the coal. The sooner this train blows up the sooner we can start over. Every thinking person knows where the nation is headed. If you have the means prepare for the explosion then you will come out the other side whole. Let the lemmings die in the explosion. Stop worrying about future generations. That ship has sailed. It will be up to our posterity to see what they can build on the ruins of our blind selfishness.

[gator996]

Are they sustainable for 8 years?
Yes.

We can fund the $20T forecasted by 2016...
Don't see the US Treasury market drying up anytime soon.


And then guess what... unless you believe the global economy will never recover, then we'll pay down the debt through economic growth and that will be fostered through tax reform, entitlement reform, reduction in wasteful spending...



What do you mean we're not investing just spending?

Federal money directed into R&D, education, infrastructure, energy isn't investment?

[Gatoragman]

Uh, why do we need to wait until 2016 to have tax reform,entiltlement reform, reduction in wastfull spending......?

[gator996]

Who said anything about waiting to 2016?

[Gatoragman]

Uh you did.

Are they sustainable for 8 years?
Yes.

We can fund the $20T forecasted by 2016...Don't see the US Treasury market drying up anytime soon.


And then guess what... unless you believe the global economy will never recover, then we'll pay down the debt through economic growth and that will be fostered through tax reform, entitlement reform, reduction in wasteful spending...



Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=252901&page=2#ixzz2Gqd75P4a

[gator996]

That isn't saying we have to wait to 2016....
The question was "Can we run trillion dollar deficits for the next 8 years?"

I take that to mean for Obama's 2 terms ending in 2016.

The answer to that question is yes...
The debt is forecasted to $20T at the end of Obama's 2nd term (I believe) and we certainly can fund it.

Obama has already stated we have to look at tax reform & entitlement reform....

The problem is his solutions aren't yours...

[wargunfan]

Are they sustainable for 8 years?
Yes.

We can fund the $20T forecasted by 2016...
Don't see the US Treasury market drying up anytime soon.


And then guess what... unless you believe the global economy will never recover, then we'll pay down the debt through economic growth and that will be fostered through tax reform, entitlement reform, reduction in wasteful spending...



What do you mean we're not investing just spending?

Federal money directed into R&D, education, infrastructure, energy isn't investment?

That sounds wonderful. Tell us, Pollyanna, when is all this government reform and dynamic growth going to begin, 2013, 2014, 2015 or 2016? I am so excited! I just cant wait!

[gator996]

That sounds wonderful. Tell us, Pollyanna, when is all this government reform and dynamic growth going to begin, 2013, 2014, 2015 or 2016? I am so excited! I just cant wait!

Pollyanna?

Pollyanna is thinking you can turn medicare into a voucher system...
Pollyanna is thinking Ryan's budget plan has any real support...
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/05/nation/la-na-gop-budget-20121205


What's happening in the real world is...

Obamacare in 2014
Exiting Afghanistan in 2014
Increasing tax revenue in 2013
Tax reform before Obama is out of office
Entitlement reform before Obama is out of office

[g8orbill]

Pollyanna?

Pollyanna is thinking you can turn medicare into a voucher system...
Pollyanna is thinking Ryan's budget plan has any real support...
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/05/nation/la-na-gop-budget-20121205


What's happening in the real world is...

Obamacare in 2014
Exiting Afghanistan in 2014
Increasing tax revenue in 2013
Tax reform before Obama is out of office
Entitlement reform before Obama is out of office


won't happen under obama

[wargunfan]

Pollyanna?

Pollyanna is thinking you can turn medicare into a voucher system...
Pollyanna is thinking Ryan's budget plan has any real support...
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/05/nation/la-na-gop-budget-20121205


What's happening in the real world is...

Obamacare in 2014
Exiting Afghanistan in 2014
Increasing tax revenue in 2013
Tax reform before Obama is out of office
Entitlement reform before Obama is out of office

You are truly dreaming. Did you know that the CBO scores the just passed tax cut extension (LOL) as adding 4 trillion to the national debt.

And you really think that Obama is going to have a fiscal conversion from profligate deficit spender to fiscal conservative deficit hawk.

I guess that 80 billion of new revenue from taxing the rich will just cover the 60 billion for hurricane Sandy.

You, sir, are a true believer.

[gatordowneast]

You are truly dreaming. Did you know that the CBO scores the just passed tax cut extension (LOL) as adding 4 trillion to the national debt.

And you really think that Obama is going to have a fiscal conversion from profligate deficit spender to fiscal conservative deficit hawk.

I guess that 80 billion of new revenue from taxing the rich will just cover the 60 billion for hurricane Sandy.

You, sir, are a true believer.

It is only $45 B in year 1 and will add to the deficit with the Sandy bill.

[Dreamliner]

At least Republicans are lovers, not fighters. Liberals are breathing threats about razing the NRA headquarters and saying stuff like "The only good Republican is a dead Republican."

[GatorSaint]

The Republicans seem to be doing a fine job of self-immolation, no need for violence from the Democrats.

[Gatoragman]

His solutions are not my solutions? Let see his solutions! He has yet proposed any real cuts, not just slowing the increase

[Dreamliner]

His solutions are not my solutions? Let see his solutions! He has yet proposed any real cuts, not just slowing the increase

Aren't you getting a little uppity here ? You're not supposed to understand the difference between a spending cut and just slowing the increase.

[DeanMeadGator]

I read that John McCain invited him to do the same thing years ago.

"It's a big f ____ deal!" Guess who made those stately vice-presidential remarks.

[rivergator]

At least Republicans are lovers, not fighters. Liberals are breathing threats about razing the NRA headquarters and saying stuff like "The only good Republican is a dead Republican."


And it's rampant, isn't it? Just everywhere .....

[gatorman_07732]

And it's rampant, isn't it? Just everywhere .....

Shows on a daily basis. They have quite a venom spewing base and are everything they accuse the other side of being.

[DeanMeadGator]

And it's rampant, isn't it? Just everywhere .....

Congress is composed of the most incompetent, selfish and childish group of bufoons that I can ever recall. Anyone in private enterprise who was this incompetent, selfish and childish would have been terminated years ago. Not only that, but the enterprise they were in would have filed bankruptcy many years ago.

[rivergator]

Shows on a daily basis. They have quite a venom spewing base and are everything they accuse the other side of being.

there you go. If you look at the 10s of millions of liberals in the country, maybe you can find a couple who said something as stupid as "The only good Republican ...." And then you can claim that's how liberals are!

[gatorman_07732]

there you go. If you look at the 10s of millions of liberals in the country, maybe you can find a couple who said something as stupid as "The only good Republican ...." And then you can claim that's how liberals are!

Just calling a spade a spade and it's apparent how it's tolerated with the leadership. The leadership of the democratic party is the epitome of the base.

[g8rjd]

there you go. If you look at the 10s of millions of liberals in the country, maybe you can find a couple who said something as stupid as "The only good Republican ...." And then you can claim that's how liberals are!


Just calling a spade a spade and it's apparent how it's tolerated with the leadership. The leadership of the democratic party is the epitome of the base.

Affidavit: Man admits church shooting; says all liberals should die. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/)

Perhaps inductive reasoning from the extremes and hasty generalizations isn't the way to go... :whistle:

[gatorman_07732]

Affidavit: Man admits church shooting; says all liberals should die. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/)

Perhaps inductive reasoning from the extremes to the general isn't the way to go... :whistle:

I'm talking about the leadership of the democratic party and miscellaneous nut cases. We can go back and forth with isolated nut cases all day

[g8rjd]

I'm talking about the leadership of the democratic party and miscellaneous nut cases. We can go back and forth with isolated nut cases all day

I know what you are talking about and I read how you were getting there. I'm suggesting that everyone has their demons and that making hasty generalizations that the demons represent the majority, irrespective of the group, is a rather poor choice of reasoning.

[rivergator]

I'm talking about the leadership of the democratic party and miscellaneous nut cases. We can go back and forth with isolated nut cases all day

And the leadership of the Democratic Party has called for burning down the NRA and killing all Republicans?
link?

[gatorman_07732]

And the leadership of the Democratic Party has called for burning down the NRA and killing all Republicans?
link?

Geez river, are you going to tell me that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi don't say a lot of boneheaded things? What about all the lies Wasserman Schultz goes spewing on TV? I mean the list is endless.

[rivergator]

Geez river, are you going to tell me that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi don't say a lot of boneheaded things? What about all the lies Wasserman Schultz goes spewing on TV? I mean the list is endless.

Boneheaded is hardly the same as threatening to kill. And no side has a monopoly on boneheaded.

[G8trGr8t]

Congress is composed of the most incompetent, selfish and childish group of bufoons that I can ever recall. Anyone in private enterprise who was this incompetent, selfish and childish would have been terminated years ago. Not only that, but the enterprise they were in would have filed bankruptcy many years ago.


unless it was too big to fail or fannie/freddie then they get bailed out and get bonuses with money stolen from those too young to vote

[G8trGr8t]

Are they sustainable for 8 years?
Yes.

We can fund the $20T forecasted by 2016...
Don't see the US Treasury market drying up anytime soon.


And then guess what... unless you believe the global economy will never recover, then we'll pay down the debt through economic growth and that will be fostered through tax reform, entitlement reform, reduction in wasteful spending...



What do you mean we're not investing just spending?

Federal money directed into R&D, education, infrastructure, energy isn't investment?

of the hundreds of billions spent, less than 5% went into any sort of real infrastructure projects that might actually provide a return for the investment.

we already spend more than any other country per pupil on education. throwing money at it isn't investing in it, it is throwing money at it and that money is wasted. if you want to fix education, get unions out, get parents in. that doesn't cost money, it takes leadership and guts to do what is right in spite of vocal opposition and lazy, uninvolved parents.

investing in companies that go bankrupt and can't compete on a level playing field and feel good projects that do nothing to increase the productivity or efficiency of the private sector is wasted money. spending billions on solar companies, electric cars, cash for clunkers was a waste. if you actually did something useful with those billions like converting big rigs to nat gas and building nat gas fueling stations then you might be making an investment that will return something. as it is, the great majority of the money spent will never prodcue a return for the future generations that will have to pay it back.

bottom line, we are spending money on things to keep the masses placated while doing little to no real investing to make the country more competetive in the future.

[g8orbill]

the 47%erws prez has sat idly by and watched Reid not perform his duties

silence is approval