George H.W. Bush in intensive care.....

[gatornana]

This doesn't sound good......prayers he feels better soon.

Updated at 7:08 p.m. ET: Former President George H.W. Bush was battling an elevated fever Wednesday and was in "guarded condition" in a hospital intensive care unit, a family spokesman said.

"The President is alert and conversing with medical staff, and is surrounded by family," said a statement from family spokesman Jim McGrath. Bush, 88, was moved to the intensive care unit at The Methodist Hospital at the Texas Medical Center in Houston on Sunday, McGrath said.

Bush has been in the hospital since Nov. 29 for treatment of complications related to bronchitis. After initial expectations that he would be hospitalized for only a few days proved to be wrong, doctors said through a hospital statement on Dec. 13 that they expected Bush would "be able to celebrate Christmas at home."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/26/16168864-george-hw-bush-in-guarded-condition-in-intensive-care-battling-elevated-fever-spokesman-says?lite

[brainstorm]

He is in my thoughts. Respiratory problems and infections are very dangerous once you reach GHB's age.

[oragator1]

Whether you agree with his politics or not, he served as a pilot in WWII, CIA director, VP, president, fathered a president, and did a ton of post presidency work with Clinton around the globe. And with all of that he is one of the more humble presidents we have had.

[secgator]

^^^ Agreed oragator. He may not have pleased everyone, but he did do an admirable job in lots of venues. He was one of the most qualified candidates for POTUS, if not THE most qualified based on experience and resume'. It still irks me to this day when so many of his critics complain about him not finishing the job in Iraq back in Desert Storm-1990. Griping about driving all the way to Baghdad and not taking Saddam out. Given the mandate, Bush did exactly what was required to do without overstepping his authority, and in one of the shortest conflicts ever--liberated Kuwait within the limits he was held to. I call that as a shining example of 'character' at levels higher than most POTUS have shown during their terms in office.

I know his age is catching up with him, but I hope and pray he pulls through this. He has served his country well over his life and he deserves a bit more time here on this earth.

[cocodrilo]

A CIA operative, friend of George de Mohrenschildt (handler of Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas), and perhaps the only sane adult at the time who said he couldn't remember where he was on 11/22/63. He was lying (why?), because he made sure that his whereabouts was documented (via a phone call to the FBI from Tyler, Texas on 11/22, the supposed purpose of the call being to implicate a totally innocent individual, a fellow named Parrott, as a possible assassin).

According to a 1963 FBI memo, "George Bush of the CIA" was briefed on Cuban activity in the wake of the JFK assassination. Bush says it must have been some other George Bush.

Friend of the Hinckley family, one of whom proceeds to shoot Reagan (allegedly) with a magic bullet (it curved around a car door), though Reagan was too dumb to die and make Bush president.

As VP claimed to be "out of the loop" during the Iran-Contra treason.

Rewarded (finally) with the presidency. Well deserved, Poppy.

[diehardgator1]

A CIA operative, friend of George de Mohrenschildt (handler of Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas), and perhaps the only sane adult at the time who said he couldn't remember where he was on 11/22/63. He was lying (why?), because he made sure that his whereabouts was documented (via a phone call to the FBI from Tyler, Texas on 11/22, the supposed purpose of the call being to implicate a totally innocent individual, a fellow named Parrott, as a possible conspirator).

According to a 1963 FBI memo, "George Bush of the CIA" was briefed on Cuban activity in the wake of the JFK assassination. Bush says it must have been some other George Bush.

Friend of the Hinckley family, one of whom proceeds to shoot Reagan (allegedly) with a magic bullet (it curved around a car door), though Reagan was too dumb to die and make Bush president.



As VP claimed to be "out of the loop" during the Iran-Contra treason.

Rewarded (finally) with the presidency. Well deserved, Poppy.



and LBJ had Kennedy killed so he could become president

[cocodrilo]

and LBJ had Kennedy killed so he could become president

I imagine LBJ at least signed off on it (not just to become president but to stay out of prison), and he certainly managed the cover-up from the White House. (He knew good and well that Oswald was not a lone shooter, as is obvious in a taped phone conversation with J. Edgar Hoover).

Yes, we have had some truly admirable presidents, above the law both before and after they take office.

[oragator1]

A CIA operative, friend of George de Mohrenschildt (handler of Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas), and perhaps the only sane adult at the time who said he couldn't remember where he was on 11/22/63. He was lying (why?), because he made sure that his whereabouts was documented (via a phone call to the FBI from Tyler, Texas on 11/22, the supposed purpose of the call being to implicate a totally innocent individual, a fellow named Parrott, as a possible assassin).

According to a 1963 FBI memo, "George Bush of the CIA" was briefed on Cuban activity in the wake of the JFK assassination. Bush says it must have been some other George Bush.

Friend of the Hinckley family, one of whom proceeds to shoot Reagan (allegedly) with a magic bullet (it curved around a car door), though Reagan was too dumb to die and make Bush president.

As VP claimed to be "out of the loop" during the Iran-Contra treason.

Rewarded (finally) with the presidency. Well deserved, Poppy.

George De Morhenshildt is one interesting dude. Bush did go to prep school with George's nephew, but George also knew Jackie Kennedy and her family when she was young (he sent a condolence letter to her mom after JFK's death and got a personal response asking him to say hi to his brother), and he and Jackie were friends enough that she chaired his charity for cystic fibrosis. He also spent a great deal of time with Gen. Macarthur's nephew, cavorting through Mexico together. He trekked from from near the US border, through Mexico all the way to the Panama Canal. He had connections with CEOs who got him jobs, married into old institutional money several times, and had political connections. And all of this from a guy who arrived in the US as an immigrant speaking little to no English. His dad was a czarist Russian who was sentenced to life in Siberia when the communists took over but escaped. His brother was sentenced to death by the communists and survived via a prison swap with Poland, where his family was by then. He made and lost money many times, married 4 times I think, and died via suicide in the 70's.
As far as him being a "handler", that's a stretch. I could totally see him wanting to curry favor for his Haiti project by passing any info he learned to the CIA who might help with their government, but almost all of his contacts with Oswald involved his wife and Marina, and the last contact he had with him was at Easter of '63. He had met him through the small Russian community who had systematically shied away from the newbies because Oswald was seen for who he was, George and his wife were the last basically to fall off. George actually criticized the government in his Warren commission testimony for not protecting Kennedy and also publicly said he was never sure it was Oswald who was the guy. Hardly things an operative setting up a patsy would say.
Most of this I got from George's testimony before the Warren commission, which is about 120 pages but a really good read. Gives great insight into Oswald as well, his motivations and personality are much more clear and the man asking the questions was remarkably detailed, the background searches that went into the questioning were thorough to say the least.

[cocodrilo]

You can't follow Bush's career without believing in coincidence theory.

Bush knows de Mohrenschildt who is pals with Oswald. Just a coincidence.

Bush is in Dallas on night of 11/21/63 (but doesn't remember it). Just a coincidence.

FBI briefs "George Bush of the CIA" after JFK assassination. Must have been "another George Bush" - just a coincidence.

Bush knows Hinckley who shoots Reagan. Just a coincidence.

This guy stinks to high heaven.

[Spurffelbow833]

You can't follow Bush's career without believing in coincidence theory.

Bush knows de Mohrenschildt who is pals with Oswald. Just a coincidence.

Bush is in Dallas on night of 11/21/63 (but doesn't remember it). Just a coincidence.

FBI briefs "George Bush of the CIA" after JFK assassination. Must have been "another George Bush" - just a coincidence.

Bush knows Hinckley who shoots Reagan. Just a coincidence.

This guy stinks to high heaven.

Not to mention the bin Laden connections. A more amazing string of coincidences than Forrest Gump had.

[gatordowneast]

You can't follow Bush's career without believing in coincidence theory.

Bush knows de Mohrenschildt who is pals with Oswald. Just a coincidence.

Bush is in Dallas on night of 11/21/63 (but doesn't remember it). Just a coincidence.

FBI briefs "George Bush of the CIA" after JFK assassination. Must have been "another George Bush" - just a coincidence.

Bush knows Hinckley who shoots Reagan. Just a coincidence.

This guy stinks to high heaven.

Cocodrilo, considering the new emphasis on intervention with those who are conspiracy types and may pose a threat...you may want to lay low with your theory of George Bush 41. Don't go trying to buy firearms or fertilizer using your GC name.

[rivergator]

best of luck to him.

[LittleBlueLW]

Only here can folks show hate for someone on his deathbed.

Speaks volumes of
your lack of character.

Prayers to 41 and family.

[gatorev12]

Only here can folks show hate for someone on his deathbed.

Speaks volumes of
your lack of character.

Prayers to 41 and family.

+1

[cocodrilo]

Cocodrilo, considering the new emphasis on intervention with those who are conspiracy types and may pose a threat...you may want to lay low with your theory of George Bush 41. Don't go trying to buy firearms or fertilizer using your GC name.

This is not "my theory of George Bush 41." The facts are well known to those who have bothered to look. But maybe you can point out anything I've stated that is not factual. If it is all indeed just coincidence to you, then that's what I meant by believing in coincidence theory. Who is more gullible?

Maybe you can also explain why he would lie about not remembering where he was on 11/22/63. If you made a call to the FBI accusing someone of possibly being involved in presidential assassination that day, don't you think you remember doing it?

[gator1986]

You can't follow Bush's career without believing in coincidence theory.

Bush knows de Mohrenschildt who is pals with Oswald. Just a coincidence.

Bush is in Dallas on night of 11/21/63 (but doesn't remember it). Just a coincidence.

FBI briefs "George Bush of the CIA" after JFK assassination. Must have been "another George Bush" - just a coincidence.

Bush knows Hinckley who shoots Reagan. Just a coincidence.

This guy stinks to high heaven.

Oh god....

[g8orbill]

May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with him and his family as he readies to go home to be with Jesus

[busigator96]

What about Prescott Bush?

[Spurffelbow833]

What about Prescott Bush?

Why, he's up there with Jesus, waiting for George, of course.

[oragator1]

His library is at A&M and spends a lot of time there. Lots of stories in this thread at texags. All of them about his basic kindness and decency.

http://mobile.texags.com/Forums/5/Topics/2241055?page=1

[texigator]

coco, c'mon now. Have you no sense of decency? Save your tin foil hat crap for another time.

President Bush is a true American hero. He was a torpedo bomber in WWII. Most of those guys never came back. God bless him and his family.

[FlyingGatorII]

coco, c'mon now. Have you no sense of decency? Save your tin foil hat crap for another time.

President Bush is a true American hero. He was a torpedo bomber in WWII. Most of those guys never came back. God bless him and his family.

He obviously doesn't.

[gatorman_07732]

coco, c'mon now. Have you no sense of decency? Save your tin foil hat crap for another time.

President Bush is a true American hero. He was a torpedo bomber in WWII. Most of those guys never came back. God bless him and his family.

coco is the ultimate conspiratorialist. Anyway, just looking at this on its face it doesn't look good for H.W. I certainly hope he pulls through but one thing is for sure, he's lived a great life and has done a great job raising a family.

[northgagator]

coco is the ultimate conspiratorialist. Anyway, just looking at this on its face it doesn't look good for H.W. I certainly hope he pulls through but one thing is for sure, he's lived a great life and has done a great job raising a family.

Two sons. One was governor of Texas and a US President. The other was a governor of Florida. Verify fees moms and dads can brag about those accomplishments.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Verify fees indeed.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Also I'm pretty sure he has four sons.

[gatorman_07732]

Two sons. One was governor of Texas and a US President. The other was a governor of Florida. Verify fees moms and dads can brag about those accomplishments.

I'm not sure the purpose of your post since they had six children

[busigator96]

Can't wait for the rise of George P!

[DeanMeadGator]

Whether you agree with his politics or not, he served as a pilot in WWII, CIA director, VP, president, fathered a president, and did a ton of post presidency work with Clinton around the globe. And with all of that he is one of the more humble presidents we have had.

Very true, and well said. I pray for his recovery.

[northgagator]

I'm not sure the purpose of your post since they had six children

I was not aware of how many children George H Bush and his wife Barbara produced. For some reason I thought there were just two children.

I am sure that G H Bush and Barbara are proud of all of their children.

I was just noting the accomplishments of the two I know of.

[northgagator]

Verify fees indeed.

A very bad typo on my part. Should of been "few".

[cocodrilo]

He obviously doesn't.

Just to make myself perfectly clear, I have no respect for the man at all aside from his wartime service. (A rare commander in chief who had been to war himself.) He's a criminal just by dint of the fact that he was CIA director (while lying, with apparent good reason, though it could be pathological, about being a CIA operative for years before that).

He's dying? Don't we all?

When his cancer finally puts Hugo Chavez on his deathbed, I'll bet the thoughts and prayers and love of all those here who hate his guts now will be with him. Ha ha ha ha.

[DeanMeadGator]

Just to make myself perfectly clear, I have no respect for the man at all aside from his wartime service. (A rare commander in chief who had been to war himself.) He's a criminal just by dint of the fact that he was CIA director (while lying, with apparent good reason, though it could be pathological, about being a CIA operative for years before that).

He's dying? Don't we all?

When his cancer finally puts Hugo Chavez on his deathbed, I'll bet the thoughts and prayers and love of all those here who hate his guts now will be with him. Ha ha ha ha.

Bush I served his country, and is a good and decent man who loved his family. If that is to be condemned, America has changed for the worse.

I watched 55,000 young Americans die during 'Nam. Some were friends. However, I harbor no animosity toward those presidents who presided over the war. I decline to condemn them. I refuse to let anger control me. I believe they did what they thought was right at the time.

A person cannot decide what principles another person lives by or what their principles should be. The only thing I can decide is what principles I live by and what choices I make.

I hope that I will make the lives of my children and grandchildren better than mine, and that they will remember me as a good and decent man who cared greatly for them and loved them deeply. When I die, nothing else will matter.

[cocodrilo]

Bush I served his country, and is a good and decent man who loved his family. If that is to be condemned, America has changed for the worse.


Who is condemning that? But whether he's "a good and decent man" is your opinion. (Plenty of bad, indecent people love their families.) I don't look so favorably on a man with an intelligence background who lies about it, particularly lies about Dallas, and (given that association) may have helped identify a good patsy (a troubled friend of the family) to program for the hit on Ronnie. Then there's Iran/Contra etc. But enough on this "good and decent man." I've said my piece. Now he can let his Maker read his lips.

[gatorman_07732]

Who is condemning that? But whether he's "a good and decent man" is your opinion. (Plenty of bad, indecent people love their families.) I don't look so favorably on a man with an intelligence background who lies about it, particularly lies about Dallas, and (given that association) may have helped identify a good patsy (a troubled friend of the family) to program for the hit on Ronnie. Then there's Iran/Contra etc. But enough on this "good and decent man." I've said my piece. Now he can let his Maker read his lips.

Damn coco,
I've never heard anybody before say he's not a decent man. It really seems like you may have some voices going on telling you things.

[busigator96]

Damn coco,
I've never heard anybody before say he's not a decent man. It really seems like you may have some voices going on telling you things.

He was the head of the CIA....an organization based in lies and deception.

[gatorman_07732]

He was the head of the CIA....an organization based in lies and deception.

I'm sorry, do we condemn all former directors of the CIA as indecent people? I'm curious if a professional title automatically subjugates someone to evil? How does this work because perhaps we all need to do some soul searching. Where is this written so I may purchase a copy for my library for reference?

[cocodrilo]

I'm sorry, do we condemn all former directors of the CIA as indecent people? I'm curious if a professional title automatically subjugates someone to evil? How does this work because perhaps we all need to do some soul searching. Where is this written so I may purchase a copy for my library for reference?

There are facts about Bush and his background that suggest he had involvement in the assassination of one president and the attempted assassination of another (with the latter, had it been successful, making him president). So there is more, you see, than him once being CIA director that would make him a rather indecent person.

[gatorman_07732]

There are facts about Bush and his background that suggest he had involvement in the assassination of one president and the attempted assassination of another (with the latter, had it been successful, making him president). So there is more, you see, than him once being CIA director that would make him a rather indecent person.

Yes just as I remember the rumors of the murders Clinton was responsible for. Conspiracy theories are just that

[cocodrilo]

Yes just as I remember the rumors of the murders Clinton was responsible for. Conspiracy theories are just that

My dictionary defines theory as the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another. Don't try to equate it with rumors.

[AustinGator1]

My dictionary defines theory as the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another. Don't try to equate it with rumors.



You are absolutely correct. Gatorman should have said 'your conspiracy rumors' because that is all we have seen from you regarding President Bush.

I get that you don't like or respect President Bush but stomping all over his possible death bed as you are on this thread reflects soley on you.

[g8orbill]

glad to read this morning that Bush 41 is alert and doing much better

[cocodrilo]

I get that you don't like or respect President Bush but stomping all over his possible death bed as you are on this thread reflects soley on you.

The title of this thread starts "George H.W. Bush," which makes it an appropriate place to talk about George H.W. Bush. I have not discussed any theories or "rumors" about his deathbed. In fact I keep forgetting that he's in intensive care just like he forgets where he was on 11/22/63. (For the young among those here, that's like forgetting where you were on 9/11/01. Do you know anyone in that condition?)

[gatorman_07732]

glad to read this morning that Bush 41 is alert and doing much better

He got a little serenade over the phone by the Oak Ridge Boys

[cocodrilo]

He got a little serenade over the phone by the Oak Ridge Boys

This was a conspiracy to try to finish him off.

[AustinGator1]

The title of this thread starts "George H.W. Bush," which makes it an appropriate place to talk about George H.W. Bush. I have not discussed any theories or "rumors" about his deathbed. In fact I keep forgetting that he's in intensive care just like he forgets where he was on 11/22/63. (For the young among those here, that's like forgetting where you were on 9/11/01. Do you know anyone in that condition?)



Playing loose with facts again I see. The actual title of this thread is 'George H.W. Bush in intensive care....' I guess playinig loose with facts is a requirement for the conspiracy rumorists among us. Like I said, your trashing President Bush in this thread only reflects on you.

[cocodrilo]

Playing loose with facts again I see. The actual title of this thread is 'George H.W. Bush in intensive care....' I guess playinig loose with facts is a requirement for the conspiracy rumorists among us. Like I said, your trashing President Bush in this thread only reflects on you.

I know what the title of this thread is. You're a pretty loose reader, aren't you? I wrote, "The title of this thread STARTS (emphasis added)..." Look up start in the dictionary.

[gatorman_07732]

This was a conspiracy to try to finish him off.

Though you pissed on this thread coco, that was pretty funny

[cocodrilo]

Though you pissed on this thread coco, that was pretty funny

Didn't you know that pissing on threads is why I am here?

[gatorman_07732]

Yeah I got that

[AustinGator1]

I know what the title of this thread is. You're a pretty loose reader, aren't you? I wrote, "The title of this thread STARTS (emphasis added)..." Look up start in the dictionary.

Yes I know. I was merely providing you with all the facts on this thread as opposed to your picking and choosing pieces of information to try and spread your conspiracy rumors. But you go ahead and keep trashing people who may be on their death bed.

[cocodrilo]

But you go ahead and keep trashing people who may be on their death bed.

Well, I'm 70 (71 in February) and not in good health. I'm ready to go. When I'm dying I will let you all know so that you can deluge me with your thoughts and prayers, or applaud and cheer loudly as the case may be. You can even piss on my deathbed thread, it won't much matter to me.

[Spurffelbow833]

This was a conspiracy to try to finish him off.

"Bobbie Sue" would probably do the trick.

[DeanMeadGator]

Who is condemning that? But whether he's "a good and decent man" is your opinion. (Plenty of bad, indecent people love their families.) I don't look so favorably on a man with an intelligence background who lies about it, particularly lies about Dallas, and (given that association) may have helped identify a good patsy (a troubled friend of the family) to program for the hit on Ronnie. Then there's Iran/Contra etc. But enough on this "good and decent man." I've said my piece. Now he can let his Maker read his lips.

I have another opinion. Hitler was a bad person.

I long ago learned that it is useless and counterproductive to judge the principles, choices, ideals, morality and eternity of another person.

I can only decide what my principles, choices, ideals and morality are, and live my life in accordance therewith.

[cocodrilo]

I have another opinion. Hitler was a bad person.

I long ago learned that it is useless and counterproductive to judge the principles, choices, ideals, morality and eternity of another person.


You just did.

[DeanMeadGator]

There are facts about Bush and his background that suggest he had involvement in the assassination of one president and the attempted assassination of another (with the latter, had it been successful, making him president). So there is more, you see, than him once being CIA director that would make him a rather indecent person.

Now we all know that there was indeed another shooter on the grassy knoll, and who it was. I feel so much better now that the conspiracy theory has been proven to be true.

[DeanMeadGator]

You just did.

:laugh: For that, I take personal responsibility.

[cocodrilo]

Now we all know that there was indeed another shooter on the grassy knoll, and who it was. I feel so much better now that the conspiracy theory has been proven to be true.

If you are trying to insinuate that George Bush was the shooter on the grassy knoll, you are mistaken. It was Richard Nixon. (He bragged all about it for 18-1/2 minutes in the Oval Office, but Rosemary erased the tape.)

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I think History will treat HW Bush very kindly.

I hope his passage to the next life, (or for those so inclined, perhaps the great abyss), is a smooth and painless one.

[cocodrilo]

I think History will treat HW Bush very kindly.


Official, government-approved history, yes, certainly. The same history that says Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK, and John Hinckley shot Reagan. (The same people who write our official history have a ready supply of magic bullets.)

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

:laugh:




Over the years, you haven't changed a bit, have you coco?

BTW, I am the erstwhile GridWizard.

[cocodrilo]

Over the years, you haven't changed a bit, have you coco?


I find it more and more difficult to keep up with all the conspiracies.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

I find it more and more difficult to keep up with all the conspiracies.

I guess here are just so many of them?

[mocgator]

:laugh:

Over the years, you haven't changed a bit, have you coco?

BTW, I am the erstwhile GridWizard.

Sup Grid!? Holla.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Sup Grid!? Holla.

Hi Mark. Still living in the same town as me?

[busigator96]

Well, I'm 70 (71 in February) and not in good health. I'm ready to go. When I'm dying I will let you all know so that you can deluge me with your thoughts and prayers, or applaud and cheer loudly as the case may be. You can even piss on my deathbed thread, it won't much matter to me.

i was hoping you keep up the good fight!
:wave:

[JohnC1908]

I find it more and more difficult to keep up with all the conspiracies.

So how do you know the truth behind all of these conspiracies?

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

So how do you know the truth behind all of these conspiracies?

He is a member of the:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpgoi8uDKgHEmbnBrKayID30CpazmjZ Snbp7IwqVhdyAcCKcJtI95zRJFx

[cocodrilo]

So how do you know the truth behind all of these conspiracies?

Which ones?