The two 2014 QB's rated higher than Will Grier highlights

[GATORAZ]

In the Will Grier thread there was a discussion on could Florida have gotten a "5 star" and who were the higher ranked QB's?

Most people are happy Will Grier is a Gator, but since its the dead period I figured we might as well look at the others.

As of now the two QB's rated higher than Grier are Keller Chryst & Caleb Henderson

Keller Chryst is a 5 star prospect from Cali. Keller's father is QB coach for the 49'ers and his uncle is the head coach at Pitt. At this moment Keller holds scholarship offers from USC Stanford and Pitt. What's interesting is Keller grew up in North Carolina and he is intrigued by the SEC. He says he will visit Georgia Alabama and maybe Florida this summer. While Florida already has their QB for 2014 it might be hard to not pursue him since he has interest. Alabama is taking three QB's this year and Georgia is taking one so if he does decided to go to the SEC Georgia could be his landing spot.

Here are Keller's sophomore highlights below. I watched his Junior highlights before his school put them on private he did improve but you will get a good understanding of what he can do from is sophomore film.

Caleb Henderson I don't know too much about besides he would like an offer from Urban. It seems most of the top 10 QB's in the class of 2014 want an offer from Urban but Urban has his eyes on Clemson commit Deshaun Watson. Caleb's film is impressive and it might remind people of someone.

Caleb Henderson JR Highlights

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1460934/highlights/31123383


Keller Chryst sophomore highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjuZE-flqdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66a_3ArXYk

[g8r925]

that henderson kid has got good size, and a cannon for an arm, reminds me a little of a certain jets qb.

[Gatorbeck]

Henderson needs more zip on the ball, but def can throw it down field. Looks like a talent rich 14 qb class

[Notoriousgator]

that henderson kid has got good size, and a cannon for an arm, reminds me a little of a certain jets qb.

Oh God. Another Mark Sanchez? Ugh.. ;)

[Bladerunner]

I get the original posters point but honestly these ratings are very, very, very subjective. Just because someone is listed as 4-star, 5-star etc.. it's just an educated guess. Once they hit campus it means nothing. The coaches know what they have with the person, player and I trust them. Don't worry about 5-star guys you think are better because they probably aren't.

Examples of highly rated QB-'s Bobby Sablehouse, Brock Berlin
not so highly rated: Shane Matthews, Rex Grossman

Sure, some work out: Danny Weurffel, Chris Leak

[g8r925]

Oh God. Another Mark Sanchez? Ugh.. ;)

hahaha. we could def do without that.:wink:

[g8rphan19]

I get the original posters point but honestly these ratings are very, very, very subjective. Just because someone is listed as 4-star, 5-star etc.. it's just an educated guess. Once they hit campus it means nothing. The coaches know what they have with the person, player and I trust them. Don't worry about 5-star guys you think are better because they probably aren't.

Examples of highly rated QB-'s Bobby Sablehouse, Brock Berlin
not so highly rated: Shane Matthews, Rex Grossman

Sure, some work out: Danny Weurffel, Chris Leak

great post..took the words right out of my mouth...dont forget these so called experts also rated victor cruz as a 1 star recruit. Looks like he's doing pretty for himself on sundays

http://www.whosay.com/darrenrovell/photos/119858

[demosthenes]

great post..took the words right out of my mouth...dont forget these so called experts also rated victor cruz as a 1 star recruit. Looks like he's doing pretty for himself on sundays

http://www.whosay.com/darrenrovell/photos/119858

Good job picking one player that was a one star. Tell us four more without doing an internet search...

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Good job picking one player that was a one star. Tell us four more without doing an internet search...

I don't think that's a fair criticism. Can you name how many stars all of the above average players had coming out of high school?

His point, or what I took from his post, is that recruiting stars don't always equate to college or NFL success, which I think pretty much everyone can agree with.

Do more 4 & 5 star guys end up playing and starring on Sundays? Probably. I don't know the exact statistics, but I think we all get his point.

[demosthenes]

I don't think that's a fair criticism. Can you name how many stars all of the above average players had coming out of high school?

His point, or what I took from his post, is that recruiting stars don't always equate to college or NFL success, which I think pretty much everyone can agree with.

Do more 4 & 5 star guys end up playing and starring on Sundays? Probably. I don't know the exact statistics, but I think we all get his point.

He backs up his point by using anecdotal evidence. That is anything but conclusive. Statistical evidence shows the more stars the higher probability of being a better player. It's been talked about on shown on this site numerous times over the years.

Obviously no system is right 100% of the time. That doesn't take away from the merits of a ranking system.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

He backs up his point by using anecdotal evidence. That is anything but conclusive. Statistical evidence shows the more stars the higher probability of being a better player. It's been talked about on shown on this site numerous times over the years.

Obviously no system is right 100% of the time. That doesn't take away from the merits of a ranking system.

Just seemed like you were taking a shot at the guy for citing a relevant example of where the system can be flawed.

[g8rphan19]

He backs up his point by using anecdotal evidence. That is anything but conclusive. Statistical evidence shows the more stars the higher probability of being a better player. It's been talked about on shown on this site numerous times over the years.

Obviously no system is right 100% of the time. That doesn't take away from the merits of a ranking system.

Obviously this system isn't 100% right at all...Just this year how can the gators be ranked number 1(ESPN) 6 (scout) and 4 (rivals). How can there be that much of a disparity. The rankings are 100% subjective basically making them irrelevant. These rankings don't mean a whole lot which was my original point. Statistical evidence also proves #1 recruiting classes don't equal championships.... and isn't that the ultimate goal? You're right it was only one example but I thought it proved my point. Johnny Manziel was also only a 3 star...hes done pretty well so far, theres two examples

[Gatorrick22]

Grier is better than both of those guys, IMHO. I hope this is the last thread dedicated to the fainting goats and their insecurities about Grier.

Grier is the man..... and we have him. :santa:

[xenythx]

QB is one of the harder positions to project success from the HS level to college. In other positions, you can usually see the elite prospects and their pure athleticism and skill jump out at you on tape.

QBs in HS are playing in such varying offensive systems and with such varying talent level around them that it's hard to judge.

Usually the guys that top the recruiting rankings are guys that either play for powerhouse HS programs or have the benefit of professional coaching at an early age that refine their mechanics - examples are Jimmy Clausen and Matt Barkley.

[GATORAZ]

QB is one of the harder positions to project success from the HS level to college. In other positions, you can usually see the elite prospects and their pure athleticism and skill jump out at you on tape.

QBs in HS are playing in such varying offensive systems and with such varying talent level around them that it's hard to judge.

Usually the guys that top the recruiting rankings are guys that either play for powerhouse HS programs or have the benefit of professional coaching at an early age that refine their mechanics - examples are Jimmy Clausen and Matt Barkley.

You can tell Henderson has a coach and Keller's dad is a coach in the NFL. Of course Griers dad played QB as well. I wonder if Pease is going to go after Keller.

[Spleezy]

Grier looks better to me, but that's just one man's opinion.

[coldsteel120]

Addressing the original post, who ranks these players? The star system is a gimmick to sell subscriptions.

[StrangeGator]

QB is one of the harder positions to project success from the HS level to college. In other positions, you can usually see the elite prospects and their pure athleticism and skill jump out at you on tape.

QBs in HS are playing in such varying offensive systems and with such varying talent level around them that it's hard to judge.

Usually the guys that top the recruiting rankings are guys that either play for powerhouse HS programs or have the benefit of professional coaching at an early age that refine their mechanics - examples are Jimmy Clausen and Matt Barkley.

Let's not forget that Grier plays for a very small high school and against similar competition, though he is a coach's son.

[GATORAZ]

Let's not forget that Grier plays for a very small high school and against similar competition, though he is a coach's son.

Good point Strange, at the end of the day Grier is still making some big time throws no matter what the competitions is. I will note there is no way Grier will be running around and over people like he does in high school in the SEC.

[Gatorrick22]

Good point Strange, at the end of the day Grier is still making some big time throws no matter what the competitions is. I will note there is no way Grier will be running around and over people like he does in high school in the SEC.

And he still runs fast!!!!

[GATORAZ]

And he still runs fast!!!!

he is playing against some slow kids

[Gatorrick22]

he is playing against some slow kids

Funny........I wasn't comparing his speed to the opposing defense, but instead I looked at the yard markers and noticed how fast he passed five and ten yards at a time. They do still use the same size field - don't they?

If you had the computer skills I'm sure you could superimpose his runs against other fast runners and he'd still look very fast.

[GATORAZ]

Funny........I wasn't comparing his speed to the opposing defense, but instead I looked at the yard markers and noticed how fast he passed five and ten yards at a time. They do still sue the same size field - don't they.

If you had the computer skills I'm sure you could superimpose his runs against other fast runners and he'd still look very fast.

not in Carolina:wink: But to be honest different people have different perceptions of what fast his so everybody can be right

[Gatorrick22]

not in Carolina:wink: But to be honest different people have different perceptions of what fast his so everybody can be right

Lol... I still think he's plenty fast for a QB.

[GATORAZ]

Lol... I still he's plenty fast for a QB.

I think he will be great in the offense Florida runs

[GatorAvatar]

that henderson kid has got good size, and a cannon for an arm, reminds me a little of a certain jets qb.

Cannon of an arm is only but one trait to look for. What I am interested is what's between the ears. Can the kid read defenses, does he lock on one WR/target, does he know when to throw the ball away (instead of sacking himself) etc...

[gatordee]

I don't think that's a fair criticism. Can you name how many stars all of the above average players had coming out of high school?

His point, or what I took from his post, is that recruiting stars don't always equate to college or NFL success, which I think pretty much everyone can agree with.

Do more 4 & 5 star guys end up playing and starring on Sundays? Probably. I don't know the exact statistics, but I think we all get his point.

Good point. There will always be a dark horse out there while there will always be players that do not pan out like many expected them to. I would always take the 4-5 star recruit over the 1 star recruit for obvious reasons. However, I have heard way too many good things about Grier and believe he will be every bit as good as any of the 5* recruits and I am willing to bet that he will be a 5* himself very soon.

[Gatorrick22]

Good point. There will always be a dark horse out there while there will always be players that do not pan out like many expected them to. I would always take the 4-5 star recruit over the 1 star recruit for obvious reasons. However, I have heard way too many good things about Grier and believe he will be every bit as good as any of the 5* recruits and I am willing to bet that he will be a 5* himself very soon.



If that dark horse is Grier then we're set because that's who we have. And I'm happy he's a Gator.....soon to be.

[Tebowism0823]

If that dark house is Grier then we're set because that's who we have. And I'm happy he's a Gator.....soon to be.

This!

[Gatorrick22]

This!

:whistle::wave:


Can you change "house" into "horse" for me in my post.

[atlantagator86]

Addressing the original post, who ranks these players? The star system is a gimmick to sell subscriptions.

I don't think that's really fair. There's nothing inherently wrong with the star rating's system and they aren't made up. It's just that too many people take them as gospel and don't understand the limitations.

The problem is that there are a relatively small number of groups (really it's just Rivals, Scout and more recently ESPN) that somewhat independently rank kids. But there are literally thousands and thousands of kids across the country to rank and typically all they have to go by is stats, height, weight and video submitted by the school, the family or in some cases street agents that only show what they want you to see.

It's not just high school seniors, but there days you get 9th, 10th and 11th graders and in some cases kids even younger. We're talking HUGE numbers of kids to review.

So they take all this data and try to somewhat quantify it but there are just too many talented kids out there to do a really good job, so they tend to follow the hype or kids with gawdy stats or kids who have a lot of early interest from major programs.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I would guess that they are able to look at less than 5% of the kids seriously by the time they release their first star rankings during the junior year. And they are typically the ones with the most gawdy stats or who have the most interest from schools.

So then a few things happen. First, they have their sponsored events where for the first time, the recruiting services and in the most cases coaches get to get real measurements of these kids and really see how these kids perform on the field compared to each other. That effects the rankings. Some kids move up while others move down.

And then there are junior days and events at the schools like FNL where they see them again and in some cases might get to see kids they haven't reviewed yet in action. Again, rankings change and new kids might get ranked.

Then when major programs like UF are interested in a recruit nobody's really heard of, those recruiting services will go back and actually look at their tape. And you'll suddenly see a kid go from unranked to 3 or 4 stars.

Bottom line is that it's not that the rankings are bad but that a relatively small number of kids really get ranked accurately until they are seen.

In most cases, I think coaches would very generally say that at signing day, the recruiting services rankings for the kids in their class are fairly accurate. Certainly coaches might think a kid should be rated one star up or down.

But even the coaches can't really tell how good these kids are until they get them in practice.

Bottom line, while they are by no means an exact science, I think the star ratings are more than just a gimmick and I think that for the most part, the guys doing them know what they're doing. The big issue is the number of kids to be looked at and the inability until they have the camps to see these kids head-to-head.

[gatordee]

If that dark horse is Grier then we're set because that's who we have. And I'm happy he's a Gator.....soon to be.

Me to buddy!

[socraticsilence]

great post..took the words right out of my mouth...dont forget these so called experts also rated victor cruz as a 1 star recruit. Looks like he's doing pretty for himself on sundays

http://www.whosay.com/darrenrovell/photos/119858

Cam Newton, Tebow, Vince Young, all were top 35 recruits- other than rg3 dominant qbs don't tend to come from nowhere

[619_Gator]

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady. Big time recruits?

[demosthenes]

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady. Big time recruits?

Tom Brady was highly recruited...

Aaron Rodgers and Brees had the same problem with height. Aaron grew another 2 inches in college though. Brees also tore his ACL at the end of his junior year which prevented him from performing well in summer camps.

[Gatorrick22]

Tom Brady was highly recruited...

Aaron Rodgers and Brees had the same problem with height. Aaron grew another 2 inches in college though. Brees also tore his ACL at the end of his junior year which prevented him from performing well in summer camps.

Didn't Brady go in the 6th round? :yes:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-viral-video-tom-brady-cries,0,6718532.htmlstory

[demosthenes]

Didn't Brady go in the 6th round? :yes:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-viral-video-tom-brady-cries,0,6718532.htmlstory

What does that have to do with college recruiting?

[Gatorrick22]

What does that have to do with college recruiting?

Conflating two different things....