Robinson back to Clemson

[GatorInSC]

According to TigerIllustrated.com he has flipped back to Clemson

[lean_gator]

Hopefully LSU thumps Clemson by 50.

[UFreak]

We shall see. He may also be saying things to get the Clemson coaches and his high school coach off his back. We will know soon enough.

[GataBaitx3]

We shall see. He may also be saying things to get the Clemson coaches and his high school coach off his back. We will know soon enough.

If the kid wants to go to UF, let him go. Why are these high school coaches trying to influence these kids? It's ridiculous.

[gymgator]

I thought he enrolled this weekend?

[gator1986]

I thought he enrolled this weekend?

I say let him be I just don't get why kids want to go to Clemson they suck...

[StrangeGator]

Demarcus needs to remember to take his meds on a more regular basis.

[MadduxFanII]

Well. This sucks.

[StrangeGator]

Only way this is true is if there was some kind of transcript snafu and he was denied early admission to UF. Given the timing, that could be exactly what's going on. It wouldn't be the first time.

That said, information in other threads makes it sound like Robinson is all O & B.

[fubar1]

There will fire and brimstone raining down on UF Admissions if they were part of any admissions snafu with D. Robinson.

I really, really hope that wasn't the case and will assume not until it's proven otherwise.

[gatordee]

Only way this is true is if there was some kind of transcript snafu and he was denied early admission to UF. Given the timing, that could be exactly what's going on. It wouldn't be the first time.

That said, information in other threads makes it sound like Robinson is all O & B.

Good point. I agree

[GataBaitx3]

Only way this is true is if there was some kind of transcript snafu and he was denied early admission to UF. Given the timing, that could be exactly what's going on. It wouldn't be the first time.

That said, information in other threads makes it sound like Robinson is all O & B.

He said he wanted to play in the SEC and that he was told he could come in and have an immediate impact. Sounded like he was ready to ride.

[StrangeGator]

There will fire and brimstone raining down on UF Admissions if they were part of any admissions snafu with D. Robinson.

I really, really hope that wasn't the case and will assume not until it's proven otherwise.

That sort of thing is usually the fault of the high school. Seems a little more likely to happen when it's out of state, more so if it's a small, technologically challenged district.

Not getting any confirmation on this. It still doesn't seem likely that he's in Gainesville with his advisor on one day, putting his schedule together for the spring semester, then recommitting to Clemson the next.

Just finished helping my twins register for spring classes at their respective universities. I would not look forward to a "do-over."

[gatordee]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2012/12/17/3776770/demarcus-robinson-recruit-commit-clemson-from-florida

[Nicho]

Could be the coach rather than the player being paid off.

[LAGatorDoc]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2012/12/17/3776770/demarcus-robinson-recruit-commit-clemson-from-florida

Not much of a story in there.

[UFFL]

Could be the coach rather than the player being paid off.

Seriously I'm surprised his coach can take Clemson's d*ck out of his mouth long enough to coach the players

[DuPontGator]

Hate to say it.... I hope f$u wrecks those fools every year.

[gator7_5]

I say let him be I just don't get why kids want to go to Clemson they suck...

Clemson chucks the ball around a lot. I can see why a WR would want to go there. What amazes me is how they get a single defensive player worth a poo to go there. Their coaching and performance on that side of the ball is horrible.

[GATORAZ]

Could be the coach rather than the player being paid off.

I think we might have a winner

[MadduxFanII]

In the saga of weird recruiting flip-flops, where does this one rank? Patrick Robinson committed to us back in 2005 on regional television (for the '06 class), finished his segment, then got on his phone and told the coaches at Miami and FSU that he didn't mean it at all and was still completely open. And Marcus Roberson de-committed from Auburn and committed to Texas Tech a week before signing day, only to choose us on signing day.

Lot of competition in this area.

[LAGatorDoc]

This reminds me of David Dawson this year a little bit (even though he was a silent commit). I wonder if these recruits are seeing something different when they come here than what they were expecting???

[gatordee]

We will see. As long as there is not a problem with admissions, I still feel he will be a Gator.

[luciaboy]

it happens, at least he visited before flipping back. we did what we could. the big thing is right now clemson's offense is much better than ours and the wr's have been much more productive

[GATORAZ]

We will see. As long as there is not a problem with admissions, I still feel he will be a Gator.

I dont its the coach

[gatorbait1]

This sucks! How does he go into admissions to register for class that start in a couple weeks and be on an official visit to going back to Clemson???? Really chaps my a$s!

[rjp4u]

Why would Demarcus want to play in the ACC? The conference is getting worse every year! Maryland left, Maryland! Does anyone watch any of their games at all anymore? I never do. How can you pick the insignificant ACC and their meaningless games over playing in the best stadiums in the country? Would you rather play at Bama, LSU, and Tennessee or Georgia Tech? Duke? N.C. State? Even FSU doesn't sell out their ACC games. The conference is abysmal. Wish the kid well, but hope he likes the chic-filet bowl.

[gatorbait1]

Who does Clemson play in the bowl game???? Does anyone know?

[GataBaitx3]

Who does Clemson play in the bowl game???? Does anyone know?

LSU

[gatorbait1]

Who does Clemson play in the bowl game?

[gatorbait1]

I hope Lsu whoops them like nobody has ever seen before!!!!! Welcome to sec play! We play big boy ball every year!!!!

[GatorCrazy11]

So annoying.

Text from Coach Campbell to Derek Tyson: "He is going to Clemson!!"

[GataBaitx3]

So annoying.

Text from Coach Campbell to Derek Tyson: "He is going to Clemson!!"

Let the kid go where he wants. Put your selfish ways aside, coach.

[elrongator]

Wouldn't be surprised to see the coach at Clemson after this. What a douche bag.
Hope Robinson ends up with us and the coach gets fired for being a total dick.

[Jaggator]

Steve Spurrier OWNS Clemson.

[g8r925]

I hope the gamecocks and LSU monkey stomp the kitties, that coach is a joke.

[LimeyGator]

Meh. Lots of assumption, not much fact in here.

Good luck to the kid - if he wants to go to Clemson, that's his choice.

[ametcalf]

dang dog! that's too bad...

[ovillegator]

Maybe Clemson's telling him they will be getting into the SEC in a couple years.

[Gatorrick22]

I'd love to kick the crap out of Clemson next year, but they'll suck so badly.........again that they'll end-up in some peanut toilet bowl game.

[Gatorrick22]

L. Treadwell....................come on down......er... Clark or.....Coley.

[nawlinsgator]

Wouldn't be surprised to see the coach at Clemson after this. What a douche bag.
Hope Robinson ends up with us and the coach gets fired for being a total dick.

Campbell has been hobnobbing with the Clemson coaches. I'm with you. I'll bet he's going to get some kind of position at Clemson in the near future.

[phideltdj]

It's a good thing there is a dead period...didn't you say stop with the BS about payments or benefits by schools? Recruiting is a dirty business and has been perfected at the college level...and it has reached the kids in junior high...there is too much money at stake and lets face it...its usually about the money.

[Gatorrick22]

Campbell has been hobnobbing with the Clemson coaches. I'm with you. I'll bet he's going to get some kind of position at Clemson in the near future.

And I hope the get NCAA sanctions too..... Bye bye bowls for two years will do.

[Eggy21]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Jaggator]

This is BS. These recruits would make great politicians the way they flip-flop.

[BigIgator25]

I have a relative that teaches at the school, says the coach has been pushing Robinson to Clemson from the beginning. I dont know the dirty details behind it and he wont talk. He is actually very neutral for some crazy reason he is a ND fan. But he said that Robinson is happiest when he talks about UF to him. He tried to get him to look at ND, but his coach nixed that idea over the weekend. How does a coach allow one school to come in and talk but tell the other school no? He said he wouldnt be suprised if he flips again.

[InglesideGator]

I thought there was an issue with top recruit in the country being forced to Clemson by his HS coach in Georgia. Is this normal for HS coaches to play that big of a role in kid's college choice. Smells dirty to me and it has for years with Clemson!

[SECund2nun]

The coach is not his dad. It does not matter if the coach was paid off. Robinson should tell him to F off. It would only make sense for Robinson to suddenly switch back to Clemson if they paid him, not his coach.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

I don't know where he WANTS to play college ball but the bottom line, just like Clemmons is, let the young man play where he wants and let it be his decision. If, and that's IF, his HS coach is steering him or pressuring him to go anywhere, he needs to be excused from being a high school coach and go to college where he can recruit. I'm tired of seeing kids be used by people of influence in their lived regardless of their college choice. It's about as low as it gets.

[rserina]

Just because a coach wants a kid somewhere doesn't necessarily mean he is dirty. Don't know about this case at all, but often the coaches are looking out for these kids and trying to direct them, especially for some who don't have much guidance at home.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Just because a coach wants a kid somewhere doesn't necessarily mean he is dirty. Don't know about this case at all, but often the coaches are looking out for these kids and trying to direct them, especially for some who don't have much guidance at home.

Yes, that is true in some cases, absolutely.

But at what poiny does the coach stop giving input? How far should it go?

IMO, once a young man chooses a school, the parents and coaches need to back off and respect his opinion. I always felt that part of the process of maturing into an adult is being allowed to make choices and live with the results unless they are life threatening.

Given how recruiting works in today's environment, it would be naive to think coaches that push THAT hard don't have an alterior motive. It would also be jumping to conclusions to assume they are "dirty". Only time will tell I guess.

[LAGatorDoc]

Yes, that is true in some cases, absolutely.

But at what poiny does the coach stop giving input? How far should it go?

IMO, once a young man chooses a school, the parents and coaches need to back off and respect his opinion. I always felt that part of the process of maturing into an adult is being allowed to make choices and live with the results unless they are life threatening.

Given how recruiting works in today's environment, it would be naive to think coaches that push THAT hard don't have an alterior motive. It would also be jumping to conclusions to assume they are "dirty". Only time will tell I guess.

Plus Robinson's mom was on campus talking about e rolling in classes this weekend. Obviously she liked UF or that wouldn't be happening

[KronoGator]

Maybe Clemson's telling him they will be getting into the SEC in a couple years.

I know high school kids can be dumb, but I don't think any of them are that dumb.

Maybe the kids like wearing orange jerseys :whistle:

[GataBaitx3]

Plus Robinson's mom was on campus talking about e rolling in classes this weekend. Obviously she liked UF or that wouldn't be happening

Of course she liked it. Compared to Clemson, UF looks like Harvard.

[VandyGator13]

I just can't believe that a kid flips to UF, comes to UF on an OV, visits with the academic advisor, and then switches back to Clemson because his coach said so. I feel like his grades had to play an issue in this.

[GatorChamp96]

Clemson chucks the ball around a lot. I can see why a WR would want to go there. What amazes me is how they get a single defensive player worth a poo to go there. Their coaching and performance on that side of the ball is horrible.


It's easy to chuck the ball around when you play Wake, Maryland and Duke.

[born2beagator]

Something is fishy with Clemson recruiting.


You go where you want kid. Go ahead and go to Clemson where you will never have a chance to win anything.

[Gatorbeck]

This is BS. These recruits would make great politicians the way they flip-flop.

He's 18 bro, politicians are 50. Don't do the man like that

[gatorr4life]

I just can't believe that a kid flips to UF, comes to UF on an OV, visits with the academic advisor, and then switches back to Clemson because his coach said so. I feel like his grades had to play an issue in this.

This seems to make the most sense.

[247brother]

UF is much better and higher ranked academic school than Clemson...

[DieAGator]

I'll believe he signs with Clemson when he does.

[Tebowism0823]

Just because a coach wants a kid somewhere doesn't necessarily mean he is dirty. Don't know about this case at all, but often the coaches are looking out for these kids and trying to direct them, especially for some who don't have much guidance at home.

You're putting way too much faith in coaches these days. Times have changed.

[mac4lyfe]

Kids will go where they want to go. In the end, coaches have very little influence on where the kid ends up. Even when they are the father figure. My father in law has been a HS head coach for decades, had 600+ athletes get football scholarships and close to a 100 NFL draft picks, won state titles, national accolades and I don't think he ever quite knew what school the top kids would end up choosing because they had so many choices. For one thing, he would never tell the kid what to do but try to give them examples of what others did before them and try to give them as much info for them to make the best decision.

It's the less talented kids that he has to work hard to get smaller schools to take a chance on. Those kids are very much influenced because they don't have a lot of options. He has to work hard to convince them to continue their education by taking a scholly at some no name school in the middle of nowhere. The coach influences that because not a lot of other people will try. For the top recruits, everybody is trying to get them to go somewhere. Everywhere they go people want to know their decision. Most of the time it's all the hangerons that try to influence them but in the end the kid makes the final choice. Mom, dad, girlfriend, homeboys, etc., may lean on them but in a lot of those cases the kid chooses opposite of them just to get away.

Kids are easily influenced. That's why they waver back and forth. You never know what will make them decide. Sometimes it's the most stupid thing to you and I but to them it can be confirmation that that's the place to be.

[mikehev]

It is within the relm of possibility that he committed to Clemson to satisfy his hs coaches in the here and now, but could still flip back. I saw this sort of thing happen ages ago when I was in high school. Our head coach had a pipleline to and was very favorable towards South Carolina. Our prized back committed to South Carolina, which made the head coach very happy. On signing day, an UGA recruiting coordinator showed up, and the back signed with the dawgs.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

[dadx4]

It is what it is fellas. He's 18 years old. I think there is something in it though for his coach though. Did his coach go to Clemson?

[rpmGator]

We will still be Florida when its decided and they will still be Clemson.

[gatordee]

I'll believe he signs with Clemson when he does.

Cannot say I blame you

[GatorAvatar]

This year I decided not to closely follow recruiting after what happened last year with Diggs and Agholor. Best decision ever. I don't know who this guy is or how good he is. All I know is with or without him Gator nation moves forward and wins the BCS NC game next year.

[DieAGator]

Cannot say I blame you

Looking at NCAA stats I see Clemson only lost two games this year and has the 13th ranked pass offense. DR will be their premier WR in past two classes. I can see why he'd pick Clemson on its merit. If we had fewer WRs committed and at least a middle of the road pass game we would have a much better story to tell. We're sitting on the 113th pass game with some mystery as to why we cannot pass better. Maybe some of us are reading too much into the flip.

[Hill_Raiser]

Looking at NCAA stats I see Clemson only lost two games this year and has the 13th ranked pass offense. DR will be their premier WR in past two classes. I can see why he'd pick Clemson on its merit. If we had fewer WRs committed and at least a middle of the road pass game we would have a much better story to tell. We're sitting on the 113th pass game with some mystery as to why we cannot pass better. Maybe some of us are reading too much into the flip.

exactly. It's not always a nefarious plot. Maybe he watched some game tape and is interested in catching some TD passes occaisionally?

I still hope he committs to UF, but we'll do fine with or with out him.

[g8r925]

He may be back with the tiggers for now, but I don't think the staff will give up on him, they have recruited him to this point, and I don't think this is over quite yet.

[gatordee]

Clemson's offense does not impress me nor their their passing game. FSU beat them and look what we did to them. Swap schedules with them and their passing game would not be near what it is. I am just a firm believer that the SEC will have players more battle tested than the ACC. The chance to play on national tv in the games everyone will be watching while having a chance for a National Title has to be luring. I just believe he is and will be good enough to make a name for himself at UF. If people here do not believe Peace will be throwing the ball more next year, think again. Once Peace has the receivers he needs, WATCH OUT! And with the backs we have coming in, play action will be a mo fo.

[gatordee]

I just looked at Clemsons roster and after next year, their qb situation does not look impressive to me. A 3 star SO and a 2 star frosh with no qb commitments for next year.I have to be missing something here.

[Gatorrick22]

Clemson's offense does not impress me nor their their passing game. FSU beat them and look what we did to them. Swap schedules with them and their passing game would not be near what it is. I am just a firm believer that the SEC will have players more battle tested than the ACC. The chance to play on national tv in the games everyone will be watching while having a chance for a National Title has to be luring. I just believe he is and will be good enough to make a name for himself at UF. If people here do not believe Peace will be throwing the ball more next year, think again. Once Peace has the receivers he needs, WATCH OUT! And with the backs we have coming in, play action will be a mo fo.

Excellent point/s.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Excellent point/s.

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

[rpmGator]

They threw a lot more than we did this season. But we won, and they didn't. So I am always a bit suspect when a guy chooses numbers over W's.

MIght be why Clemson always looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

Our O will only get better and with the future looking bright at QB, the recievers who want W's will come.

[og8trz]

Money talks, everything else walks, I bet he ends up with the Clems. You have a former Bam as coach, at a win at all cost program which has historically cheated without repercussions. See Charley Pell, Danny Ford, and Tommy Bowden, all caught cheating at that program.

You don't have to be the assistant manager of the Loot & Go to figure this one out.

[woltes]

Sooner or later Clemson is going to go down. Can't wait to see it happen. Hopefully we can get Daniel who was once committed to that moron Dabo.

[Gatorrick22]

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

I just got berated by some newbie a$$wipe for my use of the word "you're" versus "your," because of my own bad editing. It wasn't even a typo - I changed my entire sentence (almost) and some clown thought I didn't even know the difference between the two words.....

[GatorJeff]

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

I noticed that some still say Peace rather than Pease. Actually, it's supposed to be "say your piece", right? :awkward:

[rburnett]

This year I decided not to closely follow recruiting after what happened last year with Diggs and Agholor. Best decision ever. I don't know who this guy is or how good he is. All I know is with or without him Gator nation moves forward and wins the BCS NC game next year.

wow.. you've come a long way since the beginning of this season.. lol

[Gatorrick22]

I noticed that some still say Peace rather than Pease. Actually, it's supposed to be "say your piece", right? :awkward:

Maybe if we all start spelling his name "Peas" then those same people will add an "e" at the end of his name. :whistle:

[woltes]

I am addicted to recruiting can't stop if I tried. :)

[Gatorrick22]

I am addicted to recruiting can't stop if I tried. :)

Me too friend, me too.

[atlantagator86]

If the kid wants to go to UF, let him go. Why are these high school coaches trying to influence these kids? It's ridiculous.

Not making specific accusations in this case, but I think there may be some school boosters out there who give "incentives" to high schools coaches who push kids their way. We KNOW they pay "street agents" so there's no reason to think they aren't paying coaches too.

[Gatorrick22]

Not making specific accusations in this case, but I think there may be some school boosters out there who give "incentives" to high schools coaches who push kids their way. We KNOW they pay "street agents" so there's no reason to think they aren't paying coaches too.

I'm not making accusations either, but duh. :happy:

That coach has to be getting some $ort of in$entive$ from $omeone.

[atlantagator86]

I just can't believe that a kid flips to UF, comes to UF on an OV, visits with the academic advisor, and then switches back to Clemson because his coach said so. I feel like his grades had to play an issue in this.

I don't know Robinson's situation but in many cases, a high school football coach is the most dominant male force in these kids lives and the closest thing to a father figure they have, so I can easily believe Robinson totally trusts his coach and will in fact do what he says.

Sometimes the coaches have only the best interests of the kid at heart and there are others who are only looking out for their own best interests.

I would suggest that if Muschamp didn't feel like Robinson could get enrolled due to grades, he probably wouldn't have been able to make an OV and Muschamp would be backing of on his recruitment.

[atlantagator86]

I'm not making accusations either, but duh. :happy:

That coach has to be getting some $ort of in$entive$ from $omeone.

VERY good chance there's some truth to that, but we don't know that.

One point here is that a lot of these high school coaches don't make much money. I just read the national average is about $32,000. So it may not take a huge amount of money to interest these coaches.

At the same time, there may be a very valid reason the coach think Clemson would be a better fit for Robinson.

[ArtDeco]

At the same time, there may be a very valid reason the coach think Clemson would be a better fit for Robinson.

Yeah, like he's overrated and Coach realizes he will get exposed going to a real football program. Thats the only answer that stays within the legal confines of recruiting.

[Gatorrick22]

VERY good chance there's some truth to that, but we don't know that.

One point here is that a lot of these high school coaches don't make much money. I just read the national average is about $32,000. So it may not take a huge amount of money to interest these coaches.

At the same time, there may be a very valid reason the coach think Clemson would be a better fit for Robinson.

I'd really like to know why he feels so compelled to sway him towards Clemson - even if he, the coach, feels Robinson's a better fit for them. The kid made his decision and then the coach intervened in his decision to change his mind - that's just overstepping his place in that kids life, IMHO.

[LAGatorDoc]

I'd really like to know why he feels so compelled to sway him towards Clemson - even if he, the coach, feels Robinson's a better fit for them. The kid made his decision and then the coach intervened in his decision to change his mind - that's just overstepping his place in that kids life, IMHO.

Maybe he feels our coaches overstepped our bounds by flipping him after he made his first decision... And then he loses a big chunk of change from Clemson for his boy changin his mind

[Gatorrick22]

Maybe he feels our coaches overstepped our bounds by flipping him after he made his first decision... And then he loses a big chunk of change from Clemson for his boy changing his mind

:laugh: Exactly!

[atlantagator86]

I'd really like to know why he feels so compelled to sway him towards Clemson - even if he, the coach, feels Robinson's a better fit for them. The kid made his decision and then the coach intervened in his decision to change his mind - that's just overstepping his place in that kids life, IMHO.

Don't know the answer to that. But it could be that based on the way UF has used it's receivers for the past few years that Robinson won't get enough touches. He may look at Debose and blame the UF coaches or the system for not Andre not becoming a superstar receiver. I think we all know better but perception is everything.

[Tebowism0823]

We will still be Florida when its decided and they will still be Clemson.

Case closed

[Gatorrick22]

Case closed

Awe..... c'mon man, this is a fun thread. :wave:

[Tebowism0823]

I am addicted to recruiting can't stop if I tried. :)

It's a drug

[The_Graygator]

I'm wondering when Robinson's HS school coach will be offered a job at Clemson?

[Gatorrick22]

I'm wondering when Robinson's HS school coach will be offered a job at Clemson?

:santa::santa: Came early for him.

[GatorAvatar]

wow.. you've come a long way since the beginning of this season.. lol

So have 90% of the board members. But if you look at my past comments, I might have underplayed our chances this year, but I have always said that we will be super in year 3 of CWM's tenure.

[Tebowism0823]

Awe..... c'mon man, this is a fun thread. :wave:

Ok back open :)

[swampsupreme]

Don't know the answer to that. But it could be that based on the way UF has used it's receivers for the past few years that Robinson won't get enough touches. He may look at Debose and blame the UF coaches or the system for not Andre not becoming a superstar receiver. I think we all know better but perception is everything.

We have joker phillips now though
Great OC and receivers coach.

[atlantagator86]

We have joker phillips now though
Great OC and receivers coach.

We have the 118th ranked passing offense with our "great OC". Only an average of about 144 YPG. This year our top wide receiver had 31 catches for just over 300 yards receiving in 12 games. That's under 3 catches per game. Last year, Deonte Thompson was the top wide receiver in terms of catches with 21 (That's under 2 catches per game). Debose had the more yardage but only 16 catches.

Clemson this year had Hopkins with 69 catches for over 1,200 yards and Watkins with 57 catches for over 700 yards. Clemson had 5 guys with over 300 yards receiving and 6 guys with over 20 catches (not sure how many of theirs are WRs). Last year there were 4 guys over 30 catches and 300 yards receiving.

I don't mean that as a slam against Pease but the numbers are what they are.

Again, I still think this HS coach could have some incentive to direct the kid to Clemson, but from a purely objective point of view, if he is completely above board and purely has this kids best interests in mind, I can see why he'd push this kid to Clemson.

As far as Joker Phillips goes, while I think some people immediately bought into the hype and I think Phillips can be a very good position coach, take at look at his offense at Kentucky. This year, King was the only receiver with over 30 catches or over 300 yards receiving at 48 catches and 488 yards receiving. In 2011, Kentucky had 2 - King at 40 catches for 598 yards and Roark at 36 catches for 349 yards. Point being that for all the hype, Joker Phillip's receivers weren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard either.

I'm not saying that our offense or our receivers won't be better next year. I really expect improvement, especially in the passing game. But I'm not sure this offense is ever going to be overly attractive to the top receivers who want 10+ touches per game. And fathers, mentors and high school coaches are probably going to tell them that.

[dadx4]

We have the 118th ranked passing offense with our "great OC". Only an average of about 144 YPG. This year our top wide receiver had 31 catches for just over 300 yards receiving in 12 games. That's under 3 catches per game. Last year, Deonte Thompson was the top wide receiver in terms of catches with 21 (That's under 2 catches per game). Debose had the more yardage but only 16 catches.

Clemson this year had Hopkins with 69 catches for over 1,200 yards and Watkins with 57 catches for over 700 yards. Clemson had 5 guys with over 300 yards receiving and 6 guys with over 20 catches (not sure how many of theirs are WRs). Last year there were 4 guys over 30 catches and 300 yards receiving.

I don't mean that as a slam against Pease but the numbers are what they are.

Again, I still think this HS coach could have some incentive to direct the kid to Clemson, but from a purely objective point of view, if he is completely above board and purely has this kids best interests in mind, I can see why he'd push this kid to Clemson.

As far as Joker Phillips goes, while I think some people immediately bought into the hype and I think Phillips can be a very good position coach, take at look at his offense at Kentucky. This year, King was the only receiver with over 30 catches or over 300 yards receiving at 48 catches and 488 yards receiving. In 2011, Kentucky had 2 - King at 40 catches for 598 yards and Roark at 36 catches for 349 yards. Point being that for all the hype, Joker Phillip's receivers weren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard either.

I'm not saying that our offense or our receivers won't be better next year. I really expect improvement, especially in the passing game. But I'm not sure this offense is ever going to be overly attractive to the top receivers who want 10+ touches per game. And fathers, mentors and high school coaches are probably going to tell them that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If we were completely honest with ourselves and your kid had a choice to go to one of these schools and he was wanting to get to the NFL as a WR, which one would he go to, mine would go to Clemson.

[stomp_and_chomp]

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If we were completely honest with ourselves and your kid had a choice to go to one of these schools and he was wanting to get to the NFL as a WR, which one would he go to, mine would go to Clemson.

You would be choosing an underdog then. :sad:

Going all the way back to 2006 we have sent 6 WR's to the NFL via Draft, whereas Clemson has only sent 2.

Neither schools have sent a WR to the last 2 Draft's, however.

2010 was Clemson's most recent - Jacoby Ford for the Jags. Our's was in the same year as well - Riley Cooper.

Percy has been our best WR talent to turn Pro in very recent memory, in terms of overall greatness. 2009 Rookie of the Year.

[Newk44]

You would be choosing an underdog then. :sad:

Going all the way back to 2006 we have sent 6 WR's to the NFL via Draft, whereas Clemson has only sent 2.

Neither schools have sent a WR to the last 2 Draft's, however.

2010 was Clemson's most recent - Jacoby Ford for the Jags. Our's was in the same year as well - Riley Cooper.

Percy has been our best WR talent to turn Pro in very recent memory, in terms of overall greatness. 2009 Rookie of the Year.

I like the way you think only reason we haven't sent any body lately is because the WR we have had did not have a OL to block for the QB to block for him to throw them the ball now we have that OL so come bask in the greatness that is Florida

[orangeblueorangeblue]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If we were completely honest with ourselves and your kid had a choice to go to one of these schools and he was wanting to get to the NFL as a WR, which one would he go to, mine would go to Clemson.

At this point, yes.

I mean, in 2000 you'd be an idiot to not consider UF if you were a WR. Same in 2003 or so, when we had Chad Jackson eclipse 1000 yards and emerging talents in Baker & Caldwell.

Since Percy Harvin left - and in all honesty he was probably viewed very differently as a hybrid - we haven't done a great job highlighting our wideouts. I thought that would change a bit when Meyer left but somehow it got worse. I'm not sure if that's scheme, the QBs or the WRs just not working out.

[rserina]

Some of you crack me up with your "honesty." Coming into the season, the common refrain from commentators around the country was that Florida's receivers were not very good. So we go out and execute an offense that is pretty effective against upper tier SEC teams (20 on the road at A&M, dominating 14-point second half performance against LSU, 44 on SC) using the strengths we have on hand, but you guys think that actually legitimates Robinson's pick of Clemson?

What if, just maybe, the reason for ineffectiveness passing the ball had nothing to do with Pease or the scheme we are trying to run and everything to do with the fact that our talent at receiver is unbelievably low, and therefore playing time is ready and available for younger, more talented kids to earn? We have a five-star quarterback at the helm coming off a year of experience, the second year in a new offensive system that was the second in as many years last season, and an offensive line that through recruiting and transfer has improved depth and talent appreciably. That sounds to me like a pretty good sell, whether a kid wants to come here or not (for my part, I think Robinson is torn and has been all fall).

We are rarely ever going to drop 300 yards passing on anyone in the SEC, nor are we going to lay out the playbook against inferior teams. That's not the way the current staff works. Comparing Florida and Clemson statistically is just silly. But for all the bluster from some of you about Clemson's dynamic offense, they scored the same number of points against FSU that we did--and lost. They also accrued a grant total of 30 more yards (426 to our 394) against FSU. And that was with Boyd, Hopkins, Watkins, Ford, et al. If I am Sweeney, I sell high because it isn't going to get much better than that for him.

[MadduxFanII]

What if, just maybe, the reason for ineffectiveness passing the ball had nothing to do with Pease or the scheme we are trying to run and everything to do with the fact that our talent at receiver is unbelievably low, and therefore playing time is ready and available for younger, more talented kids to earn? We have a five-star quarterback at the helm coming off a year of experience, the second year in a new offensive system that was the second in as many years last season, and an offensive line that through recruiting and transfer has improved depth and talent appreciably. That sounds to me like a pretty good sell, whether a kid wants to come here or not (for my part, I think Robinson is torn and has been all fall).

I think this is true. You think this is true. Robinson may even be inclined to think it's true. But it's also essentially the same argument every team recruiting a player at a position it hasn't done much with says to the player.

"We didn't have the right players. You're the right player. We'll be better with you there."

It's not a bad argument. It's not illogical. But I think kids are going to be a little torn when they hear that. Is the pitch true, or are they just saying it to butter me up and get me to stop thinking about production?

[GatorJeff]

Some of you crack me up with your "honesty." Coming into the season, the common refrain from commentators around the country was that Florida's receivers were not very good. So we go out and execute an offense that is pretty effective against upper tier SEC teams (20 on the road at A&M, dominating 14-point second half performance against LSU, 44 on SC) using the strengths we have on hand, but you guys think that actually legitimates Robinson's pick of Clemson?

What if, just maybe, the reason for ineffectiveness passing the ball had nothing to do with Pease or the scheme we are trying to run and everything to do with the fact that our talent at receiver is unbelievably low, and therefore playing time is ready and available for younger, more talented kids to earn? We have a five-star quarterback at the helm coming off a year of experience, the second year in a new offensive system that was the second in as many years last season, and an offensive line that through recruiting and transfer has improved depth and talent appreciably. That sounds to me like a pretty good sell, whether a kid wants to come here or not (for my part, I think Robinson is torn and has been all fall).

We are rarely ever going to drop 300 yards passing on anyone in the SEC, nor are we going to lay out the playbook against inferior teams. That's not the way the current staff works. Comparing Florida and Clemson statistically is just silly. But for all the bluster from some of you about Clemson's dynamic offense, they scored the same number of points against FSU that we did--and lost. They also accrued a grant total of 30 more yards (426 to our 394) against FSU. And that was with Boyd, Hopkins, Watkins, Ford, et al. If I am Sweeney, I sell high because it isn't going to get much better than that for him.

Great point. The Gators were "run-centric" in 2012, at least partly attributable to the dearth of talent at WR. Give Driskel an elite WR or two, and we'll see more passing, particularly on early downs.

[atlantagator86]

rserina:

Way to twist my statement to try to prove your point, but the argument isn't about total offense, it's about how the WRs have been used in the current offense. This is no longer the pass-happy offense of Spurrier or Zook, of the spread offense of Meyer. This is the offense that Muschamp stated he wanted to run from the day he was hired.

The offense this year and moving forward will be built around the power running game ... for probably the first time in over 20 years! Muschamp has stated this several times. And as far as I'm concerned, that's great.

I think we can all acknowledge that we're a little thin for talent at WR, but even if we had the talent Muschamp wanted, do you seriously think we'd suddenly become a pass happy offense that guarantees a receiver 8-10 touches per game? The answer is probably NO!

As long as Muschamp is here, we're going to be looking at an offense that is built around controlling time-of-possession and wearing defenses down. I'm pretty certain Muschamp and Pease want to get a little more balance in the offense, so we'll surely try to pass more than we did the past 2 years, but chances are this offense is never going to feature a WR.

That makes it harder to recruit the elite wide receivers, especially when every other school is using this against us.

But my comments were only to illustrate why his coach could be pushing him to Clemson, even if there's nothing going on under the table.

As far as what Robinson ultimately does, it's anybody's guess. Clearly, he has a lot of interest in UF, despite what his coach and mother are telling him. But he seems to have a lot of people in his ear pushing him to Clemson.

[GatorAvatar]

We have the 118th ranked passing offense with our "great OC". Only an average of about 144 YPG. This year our top wide receiver had 31 catches for just over 300 yards receiving in 12 games. That's under 3 catches per game. Last year, Deonte Thompson was the top wide receiver in terms of catches with 21 (That's under 2 catches per game). Debose had the more yardage but only 16 catches.

Clemson this year had Hopkins with 69 catches for over 1,200 yards and Watkins with 57 catches for over 700 yards. Clemson had 5 guys with over 300 yards receiving and 6 guys with over 20 catches (not sure how many of theirs are WRs). Last year there were 4 guys over 30 catches and 300 yards receiving.

I don't mean that as a slam against Pease but the numbers are what they are.

Again, I still think this HS coach could have some incentive to direct the kid to Clemson, but from a purely objective point of view, if he is completely above board and purely has this kids best interests in mind, I can see why he'd push this kid to Clemson.

As far as Joker Phillips goes, while I think some people immediately bought into the hype and I think Phillips can be a very good position coach, take at look at his offense at Kentucky. This year, King was the only receiver with over 30 catches or over 300 yards receiving at 48 catches and 488 yards receiving. In 2011, Kentucky had 2 - King at 40 catches for 598 yards and Roark at 36 catches for 349 yards. Point being that for all the hype, Joker Phillip's receivers weren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard either.

I'm not saying that our offense or our receivers won't be better next year. I really expect improvement, especially in the passing game. But I'm not sure this offense is ever going to be overly attractive to the top receivers who want 10+ touches per game. And fathers, mentors and high school coaches are probably going to tell them that.

Common sense, facts and objectivity are usually not tolerated on these boards. You sir have been warned. :whistle:

[Nicho]

Common sense, facts and objectivity are usually not tolerated on these boards.

LOL, coming from the torch bearer of all those things.

[gatordee]

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

LOL!! You got me! I noticed it (Pease) when I was going over the thread and thought "glad no one gave me a hard time about that! lol

[1984Gator]

rserina:

Way to twist my statement to try to prove your point, but the argument isn't about total offense, it's about how the WRs have been used in the current offense. This is no longer the pass-happy offense of Spurrier or Zook, of the spread offense of Meyer. This is the offense that Muschamp stated he wanted to run from the day he was hired.

The offense this year and moving forward will be built around the power running game ... for probably the first time in over 20 years! Muschamp has stated this several times. And as far as I'm concerned, that's great.

I think we can all acknowledge that we're a little thin for talent at WR, but even if we had the talent Muschamp wanted, do you seriously think we'd suddenly become a pass happy offense that guarantees a receiver 8-10 touches per game? The answer is probably NO!

As long as Muschamp is here, we're going to be looking at an offense that is built around controlling time-of-possession and wearing defenses down. I'm pretty certain Muschamp and Pease want to get a little more balance in the offense, so we'll surely try to pass more than we did the past 2 years, but chances are this offense is never going to feature a WR.

That makes it harder to recruit the elite wide receivers, especially when every other school is using this against us.

But my comments were only to illustrate why his coach could be pushing him to Clemson, even if there's nothing going on under the table.

As far as what Robinson ultimately does, it's anybody's guess. Clearly, he has a lot of interest in UF, despite what his coach and mother are telling him. But he seems to have a lot of people in his ear pushing him to Clemson.

Talk about glass half empty. Our offense is not so different than Bama's. Have they been able to attract NFL WR talent? Julio Jones ring a bell. WR's don't need 1000 yard seasons to get notices, they need talent and why not show your skills on TV every week and in marquee games like the SEC Championship or the National Title game?

[Tebowism0823]

Some of you crack me up with your "honesty." Coming into the season, the common refrain from commentators around the country was that Florida's receivers were not very good. So we go out and execute an offense that is pretty effective against upper tier SEC teams (20 on the road at A&M, dominating 14-point second half performance against LSU, 44 on SC) using the strengths we have on hand, but you guys think that actually legitimates Robinson's pick of Clemson?

What if, just maybe, the reason for ineffectiveness passing the ball had nothing to do with Pease or the scheme we are trying to run and everything to do with the fact that our talent at receiver is unbelievably low, and therefore playing time is ready and available for younger, more talented kids to earn? We have a five-star quarterback at the helm coming off a year of experience, the second year in a new offensive system that was the second in as many years last season, and an offensive line that through recruiting and transfer has improved depth and talent appreciably. That sounds to me like a pretty good sell, whether a kid wants to come here or not (for my part, I think Robinson is torn and has been all fall).

We are rarely ever going to drop 300 yards passing on anyone in the SEC, nor are we going to lay out the playbook against inferior teams. That's not the way the current staff works. Comparing Florida and Clemson statistically is just silly. But for all the bluster from some of you about Clemson's dynamic offense, they scored the same number of points against FSU that we did--and lost. They also accrued a grant total of 30 more yards (426 to our 394) against FSU. And that was with Boyd, Hopkins, Watkins, Ford, et al. If I am Sweeney, I sell high because it isn't going to get much better than that for him.

Couldn't agree more!

[Tebowism0823]

rserina:

Way to twist my statement to try to prove your point, but the argument isn't about total offense, it's about how the WRs have been used in the current offense. This is no longer the pass-happy offense of Spurrier or Zook, of the spread offense of Meyer. This is the offense that Muschamp stated he wanted to run from the day he was hired.

The offense this year and moving forward will be built around the power running game ... for probably the first time in over 20 years! Muschamp has stated this several times. And as far as I'm concerned, that's great.

I think we can all acknowledge that we're a little thin for talent at WR, but even if we had the talent Muschamp wanted, do you seriously think we'd suddenly become a pass happy offense that guarantees a receiver 8-10 touches per game? The answer is probably NO!

As long as Muschamp is here, we're going to be looking at an offense that is built around controlling time-of-possession and wearing defenses down. I'm pretty certain Muschamp and Pease want to get a little more balance in the offense, so we'll surely try to pass more than we did the past 2 years, but chances are this offense is never going to feature a WR.

That makes it harder to recruit the elite wide receivers, especially when every other school is using this against us.

But my comments were only to illustrate why his coach could be pushing him to Clemson, even if there's nothing going on under the table.

As far as what Robinson ultimately does, it's anybody's guess. Clearly, he has a lot of interest in UF, despite what his coach and mother are telling him. But he seems to have a lot of people in his ear pushing him to Clemson.

It's only twisted because you can't grasp it.

[Tebowism0823]

LOL, coming from the torch bearer of all those things.

Exactly.

[atlantagator86]

Talk about glass half empty. Our offense is not so different than Bama's. Have they been able to attract NFL WR talent? Julio Jones ring a bell. WR's don't need 1000 yard seasons to get notices, they need talent and why not show your skills on TV every week and in marquee games like the SEC Championship or the National Title game?

Our offense is going to look a lot like Bama's. But outside of Jones, how many big time WRs has Bama produced in the last 10 years.

Some of you are reading into this what you want to hear. I'm not saying our passing game won't improve or that we'll never get big-time WR recruits. We will. We already have Fulwood and Bailey.

All I'm saying is that the lack of production over the past few years is being used against us and that I suspect that's a big part of what's been put in Robinson's ear by his coach. And until/unless we start seeing real production, it's going to be a difficult sell.

The same thing has been true with RBs over the past several years. Really going back to when Spurrier arrived, UF has had a difficult time attracting the top elite RB recruits. We got Taylor and Fason rarely got any or our top 3 targets in any given year. That's not to say that we didn't sign talented players but we typically were getting the 4th and 5th guys on the board.

I said last year that until we had a 1,000 yard rusher, we would have a tough time getting serious interest. We finally show a power running game and have a 1,000 yard rusher and suddenly we have guys like Collins very interested, to go with Lane and Taylor.

That's just the way recruiting seems to work.

[atlantagator86]

It's only twisted because you can't grasp it.

Oooohhhh, good one! ;)

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Our offense is going to look a lot like Bama's. But outside of Jones, how many big time WRs has Bama produced in the last 10 years.

Some of you are reading into this what you want to hear. I'm not saying our passing game won't improve or that we'll never get big-time WR recruits. We will. We already have Fulwood and Bailey.

All I'm saying is that the lack of production over the past few years is being used against us and that I suspect that's a big part of what's been put in Robinson's ear by his coach. And until/unless we start seeing real production, it's going to be a difficult sell.

The same thing has been true with RBs over the past several years. Really going back to when Spurrier arrived, UF has had a difficult time attracting the top elite RB recruits. We got Taylor and Fason rarely got any or our top 3 targets in any given year. That's not to say that we didn't sign talented players but we typically were getting the 4th and 5th guys on the board.

I said last year that until we had a 1,000 yard rusher, we would have a tough time getting serious interest. We finally show a power running game and have a 1,000 yard rusher and suddenly we have guys like Collins very interested, to go with Lane and Taylor.

That's just the way recruiting seems to work.

I actually agree with you that our lack of production in the passing game has hurt our chances with guys like North and Robert Foster, and I'm sure Robinson has people in his ear, telling him that Florida is not the best place for him to utilize his talents.

But I also think you're selling Pease and Muschamp a bit short. A lot of factors went into why our passing game struggled this year. However, that's for another day and another thread. Poor pass protection, average receivers and a young QB all were the main factors into why we struggled in that area, and Pease did a wonderful job of realizing that a physical running game was the direction we needed to go in to win games this year. He did nothing more than play to what he knew the strength of the offense would be. That's smart coaching.

The offense will continue to evolve. I've argued many times that we didn't see the full effect of Meyer's spread offense until the second half of the Arkansas game following that loss to Ole Miss. If Pease gets a receiver he's comfortable "featuring" in his offense, look at what he did at Boise State. When he had guys like Moore and Young, he knew what to do with them. However, it's harder to put on an air show in this league. The defensive talent in the SEC is ridiculous.

Remember that three years into Mullen's stay in Gainesville, the running joke was that all he knew how to do was get the ball to Harvin, and run Tebow to the left, the right, or up the middle. Now he's at Mississippi State. Give it time.

[DeBigLeezard]

NoahBean...
Could not have been said better!
I can promise everyone and the moon that our passing offense will be MUCH BETTER in the fall of 2013 than it was this year.
Not only will our receivers be more in tuned with Pease's game plan and routes...
But our offensive line will be MUCH better.

(Take a look at Tyler Moore's picture.
The guy is a beast! I can see WHY he started as a freshman at Nebraska.)

[atlantagator86]

I actually agree with you that our lack of production in the passing game has hurt our chances with guys like North and Robert Foster, and I'm sure Robinson has people in his ear, telling him that Florida is not the best place for him to utilize his talents.

But I also think you're selling Pease and Muschamp a bit short. A lot of factors went into why our passing game struggled this year. However, that's for another day and another thread. Poor pass protection, average receivers and a young QB all were the main factors into why we struggled in that area, and Pease did a wonderful job of realizing that a physical running game was the direction we needed to go in to win games this year. He did nothing more than play to what he knew the strength of the offense would be. That's smart coaching.

The offense will continue to evolve. I've argued many times that we didn't see the full effect of Meyer's spread offense until the second half of the Arkansas game following that loss to Ole Miss. If Pease gets a receiver he's comfortable "featuring" in his offense, look at what he did at Boise State. When he had guys like Moore and Young, he knew what to do with them. However, it's harder to put on an air show in this league. The defensive talent in the SEC is ridiculous.

Remember that three years into Mullen's stay in Gainesville, the running joke was that all he knew how to do was get the ball to Harvin, and run Tebow to the left, the right, or up the middle. Now he's at Mississippi State. Give it time.

NoahBeanBizzel:

Nice post and I agree with much of what you said. In fact I stated in the post you replied to that we've already got 2 really good receivers in this class and that I expect the passing game will improve. It HAS to improve and we've absolutely got to have more balance and make defenses respect the pass to have long-term success. That will make the running game even better.

But the one point I will respectfully disagree on is how much I think it will change.

Muschamp's style is, and will probably always be great defense and don't make mistakes on offense. It's going to probably be about ball control and managing the clock. Muschamp pretty clearly believes that defense wins games. This is the philosophy he learned from Saban and exactly how Bama plays. And as I've said at least once in this thread, I think our general style of play is going to look a LOT like Bama.

Our defense is going to big big and fast. And our offense is probably going to have big physical running backs and pound the ball and control the clock.

UF was #35 in rushing with 194 YPG and our passing game was #118 with 144 YPG. Bama was #19 rushing with 225 YPG and #85 in passing at 215 YPG, despite AJ McCarron having the highest QB rating in college football.

Bama could probably throw for 300 YPG every game if they wanted, but they don't, because Saban wants to control the clock and wear the other team down. Bama has had 300 pass attempts this year and 525 rushing plays. That's 64% running plays and only about 23 pass attempts per game. By comparison, UF averaged 22 passing attempts per game and 44 rushing plays, which is 66% percent running plays. VERY similar comparisons.

The point here being that I think to a large extent, UF is basically running the offense it wants to run. The problem is that the passing game hasn't been effective, and because of that drives are stalling and not resulting in as many points.

My expectation is that what we'll see is the passing game improve - the OL will get better at giving the QB time and the WRs will do a better job getting open - and become much more efficient in the next few years, which in turn will make the running game even better! But that's probably not going to bring a dramatic change in offensive style. We'll probably still continue to be 60-65% running plays versus passing plays (unless our running game somehow becomes ineffective). We'll hopefully see longer more sustained drives that hopefully result in TDs instead of FGs. But it will still be using the pass to set up the run and we're unlikely to ever regularly see more than 30 pass plays in a game.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

NoahBeanBizzel:

Nice post and I agree with much of what you said. In fact I stated in the post you replied to that we've already got 2 really good receivers in this class and that I expect the passing game will improve. It HAS to improve and we've absolutely got to have more balance and make defenses respect the pass to have long-term success. That will make the running game even better.

But the one point I will respectfully disagree on is how much I think it will change.

Muschamp's style is, and will probably always be great defense and don't make mistakes on offense. It's going to probably be about ball control and managing the clock. Muschamp pretty clearly believes that defense wins games. This is the philosophy he learned from Saban and exactly how Bama plays. And as I've said at least once in this thread, I think our general style of play is going to look a LOT like Bama.

Our defense is going to big big and fast. And our offense is probably going to have big physical running backs and pound the ball and control the clock.

UF was #35 in rushing with 194 YPG and our passing game was #118 with 144 YPG. Bama was #19 rushing with 225 YPG and #85 in passing at 215 YPG, despite AJ McCarron having the highest QB rating in college football.

Bama could probably throw for 300 YPG every game if they wanted, but they don't, because Saban wants to control the clock and wear the other team down. Bama has had 300 pass attempts this year and 525 rushing plays. That's 64% running plays and only about 23 pass attempts per game. By comparison, UF averaged 22 passing attempts per game and 44 rushing plays, which is 66% percent running plays. VERY similar comparisons.

The point here being that I think to a large extent, UF is basically running the offense it wants to run. The problem is that because the passing game hasn't been effective, drives are stalling and not resulting in as many points.

My expectation is that what we'll see is the passing game improve and be much more efficient in the next few years, which in turn will make the running game even better! But we will probably still continue to be 60-65% running plays versus passing plays (unless our running game somehow becomes ineffective). And we're unlikely to ever regularly see more than 30 pass plays in a game.

I'm fine with this if it produces three national titles over the next four years. Alabama is getting their share of talent at the WR position, and I think we'll do the same with more efficiency out of the passing game. Heck, we've already gotten four outstanding prospects on their way in. With or without Robinson we've done pretty well addressing that need.

[atlantagator86]

NoahBeanBizzel:

I think we're mostly on the same page. And yes, I agree that we've done well at addressing our WR needs with or without Robinson.

In my opinion, Fulwood is the real key because he can finally be that big fast physical receiver that creates real mismatch problems, like a Julio Jones.

[gator1986]

NoahBeanBizzel:

I think we're mostly on the same page. And yes, I agree that we've done well at addressing our WR needs with or without Robinson.

In my opinion, Fulwood is the real key because he can finally be that big fast physical receiver that creates real mismatch problems, like a Julio Jones.

People act like we need Robinson... Fulwood is 6'4 himself, and by the time next season rolls around he could easily be 195-200, and a real threat.. I say we're fine where we stand, offer James Clark pick up a talented, very speedy, very elusive small WR and we will be fine.. I mean Florida has three receivers in this class that are 6'0 and over with one at 6'2 ( Hawkins ).. This WR class is already the best in the nation IMO where it stands, and anything else added from here on out... Well.... It's just a plus

[SavageGator]

We are 11-1 rated third nationally and winning exactly the way we are supposed to controlling the clock, not turning the ball over, running first and passing when it makes sense. I for one will take that with a trip to a BCS bowl game versus playing in the minor leagues of the pitiful ACC with a 10-2 record and a probable loss to LSU. That would make for 3 losses to teams we beat (FSU, USCE and LSU). It is logical that we would pass more often with more talent at WR.

[gatorbait1]

Agreed. Just wondering, though, why do people still say Peace? LOL

Peace and hair Greece my brotha.....:)

[gatorbait1]

I am addicted to recruiting can't stop if I tried. :)

Me too bro! Hooked man

[GATORAZ]

Florida does not need Demarucs Robinson to win games but it he would fill a huge need in the offense. People complained all year about not throwing the ball down field. Well to throw the ball down field you NEED a vertical threat. Demarcus Robinson was that vertical threat. Fulwood is not that fast but can be a threat as an outside WR once he puts on the needed weight. With him not being an EE it will be tough for him to put on the weight plus learn how to play against college DB's.

D Rob was an EE plus he was explosive. I think the team can win a NC without D Rob next year but he sure would have made it a lot easier on the offense next year.

[Dreamliner]

Why the past tense on Robinson ? Isn't the latest news that he's likely to stick with us ? I swear, I can't keep up.

[atlantagator86]

Fulwood is not that fast but can be a threat as an outside WR once he puts on the needed weight. With him not being an EE it will be tough for him to put on the weight plus learn how to play against college DB's.

Scout lists Fulwood at 200 lbs while Rivals and ESPN lists him at 189 lbs. I have noticed that while I don't think their assessments of talents are up to par, Scout usually seems to have more accurate measurables on these kids. I think they either see the kids later than the other services or see them more often and update. So it's very possible if not more than likely that he's already up to 200 lbs or more.

He's also listed as a 4.47 40 which while it isn't blazing speed is pretty decent. Julio Jones was listed as a 4.5 40 so he's potentially a little faster than Jones.

[Gator4Christ]

Fullwood turning a 4.47 at 6'4/200 is more than impressive considering he will add some size without compromising his speed. I didnt realize he was that fast.

But the possible opportunity to have had him and a D Robinson on the edges changes things drastically with 2 big and fast guys

[GATORAZ]

Scout lists Fulwood at 200 lbs while Rivals and ESPN lists him at 189 lbs. I have noticed that while I don't think their assessments of talents are up to par, Scout usually seems to have more accurate measurables on these kids. I think they either see the kids later than the other services or see them more often and update. So it's very possible if not more than likely that he's already up to 200 lbs or more.

He's also listed as a 4.47 40 which while it isn't blazing speed is pretty decent. Julio Jones was listed as a 4.5 40 so he's potentially a little faster than Jones.

Fulwood is not as fast as Julio Jones. Fulwood is a very smooth runner for his height but he is not explosive. Dont think Julio Jones think Alshon Jeffery once he is a finished product. Fulwood has said himself he need to add weight to his frame. ESPN has him at 189 which I would think is right because they took measurements for kids to get to the OPENING. I think he will make a huge jump from year 1 to year 2 at Florida but he is not going to jump kids already on the team in fall camp. I do see him getting on the field but not having a huge role. D Rob has a good shot at getting starters snaps at WR next year

Of course this is all my non expert opinion.




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[Nicho]

Great insights, AZ. Insightful and objective. I agree that we can win it all without D. Robinson, but it sure would make things easier if he came.

[VandyGator13]

When do classes start and EE make it to campus?

[Gator4Christ]

7 Jan 13

[atlantagator86]

Fulwood is not as fast as Julio Jones. Fulwood is a very smooth runner for his height but he is not explosive. Dont think Julio Jones think Alshon Jeffery once he is a finished product. Fulwood has said himself he need to add weight to his frame. ESPN has him at 189 which I would think is right because they took measurements for kids to get to the OPENING.

Hard to say on the speed. 4.47 versus 4.5 is splitting hairs, but 4.5 is what Jones' profile listed him at.

The thing on the measurables, as I recall, is that each of the recruiting services get them from their sponsored events. Not sure how it is now, but I think a few years ago, Rivals got their measurement in the Spring and Scout had their event late Summer. So a lot of the kids would either grow an inch or 2 or add 10 lbs. I don't think ESPN has any events so they probably pull their measurements from another source (maybe Rivals - don't know).

I don't think either is particularly more accurate than the other, it's just a matter of who's data is most current.

[GATORAZ]

Hard to say on the speed. 4.47 versus 4.5 is splitting hairs, but 4.5 is what Jones' profile listed him at.

The thing on the measurables, as I recall, is that each of the recruiting services get them from their sponsored events. Not sure how it is now, but I think a few years ago, Rivals got their measurement in the Spring and Scout had their event late Summer. So a lot of the kids would either grow an inch or 2 or add 10 lbs. I don't think ESPN has any events so they probably pull their measurements from another source (maybe Rivals - don't know).

I don't think either is particularly more accurate than the other, it's just a matter of who's data is most current.

I am pretty sure ESPN got their measurements from the opening and other Nike events. The OPENING is basically the last event of the season. That picture was taken this season and you see he needs to add more bulk to his frame. He has also said he needs more bulk

I am not trying to argue 40 times all I am saying is he is not an explosive athlete. He does not get up to full speed fast. He is not one of those players that is just going to out quick someone on the line and run past DB's in college. He is going to need bulk up to use his frame. At the line of scrimmage he will need to out muscle DB's. I cant wait for it to happen but that takes time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljiaojL5fM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1edj89ZVk8

[Dreamliner]

Don't see how you can tell that he is not an explosive athlete from that vid. One thing I think you can tell is that he appears to be ALL of 6-4, maybe 6-5. He looks like a man among boys.

[demosthenes]

I am pretty sure ESPN got their measurements from the opening and other Nike events. The OPENING is basically the last event of the season. That picture was taken this season and you see he needs to add more bulk to his frame. He has also said he needs more bulk

I am not trying to argue 40 times all I am saying is he is not an explosive athlete. He does not get up to full speed fast. He is not one of those players that is just going to out quick someone on the line and run past DB's in college. He is going to need bulk up to use his frame. At the line of scrimmage he will need to out muscle DB's. I cant wait for it to happen but that takes time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljiaojL5fM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1edj89ZVk8

Like Mike Williams at USCw a few years back?

[GATORAZ]

Like Mike Williams at USCw a few years back?

I am not sure if he can get to 230 like Mike did

[GATORAZ]

I am not trying to put Fulwood down when I say he is not an explosive football player. Just like I am not trying to put Kelvin Taylor down when I say he is not the fastest running back. These kids cant do everything. They do a lot well I think they are going to be excellent football players for the Gators. Saying someone is going to be like Alshon Jeffery who was one of the best WR's in the SEC when he played should seem like a compliment. And again I am not an "expert" just a man with an opinion.

[Dreamliner]

I understand and would be thrilled if Fulwood turned out to be as good as Jeffrey. By the same token, I don't look at a Robinson vid and think 'Wow! explosive!" and a Fulwood vid and think 'Very good, but not explosive.' They look about the same to me in that department.

[GATORAZ]

I understand and would be thrilled if Fulwood turned out to be as good as Jeffrey. By the same token, I don't look at a Robinson vid and think 'Wow! explosive!" and a Fulwood vid and think 'Very good, but not explosive.' They look about the same to me in that department.

That's not how I look at and its not that simple if you look at both vids and you think they are the same type of athlete I dont know what I can really say.

[Dreamliner]

Just watched the Robinson vid again and they're both running away from people. You're right, don't know what else to say.

[GATORAZ]

Just watched the Robinson vid again and they're both running away from people. You're right, don't know what else to say.

you really think they are the same type of football player but one is just 2 in taller?

They both should be running away from kids in high school they are D1 prospects.

[atlantagator86]

I don't think you can compare Jeffrey's college video to Fulwood's high school video to try to make comparisons about what kind of player they are.

I will say this for Fulwood, and many other top HS athlete videos. In HS, these guys, especially 6'4" WRs, are men among boys. I think that to some extent, they don't want to show people up too much and only play as hard as they have to. Fulwood doesn't look like he's giving it his all on most of those plays.

You can see him clearly kick it into gear on a few plays and he absolutely blows by people!

I have no idea if he'll ever be anywhere near as good as Jones or Alshon, but I think he's got all the tools to work with.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Fulwood is fast enough to be a good receiver in the SEC. I've heard people say "he's slow", so I decided to look at film on him. He runs away from people. Does he have things he can work on once he gets here? Every player does.

But Fulwood has the speed to get deep against SEC corners. He'll also probably get faster once he gets on campus. I think it's lazy to assume that he "lacks the necessary speed to be a deep threat" in Florida's offense simply because others have said so. Go back and look at the film on him.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

I don't think you can compare Jeffrey's college video to Fulwood's high school video to try to make comparisons about what kind of player they are.

I will say this for Fulwood, and many other top HS athlete videos. In HS, these guys, especially 6'4" WRs, are men among boys. I think that to some extent, they don't want to show people up too much and only play as hard as they have to. Fulwood doesn't look like he's giving it his all on most of those plays.

You can see him clearly kick it into gear on a few plays and he absolutely blows by people!

I have no idea if he'll ever be anywhere near as good as Jones or Alshon, but I think he's got all the tools to work with.

Exactly. That's why it's lazy to say he's not all that fast. You can't watch film of the kid, and then logically conclude that he's too slow.

[GatorCrazy11]

You'd think after a week, D Rob would've at least changed his Twitter avatar to something either neutral or pro-Clemson...I smell a signing day switcheroo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9-K0chCcAEpmek.jpg:large

[Dreamliner]

you really think they are the same type of football player but one is just 2 in taller?

They both should be running away from kids in high school they are D1 prospects.

All I'm saying is that, comparing the two videos, I just don't see 'explosive' vs. 'non-explosive.' Fulwood may not be your prototypical explosive athlete. On the other hand, I've already pointed out that Robinson's speed has been called into question.

[risktaker]

You'd think after a week, D Rob would've at least changed his Twitter avatar to something either neutral or pro-Clemson...I smell a signing day switcheroo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9-K0chCcAEpmek.jpg:large

Hmmm.... That IS odd. He has gone quiet so maybe we'll just get the good news as a surprise when he enrolls at UF. :-)

[g8r925]

Yep I noticed the twitter page as well, hope we get him back.

[GATORAZ]

Fulwood is fast enough to be a good receiver in the SEC. I've heard people say "he's slow", so I decided to look at film on him. He runs away from people. Does he have things he can work on once he gets here? Every player does.

But Fulwood has the speed to get deep against SEC corners. He'll also probably get faster once he gets on campus. I think it's lazy to assume that he "lacks the necessary speed to be a deep threat" in Florida's offense simply because others have said so. Go back and look at the film on him.



Fulwood is not slow he just doesn't get to top end speed as quickly as others. Two people can run a 4.5 very differently. One person can run a 4.5 getting up to full speed after there first thew steps another doesn't get up to full speed until 20 meters but once they are there there top end speed is faster than the persons who got up to full speed in there first few steps.

You also don't have to be a burner to be a deep threat. As noted earlier Alshon Jeffery was a deep threat in college but by no means was he some speed demon. Fulwood will be fine it will just take a little time. As CWM says "it isnt add water instant football player"

[Dreamliner]

Speed is such a fuzzy concept. Remember David Nelson ? Nobody confused him for a burner. And the whole time he was here he was cast as a possession receiver, rarely gaining more than ten yards per catch.

Then he goes and runs a sizzling 4.43, at the combine, and winds up an NFL starter. Where was that speed when he was here and why wasn't it better utilized ?

Then there's Deshawn Wynn. I think he ran a 4.4 at the combine. Where was that when he was here ?

[atlantagator86]

Fulwood will be fine it will just take a little time. As CWM says "it isnt add water instant football player"

Not sure I follow your logic here at all. What makes you think Fulwood is going to take more time to develop than other receivers??

Whether he doesn't start off the line quickly (as you suggest) or not, that's not likely to change dramatically over time.

In my opinion, Fulwood, because of the mismatch created by his height, is probably going to see the field pretty quickly, whether he's fast or not.

[GATORAZ]

Not sure I follow your logic here at all. What makes you think Fulwood is going to take more time to develop than other receivers??

Whether he doesn't start off the line quickly (as you suggest) or not, that's not likely to change dramatically over time.

In my opinion, Fulwood, because of the mismatch created by his height, is probably going to see the field pretty quickly, whether he's fast or not.

I think they will all take time. Of the ones we have committed Fulwood probably sees the field first. I don't expect much from any of them their freshmen year.

[Gatorbeck]

Fulwood is not slow he just doesn't get to top end speed as quickly as others. Two people can run a 4.5 very differently. One person can run a 4.5 getting up to full speed after there first thew steps another doesn't get up to full speed until 20 meters but once they are there there top end speed is faster than the persons who got up to full speed in there first few steps."

I think I would rather have explosiveness off the LOS than top end speed though. Top end speed is a little bit overrated, as I don't think it's on every play that top end speed is really necessary. Explosiveness is needed on every play however, and at every position.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper get paid a lot of money to make the game of football sound a lot more complicated than it really is, and it sounds like some are trying to do that with Fulwood. While all the terms like "top-end speed" and "explosive" and "burner" may make a person sound like they know what they're talking about, none of it really matters.

Fulwood looks like the kind of player who will change games. I have a feeling he'll be a monster at the next level. Say what you want about his speed, but he looks like he's got plenty of it on film. I don't think he'll be lights out from day one, but over time I think he'll become a very good receiver.

[GATORAZ]

Todd McShay and Mel Kiper get paid a lot of money to make the game of football sound a lot more complicated than it really is, and it sounds like some are trying to do that with Fulwood. While all the terms like "top-end speed" and "explosive" and "burner" may make a person sound like they know what they're talking about, none of it really matters.

Fulwood looks like the kind of player who will change games. I have a feeling he'll be a monster at the next level. Say what you want about his speed, but he looks like he's got plenty of it on film. I don't think he'll be lights out from day one, but over time I think he'll become a very good receiver.

I think you are talking about me so I will address it. How someone gets open does matter. That being said I think everybody agrees he has adequate speed and has the ability to become a game changer at the college level.

[VandyGator13]

AZ, I feel like you said that the dead period is different for players that are EE. Is CWM and company allowed to contact Robinson and try to get him back on board?

[G8RNTN]

I still think Robinson enrolls at UF. And one more............... :santa:

[Nicho]

I still think Robinson enrolls at UF. And one more............... :santa:

Perhaps one with the same first name? :santa:

[GATORAZ]

AZ, I feel like you said that the dead period is different for players that are EE. Is CWM and company allowed to contact Robinson and try to get him back on board?

I am not really sure what is different for the EE. I think you have to be admitted as an EE for the staff to be able to have some special privileges to talk to them but I am not sure what those privileges are.

That being said the staff can contact any prospect through twitter and facebook and tell them to call them so they are probably still in communication with Robinson. They wont give up until he is on Clemson's campus. I pretty positive the staff will visit Robinson in his hotel room at the Army All American game

[GATORAZ]

was looking for something this mourning and saw this...

They also said somethings on Starver I kind of agree with

http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1452182




Wide receiver Ahmad Fulwood fell outside the Rivals100 for the first time this recruiting cycle. Was his injury situation factored in here (he was hurt during the spring, had to sit out some of The Opening and then missed about four games as a senior)?

Farrell: Fulwood just hasn't shown any added explosiveness and that's what we were looking for. He's a big receiver and a good target who can use his body to shield off defenders, but his speed is not elite and other wide receivers have shown more of a jump from their junior to senior years.

Codrington: Fulwood has fallen because his senior wasn't as productive as his junior campaign. At The Opening he struggled catching the ball cleanly. He was double catching and trapping too much. He can pluck the ball and be a red zone mismatch, but he's not the fastest or most fluid. Gears down a little too much coming out of his breaks. He will need some refinement in that area when he gets to Gainesville. Joker Phillips should be able to develop his game.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

was looking for something this mourning and saw this...

They also said somethings on Starver I kind of agree with

http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1452182

Chad Simmons had this to say about Fulwood.


"Fulwood is an elite wide receiver. He has size you can't coach, he catches everything within his reach, he has deceptive speed, and he is someone who can really make big plays down the field. He can improve getting off the ball with quickness, his overall strength, and his down the field blocking. There are so many things to like about his game and he will be among the best in 2013. He is a very fluid receiver with size."

So, that's basically three sets of eyeballs evaluating his game, and each is entitled to his own opinion. I think the kid has plenty of burst. I'm not worried about his speed at all. I've seen his 40 time posted in the 4.4-range. That's not slow.

Btw, my last post in this thread wasn't really directed at anyone. We all tend to do that with prospects. I'm guilty of it too. Nobody knows how they'll pan out once they get here.

[sbcg8r]

Wow. Great compliments for Keanu Neal as well. I didnt know he had moved up to #81.

[GATORAZ]

Chad Simmons had this to say about Fulwood.


"Fulwood is an elite wide receiver. He has size you can't coach, he catches everything within his reach, he has deceptive speed, and he is someone who can really make big plays down the field. He can improve getting off the ball with quickness, his overall strength, and his down the field blocking. There are so many things to like about his game and he will be among the best in 2013. He is a very fluid receiver with size."

So, that's basically three sets of eyeballs evaluating his game, and each is entitled to his own opinion. I think the kid has plenty of burst. I'm not worried about his speed at all. I've seen his 40 time posted in the 4.4-range. That's not slow.

Btw, my last post in this thread wasn't really directed at anyone. We all tend to do that with prospects. I'm guilty of it too. Nobody knows how they'll pan out once they get here.

I would agree he has deceptive speed and he is fluid for his size I have said as much in this thread . He is not running past anybody in SEC on the line of scrimmage. I dont really care about peoples listed 40 times out of high school because most of them are BS. He is not explosive once a DB hits his shoulders to re route him he will slow and it will take him more time to get back up to speed. He needs that added bulk to fight through those things and out muscle DB's.

[GATORAZ]

Wow. Great compliments for Keanu Neal as well. I didnt know he had moved up to #81.

Neal is a special player you could see he could hit from his initial film the only thing you questioned is if he could cover he proved that in the summer in 7 vs 7. This incoming class will be something to watch on special teams

[LAGatorDoc]

Neal and Harris are my personal favorites in the class, both are going to be big time run stuffing safeties knocking the ball out and causing fumbles. We are definitely going to make most teams one dimensional on 2nd and 3rd downs!!

[dadx4]

I have a gut feeling that Robinson will end up in this class and I have a big gut.....lol

[Gator4Christ]

I have a gut feeling that Robinson will end up in this class and I have a big gut.....lol

Very good....

[GatorAvatar]

I have a gut feeling that Robinson will end up in this class and I have a big gut.....lol

This post is useless without photographic evidence :)

[Tebowism0823]

Oooohhhh, good one! ;)

It's the holidays, my minds somewhere else :)

[AndyGator]

^^ I don't know, I'll take Dad's word on it :sick:

[Tebowism0823]

Don't see how you can tell that he is not an explosive athlete from that vid. One thing I think you can tell is that he appears to be ALL of 6-4, maybe 6-5. He looks like a man among boys.

I agree. There's no way to tell. At this point, it's seems like he's trying to pass his opinion off as fact. Just because a receiver has D1 ability, if someone's faster he wouldn't outrun them.

[Tebowism0823]

you really think they are the same type of football player but one is just 2 in taller?

They both should be running away from kids in high school they are D1 prospects.

The latter isn't true. Speed and D1 ability are two different things. He can have all the skills in the world but if he's not fast he doesn't run away from players.

[GATORAZ]

The latter isn't true. Speed and D1 ability are two different things. He can have all the skills in the world but if he's not fast he doesn't run away from players.

Tebowism you actually think Fulwood is an explosive WR? Of course this is all opinion and in my opinion the kid is not explosive. It seems like some people in the "recruiting industry" agree but I guess we all could be wrong. Fulwood could be a 6'4 Percy Harvin at the college level. If you cant tell these things from watching tape why would everybody watch it and use it as the major factor in assessing high school football players?


Fast is relative term. Fulwood is going to Florida as a WR he better be able to run away from kids who will never play football at any level again.

Lets me reiterate I think the kid has a chance to be a big time football player at Florida each kids brings something different to the table. They cant do it all. Oh and I am not an "expert".

[Tebowism0823]

Tebowism you actually think Fulwood is an explosive WR? Of course this is all opinion and in my opinion the kid is not explosive. It seems like some people in the "recruiting industry" agree but I guess we all could be wrong. Fulwood could be a 6'4 Percy Harvin at the college level. If you cant tell these things from watching tape why would everybody watch it and use it as the major factor in assessing high school football players?

Fast is relative term. Fulwood is going to Florida as a WR he better be able to run away from kids who will never play football at any level again.

Lets me reiterate I think the kid has a chance to be a big time football player at Florida each kids brings something different to the table. They cant do it all.

I think you are confusing fast and explosive with acceleration and backend. He's fast enough to separate himself from tacklers after catching the ball. Whether or not his opponents are going to be playing D1 ball, if he's as slow or not as explosive as you're saying, at least one of the defenders should be able to run him down. He may not have take off speed but it looks like he has it in the backend and I'll take that with a 6'4 wr all day long. Randy moss doesn't come around very often.

Ps. I've never called or thought of you as an expert :)

[GATORAZ]

I think you are confusing fast and explosive with acceleration and backend. He's fast enough to separate himself from tacklers after catching the ball. Whether or not his opponents are going to be playing D1 ball, if he's as slow or not as explosive as you're saying, at least one of the defenders should be able to run him down. He may not have take off speed but it looks like he has it in the backend and I'll take that with a 6'4 wr all day long. Randy moss doesn't come around very often.

Ps. I've never called or thought you were an expert :)

I am not confusing the two he can separate after catching the ball he climbs to his speed not jumps to it. Once he gets going he can run. I am saying he is not explosive you can see that coming off the line and coming out of his cuts. And you are right Randy Moss is a one in a generation kind of player.

[StrangeGator]

Will gladly take Robinson if he decides to come back, but I will continue to be enthusiastic about Fullwood. Everybody has bad days at events and Ahmad probably has some rawness and technique issues. He definitely needs to add strength. I don't care what he did his senior year. He caught 42 passes for over 1100 yards and 22 TDs his junior year. That tells he what kind of potential he has. I also think his combine times are legit (4.47). He just hasn't converted that into football speed. Biggest thing, and I've said this in more than one post, Ahmad is an excellent student at one of the best private college prep schools in Florida. That says coachable. That says determination. That is the intangible quality that unites many of the best players, especially wide receivers, in UF history.

It won't be next year, and it might not even be his second year, but when Fulwood has learned his position skills and has developed in the weight room, he will be a very special player.

I don't think Robinson is coming to UF, but if he does, he will be on the field this fall. He's ready to go. That's as much as I'm going to say. I'm not in the business of gushing over players for other teams.

[GATORAZ]

Nice post Strange people should be excited about Fulwood he is a big time prospect and a great kid. I dont really worry about 40 times I worry about how fast they play play on the field o have a funny story I recently read though. Rivals guys ask this kid who was offered a scholly to Miami what his 40 time was he said "I run a 4.65 electronic 40" the Rivals guy then says "then you probably run a 4.5 40 hand timed" next time the kid checks the site it says he runs a 4.5.


I think we still have a shot at Demarcus remember the dead period is really not dead

[Gatorrick22]

Will gladly take Robinson if he decides to come back, but I will continue to be enthusiastic about Fullwood. Everybody has bad days at events and Ahmad probably has some rawness and technique issues. He definitely needs to add strength. I don't care what he did his senior year. He caught 42 passes for over 1100 yards and 22 TDs his junior year. That tells he what kind of potential he has. I also think his combine times are legit (4.47). He just hasn't converted that into football speed. Biggest thing, and I've said this in more than one post, Ahmad is an excellent student at one of the best private college prep schools in Florida. That says coachable. That says determination. That is the intangible quality that unites many of the best players, especially wide receivers, in UF history.

It won't be next year, and it might not even be his second year, but when Fulwood has learned his position skills and has developed in the weight room, he will be a very special player.

I don't think Robinson is coming to UF, but if he does, he will be on the field this fall. He's ready to go. That's as much as I'm going to say. I'm not in the business of gushing over players for other teams.





Great post StrangeGator. Repped.

[Tebowism0823]

Will gladly take Robinson if he decides to come back, but I will continue to be enthusiastic about Fullwood. Everybody has bad days at events and Ahmad probably has some rawness and technique issues. He definitely needs to add strength. I don't care what he did his senior year. He caught 42 passes for over 1100 yards and 22 TDs his junior year. That tells he what kind of potential he has. I also think his combine times are legit (4.47). He just hasn't converted that into football speed. Biggest thing, and I've said this in more than one post, Ahmad is an excellent student at one of the best private college prep schools in Florida. That says coachable. That says determination. That is the intangible quality that unites many of the best players, especially wide receivers, in UF history.

It won't be next year, and it might not even be his second year, but when Fulwood has learned his position skills and has developed in the weight room, he will be a very special player.

I don't think Robinson is coming to UF, but if he does, he will be on the field this fall. He's ready to go. That's as much as I'm going to say. I'm not in the business of gushing over players for other teams.

Not sure how I missed this strange but excellent post.

[Tebowism0823]

Nice post Strange people should be excited about Fulwood he is a big time prospect and a great kid. I dont really worry about 40 times I worry about how fast they play play on the field o have a funny story I recently read though. Rivals guys ask this kid who was offered a scholly to Miami what his 40 time was he said "I run a 4.65 electronic 40" the Rivals guy then says "then you probably run a 4.5 40 hand timed" next time the kid checks the site it says he runs a 4.5.

I think we still have a shot at Demarcus remember the dead period is really not dead

I agree. I still think we have an excellent shot with him. He wants to be a Gator!

[nortonis]

Demarcus is a high school senior. If he had no intention of coming to UF, he would have pulled that twitter pic immediately. I think he's till a Gator.

[Tebowism0823]

Demarcus is a high school senior. If he had no intention of coming to UF, he would have pulled that twitter pic immediately. I think he's till a Gator.

If I had to place money on it I believe he's a Gator.

[DieAGator]

If I had to place money on it I believe he's a Gator.

I dunno, I think he'd just commit.

[Nicho]

I dunno, I think he'd just commit.

A plausible explanation why he hasn't is that he doesn't want heat from his coach.

[GATORnGA31909]

I think he is still a gator as well

[revthejedi]

I'm encouraged by you guys' belief that DR will play for UF, but I have no clue why you feel that way. I do not expect him to decommit from Clemson again, I have a hard time believing a high school coach can intimidate a player to the point that he gives a commitment to a school he has no plans on attending. But what do I know.

[UFreak]

I'm encouraged by you guys' belief that DR will play for UF, but I have no clue why you feel that way. I do not expect him to decommit from Clemson again, I have a hard time believing a high school coach can intimidate a player to the point that he gives a commitment to a school he has no plans on attending. But what do I know.

No one on this board really knows. We are just hoping upon hope. I want him bad.

[GatorCrazy11]

All we can do is speculate upon minute indicators, a la his Twitter avatar still showing him in the Gator locker room.

[GatorCrazy11]

It's a stretch, namely because D-Rob isn't a frequent tweeter.

[Tebowism0823]

No one on this board really knows. We are just hoping upon hope. I want him bad.

You'd be surprised what some on this board actually do know.

[UFreak]

You'd be surprised what some on this board actually do know.

Such as?

[DieAGator]

You'd be surprised what some on this board actually do know.

I've been following this a long time and most on this board KNOW nothing.

[UFreak]

I've been following this a long time and most on this board KNOW nothing.

I agree. There have been a few through the years who have. And then some who from time to time have inside knowledge. But for the most part, it's all guessing

[Tebowism0823]

I've been following this a long time and most on this board KNOW nothing.

If you're referring to yourself I'd agree.

[Tebowism0823]

Such as?

You don't need details from me. I just think making a sweeping generalization like that is hard to do without knowing everybody here.

[UFreak]

You don't need details from me. I just think making a sweeping generalization like that is hard to do without knowing everybody here.

Well, I've been on this site since at least 1995. So I think I have a great sampling of time as an indicator to the reliability of the posters here. Some are still here. Many are new, but the general information has stayed about the same. So I guess what I'm saying is that I have a pretty strong idea of what to expect from the posters here in terms of insider reliability.

[Tebowism0823]

Well, I've been on this site since at least 1995. So I think I have a great sampling of time as an indicator to the reliability of the posters here. Some are still here. Many are new, but the general information has stayed about the same. So I guess what I'm saying is that I have a pretty strong idea of what to expect from the posters here in terms of insider reliability.

Oh I'm not questioning you as a poster or your tenure, but with all the turnover like you stated its hard to know who knows what. I agree for the most part it's a guessing game. I know of a few people here that have inside access but they don't make it known.

[UFreak]

Oh I'm not questioning you as a poster or your tenure, but with all the turnover like you stated its hard to know who knows what. I agree for the most part it's a guessing game. I know of a few people here that have inside access but they don't make it known.

Sure, sure. That's why I'm here. I really like this board and it keeps me informed. Let's just say that I temper my enthusiasm when I here "new news."

[Tebowism0823]

Sure, sure. That's why I'm here. I really like this board and it keeps me informed. Let's just say that I temper my enthusiasm when I here "new news."

Don't blame ya

[FloridaxGators1]

Saw this in 247 Sports

@AndrewSpiveyGC: Receiver Demarcus Robinson tells me that he is a uncommitted prospect at this time. He is still deciding between #Florida and #Clemson.

[VandyGator13]

Saw this in 247 Sports

@AndrewSpiveyGC: Receiver Demarcus Robinson tells me that he is a uncommitted prospect at this time. He is still deciding between #Florida and #Clemson.

Huge news if true.

[gator1986]

Saw this in 247 Sports

@AndrewSpiveyGC: Receiver Demarcus Robinson tells me that he is a uncommitted prospect at this time. He is still deciding between #Florida and #Clemson.

Huge! Lets hope it's true

[gatorr4life]

Pick a team and be done with it. Too late to be playing games with us.

[GATORAZ]

Pick a team and be done with it. Too late to be playing games with us.

I would rather still be in it than out of it

[GATORAZ]

Truth be told if Robinson announces he is a Gator Saturday I will cry tears of joy.

[UFFL]

Truth be told if Robinson announces he is a Gator Saturday I will cry tears of joy.

His announcement is Saturday? Also, if Collins chooses us, you will be crying a lot this offseason

[UFreak]

Pick a team and be done with it. Too late to be playing games with us.

I don't think he is playing games with us. I think he is having a hard time picking a school. Completely understandable.

[LAGatorDoc]

If we get Robinson, Daniel, Walker, and Adams, look out for 2014 NC... Not saying we can't get it without them, but... Our secondary and D line will be top 3 if not the best in the nation, with a solid linebacker core (still lack depth in the 3-4 at ILB, with an undersized Taylor and Hearns- not undersized-at one spot and Morrison and D. McMillan at the other spot). On offense, we will have a much improved and solid 2 deep on O line, our WRs will be solid with big play ability in Robinson, Fulwood, Bailey, and Pittman, and a senior Driskel at the helm with Jones, Taylor, and Lane pounding the ball down other teams throats. Special teams will Always be lights out. That's a recipe that spells disaster for other teams facing us. Now we have a chance in 2013 as well, so do I smell a dynasty here? Only time will tell.

[GATORAZ]

His announcement is Saturday? Also, if Collins chooses us, you will be crying a lot this offseason

he has an official to Arky on the 25th we might be done with recruiting by that time

[Gatorrick22]

If we get Robinson, Daniel, Walker, and Adams, look out for 2014 NC... Not saying we can't get it without them, but... Our secondary and D line will be top 3 if not the best in the nation, with a solid linebacker core (still lack depth in the 3-4 at ILB, with an undersized Taylor and Hearns- not undersized-at one spot and Morrison and D. McMillan at the other spot). On offense, we will have a much improved and solid 2 deep on O line, our WRs will be solid with big play ability in Robinson, Fulwood, Bailey, and Pittman, and a senior Driskel at the helm with Jones, Taylor, and Lane pounding the ball down other teams throats. Special teams will Always be lights out. That's a recipe that spells disaster for other teams facing us. Now we have a chance in 2013 as well, so do I smell a dynasty here? Only time will tell.

I expect us to be playing for the natty next year and 2014. Or, more accurately, in January of 2014 and 2015.

[StrangeGator]

Well, I've been on this site since at least 1995. So I think I have a great sampling of time as an indicator to the reliability of the posters here. Some are still here. Many are new, but the general information has stayed about the same. So I guess what I'm saying is that I have a pretty strong idea of what to expect from the posters here in terms of insider reliability.

Reliability of posters may have stayed the same, but the quality of intelligence has improved and the flakiness of recruits has increased, mostly due the aggressiveness of coaches going after committed prospects. The net effect is that there is more real news going on now than in 1995. I'd say that the drama has increased, which is exactly what Gator Country, Rivals, 247 and espn want to see.

There was a time when we didn't know anything until signing day. We just sat around the barbershop listening to whoever everyone thought was the expert. But we didn't know about nearly as many players. There is so much more time to waste now. The internet is such a great thing.

[Tebowism0823]

Truth be told if Robinson announces he is a Gator Saturday I will cry tears of joy.

There's no crying in football!!! No wait, that's baseball.....carry on.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Truth be told if Robinson announces he is a Gator Saturday I will cry tears of joy.

After the recent writeup Abolverdi put out, I can't see Robinson doing anything else. Unless he's a complete fruit loop, he will enroll at Florida. I'd say Walker is pretty close to flipping too.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

According to Mike Farrell Robinson isn't even committed to Clemson right now. I'd be shocked if he ends up at Clemson.

[Stlouie]

I would wait until he shows up on campus before you shed any tears

[woltes]

Robinson is a EE so when he decides on Saturday that will be it.

[Tebowism0823]

After the recent writeup Abolverdi put out, I can't see Robinson doing anything else. Unless he's a complete fruit loop, he will enroll at Florida. I'd say Walker is pretty close to flipping too.

Word on the street is Walker has already flipped.

[LimeyGator]

Word on the street is Walker has already flipped.

I just went outside and asked my next door neighbour. She says she "doesn't know anything" but I reckon she's a closet Mutt sympathiser so that all stacks up...

[GataBaitx3]

Truth be told if Robinson announces he is a Gator Saturday I will cry tears of joy.

Odd to hold an announcement if he's already "committed" to Clemson..

[gator1986]

Odd to hold an announcement if he's already "committed" to Clemson..

He's not committed he recently said he's an " un committed recruit"

[gator1986]

On rivals.com he actually says he loves the gators coaching staff, and after he committed he came back and Clemson coaches showed him their stats compared to floridas, and basically how bad Florida's passing offense is. So it was their coaches getting into his head, but he says he likes the pro style offense and he has great relationships with the gators staff, but likes Clemson's fast paced offense... I think Florida takes this one, he will announce at the Army game...