Hillary dodges the Congressional investigation on Benghazi... Again!

[DaveFla]

Since the other TWO threads on this were closed (because, evidently, we aren't allowed to discuss her appearance)...

Lets try this again, shall we?

What's with her excuses for not testifying? Didn't Obama promise the "most transparent administration in history" when he ran for president?

I know that Obama has proven that he can not be trusted at his word, but this one is REALLY suspect. Further, who could vote for a presidential candidate who is prone to faint when the going gets tough?

Until now, I had always said that Hillary made a better-than-average Secretary of State. This latest event does not bode well for her.

[rivergator]

from reuters:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who canceled an overseas trip last weekend because of illness, suffered a concussion after fainting due to dehydration, prompting the postponement of her scheduled congressional testimony on the attack on a U.S. mission in Libya, officials said on Saturday.

[cocodrilo]

If this most respected woman in America, and already elected successor to Obama, testified about Benghazi, she would simply say the same things she said when she testified about Whitewater or Travelgate or whichever it was in the cesspool of her husband's scandals (the one, I believe, in which she was named as an unindicted co-conspirator) (who can keep all the Clinton scandals straight?): "I don't know," "I don't remember," and "I wasn't there."

I just wanted to point this out before this thread is closed.

[Gatormb]

If this most respected woman in America, and already elected successor to Obama, testified about Benghazi, she would simply say the same things she said when she testified about Whitewater or Travelgate or whichever it was in the cesspool of her husband's scandals (the one, I believe, in which she was named as an unindicted co-conspirator) (who can keep all the Clinton scandals straight?): "I don't know," "I don't remember," and "I wasn't there."

I just wanted to point this out before this thread is closed.

We have until Hanna gets home from church. Post away.....quickly.:awkward:

[DaveFla]

from reuters:

Seems awfully convenient...

Now, I will bet, that she will claim that she lost all her short term memory, and doesn't remember a thing about Benghazi.

This all stinks to high heaven...

[rivergator]

Seems awfully convenient...

Now, I will bet, that she will claim that she lost all her short term memory, and doesn't remember a thing about Benghazi.

This all stinks to high heaven...

how much do you want to bet?

[northgagator]

Was it realistic for anyone to expect that Hillary would give a revealing testimony at a US Congressional Hearing?

Hillary and Obama have two strong bonds in common.
One, they are loyal party members .
Two, they have the goods on each other.

Hillary being a skillful and experienced lawyer and politician she knows how to duck and dodge any question that the best member of both Houses can offer. Also, don't forget she has the master of deceit (Bill Clinton) coaching her).

In the worst case scenario if Hillary ever was to testify and she slips up into perjury then Obama will issue a pardon. The best case scenario is that Hillary now has a green light to prep for 2016.

[cocodrilo]

I've seen at least two off-the-wall conspiracy theories about what happened at Benghazi. Neither seems credible, but at this point it seems like something far deeper than negligence is being covered up. I guess we'll never know what it is. It's almost like the JFK assassination: It's too dangerous to go there, even 50 years later. A lot of potential witnesses including several FBI officials suddenly died during the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation. I can't blame someone for simply fainting and having a concussion.

Petraeus conveniently had to resign from the CIA before he could testify. He testified anyway (he couldn't claim a concussion), but as I understand it his testimony clarified nothing at all. If anything it muddied the waters, and it's still mud today.

[cocodrilo]

It should be noted that Hillary does have a note from her doctor. The department issued a doctor's statement that she has a concussion. But how hard is it to fake it during a concussion test? For example, when the doctor asks, "What's your name?", Hillary could say, "Monica Lewinsky?"

[DaveFla]

how much do you want to bet?

I was being sarcastic, river... But I'm guessing that you already figured this out.

[gatorman_07732]

from reuters:

Oh, the old note from the doctor. And what was the last excuse? A trip to Australia

[JerseyGator01]

This is a first. Usually, others have "accidents" when they have something on the Clintons. Now Hillary is the one having the accident. Well at least it didn't involve a gun or plane.

CORRUPTION RULES!!!!!

[ncbullgator]

Hillary is connected to more lies than a teenager with acne.

I'll never forget the one about making 100k in futures by "reading the WSJ".

And all of those progressive intellectuals believe...

:whistle:

[G8trGr8t]

They are sending her subordinates to testify to reduce her exposure and risk of being caught lying under oath.

The censorship closing these threads is unwarranted.

[brainstorm]

If she was in the NFL she would have been back on the field the following week. So to speak.

[Gatormb]

Don't post any pictures and we might keep this one going.

[cocodrilo]

I've often heard about how smart the American people are. Then I look at things like the popularity of this gangster's moll and the likelihood that she will be elected president and wonder how smartness is supposed to be defined.

[chemgator]

If Hillary expects to be taken seriously as a nationally-known politician, she should either stop having concussions or re-schedule her meeting with Congress. She should know that the topic is important and even the appearance of trying to dodge the discussion makes her look like she has something to hide.

It will take a lot of work by the mainstream media to cover this up if she runs in 2016. It might make the Obama "whitewash" of 2008 look trivial in comparison. We can only hope the unwashed masses come to their senses.

[cocodrilo]

It will take a lot of work by the mainstream media to cover this up if she runs in 2016.

I don't see it being a problem at all. Among the main "news" channels I can't imagine anyone but FoxNews questioning this "concussion." Has anyone at Fox done so? I would think that you would be called a wacko on CNN (not to mention ABC, CBS, NBC) to question it. But I would be delighted to be wrong.

[brainstorm]

Yes, won't be a problem unless some information comes out that implicates her. Otherwise, a non-issue.

[chemgator]

There will be a level of mistrust towards a candidate who has fainting spells period. Much less one that has them at inopportune times that cause them to miss a Congressional grilling about something they might have done wrong. An opposing candidate wouldn't have to question whether Hillary faked the fainting--he would just have to question whether we want a president who, when the going gets tough, faints. And I can only imagine the crazy right-wing groups that would publicize it with video of fainting goats.

Hillary might have to pull up her memory of dodging gunfire in Serbia to deflect from that one.

[cocodrilo]

Her avoiding testimony would be a problem only if the mainstream news people were told by the people who own them to make it an issue. (Just like the Washington Post was used to get rid of Richard Nixon.) The fact that Hillary has arranged not to testify is a clear indication that she is in good stead with the powers that be and they will be perfectly happy with her becoming our first female president.

[vangator1]

I'm afraid I posted that picture. I think the mods wanted to spare as many as possible. Igive them props. :)

BTW, How many more can fall on their sword for Obama?

[boligator]

Lay off Hillary Dave...if you were half the woman she is then I'd listen to you...

[JohnC1908]

Another loss for America. I hope one day the citizens of this country wake up. I'd like to think we could do a little better.

[g8rjd]

Man, that Hillary...willing to fake a blood clot from her fake concussion.

[/sarcasm]

http://news.yahoo.com/secretary-state-clinton-hospitalized-blood-clot-spokesman-011207509.html

[northgagator]

Need to give her the benefit of a doubt.
I rather her follow doctors orders than have her risk her life.

[cocodrilo]

This is turning into a Monty Python movie. She will eventually be brought in to testify with no arms or legs.

[chemgator]

Man, that Hillary...willing to fake a blood clot from her fake concussion.

[/sarcasm]

http://news.yahoo.com/secretary-state-clinton-hospitalized-blood-clot-spokesman-011207509.html
You'd think the dems would just bring in the Lyme Disease doctor to make a final diagnosis on this one. Bringing in the blood clot doctor means that she's probably running for president in 2016 as the main standard bearer for the party. That's VIP treatment right there.

[g8rjd]

This is turning into a Monty Python movie. She will eventually be brought in to testify with no arms or legs.

"Come back! I'll bite your bloody kneecaps off!"

[wargunfan]

Hillary is running out the clock and will step down as SS in conjunction with the Obama inauguration on Jan. 20. She will then testify as a private citizen and cannot be compelled to answer any question she chooses to duck. No one has ever accused the Clintons of not being creative when it comes to covering their collective a$$es.
Hillary will have no problem with her lying and obfuscating when she runs for pres in 2016. The same folks who voted for Obama twice will line right up to vote to keep the special interests safe and the gravy train rolling.

[jdrgator]

This is turning into a Monty Python movie. She will eventually be brought in to testify with no arms or legs.

Tis but a scratch. :)

[g8rjd]

Hillary is running out the clock and will step down as SS in conjunction with the Obama inauguration on Jan. 20. She will then testify as a private citizen and cannot be compelled to answer any question she chooses to duck. No one has ever accused the Clintons of not being creative when it comes to covering their collective a$$es.
Hillary will have no problem with her lying and obfuscating when she runs for pres in 2016. The same folks who voted for Obama twice will line right up to vote to keep the special interests safe and the gravy train rolling.

Do you realize how absurd it sounds to accuse someone of faking a concussion and resulting blood clot that caused further hospitalization and anti-coagulant therapy?

And you think she's creative. Sheesh.

[gatorman_07732]

Do you realize how absurd it sounds to accuse someone of faking a concussion and resulting blood clot that caused further hospitalization and anti-coagulant therapy?

And you think she's creative. Sheesh.

Is it absurd to ask questions that everytime she is supposed to testify something else happens, or is this someone that is above any dubious excuses?

[g8orbill]

I believe what the hildabeast says about as far as I could throw her-she has not aged gracefully-the weight of all her lies and deceit must be taking a toll-she looks 80

we will never know the truth about what actually happened in Benghazi any more than we will find out the truth of how this attack went on for over 7 hours and the 47%ers president did zilch- oh wait, he went to bed he had a big travel day to Vegas the next day

[northgagator]

I believe what the hildabeast says about as far as I could throw her-she has not aged gracefully-the weight of all her lies and deceit must be taking a toll-she looks 80

we will never know the truth about what actually happened in Benghazi any more than we will find out the truth of how this attack went on for over 7 hours and the 47%ers president did zilch- oh wait, he went to bed he had a big travel day to Vegas the next day

For crying out loud Bill the man has a country to run. He cannot afford to have his campaign bundlers idle.

[g8rjd]

Is it absurd to ask questions that everytime she is supposed to testify something else happens, or is this someone that is above any dubious excuses?

Hmm...let's see how long it takes google to see whether "something else happens" "every time she is supposed to testify" before Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3B_jy0TQ0

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/298246-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEXX-NBcik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUk4lByjCZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e151DN5QMeA

http://live.wsj.com/video/clinton-talks-about-north-korea-nuclear-moratorium/3ED186D8-8BFF-4B95-93FB-59BD9D51940F.html#!3ED186D8-8BFF-4B95-93FB-59BD9D51940F

And, of course...

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/50897-1

Yep. Every time she's supposed to testify before Congress something else happens. She's clearly afraid of going in front of Congress, particularly on something controversial. :roll:

[g8orbill]

she cannot afford toalloow herself to be put under oath

[g8rjd]

I believe what the hildabeast says about as far as I could throw her-she has not aged gracefully-the weight of all her lies and deceit must be taking a toll-she looks 80

And there's bill to pull out the female double standard. Stay classy bill, stay classy.

[g8rjd]

she cannot afford toalloow herself to be put under oath

Yeah...like all the other times she's been under oath before Congress. :roll:

Any other Alan West regurgitation this morning bill?

[DaveFla]

She's going to end up like Vince Foster...

Particularly apropos, really.

[96Gatorcise]

it all goes back to whose team you are on. SMH

Bush I goes into hospital and Coco throws out some conspiracy theories and he is eaten alive by the right for tarnishing the man.

Clinton goes into hospital and the right are the first to throw out every conspiracy theory they can think of. If she dies I am sure the usual suspects will be jumping with joy.....

[cocodrilo]

First, if the Clintons can buy medical examiners (check out the Vince Foster autopsy), there is no reason why they can't buy doctors. (Foster suffered more than a blood clot, but the medical examiner couldn't do a thorough job because his x-ray machine "wasn't working.")

Second, the best theory I have seen about the Benghazi mess is that the "consulate" there was being used by Stevens and the CIA to recruit jihadists to fight in Syria. The government does not want this known (though nowadays I really don't know who would care), hence this otherwise mystifying cover-up of what happened. And Hillary is not about to perjure herself over this, so she'll lose those arms and legs if she has to.

[jdrgator]

She's going to end up like Vince Foster...

Particularly apropos, really.

Very classy dave. Keep up the good work, ace.

[247brother]

go away old broad

[AustinGator1]

Hillary as 'The Black Knight'?? I don't see it but judge for yourself. I do hope she gets better soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

[DaveFla]

Very classy dave. Keep up the good work, ace.

What? Did I hurt your feelings?

You play with fire, you're bound to get burned eventually.

[gatorman_07732]

Hmm...let's see how long it takes google to see whether "something else happens" "every time she is supposed to testify" before Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3B_jy0TQ0

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/298246-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEXX-NBcik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUk4lByjCZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e151DN5QMeA

http://live.wsj.com/video/clinton-talks-about-north-korea-nuclear-moratorium/3ED186D8-8BFF-4B95-93FB-59BD9D51940F.html#!3ED186D8-8BFF-4B95-93FB-59BD9D51940F

And, of course...

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/50897-1

Yep. Every time she's supposed to testify before Congress something else happens. She's clearly afraid of going in front of Congress, particularly on something controversial. :roll:

Does any of this have anything to do with Benghazi?

[Swampmaster]

bill and carville keep coming up with new "illnesses" to keep hillary from testifying about her benghazi disaster---keeping her "clean" for 2016

[g8rjd]

Does any of this have anything to do with Benghazi?

Did the post it responded to? No. Broad statement lead to broad responses.

[jimgata]

Did the doctor find the clot by feeling her head while she was at home or was she hospitalized and tests run?
Haqrd th believe she was being treated fo a concussion and she underwent no hospital tests .

[wargunfan]

Do you realize how absurd it sounds to accuse someone of faking a concussion and resulting blood clot that caused further hospitalization and anti-coagulant therapy?

And you think she's creative. Sheesh.

Read carefully and see if you can locate where I accused her of faking a concussion. I do question the slow playing of the concussion (the blood clot may or may not have been a result of the fall and was discovered later). I will be amazed if she testifies before she resigns as SS. I AM saying that it will be safer politically for her to testify as a private citizen. And I am saying that her testimony will have no effect on her presidential run in 2016.

[g8rjd]

Read carefully and see if you can locate where I accused her of faking a concussion. I do question the slow playing of the concussion (the blood clot may or may not have been a result of the fall and was discovered later). I will be amazed if she testifies before she resigns as SS. I AM saying that it will be safer politically for her to testify as a private citizen. And I am saying that her testimony will have no effect on her presidential run in 2016.

Yep. I read it carefully, like I did when I first posted. "Running out the clock" and "being creative" to cover her "collective ass" in a thread where the OP states that she is "dodging" Congress by not testifying is a reasonable implication that you were saying she was faking a concussion and blood clot in her brain.

If that's not what you intended, I apologize for reading what you wrote reasonably despite that you did not intend it that way.

[rajinGator]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-3X0x0HJkQzak_2Qe1emvrNAf53tX80snlawz2vIa4Enn_UQGLQ

[wargunfan]

Yep. I read it carefully, like I did when I first posted. "Running out the clock" and "being creative" to cover her "collective ass" in a thread where the OP states that she is "dodging" Congress by not testifying is a reasonable implication that you were saying she was faking a concussion and blood clot in her brain.

If that's not what you intended, I apologize for reading what you wrote reasonably despite that you did not intend it that way.

I have no doubt that Hillary had a concussion but let's see if she testifies before resigning. As a private citizen she can more easily get away with having a poor recollection of events or passing the buck to subordinates. As the SS she would be exposed to impeachment for lying to Congress (very bad politically). As a private citizen she can basically tell the committee to shove it. The slow play of the concussion is designed to run out the clock until she steps down as SS. Testifying after she becomes a private citizen is where the a$$ covering comes in. No fakery just slickery as in "slick Willie" her mentor. Comprendo?

[tampajack1]

I have no doubt that Hillary had a concussion but let's see if she testifies before resigning. As a private citizen she can more easily get away with having a poor recollection of events or passing the buck to subordinates. As the SS she would be exposed to impeachment for lying to Congress (very bad politically). As a private citizen she can basically tell the committee to shove it. The slow play of the concussion is designed to run out the clock until she steps down as SS. Testifying after she becomes a private citizen is where the a$$ covering comes in. No fakery just slickery as in "slick Willie" her mentor. Comprendo?

Althugh it is embarassing to make this confession, I will do so. I have 2 degrees from the University of Florida.

[jimgata]

The drs are saying the fall caused the blood clot, no tests were run and they found it a month later? Keep me away from that doctor.

[gatorman_07732]

Did the post it responded to? No. Broad statement lead to broad responses.

You apparently don't know what this thread is about. If you can please go back, read the title of the thread then post something that pertains to it and not broad sweeping statements about Hillary testifying in front of congress. This thread is not, and I repeat not about her never testifying in front of congress. This thread is strictly about Benghazi, so therefore it was not my responsibility to distinctly clarify it to that regard.

[g8rjd]

You apparently don't know what this thread is about. If you can please go back, read the title of the thread then post something that pertains to it and not broad sweeping statements about Hillary testifying in front of congress. This thread is not, and I repeat not about her never testifying in front of congress. This thread is strictly about Benghazi, so therefore it was not my responsibility to distinctly clarify it to that regard.

You mad bro?

To the contrary, there are a number of posts IN THIS THREAD about how Hillary is always afraid to be under oath and about how she "always" delays and avoids testimony. And if you also make broad statements then you can expect to lumped into that group. If you can't make your statements clear in what they refer to, broad responses are what you should expect.

[gatorman_07732]

You mad bro?

To the contrary, there are a number of posts IN THIS THREAD about how Hillary is always afraid to be under oath and about how she "always" delays and avoids testimony. And if you also make broad statements then you can expect to lumped into that group. If you can't make your statements clear in what they refer to, broad responses are what you should expect.

Not mad and no reason I should be, but rather pointing out your lame attempt to accuse me of something you did. Apparently you didn't go back and read the thread title. Unlike you, my post was within the context of the thread.

[g8rjd]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/clinton-face-lawmakers-benghazi-attack-090039480--politics.html

Hilary Clinton testifying about Bengahzi? How can this be???

[gatorman_07732]

Because she said she would?

[Swampmaster]

hillary will lay low for a year---then she gets with Bill and carville and starts the 2016 campaign in full force.

[cocodrilo]

hillary will lay low for a year---then she gets with Bill and carville and starts the 2016 campaign in full force.

The most popular woman in the observable universe? Why will she need to campaign? All she will have to do is get her name on the ballots and show up at the convention. (That's assuming Bill behaves himself, and he's starting to look too old and feeble to rape anybody.)

[108]

these threads always make me shake my head and wonder what the 9/11 aftermath would have looked like if it happened under a Democrat's watch

would have been a real ugly scene

one of the idiots questioning Clinton just compared it to 9/11 :cry:

[jmoliver]

And one idiot just compared it to weapons of mass destruction. I guess in Washington two wrongs really do make a right.

[gatorman_07732]

these threads always make me shake my head and wonder what the 9/11 aftermath would have looked like if it happened under a Democrat's watch

would have been a real ugly scene

one of the idiots questioning Clinton just compared it to 9/11 :cry:

I guess you don't remember her crucifying people in hearings when she was a Senator huh? This this can have a tendency of coming back at you

[cocodrilo]

Has she said, "I don't know," "I don't remember," or "I wasn't there" yet?

[rivergator]

Handles herself pretty well, I think:

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPal5FfBaaE)

[gatorman_07732]

Handles herself pretty well, I think:

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nPal5FfBaaE#!)

You obviously:

A) Didn't listen or
B) In denial

She did not handle herself well with emotional outburst and crying. In other words, she was pleading for as much emotional support she could get.

[g8orbill]

handles herself well-my ass

she wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face-the pubs lack the gonies to push this and once again liberals allow America to get chit upon in the foriegn world

these POS's cannot go away soon enough for me

[rivergator]

handles herself well-my ass

she wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face-the pubs lack the gonies to push this and once again liberals allow America to get chit upon in the foriegn world

these POS's cannot go away soon enough for me

Push what? Why someone soon after that there was a protest? That's the vital issue here?

[fredsanford]

handles herself well-my ass

she wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face-the pubs lack the gonies to push this and once again liberals allow America to get chit upon in the foriegn world

these POS's cannot go away soon enough for me

You are going to hate her inauguration in 2017.

[HALLGATOR]

Hillary might be a lot of things but she's no dummy. I always thought she was the smartest one of the two in the marriage.

[gatormoe1]

You are going to hate her inauguration in 2017.

Hillary is not winning any Presidency.

[fredsanford]

Hillary is not winning any Presidency.

Hillary! Landslide! Book it!

[rivergator]

Hillary is not winning any Presidency.

i don't think so either

[boligator]

There is so much HATE on this board it is palpable...how would all of you "chickenhawks" have handled it...weak...

[g8orbill]

There is so much HATE on this board it is palpable...how would all of you "chickenhawks" have handled it...weak...

#1- there is no way I could know this attack was going on for over 7 hours and not have sent help

#2- I would tell the truth bout what happened and I would have done so the day it all went down

#3- I would not have covered for an inept Prez- I would gave told the truth and challenged anyone who lied about what went on- including the Prez

[gatorman_07732]

Sorry but she has not been a good Secretary of State

[fredsanford]

Sorry but she has not been a good Secretary of State

She's been great.

Hillary! Landslide! Book it!

[The_Graygator]

Dodged?

She outright lied through her teeth by backtracking about what she claimed was the cause of the Benghazi attack, just like Obama did, and of course, the LMSM will never delve into these lies, or Obama's with any sort of serious scrutiny... much like they ignored it for nearly two months before the election to protect their socialist "king".

Just imagine if this had been a Republican administratioin that had done this. The LMSM would have utterly destroyed them without mercy with a 24/7 assault blitz on them.

[RealDeal]

i don't think so either

that's what everyone said about barack both times---with bill and james carville working all the angles and raising tons of money, she will be tough to beat.

[gatorman_07732]

She's been great.

Hillary! Landslide! Book it!

Really, so name the middle eastern countries that are better off since she has been SOS?

[DaveFla]

She is a better Secretary of State than Obama is as president, but that's not really saying all that much.

[g8orbill]

You are going to hate her inauguration in 2017.

shab-I didn;t watch your prez the other day and won't watch her should she win

[fredsanford]

shab-I didn;t watch your prez the other day and won't watch her should she win

I think you're secretly attracted to her!

[g8orbill]

I wouldn't do her with your johnson

[northgagator]

You are going to hate her inauguration in 2017.

Are you so sure that Obama is going to give up the Oval Office

[RayGator]

As much as I could I did watch the various coverages of this Senate Hearing on TV today. Now, I don't know why I was somewhat optimistic that we would finally get some answers about this horrible tragedy. I should have realized we wouldn't. First it was pretty much a love fest by the Democrats for Hillary and on the other side, with a a couple of exceptions, it was a milquetoast exam by Republicans.

Usually in the private sector when a higher-up screws up and says "I take full responsibility", it is often followed by the person resigning their position. More often than not this does not happen in the government sector. Several weeks ago Hillary said, "I take full responsibility". At that time to follow through, she should have resigned. But of course she didn't. And since then she has said that several times and again before the Senate Hearing today. Empty words.

[rivergator]

As much as I could I did watch the various coverages of this Senate Hearing on TV today. Now, I don't know why I was somewhat optimistic that we would finally get some answers about this horrible tragedy. I should have realized we wouldn't. First it was pretty much a love fest by the Democrats for Hillary and on the other side, with a a couple of exceptions, it was a milquetoast exam by Republicans.

Usually in the private sector when a higher-up screws up and says "I take full responsibility", it is often followed by the person resigning their position. More often than not this does not happen in the government sector. Several weeks ago Hillary said, "I take full responsibility". At that time to follow through, she should have resigned. But of course she didn't. And since then she has said that several times and again before the Senate Hearing today. Empty words.

the answers to what questions?

[wargunfan]

I knew we wouldn't get any straight answers from HRC. We lost four good men because she didn't take proper precautions when it was obvious to any thinking person that an attack was likely. The honorable thing to do would have been to resign. But then, when has honor meant anything to the Clintons?

[wargunfan]

the answers to what questions?
Why were our diplomats in Muslim countries (especially Libya) left unprotected; especially on the anniversary of 9/11.

What do you think she is taking full responsibility for if not that?

[oragator1]

I knew we wouldn't get any straight answers from HRC. We lost four good men because she didn't take proper precautions when it was obvious to any thinking person that an attack was likely. The honorable thing to do would have been to resign. But then, when has honor meant anything to the Clintons?

Fran Townsend made a great point today on CNN, they had the wrong people at the hearing. While Hillary should have and did take ultimate responsibility, the decisions that led to this outcome were mostly made one level below her(she listed the positions but I don't remember them). So the front line folks got canned, Hillary is there taking the heat, but the people truly responsible haven't had any accountability or external pressure.
Today was for political theater, nothing more.

[cocodrilo]

the answers to what questions?

What was the president doing during the 7 hours our people were under attack?

I heard McCain ask the question, but then he didn't let her answer. It was just part of a speech he directed at her when it was his turn to give a speech. Did anyone else ask it, and let her answer?

[rajinGator]

Didn't watch much of it, but a couple of Conservatives on O'Reilly tonight thought the Pubs stunk it up pretty good today, which didn't surprise me since I believe the people in congress who are suppose to more closely represent my views are mostly wimps with little moral convictions, cower to negative public perception when remotely threatened and are mostly concerned with re-election.

[cocodrilo]

Anyone who would state, as she did, that the question of who perpetrated the attack, demonstrators or terrorists, doesn't make any difference, has no business being secretary of state. The closest parallel I can think of to such asininity is the statement in the 9/11 Commission Report that the question of who financed the 9/11 attacks is "not significant."

[HALLGATOR]

..... are mostly wimps with little moral convictions, cower to negative public perception when remotely threatened and are mostly concerned with re-election.

Wouldn't that aptly describe Congress in general?

[rajinGator]

Wouldn't that aptly describe Congress in general?

Yes, although the Dems seem to have more resolve in their core ideology, which is apparently only growing with the voters. .

[wargunfan]

Didn't watch much of it, but a couple of Conservatives on O'Reilly tonight thought the Pubs stunk it up pretty good today, which didn't surprise me since I believe the people in congress who are suppose to more closely represent my views are mostly wimps with little moral convictions, cower to negative public perception when remotely threatened and are mostly concerned with re-election.

This is why Congress has an approval rating just south of leprosy. And they have earned it.

[JohnC1908]

America is getting what they asked for and most of us are okay with deceit it appears. As long as we kept electing the same ole same ole they'll keep doing it. There are no consequences, what a job. Republicans would do the same thing BTW.

[G8trGr8t]

This is why Congress has an approval rating just south of leprosy. And they have earned it.

And yet the idiot electorate keeps sending them back

[northgagator]

This is why Congress has an approval rating just south of leprosy. And they have earned it.

+1

[rivergator]

This is why Congress has an approval rating just south of leprosy. And they have earned it.

I think it is a perfect example. Rather than talking about what really matters, the GOP congressman focuses on nothing more than why someone said there had been a protest. As if that's the single most important about this entire episode.
It's not about truth, it's not about solutions, it's about partisan fingerpointing. And, yes, Democrats are guilty of the exact same thing.

[MichiGator2002]

Imagine, inquiring after the reason behind a false statement that, by definition, represented either gross ignorance or intentional deception by the executive branch there represented by the Secretary. You would almost think it was a Congressional hearing.

[rivergator]

Imagine, inquiring after the reason behind a false statement that, by definition, represented either gross ignorance or intentional deception by the executive branch there represented by the Secretary. You would almost think it was a Congressional hearing.

it's pretty clear that in the first few days after the incident that we didn't know exactly everything that had happened. Is that really surprising? And could only be the result of "gross ignorance" by our intelligence professionals or Obama deciding to lie to the American people?

[108]

Didn't watch much of it, but a couple of Conservatives on O'Reilly tonight thought the Pubs stunk it up pretty good today, which didn't surprise me since I believe the people in congress who are suppose to more closely represent my views are mostly wimps with little moral convictions, cower to negative public perception when remotely threatened and are mostly concerned with re-election.

and this shows what it has been all about for Congressional Republicans

Political Theater, and hoping to hurt the president

if they were the slightest bit genuine, i could respect their inquiry

[gatorman_07732]

and this shows what it has been all about for Congressional Republicans

Political Theater, and hoping to hurt the president

if they were the slightest bit genuine, i could respect their inquiry

I doubt you would ever respect their inquiry on anything

[MichiGator2002]

it's pretty clear that in the first few days after the incident that we didn't know exactly everything that had happened. Is that really surprising? And could only be the result of "gross ignorance" by our intelligence professionals or Obama deciding to lie to the American people?

A few days of protest blame and a couple weeks of video blame... both factually false. So arriving at or persisting in either claim by its nature means the government was too incompetent to know better or just disregarded its inaccuracy. Congress is within its rights to figure out which and why.

[cocodrilo]

This country is in good hands.

[Gatoragman]

The reason this matters is this right before an election and they did everything in their power to cover so it wouldn't effect Obama's reelection bid. If you can't at least admit that and that is worth knowing you are nothing but a partisan. History generally repeats itself so in order to help prevent these same kind of incidents in future these questions must be asked and answered

[The_Graygator]

shab-I didn;t watch your prez the other day and won't watch her should she win

Amazing isn't it?

The libs know what Obama and Hillary are, and don;t care. It's only about their party and their socialist welfare state.

[Row6]

After a decade of war and lost lives in the thousands - most of them a direct result of the policies advocated by those screaming the loudest - it is amazing to find the focus narrowed to the loss of 4 in an operation which was a wild success and with minimal total loss. A few facts:

1 We/they didn't know what had occurred in the immediate aftermath.

2 We shouldn't expect the detailed "truth" when investigation and pursuit are ongoing.

3 There was no real time video of the event.

4 Except for those trying to catch them, who cares whether it was all or partly motivated by a film or advanced planning.

[Dreamliner]

Hillary might be a lot of things but she's no dummy. I always thought she was the smartest one of the two in the marriage.

She's certainly much better-spoken than Obama. Watching them side-by-side has been illuminating. You'd think she was the president.

But on this particular count, she did come off a bit as the whiny, needy teenage girl.

[MichiGator2002]

After a decade of war and lost lives in the thousands - most of them a direct result of the policies advocated by those screaming the loudest - it is amazing to find the focus narrowed to the loss of 4 in an operation which was a wild success and with minimal total loss. A few facts:

1 We/they didn't know what had occurred in the immediate aftermath.

2 We shouldn't expect the detailed "truth" when investigation and pursuit are ongoing.

3 There was no real time video of the event.

4 Except for those trying to catch them, who cares whether it was all or partly motivated by a film or advanced planning.

An non-military "operation" that's only demonstrable success came as a result of two men disobeying direct orders who were subsequently killed and to which the circumstances of their death was attributed to wildly inaccurate facts like protests and videos. A fiasco, in other words. As "operations" go, something in the "Black Hawk Down"/Bay of Pigs model of competence and responsiveness.

No, makes no sense that it would draw any unique attention.

[gatorman_07732]

She's certainly much better-spoken than Obama. Watching them side-by-side has been illuminating. You'd think she was the president.

But on this particular count, she did come off a bit as the whiny, needy teenage girl.

She came across as an emotional wreck yesterday

[Row6]

An non-military "operation" that's only demonstrable success came as a result of two men disobeying direct orders who were subsequently killed and to which the circumstances of their death was attributed to wildly inaccurate facts like protests and videos. A fiasco, in other words. As "operations" go, something in the "Black Hawk Down"/Bay of Pigs model of competence and responsiveness.

No, makes no sense that it would draw any unique attention.

The operation was the liberation of Libya, in which so far 4 Americans died and which resulted in a people and government that overwhelmingly love America, and are exceedingly grateful to us. No doubt there were hundreds (maybe thousands) of separate incidents during the Iraq war - which eliminated Iran's main rival in the region - which might have triggered congressional investigations about who's fault it was and if we really knew the truth. I'm sure the mental masturbation would be equally gratifying for some as was yesterdays show.

[MichiGator2002]

The operation was the liberation of Libya, in which so far 4 Americans died and which resulted in a people and government that overwhelmingly love America, and are exceedingly grateful to us. No doubt there were hundreds (maybe thousands) of separate incidents during the Iraq war - which eliminated Iran's main rival in the region - which might have triggered congressional investigations about who's fault it was and if we really knew the truth. I'm sure the mental masturbation would be equally gratifying for some as was yesterdays show.

Wait, you mean the long since completed more than a year earlier thing? Well, help, let's all keep this in mind if we have a state department run facility in South Korea, those guys were just part of the successful operation there.

Look -- a situation went completely to hell and Americans died and you are simply being childish if you seriously think Congress inquiring is inappropriate. Hillary certainly sounded like a moral and intellectual infant with her "what difference does it make" bleating.

[rivergator]

Can we conclude now that the entire media has a rightwing bias?

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/hillary-clinton-nypost-e1359038580272.jpg

[gatorman_07732]

Can we conclude now that the entire media has a rightwing bias?

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/hillary-clinton-nypost-e1359038580272.jpg

The NY Post has always leaned right and they might be one out of three major right leaning papers

[rivergator]

Meanwhile, while Johnson is complaining about not being told anything, Kerry points out that there was a briefing where all the intelligence was explained. Johnson, who has been grandstanding during this hearing, didn't bother to attend, of course.

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjFbidRibI)

[DaveFla]

Meanwhile, while Johnson is complaining about not being told anything, Kerry points out that there was a briefing where all the intelligence was explained. Johnson, who has been grandstanding during this hearing, didn't bother to attend, of course.

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjFbidRibI)


Just WHO does this guy think he is? Obama?

[MichiGator2002]

Meanwhile, while Johnson is complaining about not being told anything, Kerry points out that there was a briefing where all the intelligence was explained. Johnson, who has been grandstanding during this hearing, didn't bother to attend, of course.

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjFbidRibI)

Just to be clear, was this that briefing timed intentionally for a period when it is well known and anticipated that almost nobody is in town and was declared a one shot deal, or some other briefing?

There is really just no bottom, is there? Always more down, always a lower place.

[gatorman_07732]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fG6XNIwBaY

Spot on

[gatorman_07732]

After a decade of war and lost lives in the thousands - most of them a direct result of the policies advocated by those screaming the loudest - it is amazing to find the focus narrowed to the loss of 4 in an operation which was a wild success and with minimal total loss. A few facts:

1 We/they didn't know what had occurred in the immediate aftermath.

2 We shouldn't expect the detailed "truth" when investigation and pursuit are ongoing.

3 There was no real time video of the event.

4 Except for those trying to catch them, who cares whether it was all or partly motivated by a film or advanced planning.

Hillary Clinton is a bald face liar and has a history of lying for men

[rivergator]

Apparently the 'real time video' is a creation of Fox.

[wargunfan]

What does "Accepting Responsibility" mean? In the case of Hillary Clinton it is nothing more than empty words. When she stood by Obama as the caskets of dead Americans came home she should have been thinking "What could I have done to prevent this?"
As usual the only thing the Senate Democrats could do is warble about her accomplishments. Politics as usual.

[gatorman_07732]

Apparently the 'real time video' is a creation of Fox.

:)

Legislators saw a "real-time film (showing) exactly what happened" on September 11 in Benghazi, starting before the attack began up "through the incident and the exodus," said Feinstein. A source familiar with the House committee hearing said the video included shots of Stevens being dragged out of the building. Sen. Dan Coats, an Indiana Republican, described the footage as "a combination of video from a surveillance camera and a drone."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/15/politics/benghazi-hearings/index.html

[northgagator]

Apparently the 'real time video' is a creation of Fox.

If that is true then please explain how CNN got into the act
Washington (CNN) - Thanks to testimony and "real-time" video, lawmakers said they got their clearest picture yet Thursday of the deadly attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya, though questions and tensions remain as to how President Barack Obama's administration handled the matter.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/15/politics/benghazi-hearings/index.html

[rivergator]

If that is true then please explain how CNN got into the act

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/15/politics/benghazi-hearings/index.html

Yes, a video of it arrived in DC weeks later, as Clinton said. What Fox created and what the GOP senator asked Clinton today was about whether officials in Washington DC watched the attack unfold on a monitor as it happened. That didn't happen, despite how many times Hannity said it did.

[G8trGr8t]

Yes, a video of it arrived in DC weeks later, as Clinton said. What Fox created and what the GOP senator asked Clinton today was about whether officials in Washington DC watched the attack unfold on a monitor as it happened. That didn't happen, despite how many times Hannity said it did.

The drone feed was real time but please keep drinking the koolaid and ignoring the facts
0 had to get to Vegas so no time to be involved while embassy is being attacked and ambassador killed

[gatorman_07732]

Yes, a video of it arrived in DC weeks later, as Clinton said. What Fox created and what the GOP senator asked Clinton today was about whether officials in Washington DC watched the attack unfold on a monitor as it happened. That didn't happen, despite how many times Hannity said it did.

You are just filled with excuses

[rivergator]

The drone feed was real time but please keep drinking the koolaid and ignoring the facts
0 had to get to Vegas so no time to be involved while embassy is being attacked and ambassador killed

you're still claiming that back in DC, officials were watching the attack in real time? as it happened?
what are you basing that on?

[jimgata]

I doubt the administration even knew it was happening until a day or so later when they heard it on tv.

[gatorman_07732]

you're still claiming that back in DC, officials were watching the attack in real time? as it happened?
what are you basing that on?

Wow, if there is a drone obtaining real-time video don't you think someone is one the other end watching? Of course there were gov officials watching it in real time and you would have to be naive to think otherwise.

[fredsanford]

It's amusing how the same people that would like to barbecue Hillary or Obama in oil over Benghazi give Bush and his crew a total free pass over the cluster f*** that was Iraq.

[northgagator]

The Executive Office holds our military commissioned officers to what can be considered the world's highest standards for responsibility and accountability. One mis step by the lowest ranked enlisted man on lowest deck of a super carrier can result in the early retirement of the carrier's captain.

No one squawks about that kind of accountability and responsibility. Yet a lot of the posters on this board want to turn a blind eye to the lack of accountability and responsibility for the Executive Office and it's Cabinet officers.

The US Department of State has a very crucial and a high profile international mission. This mission requires the same accountability and responsibility as that is placed on our military. There is no room for do overs in State Department business. Especially in Libya a country that just got out of a civil war, is unstable, and has known AQ/Terrorist activity.

It is very evident that the US State Department allowed the Ambassador to be in harms way with out adequate security and with the knowledge that the situation was dangerous. The US State Department was more than negligent in not recognizing the risk, not having a contingency plan (considering the available resources), and for looking like the Keystone Cops as this tragedy unfolded and played out for the next month or two.

Today I read in the news that the scape goats identified by the heads of the US State Department are still on the payroll. The official line on this item is that policy/procedure protects the jobs of these people. Up to a point I am OK with that excuse. What ticks me off is that the jobs of these middle level people are better protected than the lives of the four people who were killed in Benghazi.

This week Hillary Clinton gave us a glimpse of what we have seen from Obama during the last four years and what we will see in 2017 if she is elected President. The glimpse is the lack of accountability and responsibility in form of lack of consequences and shifting of the blame into others.

What we saw in Benghazi this past September was a preview of what we are going to see for the next four years. A lot of people laughed at Mitt Romney when he said that we need to keep an eye on Mali. They also ignored the CBS correspondent who said that AG was still a force to be dealt with. Well because of Obama's myopic view of the world and the lowering of the bar in expectations for accountability and responsibility there is military action in Mali and 80 plus dead in an Algerian oil/gas facility. Also, it is now being report that the arms used in Mali and in Algeria came from Libya. To make matters worst some of the attackers in Algeria were at the Benghazi raid.

Bottom line is no matter how you spin it that Benghazi was a major cluster f#%k with an adverse domino effect. Hillary Clinton and her immediate subordinates are not fit to serve this country another day.

If Obama continues his current style of leadership we will see more incidents like Benghazi, Mali, and Algeria. We will also see it in our own homeland.

[OaktownGator]

Wow, if there is a drone obtaining real-time video don't you think someone is one the other end watching? Of course there were gov officials watching it in real time and you would have to be naive to think otherwise.
IDK... how many video feeds does our govt have globally at any given time?

Is somebody watching all of them real time? Perhaps.

Who watches the feeds and how/when those feeds get escalated to actionable levels and finally the White House level is something that bares questioning if we really want to know what happened here. Although I doubt a straight answer would be given as that could compromise national security if an enemy knows we have monitors but also knows we aren't likely to do anything with them based on published protocols.

[jimgata]

If Hillary runs for president and is elected, at least we will be used to incompetency.

[G8trGr8t]

you're still claiming that back in DC, officials were watching the attack in real time? as it happened?
what are you basing that on?

Satellites and drones.

[rivergator]

Satellites and drones.

That's your evidence? 'Uh, satellites and drones."
in other words, you don't have a clue if a live video was available.

[G8trGr8t]

if the drone is there, there is an operator sitting at the controls with visual feed from the drone. The drone was dispatched to the site because of the attack. The drone feed was live and available for viewing for those interested in knowing what was happenign while our ambassador was being killed. If O and company were playing tiddlywinks and not monitoring the situation, that is a real problem. You really refuse to believe the obvious and any evidence that disputes your opinion. good soldier you are...facts are meaningless to you and unless you were in the room with them, you refuse to believe the level of incompetence and attempt at ongoing coverup demonstrated by this adminastration so we will agree to disagree. Not sure that if you were sitting in the room holding hildabeasts hand that you would admit that it really happened.

[gatorman_07732]

Right, and nobody was on the backend watching what traspired in real-time

White House Responds to Release of Real-Time Emails About Benghazi Attack

The White House this morning attempted to down-play the significance of emails sent to top national security officials during the attack on the diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, one of which suggested a known terrorist group claimed credit for the attack in its immediate aftermath.

As obtained by ABC News’ John Parkinson and posted last night, the emails seem to be ones sent by the State Department Operations Center to distribution lists and email accounts for the top national security officials at the State Department, Pentagon, the FBI, the White House Situation Room and the office of the Director of National Intelligence.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/white-house-responds-to-release-of-real-time-emails-about-benghazi-attack/

[rivergator]

Right, and nobody was on the backend watching what traspired in real-time





http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/white-house-responds-to-release-of-real-time-emails-about-benghazi-attack/

you know those are talking about emails, not live video, right?

[Dreamliner]

Funny, thinking back about how conservative friends of mine were so spooked about Hillary becoming prez, and were relieved that Obama got the dem nomination.

Now, they lament that a president Hillary would probably have been less bad.

[gatorman_07732]

you know those are talking about emails, not live video, right?

And how exactly do you think they knew what was going on in real-time?

[gatorman_07732]

Guess this can't be true

Retired Lt. Col.: My Sources Say Obama Was in the Room Watching Benghazi Attack Happen

Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/28/retired-lt-col-my-sources-say-obama-was-in-the-room-watching-benghazi-attack-happen/

[rivergator]

Guess this can't be true





http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/28/retired-lt-col-my-sources-say-obama-was-in-the-room-watching-benghazi-attack-happen/


So, if it happened, why would the only evidence be some guy going on Fox and saying "my sources say ...."

[gatorman_07732]

So, if it happened, why would the only evidence be some guy going on Fox and saying "my sources say ...."

Why would a Retired Lt. Col release his sources? You don't see that as being against his best interest? Is it your point that he lied and actually had no source?

[cocodrilo]

Reminds me of George W. Bush watching the first plane hit the WTC as it happened. (That was from Bush himself, not from some other source, who would know better than to say it.)

[gatorman_07732]

Reminds me of George W. Bush watching the first plane hit the WTC as it happened. (That was from Bush himself, not from some other source, who would know better than to say it.)

.

[rivergator]

Why would a Retired Lt. Col release his sources? You don't see that as being against his best interest? Is it your point that he lied and actually had no source?

I don't have a clue and neither do you. He's a guy on Fox with "sources."

[gatorman_07732]

I don't have a clue and neither do you. He's a guy on Fox with "sources."

That ranks right up there with nah nah nah nah nah

[rivergator]

That ranks right up there with nah nah nah nah nah

You know for absolutely certain it's true?

[cocodrilo]

If Obama was in the room watching as it happened, I would like to have been a fly on his face to hear what he said.

[Dreamliner]

She came across as an emotional wreck yesterday

That's what I just said.

[gatorman_07732]

You know for absolutely certain it's true?

I believe him at his word yes.

[Swampmaster]

if you are a liberal democrat, are you automatically compelled to defend hillary, even though her office was clearly negligent in the benghazi disaster.

[cocodrilo]

This is rich. People still debating about where Obama was during the attack. Why didn't one of those senators or reps "grilling" Hillary ask her? I didn't listen to it all, but have heard that they failed, despite all their posturing, to ask tough questions, such as where Obama was. (I heard McCain ask the question, but incredibly he didn't want her to answer, he just wanted to give a BS speech.) This leads me to believe that Hillary is just as feared today as she was when she was First Lady, helping cover up murders, rapes, and bombings. It's not nice to fool with a gangster's moll. What I still don't understand is why the Clintons let Obama beat her. It's my suspicion that they were told to do so. Hillary will get her turn.

[jimgata]

I don't think Hillary knew it was happening as she said she didn't have enough info to make a comment on it, so I doubt she had a clue where Obama was.
The only comment I heard from her was that she took responsibility, which is a long way from saying she was responsible. She also told the father of the ambassador, they would arrest the maker of the film that caused it.

[Dreamliner]

My new bumper sticker:

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT: BECAUSE WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE ?

[JohnC1908]

My new bumper sticker:

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT: BECAUSE WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE ?

A fifth term?

[Jaggator]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk032313dAPR20130323054513.jpg

[cocodrilo]

One of the first things that the new "change you can believe in" president did was to choose Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state. I don't recall a single commentator asking how this represented some kind of change. These liars, hypocrites, and crooks (known also as the ruling elite) just do what the hell they want to. Hillary was absolutely right when she said, "What difference does it make?"