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gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:11 AM
Absolutely ridiculously called game for Arizona. That team IS NOT better than Florida.

ih8danoles
12-16-2012, 12:12 AM
The final minute in particular was blatantly obvious.

ufhomerj31
12-16-2012, 12:12 AM
The refs sucked but we lost the game

tommyvee
12-16-2012, 12:12 AM
We dominated the game. I feel good about this team.

HumpGator
12-16-2012, 12:13 AM
We win that game by 8 points with neutral refs.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:13 AM
Its a good thing one game doesn't matter in basketball.

I guarantee you we are ranked higher, have a higher seed and go further in the tournament than this Arizona team. Most overrated hack job in the top 10.

lean_gator
12-16-2012, 12:13 AM
We gotta learn how to inbound the damn ball before we start blaming the refs.

BigIgator25
12-16-2012, 12:13 AM
I had to laugh at the end of the game...as soon as Boyton missed the free throw I knew it was over for us. Arizona was kept in the game by the officials all night, but our guys blew it at the end. Rosario as well as he played for the first 25 minutes or so was just freaking awful at the end. On a neutral court we would beat down Arizona, hopefully their would be no home cooking like tonight.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
We gotta learn how to inbound the damn ball before we start blaming the refs.

It shouldnt have been that close. The refs called this game EXTREMELY favorable for Arizona, any one with eyes could see that.

Swampmaster
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
terrible defense late, can't inbound the ball twice, miss game winning free throw---loss

allhailmeyer
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
Terrible calls and no calls, but Boynton has to hit the front end of that 1 and 1, and we have to get a better shot than we did with 7 seconds left

LeesGator
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
We went on the road, zona got all the calls, zona got fortunate, yet we only lose by 1. We've got a good team. Unfortunately for zona the refs won't bail them out every night.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
It doesn't matter who you think is better.

This team gave a clinic on how to lose a game in the last minute. They should learn from this.

I'd much rather have this experience in December, than during the third week in March.

number1
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
21 to 8

Free throw attempts

We saw our players getting mugged late in the game with no calls and Rosario got laid out on the last play and still no call.

Danielmaddie
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
We gotta learn how to inbound the damn ball before we start blaming the refs.

+1

BengermanV
12-16-2012, 12:15 AM
What a damn joke. Never seen such one sided officiating in my life.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:15 AM
21 to 8

Free throw attempts

We saw our players getting mugged late in the game with no calls and Rosario got laid out on the last play and still no call.

THIS!

bakaduin
12-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Rosario got destroyed on the last play. Its one thing to not call slight contact at the end but geeze! You have to call that. It was like that all night.

mjbuf05
12-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Maybe we should learn to inbound the basketball before we worry about officiating. Having a sr make a clutch ft would be nice as well.

born2beagator
12-16-2012, 12:16 AM
The refs sucked but we lost the game

No, we didn't. They took it form us.

21 free throws to 8, and football defense.

Arizona was handed this game. Downright crooked

tommyvee
12-16-2012, 12:16 AM
It was a tough environment and our guys played well. I think the coaches kind of tightened up a bit by not playing Frazier and Prather more. We will be fine. Tough loss for sure.

chargator
12-16-2012, 12:17 AM
I'm having Butler flashbacks. If u don't understand how difficult it is to in bound a ball when u r being held...give it a break with the crappy
, negative, comments.

ufhomerj31
12-16-2012, 12:18 AM
No, we didn't. They took it form us.

21 free throws to 8, and football defense.

Arizona was handed this game. Downright crooked

the refs didn't make the inbound turn overs

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:18 AM
That Arizona team might not even be ranked by seasons end. Honestly, they aren't any good. We should have beaten them by 15 at least.

born2beagator
12-16-2012, 12:18 AM
the refs didn't make the inbound turn overs

2 plays in the whole game. It never should have been close at that point. Refs were THE reason Arizona won.

dalwood13
12-16-2012, 12:19 AM
Officiating wasn't perfect but we blew that one big time. Terrible turnovers in the final minute, missing the front end of a one and one, not cutting off the driving lane on that final shot and absolutely awful execution on our final possession.

Lessons learned. Experience gained. Move on and get better.

BLING
12-16-2012, 12:19 AM
21 to 8

Free throw attempts

We saw our players getting mugged late in the game with no calls and Rosario got laid out on the last play and still no call.

That happens all the time late in games. Don't blame the refs. How many times do you see a scramble play in the last 5 seconds bailed out by a foul? Almost never. Blame our inability to do a simple inbound play. There were other issues of course (missed FT in 1 and 1, 1 bad shot selection). But that crap happens. Not being able to inbound the ball was the real issue - 2 turnovers on your own baseline when you are up 4 points is what gave Arizona the lead - just complete those inbounds plays and AT LEAST you get more FT attempts. We didn't even give ourselves a chance to ice the game.

Now were our guys "mugged" on the inbounds plays? Maybe. But you still gotta do better than we did, get the ball inbounds and MAKE the refs make the call. The guys inbounding the ball were too "feeble" with their inbounds pass, and the players making cuts didn't do a good enough job to either sell the contact (for a foul) or to just fight through it.

number1
12-16-2012, 12:19 AM
I'm having Butler flashbacks. If u don't understand how difficult it is to in bound a ball when u r being held...give it a break with the crappy
, negative, comments.

Exactly.

mjbuf05
12-16-2012, 12:19 AM
We didn't drive enough to make them call fouls on them. It was a horribly called game but we are up by 6 with the ball and we forget how to inbound a pass. Not what you expect from an experienced team. Gave that one away

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:21 AM
Thats not an excuse though, if the refs call this game fair we are up by at the very least 10-15 points. Sure we had two messed up played but that shouldn't be the reason we lost. Arizona is the most overrated team in the country right now, I guarantee you that much.

gatorev12
12-16-2012, 12:21 AM
I'm proud of our guys for dominating 99% of this game in a tough venue on the road against a top 10 team.

As someone else said, I'd much rather have this game in December rather than March--but it still leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth considering how blatantly biased the officials were throughout this game. That doesn't excuse our errors by any means--but it totally wiped away our defensive advantage from the first half. In the second half, we had to back off playing aggressive defense because they'd call a foul every time we did while letting them get away with anything they wanted to on the other end. Simply disgraceful.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 12:21 AM
Now were our guys "mugged" on the inbounds plays? Maybe. But you still gotta do better than we did.

It was abysmal.

An achilles heel that has been exposed early in the season, with an opportunity to work on getting better in that department.

I would rather have this happen now.

BengermanV
12-16-2012, 12:21 AM
I'd be happy to see what our UK posters thought about the game, as well as our Arizona poster. To me, I know we should have won this game despite some bad calls and we didn't do that. That's what is disappointing.

bzak24
12-16-2012, 12:22 AM
I can't remember the last time the gators lost in Bball or football, and there wasn't a " refs suck" thread. C'mon guys, both teams played well, AZ was clutch, we weren't. Great game to watch. We are a good team

mjbuf05
12-16-2012, 12:22 AM
The fouls were pretty even number wise, they had more ft's because of taking it inside more.

gator07
12-16-2012, 12:23 AM
I can't remember the last time the gators lost in Bball or football, and there wasn't a " refs suck" thread. C'mon guys, both teams played well, AZ was clutch, we weren't. Great game to watch. We are a good team

LoL seriously. Never fails. Give it a rest.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:23 AM
I can't remember the last time the gators lost in Bball or football, and there wasn't a " refs suck" thread. C'mon guys, both teams played well, AZ was clutch, we weren't. Great game to watch. We are a good team

21-8 free throw attempts. Spin that anyway you like.

statesborogator
12-16-2012, 12:23 AM
You are nuts if you don't think the refs aided in this loss.

gatornib
12-16-2012, 12:24 AM
Wow. I can't remember the last time I've been this angry about a Florida basketball game. They can't inbounds the ball, time and time again in the last minute. And we had a timeout that we could have used. Unbelievable. When I was in junior high school, we had these things called inbounds plays. In fact, I think we had four of them. And most of them had these things calls picks. You could get guys wide open with these pick thingeys.

Terrible coaching. Terrible playing. Wooden candidate missing a critical freethrow. I understand that Billy wants to toughen these guys up, but I really don't get how this seasoned team loses the game like that. If you're trying to toughen up your team, then play Frazier II.

Fortunately, this isn't college football. The regular season doesn't really matter. But this game is the difference between a #1 and a #2 or #3 seed. The refs didn't help out, but our guys didn't have a clue in the last 2.5 minutes of the game. We don't deserve a #1 seed. Period.

gatorfansrule
12-16-2012, 12:24 AM
We lost this game (turnovers, missed first free throw of 1 and 1, Boynton taking bad 3's early in the clock under 2.5 minutes remaining)....the refs kept Arizona in it.

number1
12-16-2012, 12:25 AM
I would rather have all this happen to #8 Arizona than to happen at Georgia or something. So just work out the issues and move on. We knew we were going to lose a game at some point.

BigIgator25
12-16-2012, 12:26 AM
Bling there wasnt a scramble for the ball, Rosario tried to go around Hill and Hill mugged him..after that there was a scramble for the ball. But it shouldnt have come to that, we turned it over too much at the end. The refs were terrible granted, but we still should have won period.

AzCatFan
12-16-2012, 12:26 AM
Florida moved the ball well and shot very well. That accounts for some of the free throw disparity. Arizona drove more than Florida. Then, in the last minute, UF got sloppy. Teams that press don't often like to be pressed themselves. And UF couldn't handle it.

A lot of great teams have left McKale blaming the refs. And Arizona did get a few home calls--as any team that plays in front of a great home crowd gets. Visiting teams have to fight through it.

As for both teams, Florida is better. The Gators are a Final Four contender. Arizona is a Sweet Sixteen team, and will need some luck/help to go farther.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 12:27 AM
Fortunately, this isn't college football. The regular season doesn't really matter. But this game is the difference between a #1 and a #2 or #3 seed. The refs didn't help out, but our guys didn't have a clue in the last 2.5 minutes of the game. We don't deserve a #1 seed. Period.

It's a little early to worry about seeding. I know ESPN has their projections out during the middle of the football season, but really....

This is an elite 8 team that has a chance to make the final four. This team is not the #1 team in the country and I'm thankful we will not be overrated this early in the season.

number1
12-16-2012, 12:27 AM
Wow. I can't remember the last time I've been this angry about a Florida basketball game. They can't inbounds the ball, time and time again in the last minute. And we had a timeout that we could have used. Unbelievable. When I was in junior high school, we had these things called inbounds plays. In fact, I think we had four of them. And most of them had these things calls picks. You could get guys wide open with these pick thingeys.

Terrible coaching. Terrible playing. Wooden candidate missing a critical freethrow. I understand that Billy wants to toughen these guys up, but I really don't get how this seasoned team loses the game like that. If you're trying to toughen up your team, then play Frazier II.

Fortunately, this isn't college football. The regular season doesn't really matter. But this game is the difference between a #1 and a #2 or #3 seed. The refs didn't help out, but our guys didn't have a clue in the last 2.5 minutes of the game. We don't deserve a #1 seed. Period.

Calm down. lol. It was our first loss of the season and came after a long break. It is not like the team was going to go undefeated we were going to drop a game or 2 at some point.

LeesGator
12-16-2012, 12:28 AM
The fouls were pretty even number wise, they had more ft's because of taking it inside more.

Zona's entire offense was the 3 point line and free throws. Give zona credit for making most of them. I believe they were 18 for 21. I really didn't have a problem with the 2nd half calls, but in the first half the game was being called differently on each offensive end and that helped to keep zona in it.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:28 AM
I think you got more than a few home team call AzCat, other than that its good you post honestly.

don23lucia
12-16-2012, 12:28 AM
They should have never been that close. Wish Pat would have tried to block that last shot.

Gatorhead5
12-16-2012, 12:28 AM
Can't score an point at the end when it matters, everything the other team throws up goes in. Might as well have had Walker handling the ball at the end with the bad shot selection and myriad turnovers/bad decisions.

BengermanV
12-16-2012, 12:29 AM
Florida moved the ball well and shot very well. That accounts for some of the free throw disparity. Arizona drove more than Florida. Then, in the last minute, UF got sloppy. Teams that press don't often like to be pressed themselves. And UF couldn't handle it.

A lot of great teams have left McKale blaming the refs. And Arizona did get a few home calls--as any team that plays in front of a great home crowd gets. Visiting teams have to fight through it.

As for both teams, Florida is better. The Gators are a Final Four contender. Arizona is a Sweet Sixteen team, and will need some luck/help to go farther.

This was sort of my impression as well, but it still sucks. There were four or five home cooking calls that really stirred me the wrong way. That no call when Rosario was tackled and then the Tech on Yeguete for not breaking his back were among the worst calls I've seen in the last five years.

don23lucia
12-16-2012, 12:29 AM
Maybe we should learn to inbound the basketball before we worry about officiating. Having a sr make a clutch ft would be nice as well.

This

ufhomerj31
12-16-2012, 12:30 AM
Just chugged a beer. Feel better.
Its a long season folks, lets gear up for k state and correct our inbound issues.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 12:31 AM
Look at the bright side, noone is blaming the little guy for this loss. :grin:

ufhomerj31
12-16-2012, 12:32 AM
How turnovers did they have in the 2nd half. We had about 10?

Jonas
12-16-2012, 12:32 AM
How about the last play of the half that should have been a kick ball, but instead turns into 2 points for Arizona. You could argue right there was the difference in the game.

LeesGator
12-16-2012, 12:33 AM
Florida moved the ball well and shot very well. That accounts for some of the free throw disparity. Arizona drove more than Florida. Then, in the last minute, UF got sloppy. Teams that press don't often like to be pressed themselves. And UF couldn't handle it.

A lot of great teams have left McKale blaming the refs. And Arizona did get a few home calls--as any team that plays in front of a great home crowd gets. Visiting teams have to fight through it.

As for both teams, Florida is better. The Gators are a Final Four contender. Arizona is a Sweet Sixteen team, and will need some luck/help to go farther.

Zona is a good team. The only challenge I see for them will be nights when the 3's aren't falling, but they are solid. Hell, they could have easily beat us last year.

mjbuf05
12-16-2012, 12:35 AM
It isnt like we were gonna go unbeaten. The SEC is hot garbage this year so we should be fine.

TheRaid
12-16-2012, 12:36 AM
What a damn joke. Never seen such one sided officiating in my life.

Haven't see many Gator games have you.

phideltdj
12-16-2012, 12:37 AM
It felt like we were playing Duke at Cameron with that officiating...

BengermanV
12-16-2012, 12:38 AM
Haven't see many Gator games have you.

Been watching since I was born (so 21 years worth). The Butler game is one that sticks out to me, but other than that, which games equated to this?

born2beagator
12-16-2012, 12:40 AM
Been watching since I was born (so 21 years worth). The Butler game is one that sticks out to me, but other than that, which games equated to this?

Yup. from early in the 2nd half I felt like I was watching a rerun. Refs kill every one of our runs and then when we still have a shot to win, we choke.

TheRaid
12-16-2012, 12:42 AM
Been watching since I was born (so 21 years worth). The Butler game is one that sticks out to me, but other than that, which games equated to this?

This was poorly officiated, but it was not scandalous. There were only a few blatant issues. There have been so many that were worse.

1984Gator
12-16-2012, 12:46 AM
The 8 point run to end the 1st half, Yeguete hanging on the rim, 7 points in the last 8 minutes and an amzing inability to inbound the ball in the last minute led to a 90% foul shooter choaking away the game. The inability to inbound at the end did us in!

TheSchmidt
12-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Scottie also clearly got all ball on the foul where they hit 1/2 FT and cut it to 64-63. College refs are the worst.

NBA refs get ragged on a lot, but the difference is night and day.

TheRaid
12-16-2012, 12:47 AM
Officiating is not why we lost. They did prevent us from blowing them out. We did not take advantage of the open paint most of the night. Young should have had a field day. We cannot even inbound a pass. We gave it away like Nevada did on the football field. We did not let our guards handle the ball at critical moments at the top of the key and got turnovers. We did not get KB loosened up in the first half. we should have killed AZ and we are far better.

gatordavisl
12-16-2012, 12:47 AM
the refs didn't make the inbound turn overs True, but they stood by when Rosario was tripped late in the first half. They called a foul on Wilbekin when he got an all ball strip late in the first half (a play that could have ended the game). They neglected to call the end of game tackle of Rosario. They called fouls on us that they didn't call against an Arizona team that played just as aggressively on defense. What was the FT disparity? 21-8? Yep, we made some inbound boners, but the refs bailed Zona out to the extent of winning the game.

BengermanV
12-16-2012, 12:48 AM
This was poorly officiated, but it was not scandalous. There were only a few blatant issues. There have been so many that were worse.

Maybe so, but am I not allowed to spew hyperbole after a tough loss ;)

HALLGATOR
12-16-2012, 12:49 AM
Bottom line is we could have won the game in spite of poor officiating just by taking care of the ball better. And that wasn't just at the end of the game since we had too many TOs before that. Had we played this game at home we would have beat them by double digits I believe.

bzak24
12-16-2012, 12:51 AM
21-8 free throw attempts. Spin that anyway you like.

Their best big fouled out in 10 minutes of action, the overall # of fouls was about the same, they drove to the hoop ALOT more than we did. 21-8 is a lazy crutch, look deeper into the game. im not one to blame refs ever. Do you REALLY think they have a vandetta for UF? That theyll go home to thier kids and wives tonight, and feel personally responsible for helping AZ win? C'mon. It's so cliche to blame the refs. im not saying there wasnt a few questionable calls, but is there ever a game without some? How's that for a spin?

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 12:54 AM
Their best big fouled out in 10 minutes of action, the overall # of fouls was about the same, they drove to the hoop ALOT more than we did. 21-8 is a lazy crutch, look deeper into the game. im not one to blame refs ever. Do you REALLY think they have a vandetta for UF? That theyll go home to thier kids and wives tonight, and feel personally responsible for helping AZ win? C'mon. It's so cliche to blame the refs. im not saying there wasnt a few questionable calls, but is there ever a game without some? How's that for a spin?

A "few" questionable calls? Wow... just wow.

statesborogator
12-16-2012, 12:56 AM
You can say the overall fouls where close because they fouled us 3 times in the last minute to make it look closer. If you don't think the refs aided them you are nuts. We were terrible in the last minute but give me a break. It shouldn't have come down to that.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 12:58 AM
A "few" questionable calls? Wow... just wow.

Not any more or any less than you would expect at Rupp.

Look, I get where you're coming from, but we did more than enough to lose this game with our terrible play in the last minute. I sure hope (and I know) that Billy is not blaming the refs when he talks to the team and tells them where they made mistakes.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 01:03 AM
Not any more or any less than you would expect at Rupp.

Look, I get where you're coming from, but we did more than enough to lose this game with our terrible play in the last minute. I sure hope (and I know) that Billy is not blaming the refs when he talks to the team and tells them where they made mistakes.

I get that, and anyone can see that clearly we "lost" the game when it was close at the end for stupid mistakes.. The point is, it should have NEVER been that close to begin with. We should have been up by 15, walking down the court with the ball while the clock hit 0's. The refs kept them in this game, we are at least 15 points better than them and thats just at their home. We are 20 pts or more better than them at home.

RepubliGator84
12-16-2012, 01:06 AM
This team gave a clinic on how to lose a game in the last minute

Couldn't have said it any better.

This is a good team that'll bounce back

gatordavisl
12-16-2012, 01:06 AM
Officiating is not why we lost. They did prevent us from blowing them out.
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Gator40
12-16-2012, 01:08 AM
I get that, and anyone can see that clearly we "lost" the game when it was close at the end for stupid mistakes.. The point is, it should have NEVER been that close to begin with. We should have been up by 15, walking down the court with the ball while the clock hit 0's. The refs kept them in this game, we are at least 15 points better than them and thats just at their home. We are 20 pts or more better than them at home.

You are right, but most of the times the ones who say it's never the refs fault or the refs didn't matter are the ones saying our players suck, BillyD sucks, or they choked, or BillyD choked. They are the ones who hate on the team and coaches constantly when UF loses.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 01:08 AM
Like I said before, I know that Billy is not telling them that the refs beat them and they played as well as they could and the game was stolen from them.

Thank God for that.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 01:09 AM
You are right, but most of the times the ones who say it's never the refs fault or the refs didn't matter are the ones saying our players suck, BillyD sucks, or they choked, or BillyD choked. They are the ones who hate on the team and coaches constantly when UF loses.

I really like this team. However, I see where we have issues. I want to see us get better. Blaming the refs doesn't help you do that.

gatormoe1
12-16-2012, 01:11 AM
Like I said before, I know that Billy is not telling them that the refs beat them and they played as well as they could and the game was stolen from them.

Thank God for that.

Well of course not but I wish he would fine himself by dropping at least one ref mention in the PC, which I know he wont. I know if I were him, I'd be writing a few checks after that game and having a call with Slive about not calling out clearly biased refs. He's a millionaire, might as well cut a check to get your point across.

You're right though, you never want to tell your players the refs lost, you need to tell them how to fix the mistakes they caused.

Gator40
12-16-2012, 01:13 AM
I really like this team. However, I see where we have issues. I want to see us get better. Blaming the refs doesn't help you do that.

Oh, you are right, but people are on here saying players choked and should sit or BillyD choked. It's one extreme or the other.

That is why I said the refs went with the flow of the crowd (and it is usually like that at opposing courts), but we weren't composed down the stretch.

TampaGatorFan
12-16-2012, 01:15 AM
Folks, as far as I'm concerned, we won that game by 8 to 10 points.

Arizona got world class home cookin'. The game shouldn't have even been close at the end.

We're still a FF team.

tommyuf21
12-16-2012, 01:19 AM
Folks, as far as I'm concerned, we won that game by 8 to 10 points.

Arizona got world class home cookin'. The game shouldn't have even been close at the end.

We're still a FF team.

We have a ways to go before I book tickets to Atlanta. I think we have plenty of room for improve, especially executing our offense.

WESGATORS
12-16-2012, 02:22 AM
We dominated the game. I feel good about this team.

I agree with this. This loss won't hurt us in the least. We have flaws to work on, and we played well in a tough environment.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

allig8ralli
12-16-2012, 02:50 AM
with all the adversity on the court we only lost by 1 on a made circus shot. clean up the mistakes a bit (refs), this game is a blow out.

iam4uf
12-16-2012, 03:16 AM
Officials should be required to have a press conference after each game where they explain their calls, just like coaches do. There's no accountability for refs, they can call a game as one-sided as this & have to answer to no one.

gatorev12
12-16-2012, 03:32 AM
A lot of great teams have left McKale blaming the refs. And Arizona did get a few home calls--as any team that plays in front of a great home crowd gets. Visiting teams have to fight through it.


I respect your post and your objectivity. Takes a lot of class and integrity to be so honest.

One point of contention though: the refs aren't supposed to pile on the adversity for the visiting team or to pander to a home crowd--that isn't their job. Their jobs are to monitor the game and ensure fair play. Frankly, its a credit to the coaches and the players to maintain their composure and their cool in the face of such blatantly unprofessional conduct by the people who are supposed to be paid professionals.

TheSchmidt
12-16-2012, 03:38 AM
I like reading reading what opposing fans say after the game, and Arizona thinks they came terrible officiating to win that game. They missed a few travels on us and a Rosario push of, but other than that, I don't recall Florida getting any favorable calls.

Funny stuff.

busigator96
12-16-2012, 06:53 AM
This was a good loss and it will sting for a while. The guys will learn a great deal from the waning seconds.

UFG8rGuy3283
12-16-2012, 07:14 AM
Here's a question? Why is it that in almost every game that comes down to the last second, refs put the whistles away and "let them play". A blind man could see the AZ defender put a knee out to send Mike flying. He may not make his FTs, but I have always found this strange? A foul should be a foul regardless and it makes no sense to me. Not just for this game but almost every other? Thoughts? Why is last possession different when it comes to fouls?

themistocles
12-16-2012, 09:15 AM
It was a tough environment and our guys played well. I think the coaches kind of tightened up a bit by not playing Frazier and Prather more. We will be fine. Tough loss for sure.

Yes, without a doubt.

AzCatFan
12-16-2012, 09:22 AM
I respect your post and your objectivity. Takes a lot of class and integrity to be so honest.

One point of contention though: the refs aren't supposed to pile on the adversity for the visiting team or to pander to a home crowd--that isn't their job. Their jobs are to monitor the game and ensure fair play. Frankly, its a credit to the coaches and the players to maintain their composure and their cool in the face of such blatantly unprofessional conduct by the people who are supposed to be paid professionals.

Referees are human. And even the best make mistakes, get caught up in the moment, and are swayed by 14,000 fans. Seen it many times in McKale, just as UK fans have seen in Rupp, Duke fans in Cameron, etc...

philnotfil
12-16-2012, 09:28 AM
From Article 3 of the NCAA rulebook, regarding technical fouls:
c. (Men) CLASS A and CLASS B technical fouls. A CLASS A technical
foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct or behavior by a player, substitute,
coach or bench personnel. A CLASS B technical foul is an infraction of
the rules that neither involves contact with an opponent nor causes contact
with an opponent and falls below the limit of an unsportsmanlike act.
Examples of CLASS A and CLASS B technical fouls shall include:
1. Unsportsmanlike conduct; using profanity, vulgarity, taunting, baiting
(CLASS A);
2. Hanging on the ring, except when doing so to prevent an injury
(CLASS B).

rounds
12-16-2012, 10:04 AM
Maybe we should learn to inbound the basketball before we worry about officiating. Having a sr make a clutch ft would be nice as well.

The LOSS in a nutshell. 6 point lead--poof...
Won't be the last road loss if we can't fix the inbounds pass problem.
Good teams play through questionable officiating. Basketball officiating is a different animal as MANY, MANY calls can legitimatly go either way, e.g. block/charge, jump ball, body foul, hand or wrist and on & on...

REM08
12-16-2012, 10:11 AM
I didn't think the refs were good, and favored the wildcats, but not by nearly as much as many of you are suggesting. There was one more call against UF than against Zona. I'm guessing Zona fouled 2 or 3 times trying to catch up. Also worth pointing out the Zona's fouls meant they lost their best interior player for the crunch-time part of the game. I don't think, and have consistently not thought this, that the Gators play a style that lends itself as well to drawing foul shots as some other teams do. I think there were missed calls both ways and were actually two times I remember the announcers suggesting Florida got the benefit of a no-call. BUT, overall I'm in agreement that the passionate home court got the advantage - just not by some absolutely obscene, unheard of margin.

I definitely agree that Florida is the better team. With those same refs, you guys beat them on their home court more times than not. This is despite the fact that you guys were MUCH hotter from 3 (10 of 18) compared with their 7 of 20. It took two utter meltdowns, one at the end of each half, for them to have a chance.

I'm also in favor of moving Boynton off the point for the same reason I'm in favor of him not playing 40 minutes. It takes a physical toll on him and affects his shooting. Let Wilkebin's finger heal and move him back to point. Move Kenny back off the ball and keep him fresher. I don't think he's done a bad job at the point, but doesn't exactly look like one of those point guards that gets the ball up the floor with ease against pressure. He was pounding it so hard against Zona I wouldn't doubt there being indentations left on the playing surface.

Thats my take at least. The game really doesn't mean much. If you guys take care of business you're still in position for a 1 seed. I know many of you are currently freaking out about what a weak SEC means for your seed - well stop freaking out. If the SEC is really that weak (which it looks to be), Florida will cut through it with ease and land a 1 seed. Keep in mind, when your goal is a final four, the region you end up in matters more than your specific seed IMO. You guys were a 7 seed last year but, again IMO, had a more manageable road to the final four than several 1 and 2 seeds ended up with.

phideltdj
12-16-2012, 10:32 AM
Actually, the big guy having limited minutes and fouling out helped AZ because his replacement is better...he made a couple of huge baskets down the stretch for them when the shot clock was low. The starter did not hurt us at all...he was a liability for them.

The_Graygator
12-16-2012, 12:23 PM
Had a minor medical emergency with my mom last night and totally forgot about the game.

A one-point loss on the road across the country against a very good opponent isn;t something that will keep me up at nights anyway.

We have a great team that has a good chance of making the title game this year. One loss early in the season doesn't spell the end of the season.

giantgator09
12-16-2012, 02:38 PM
21 to 8

Free throw attempts

We saw our players getting mugged late in the game with no calls and Rosario got laid out on the last play and still no call.

This^.

toddsevans
12-16-2012, 02:48 PM
This team needs to learn how to close out. Freaking gave it to them on a gold platter. Final 4 potential exist but our players have to keep playing defense and learn ball control offense when you have a 10 point lead. Discipline

ncorangeblue
12-16-2012, 03:06 PM
It doesn't matter who you think is better.

This team gave a clinic on how to lose a game in the last minute. They should learn from this.

I'd much rather have this experience in December, than during the third week in March.

This

keefer
12-16-2012, 03:50 PM
Wonder if we will ever see a thread started in ANY sport titled "The Refs Won The Game For Us". Get over it people. Refs didn't lose or blow squat. We had some mental and physical lapses in a tough environment. Team played great for 90% of the game, so we have to work on the other 10%. Got 3 mos. to do it. Stop crying.

LeesGator
12-16-2012, 03:59 PM
I like reading reading what opposing fans say after the game, and Arizona thinks they came terrible officiating to win that game. They missed a few travels on us and a Rosario push of, but other than that, I don't recall Florida getting any favorable calls.

Funny stuff.

I'm sure you didn't, but 21-8 tells a different story. If they don't call the bs technical against WY then we still win. They missed one Rosario travel, the one where he didn't have the ball and got tackled from behind. It happens.

dalwood13
12-16-2012, 05:16 PM
I'm sure you didn't, but 21-8 tells a different story. If they don't call the bs technical against WY then we still win. They missed one Rosario travel, the one where he didn't have the ball and got tackled from behind. It happens.

Come on. Watching the replay, Will clearly earned a technical on that one. The guy was not underneath him and even if he thought he was, that's no reason to do a pull-up on the rim.

REM08
12-16-2012, 05:24 PM
Rim tech's are the dumbest rule I've seen. Unless a guy starts doing pull-ups on them then just get on with the game. Refs seem to have zero understanding of physics and concepts like momentum when the make these calls. You don't see techs for flexing like you're in a mr universe contest, but you do when someone's on the rim half a second too long.

gatorfansrule
12-16-2012, 05:39 PM
The point is, Will knows the rules and he probably would have been fine if he just hung on the rim if he was worried about the guy being underneath him. It was the pull-up that got him the tech.

rounds
12-16-2012, 06:46 PM
Nice form on the chin-up though.

brianobriano
12-16-2012, 07:09 PM
We just got back from the game in Tucson. Great Bball environment. All fans nice before game. Some very obnoxious fans after game, They were also riding high their BIG win over Nevada in bowl game. As a spectator we felt calls were a bit against us. U of A fans and a couple of our close friends felt differently of course. Overall, I think this helps us more than it helps them. A good team should win against a good team at home, and they did barely.

SmootyGator
12-17-2012, 09:02 AM
I thought that there was some home cooking, but nothing egregious. This loss will (hopefully) help us in the long run. It's not like we were going to go undefeated this season. We lost, on the road, to perhaps the best team we will face all season (regular season, anyway). We need to learn from Muschamp how to: "OVERCOME ADVERSITY ON THE COURT"!!! :D

ofmgator
12-17-2012, 12:12 PM
I'm one of the old guys on this board but even though I hate crying about a loss I have to admit the officiating was terrible...the ncaa needs to watch this game and hand out some penalty for the officiating.