Harrison Twins

[BigIgator25]

Watched their game on espn tonight and I came away kinda indifferent, I see nothing really special about their games. They are solid players, but nothing jumps out and makes me say wow. Now the Gordon kid from California is a special athlete, the block he had tonight was crazy. If Kentucky gets him then I think he is the best of the 3 kids who played tonight.

[akaGatorhoops]

I watched... and thought the same, though tough to make a judgement on one game. I tend to look at the intangibles. A. Harrison often seemed to be sulking and didnt have the best body language.
Gordon, was the opposite.

[Jstewie15]

I watched... and thought the same, though tough to make a judgement on one game. I tend to look at the intangibles. A. Harrison often seemed to be sulking and didnt have the best body language.
Gordon, was the opposite Well Harrison should fit well with Calapari lol

[InstiGATOR1]

I did not watch my cable is out, but the mythical 6'5"+ PG is like the mythical 6+ CB. Any college recruit who are those sizes have to show me they can play those positions.

Sure there have been some all pro guys like that at CB and yes Erving Johnson really did exist, but these types are very very rare. So until proven differently, I think UK's current class is composed so far of 3 wing players, a big and another big who is basically an invited walkon. Wiggins would be a great get for anyone, but it would just mean UK now has 4 wings in its class and you can't play 4 wings.

[madgator]

I have seen the Harrison twins play 3 different times....never been overly impressed. MUCH happier having Kasey Hill in our class

he should be #3 overall in the class.....without question. last years play against Findlay prep followed up with his performance in the adidas should've solidified that status.

[int1974]

They did not look like top 5-10 players. If They were 6'2 not sure they are thought of this high. good players, just did not look elite.

[dailydoublecat]

Well this Kentucky fan is THRILLED to have the Harrison twins in the fold---they are both special, special players. The great thing is we will all find out!

Jeff

[int1974]

Jeff did you think they looked like top 5 players? Good Size was the best thing about them to me. I would take them, but just expected more.

[gatordd]

Harrisons are solid - top tier NBA guys? Not at this point... I'd take Gordon over the Harrisons...

Also, that dad is going to be annoying - you could tell by his body language during the game

Hill >>>> Harrisons

I don't understand how everyone else doesn't see this...

[dailydoublecat]

Jeff did you think they looked like top 5 players? Good Size was the best thing about them to me. I would take them, but just expected more.

I didnt watch one second of action but have watched them in Orlando the last two years. I do understand what you mean about expecting more however. The one issue I have about both of them is they do sulk--but I figured if Cal could get getting Cousins attention then the twins should be easy LOL.

Jeff

[dailydoublecat]

Harrisons are solid - top tier NBA guys? Not at this point... I'd take Gordon over the Harrisons...

Also, that dad is going to be annoying - you could tell by his body language during the game

Hill >>>> Harrisons

I don't understand how everyone else doesn't see this...

DD---what a great point. I have no idea how these people do the rankings etc. I know I am AWFUL at being a talent scout. I can remember watching Jeremy Lamb and I was like Woo Im glad we didnt get him, LMAO--all he does is kill us in the Final Four :)

Jeff

[gatordd]

DD---what a great point. I have no idea how these people do the rankings etc. I know I am AWFUL at being a talent scout. I can remember watching Jeremy Lamb and I was like Woo Im glad we didnt get him, LMAO--all he does is kill us in the Final Four :)

Jeff

It's impossible to be certain on an 18 year old kid, I don't care how skilled. You guys need to wrap up Gordon though Jeff, that kid is going to be special when he has a true position and some discipline on offense

[dailydoublecat]

It's impossible to be certain on an 18 year old kid, I don't care how skilled. You guys need to wrap up Gordon though Jeff, that kid is going to be special when he has a true position and some discipline on offense

I think we come in third with Gordon--i think AZ is the team to beat with UW right there as well, however I am wrong every day! :)

Jeff

[REM08]

Harrisons are solid - top tier NBA guys? Not at this point... I'd take Gordon over the Harrisons...

Also, that dad is going to be annoying - you could tell by his body language during the game

Hill >>>> Harrisons

I don't understand how everyone else doesn't see this...

You're at least correct that most feel differently.

Of the major recruiting sites, Andrew (the PG) is ranked 2nd in the class in 2 of them and 4th at the lowest. Every site that I've seen has him pegged as the top PG. Aaron is ranked between 3 and 5 in each site. While I think it has become trendy lately to label them "overrated", none of the recruiting sites seem to agree. Draft Express says this about Andrew:

Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college. Needs to improve in the areas most superstar prep players do as the competition stiffens. Has had a lot of attention come his way from a very young age. Can't let that go to his head at this early stage of his development. Needs to find a real position? If he's a point guard, will need to improve playmaking ability creating offense for teammates. If he's a shooting guard, must improve ability to play off the ball.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2F2oBKyVs
http://www.draftexpress.com


Other national articles have predicted they make up the best back court in college basketball next year.

Obviously, the above does not totally negate any possible negative assessments you guys have made after watching them play. We all can have our takes on them. One thing I'd keep in mind about last night (in addition to it just being one game) was that Andrew had a hamstring issue and wasn't going to play in the game until it was decided otherwise close to game time.

Call me biased, but I don't see how statements like "I'd take Hill over the twins...etc" make any sense. For one thing, they're twice as many players - both rated higher than Hill (not that rankings are gospel - I just saw one site had Austin Rivers ahead of Anthony Davis). I have nothing against Hill and think he'll be great. I guess one advantage for him is that maybe, maybe because of his height, he sticks around longer than the twins? I think Hill wins in the attitude area. Thats one thing Cal is going to have to work on with the twins from what I've seen of them. I also think Hill is better in several aspects of the game, but not enough for me to offset Andrew's better areas and size.

Luckily we won't have to wait long with only rankings and our opinions to go by. Next year will give us all the evidence we need.


BTW, I agree Gordon's a nice player. He won't be at UK IMO though. He's gonna have many dunks on Sportscenter's top 10 though. Still think there's no player in this class that compares to Wiggins.

[REM08]

I did not watch my cable is out, but the mythical 6'5"+ PG is like the mythical 6+ CB. Any college recruit who are those sizes have to show me they can play those positions.

Sure there have been some all pro guys like that at CB and yes Erving Johnson really did exist, but these types are very very rare. So until proven differently, I think UK's current class is composed so far of 3 wing players, a big and another big who is basically an invited walkon. Wiggins would be a great get for anyone, but it would just mean UK now has 4 wings in its class and you can't play 4 wings.

I'll give you credit, you've always been consistent with this position. Andrew isn't pure point. Probably more of a combo guard - but IMO less of one than Tyreke Evans was. John Wall was listed at 6'4 and actually was a point guard. Is it just that Andrews listed at an inch taller that you wonder? I actually think playing these years with his brother (who is the more polished scorer) will help Andrew adjust to playing with other options in college - actually making his transition easier. We'll see I guess.

[dailydoublecat]

I did not watch my cable is out, but the mythical 6'5"+ PG is like the mythical 6+ CB. Any college recruit who are those sizes have to show me they can play those positions.

Sure there have been some all pro guys like that at CB and yes Erving Johnson really did exist, but these types are very very rare. So until proven differently, I think UK's current class is composed so far of 3 wing players, a big and another big who is basically an invited walkon. Wiggins would be a great get for anyone, but it would just mean UK now has 4 wings in its class and you can't play 4 wings.

Willis going to be better than people think IMHO. People preach they want to see talent grow, well he will be an example, will he sprout or will he wither?

Jeff

[REM08]

Willis going to be better than people think IMHO. People preach they want to see talent grow, well he will be an example, will he sprout or will he wither?

Jeff

Agree on Willis. People always talk about how Cal needs to target multi-year players also - yet criticize the recruit once Cal gets a player like this.

[int1974]

Going to some great battles next few year, between Ken & Fla.
C- Harris/C.Walker
PF- Yeg/C.Walker
SF- Prather/Smith/Walker
SG- Frazier/Graham/Walker.
PG- Wilbekin/ Hill/ Braxton

If we add Johnson or Randle, the party is over////

[UFG8rGuy3283]

I don't know much about either of them. I've seen them play once on TV and they weren't playing very good competition.

I'll say this...the fact that they've been playing together their whole lives and will be playing in college together tells me that they should have a leg up in the transition. It is much easier as a human being in general to go to a new town and start college with a sibling than headed off to a new place where you may only know a couple of guys from the AAU circuit. Now I realize that times have changes and these guys do a lot of Twitter/Facebook/Texting to keep in contact so it's not quite like it used to be, but I would still consider it an advantage.

With that said, Cal is going to have a challenge on his hands from what I've read/heard about their father. He seems like he's "very involved". If, and that's a big if, the twins are as difficult as it has been said they are, the reason is pretty clear.

Coaches wanted them for a reason, though, so I'm sure there's a ton of talent there. I just don't know how these sites can say things like "top shelf NBA talent" for an 18 year old kid unless it's a Lebron or Dwight Howard type. College to NBA, for a multitude of reasons, is the biggest jump of any to make.

I'm sure UK and Cal are very happy to have them in the fold.

[dailydoublecat]

The UK-UF wars next year is going to be something else!! I cant wait--this years I hope we can match up when the time comes!

Jeff

[BigIgator25]

I have seen the Harrison twins in person several times also in Orlando, they are solid prospects, but Gordon is much better to me as a prospect. I think Kasey is a better point then Harrison, but that is my humble opinion. Head to head he is better then both, but of course anyone would take the 2 over 1.

Let me ask you, what exactly wows you about either one of them? I think they will be good college basketball players of course. I am glad Kentucky is 3rd for Gordon though, he reminds me of a young Blake Griffin.. Harrisons dad is like that parent in the gym who bitches about every call and everytime his kid isnt involved in the play. It was very annoying, and on tv last night he looked just as bad.

[REM08]

I have seen the Harrison twins in person several times also in Orlando, they are solid prospects, but Gordon is much better to me as a prospect. I think Kasey is a better point then Harrison, but that is my humble opinion. Head to head he is better then both, but of course anyone would take the 2 over 1.

Let me ask you, what exactly wows you about either one of them? I think they will be good college basketball players of course. I am glad Kentucky is 3rd for Gordon though, he reminds me of a young Blake Griffin.. Harrisons dad is like that parent in the gym who bitches about every call and everytime his kid isnt involved in the play. It was very annoying, and on tv last night he looked just as bad.

Couldn't agree more about Gordon and Griffin. Honestly, I'm actually "wowed" more by the play of Kasey Hill. He's quicker and a much flashier passer, also has a great, and also quick, jumper. I also agree with those that think the twins would be ranked lower if they were shorter, but who can't you say this about. Size matters in basketball. Freakish players of any size will make it. Freakish players with great size (Lebron) are the best. The twins are not freakish athletes but they're very good athletes and they've got good size and strength (especially Andrew for a PG).

If Andrew can adjust to playing point in college and "run the team" as Cal says, then his physical tools and advantages over other point guards are going to give UK an advantage on both ends of the court. Both are imposing for college guards and I think many overlook their strength and focus too much on their height. I also love the chemistry the twins already have and won't have to learn (as others have said).

Don't get me wrong, Andrew isn't John Wall and I'm not saying Kasey Hill wouldn't be ranked higher if he were 6'5 also. When comparing basketball players, you can't just cancel out size differences - they matter - but clearly aren't the end all either. I remember when us UK fans were thrilled about our 6'6 Freshmen point guard DeAndre Liggins. If Andrew plays like a wing (as Insti talks about) and not like a point, I'll change my tune.

[gatordd]

You're at least correct that most feel differently.

Of the major recruiting sites, Andrew (the PG) is ranked 2nd in the class in 2 of them and 4th at the lowest. Every site that I've seen has him pegged as the top PG. Aaron is ranked between 3 and 5 in each site. While I think it has become trendy lately to label them "overrated", none of the recruiting sites seem to agree. Draft Express says this about Andrew:



Other national articles have predicted they make up the best back court in college basketball next year.

Obviously, the above does not totally negate any possible negative assessments you guys have made after watching them play. We all can have our takes on them. One thing I'd keep in mind about last night (in addition to it just being one game) was that Andrew had a hamstring issue and wasn't going to play in the game until it was decided otherwise close to game time.

Call me biased, but I don't see how statements like "I'd take Hill over the twins...etc" make any sense. For one thing, they're twice as many players - both rated higher than Hill (not that rankings are gospel - I just saw one site had Austin Rivers ahead of Anthony Davis). I have nothing against Hill and think he'll be great. I guess one advantage for him is that maybe, maybe because of his height, he sticks around longer than the twins? I think Hill wins in the attitude area. Thats one thing Cal is going to have to work on with the twins from what I've seen of them. I also think Hill is better in several aspects of the game, but not enough for me to offset Andrew's better areas and size.

Luckily we won't have to wait long with only rankings and our opinions to go by. Next year will give us all the evidence we need.


BTW, I agree Gordon's a nice player. He won't be at UK IMO though. He's gonna have many dunks on Sportscenter's top 10 though. Still think there's no player in this class that compares to Wiggins.

I don't base my assessment on a number that is arbitrarily decided by guys who have watched them play HS competition. I trust my own analysis as much as the next guys. No player is a sure thing, like I said in this thread.

I've seen Hill in person a lot. The kid is the best PG I've ever seen for his age. We'll see, REM!

[gator7_5]

Let me ask you, what exactly wows you about either one of them?.

You didn't read this thorough in depth analyisis posted by REM, from draftexpess?

"Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college. Needs to improve in the areas most superstar prep players do as the competition stiffens. Has had a lot of attention come his way from a very young age. Can't let that go to his head at this early stage of his development. Needs to find a real position? If he's a point guard, will need to improve playmaking ability creating offense for teammates. If he's a shooting guard, must improve ability to play off the ball."

oh wait...

[MJGator8104]

You didn't read this thorough in depth analyisis posted by REM, from draftexpess?

"Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college. Needs to improve in the areas most superstar prep players do as the competition stiffens. Has had a lot of attention come his way from a very young age. Can't let that go to his head at this early stage of his development. Needs to find a real position? If he's a point guard, will need to improve playmaking ability creating offense for teammates. If he's a shooting guard, must improve ability to play off the ball."

oh wait...

I read that and wondered why they should think so highly of a point guard who needs to improve his playmaking ability creating offense for teammates...if he's all that, shouldn't he be doing this already?

[REM08]

I read that and wondered why they should think so highly of a point guard who needs to improve his playmaking ability creating offense for teammates...if he's all that, shouldn't he be doing this already?

Depends on how they weight current production verses what they perceive their ceiling/potential to be. Anthony Davis wasn't ranked highly because of what he did in high school. He pretty much played point and did so for a horrible team. Good recruiting gurus/scouts/coaches can project what is a reasonable expectation for a player. Obviously rankings can be off because you're rarely comparing apples to apples.

I'm just saying, a lot of people would have to be wrong about the twin's rankings. There really isn't disagreement between the recruiting sites - and keep in mind not all sites even agreed on John Wall as the top PG in his class.

[MJGator8104]

Depends on how they weight current production verses what they perceive their ceiling/potential to be. Anthony Davis wasn't ranked highly because of what he did in high school. He pretty much played point and did so for a horrible team. Good recruiting gurus/scouts/coaches can project what is a reasonable expectation for a player. Obviously rankings can be off because you're rarely comparing apples to apples.

I'm just saying, a lot of people would have to be wrong about the twin's rankings. There really isn't disagreement between the recruiting sites - and keep in mind not all sites even agreed on John Wall as the top PG in his class.

In other words (at least for the pg twin), it just goes back to height, weight, athleticism and the recruiting guru's expectations as opposed to actual production while currently playing pg. I can understand holding an athletic player to a high regard; however, how do you consider him the current best point guard when he needs work to actually become a better point guard?

[REM08]

In other words (at least for the pg twin), it just goes back to height, weight, athleticism and the recruiting guru's expectations as opposed to actual production while currently playing pg. I can understand holding an athletic player to a high regard; however, how do you consider him the current best point guard when he needs work to actually become a better point guard?

You're not getting it. Anthony Davis, based on the "actual production" while playing current position, wouldn't have been ranked as high as Cody Zeller or maybe even guys like Rakeem Christmas or James McAdoo. How'd that have played out?

Should Davis have merely been "held in high regard" but not ranked as high as players with "actual production" because much of his ranking was based on "height, weight, athleticism, and the recruiting guru's expecations..."??? Same argument for John Wall and many other highly ranked players that ended up panning out like the "guru's" projected. Sure they're wrong sometimes, but don't pretend like there isn't plenty of past precedent for exactly the kind of ranking Andrew Harrison has gotten for exactly the same reasons he has gotten it.

[BigIgator25]

Harrison is was pretty athletic, but Kasey Hills athleticism is off the charts. The Harrison twins are a good story and both very fine players. But to say he has more upside to me is ridiculous because he is 3 or 4 inches taller. He might have size and strength, but Hill has the quickness, handles and the passing skills. Dont get me wrong, think at least one Harrison is gonna be very good. But I still like Hill more, maybe it is the Gator in me.

[tommyuf21]

I prefer to wait and see what happens next season before I come to any conclusions. It's hard to project based on what these guys do against inferior competition and that goes for all of them, not just UK or UF's recruits.

[madgator]

Harrison is was pretty athletic, but Kasey Hills athleticism is off the charts. The Harrison twins are a good story and both very fine players. But to say he has more upside to me is ridiculous because he is 3 or 4 inches taller. He might have size and strength, but Hill has the quickness, handles and the passing skills. Dont get me wrong, think at least one Harrison is gonna be very good. But I still like Hill more, maybe it is the Gator in me.

If Kasey Hill was committed to Kentucky they would've ranked him #3 without question. What they want to do is have something to write about when Kentucky has "4 of the top 5" prospects or 5 of the top 6.

Like I had stated previously, Hill's domination of the Adidas tournament over the summer would normally lead to a #1 overall ranking. This of course doesn't happen when you have the likes of Wiggins and Parker in a class. But make no mistake, Kasey Hill is the best point guard in the country this year.

[tupacbiff]

If Kasey Hill was committed to Kentucky they would've ranked him #3 without question. What they want to do is have something to write about when Kentucky has "4 of the top 5" prospects or 5 of the top 6.

Like I had stated previously, Hill's domination of the Adidas tournament over the summer would normally lead to a #1 overall ranking. This of course doesn't happen when you have the likes of Wiggins and Parker in a class. But make no mistake, Kasey Hill is the best point guard in the country this year.

Well said and something I have talked about countless times.

[REM08]

Well said and something I have talked about countless times.

It'll show on the court then. I'm not saying the guru's have to be right, just that if its that "clear" that Hill is a better point guard, they'd have to all be emphatically wrong.

We've got next year to see. The NBA likes guys who are better point guards also. We'll also have the draft to go by.

[tupacbiff]

It'll show on the court then. I'm not saying the guru's have to be right, just that if its that "clear" that Hill is a better point guard, they'd have to all be emphatically wrong.

We've got next year to see. The NBA likes guys who are better point guards also. We'll also have the draft to go by.

Was not commenting in hill v the twins. Simply saying a site like ESPN will
Manipulate rankings for story purposes and that ranking of recruits are bias based on where the kid opts to sign.

For example if the twins opted to sign with valpo instead of uk odds are their ranking would fall. Similarly if a mid level recruit signs with duke his rankin is likely to increase.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Was not commenting in hill v the twins. Simply saying a site like ESPN will
Manipulate rankings for story purposes and that ranking of recruits are bias based on where the kid opts to sign.

For example if the twins opted to sign with valpo instead of uk odds are their ranking would fall. Similarly if a mid level recruit signs with duke his rankin is likely to increase.

Agreed. ESPN especially. I don't know who will be better. It will play out next year. I'll just say I'm stoked for Kasey Hill.

[tommyuf21]

Was not commenting in hill v the twins. Simply saying a site like ESPN will
Manipulate rankings for story purposes and that ranking of recruits are bias based on where the kid opts to sign.

For example if the twins opted to sign with valpo instead of uk odds are their ranking would fall. Similarly if a mid level recruit signs with duke his rankin is likely to increase.

Their motive is to send a message to that individual that he should sign with the big school.

Not that they need much convincing, but its all about ratings, isn't it?

[samit23]

I'm not sure why a team would recruit 2 identical players in the same class. I think Cal is drinking too much of his own kool aid.

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[dailydoublecat]

I'm not sure why a team would recruit 2 identical players in the same class. I think Cal is drinking too much of his own kool aid.

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Trust me Kentucky will be fine! You can have numerous players with same skill sets if they are elite.

[REM08]

I'm not sure why a team would recruit 2 identical players in the same class. I think Cal is drinking too much of his own kool aid.

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I'm pretty sure you're joking. Just in case you're not, I wouldn't have minded having two Anthony Davis' last year.