Baylor at UK

[gatordavisl]

I didn't see a thread on this. Baylor up 46-40, though UK just got a three point play. The crowd coming to life. And a huge three by Baylor. 49-40 with 10:30 to go. Baylor with the biscuit.

[gatordavisl]

52-48 with 7:40 left

[ApexNC]

Good game

[gatordavisl]

Noel had a great put-back dunk there, but may have gotten away with over-the-back. Baylor will need to play smart down the stretch and make a couple huge shots to hang on here. 58-52 with 4:30 left. UK ball

[ApexNC]

As much as it's better for UF's RPI for UK to win, I find myself pulling for Baylor to give them a loss in Rupp

[alietigator]

I want UK to lose as many as possible, our RPI will be good either way. I'm tired of UKs home win streak. Baylor isn't event that good. I've seen them a couple of times. Both are very poor defensive teams. Bad fouling all atound

[G8rNkoko]

I have been watching for about the last 10 minutes of game time, and I have to say that Ky is getting the benefit of a lot of whistles not being blown. Noel should have about 7 fouls by now as he has been a bull in a china shop and isn't being penalized.

[ApexNC]

Wow...UK appears to be going down. 62-55 with 38.5 seconds and Baylor at the line. Imagine if Tubby had started a season this poorly ;-)

[BengermanV]

Looking pretty close to being game over.

[gatordavisl]

I have been watching for about the last 10 minutes of game time, and I have to say that Ky is getting the benefit of a lot of whistles not being blown. Noel should have about 7 fouls by now as he has been a bull in a china shop and isn't being penalized.It will only get worse when we play them.

Ballgame: Baylor 64 UK 55
Down go the Katz.

[GreenGatorGuy6218]

Wow. This is fun. I guess Calipari will have to start taking away the lounge massage chairs and personalized chefs until they start winning again.

[G8rNkoko]

So much for the home winning streak......final 64-55 Baylor..

[Bradass]

Immensely overrated

[tegator80]

Overall, I thought UK played better than against ND but you can definitely see the inexperience in their play. The question is will they begin to get it by the end of the season?

[ApexNC]

So glad UF scheduled a good OOC schedule this year. If not, we might end up the f$u of basketball this season

[G8rNkoko]

Come Monday, UK may be out of the top 25.

[lean_gator]

We should beat these guys twice. Three times if we see them in the SEC tourney. Four times if they end up in our NCAA Tourney bracket. We are a much better "team" than they are. Just like the football team this year, its time for the basketball team to embark on its on version of the revenge tour.

[BengermanV]

Hate it for guys like REM and Jeff, but Kentucky is my FSU of basketball. If it helps, this is just about exactly how we felt after the 04's left us.

I also honestly believe they'll get better as the season progresses. But as of right now, especially in a weak SEC with almost no resume builders, it might be nail-bittingly close for them come selection time.

[Gator40]

UK is now 4-3. haha

[G8rNkoko]

Baylor is having a very good day......their BB team just beat UK at Rupp and their football team is ahead 34-20 over Okst.

[REM08]

Come Monday, UK may be out of the top 25.

Deserve to fall out of top 25 whether they do or not - no question. I'm just glad this isn't football where the season would be over at this point. This team reminds me of the 2011 group that lost 9 games, only not as good and far less experienced.

I'm not worried. This year we'll either get things together and may end up being a dangerous team, or we won't. Next year will be better.

[tilly]

RPI is for the bubble.....We will be a high seed and just need to win our last 6 games this season...the heck with Captain Vacate, and his merry cats.

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[born2beagator]

Keep the losses coming. This is a beautiful thing.

Bet UK fans will call for Squid's head if they miss the dance

[Louisville_Gator]

Are these UK players expected to be 1 and dones? Not sure I see any that are ready, unless it's a weak draft class.

[GreenGatorGuy6218]

Are these UK players expected to be 1 and dones? Not sure I see any that are ready, unless it's a weak draft class.

Would Calipari push these guys out for next years class?

[Meadows]

My thoughts on the Baylor/Kentucky game, in UK's perspective.
No leadership whatsoever!
Can't shoot (30% from the field)
Soft on the boards
Weak FT shooters
Can't play perimeter defense
Bad hands
No fluidity on offense (Just standing)
Turnover prone (Guards are driving trying to create but yet they force it way too much)

Absolutely should drop out of the top 25. There's no question..

[JohnC1908]

Are these UK players expected to be 1 and dones? Not sure I see any that are ready, unless it's a weak draft class.

Noel is gone. NBA doesn't really care if they're ready. They'll pick based on potential.

[Osiris_DPM]

Noel is gone. NBA doesn't really care if they're ready. They'll pick based on potential.

and Poythress, who is playing well and will be picked high in the draft

[dailydoublecat]

Would Calipari push these guys out for next years class?

Without a doubt YES!!
Jeff

[dailydoublecat]

My thoughts on the Baylor/Kentucky game, in UK's perspective.
No leadership whatsoever!
Can't shoot (30% from the field)
Soft on the boards
Weak FT shooters
Can't play perimeter defense
Bad hands
No fluidity on offense (Just standing)
Turnover prone (Guards are driving trying to create but yet they force it way too much)

Absolutely should drop out of the top 25. There's no question..
Ohh my god the sky is falling lol. This team has a lot to learn and plenty of time to get better. They played with tons of energy just couldn't make a shot it which happens. I'm much happier than Thursday. It is a marathon and not a sprint.
Jeff

[REM08]

Without a doubt YES!!
Jeff

Only if they're projected in the top few picks.

Noel and Poythress are easy lottery just on potential (which is what the nba does). Goodwin probably too but not as obvious.

Cal doesnt have to force kids out for scholarship numbers to work.

[dailydoublecat]

Long way to go it will all be cleared up.

[BengermanV]

Noel and Poythress will be gone, not sure about anyone else. That class they have coming in next year is nasty though, wouldn't be surprised to see them miss the tournament this year and then come close to winning it again next year.

[dailydoublecat]

Alex is a lost puppy right now. This is a long season but damn Alex has no confidence and cant even dribble the ball at times. If he works his ass off he can make it, but he better turn the corner quick. UK will make the tourney. This isn't Gillispies last year lmao.
Jeff

[GatorLurker]

In 2004 UK had the #1 class. UF also had a 2004 class that was not #1 by a long shot and I think that they did OK.

Recruiting is an inexact science and team building is even more difficult. Some times it works and some times not.

Coach Cal hit the Lotto last year.

Perhaps not so much this time.

Let's see how good of a coach he really is. He has awesome players. Can he find a way to win with them?

[themistocles]

Ouch - at home - note that Baylor has losses to a reasonable team, Colorado, and, are you ready for this:


THE COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON!!!!!



This is an embarrassing loss.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

I'm smiling but not saying a word until we beat them

[InstiGATOR1]

I'm smiling but not saying a word until we beat them

I am with you on this.

[SwampFox]

Another UK loss? ho hum...

:smoke:

[tommyuf21]

I'm smiling but not saying a word until we beat them

Amen to that.

[tommyuf21]

Ohh my god the sky is falling lol. This team has a lot to learn and plenty of time to get better. They played with tons of energy just couldn't make a shot it which happens. I'm much happier than Thursday. It is a marathon and not a sprint.
Jeff

The idea that UK would miss the tourney is preposterous. They will get better.

However, I got the impression from Cal's post game interview that he doesn't like the attitudes. He more or less said that this team doesn't seem to hate losing like some of his other squads, most notably the 2010-2011 group that started slow and went to the final four.

[dailydoublecat]

The problem is Calipari is the leader and we have some prima Donna wussies that pout instead of get pissed!! The light will come on the question is when???
Jeff

[UFG8rGuy3283]

The problem is Calipari is the leader and we have some prima Donna wussies that pout instead of get pissed!! The light will come on the question is when???
Jeff

The rest of December is exactly what the doctor ordered for UK. The next few games are walkovers at home after you guys lost a coupke of tough ones. If the kids respond positively to it and work harder in practice they will have 4 or 5 games against inferior teams to improve their chemistry too.

I agree with you that the light will come on. I don't know if Cal set up the schedule this way on purpose, but if he did, it was a great job on his part.

Come Louisville they'll be ready and more confident. There's a lot of talent there.

[Bear1974]

The problem is you can't expect to bring in freshman every year with the concept of the one-done program and not expect years like this to happen.

If you go down the road of basing your entire starting line-up based upon the one-done concept you are never going to know what you are going to get with freshman - I don't care how many recruiting stars that kid may have.

Ukitty may be fine in the coming months but right now they are learning the tough lessons of many freshman - learning to listen to coaching and trying to play together in a manner that leads to good team chemistry on the floor.

Uk was overrated and the assumption was you can bring in another hot freshman class and continue what happened last year was a pure delutional UKitty fans pipe dream - it rarely works out in the positive from the very start of a season.

Now does that mean what we see know is what we will see from UK in March - probably not but who knows. Everything now is dependent on whether those freshman will listen and learn from their mistakes or not.

[GreenGatorGuy6218]

I agree. It's a flawed system. But if it's your team then you support it I guess.

[REM08]

The problem is you can't expect to bring in freshman every year with the concept of the one-done program and not expect years like this to happen.

If you go down the road of basing your entire starting line-up based upon the one-done concept you are never going to know what you are going to get with freshman - I don't care how many recruiting stars that kid may have.

Ukitty may be fine in the coming months but right now they are learning the tough lessons of many freshman - learning to listen to coaching and trying to play together in a manner that leads to good team chemistry on the floor.

Uk was overrated and the assumption was you can bring in another hot freshman class and continue what happened last year was a pure delutional UKitty fans pipe dream - it rarely works out in the positive from the very start of a season.

Now does that mean what we see know is what we will see from UK in March - probably not but who knows. Everything now is dependent on whether those freshman will listen and learn from their mistakes or not.

I agree but would add that no system prevents years like this. Florida and Unc dont rely on freshmen yet ended up NIT bound after their title talent left for the league. It happens. Anyone expecting any system to produce great results every year is delusional. You just hope you're in the mix enough years/often enough to be satisfied.

[dailydoublecat]

I agree. It's a flawed system. But if it's your team then you support it I guess.

Heck yes I support it. I want to have the best of the best and I dont mind growing pains and a new team each year!
Jeff

[dailydoublecat]

The rest of December is exactly what the doctor ordered for UK. The next few games are walkovers at home after you guys lost a coupke of tough ones. If the kids respond positively to it and work harder in practice they will have 4 or 5 games against inferior teams to improve their chemistry too.

I agree with you that the light will come on. I don't know if Cal set up the schedule this way on purpose, but if he did, it was a great job on his part.

Come Louisville they'll be ready and more confident. There's a lot of talent there.

Great post!! Calipari is in charge of the schedule. The great thing is we will all find out what happens. The scary part is I was more excited about the Stoops press conference than the Baylor game lol
Jeff

[jrcg8tor]

Wow. This is fun. I guess Calipari will have to start taking away the lounge massage chairs and personalized chefs until they start winning again.

The more important question is will Noel's haircut still be allowed to send out tweets?

[phideltdj]

You watched the prior UK teams and you could tell they were one and done type players or NBA ready immediately...this class of freshman I don't really see any one and done players. I guess Noel could go and get drafted on potential but I don't see the talent level the same as in the past. They are really hurting at point as they don't have that dynamic player like Wall, Teague, or Knight.

[REM08]

The more important question is will Noel's haircut still be allowed to send out tweets?

I like Cal and defend him on here all the time, but I don't see how I could defend him thinking Noel's hair (and its twitter account) has anything to do with the losing streak. Time will tell...

[don23lucia]

They should just let Goodwin run with the pg. I haven't watched a full game yet but what I did see was the walk-on out playing harrow and the transfer kid I believe. How was the pg play against Baylor?

[dailydoublecat]

Don it didn't go very well. Harrow will get more run at pt guard, but if he isn't the fix then it goes to Goodwin. Either way tons of time to go in the season.
Jeff

[austingtr]

I agree but would add that no system prevents years like this. Florida and Unc dont rely on freshmen yet ended up NIT bound after their title talent left for the league. It happens. Anyone expecting any system to produce great results every year is delusional. You just hope you're in the mix enough years/often enough to be satisfied.


Florida lost their top 6 players when the 04s left. Marreese Speights hardly played his freshmen year. Walter was the most experienced guy we had, and he was not a great leader, made a lot of bone headed moves that year when it was up to him. He was a two, not a point guard. We all know what Dan Werner brought to the table. The rest were freshmen- freshmen with no experience running the point. Front court with no experience. It was starting from scratch, similar to what KY is going through.

[REM08]

Florida lost their top 6 players when the 04s left. Marreese Speights hardly played his freshmen year. Walter was the most experienced guy we had, and he was not a great leader, made a lot of bone headed moves that year when it was up to him. He was a two, not a point guard. We all know what Dan Werner brought to the table. The rest were freshmen- freshmen with no experience running the point. Front court with no experience. It was starting from scratch, similar to what KY is going through.

My point is only intended to counter the "this is what you get when you depend on freshmen" line of thinking. Clearly Florida did not return uber-talented upperclassmen after their 07 title, but its also safe to say that the plan wasn't to reload with great freshmen every year. Thats all I'm trying to say. Years like this have happened to other teams after a title - not just ones who rely on youth.

There have been a few mentions of UK not making the tourney. I have to say that my expectations are about as low as they can get for this Kentucky team, but they still require a trip to the NCAA tournament. Not a good seed even. Just a seed. After that I'll view anything as gravy.

[don23lucia]

My point is only intended to counter the "this is what you get when you depend on freshmen" line of thinking. Clearly Florida did not return uber-talented upperclassmen after their 07 title, but its also safe to say that the plan wasn't to reload with great freshmen every year. Thats all I'm trying to say. Years like this have happened to other teams after a title - not just ones who rely on youth.

There have been a few mentions of UK not making the tourney. I have to say that my expectations are about as low as they can get for this Kentucky team, but they still require a trip to the NCAA tournament. Not a good seed even. Just a seed. After that I'll view anything as gravy.

Hopefully like Jeff said the guard play comes around and Harrow has the light switch turn on. I felt like he should be more than ready after the transfer year but is obviously having problems mental, physical, or whatever it may be. I think their best bet would be to let Goodwin run with it now before SEC play starts. As much as I would like for you guys to lose, Im more of a fan of keeping the SEC strong. Plus I dont want any excuses when you guys play the Gators lol not from you guys just in general.

[ufgator4ever]

The more important question is will Noel's haircut still be allowed to send out tweets?

I thought that was AC Earl.