Grades v Wisconsin

[tupacbiff]

Overall it was a great effort on both ends of the floor. The key to beating Wisc is usually tempo and we just owned them in that respect. Pretty much our only weakness was post entry passing. Onto the grades...(as a reminder, players are graded on their avg expectancy. Thus a player that less is expected of can exceed the grade of starter by making alot less plays)

KB, 7: He played a patient game and was very steady handling the ball for us. Love the classic 4 pt play and probably got fouled on a few drives that didnt get called because of the score. The real reason is he scores a 7 not a 6 were his reb. He has shown a real willingness to stick his nose in on loose balls. This is something completely new to KB this year when in the past he would always be leaking out. I hope he continues it because we need it when he plays the 2. As always his def was excellent.

Erik Murphy, 10: Not a whole lot to say about perfection. Only mistake he made was getting lazy on a wisc foul shot. Besides that he could do no wrong and really let the game come to him.

Yeguete, 5: It was just an avg game for Will. He didn't impact the game with his hands defensively but played very good positional and help defense. Had a great game at the FT line until the end. My one gripe is his cross over move. It has worked so far but Im not sure once that gets scouted it will be a usable move and it resulted in a charge. I see this as a trend unless he learns better body control or to pass. Still its a nice improvement on his game.

Young, 5: He scores a 5 mainly as a result of the failure of his teammates. He established good pos, sealed his man and the entry pass failed him. Both he and the Wisc C kind of neutralized each other. I would have liked to have seen him use his speed advantage a bit more to beat his man down the floor but understand his focus on the glass prevented that some.

Rosario, 6: He showed the type of streaky player he can be in a positive fashion and also showed when he has it going how his decision making can begin to get questionable. He was also caught of position a bit too many times defensively for my taste. With that said, he absolutely was the spark we needed tonight. He stepped up in a crucial time and made plays that swung the momentum along with Murph. He shot 5-12 and prob should have passed on 3-5 of those shots.

Frazier II, 7: I saw a little Lee Humphrey in him in that he really understands where to spot up. There is a savy to his off the ball knowledge for a Frosh that is very impressive. Its a matter of time until opposing teams coaches are teaching their players never to leave him and to find him on the break. I like that he is willing to be physical and bang with the big bodies on the glass.

Graham, inc: Not enough time to warrant a grade. He looked comfortable out there and in limited min showed defensive effort and understanding.

Ogbueze, inc: Not enough time to warrant a grade. He didn't look bad but I haven't seen yet how he can contribute to this team this year. This maybe because he needs some time to figure it out or just hasn't got enough minutes to show what he can do.

Walker, inc: Not enough time to warrant a grade.

Billy, 10: Team was prepared and clearly scouted Wisc well. Props to the asst who handled it. He used his bench well and understood that you need to control tempo against Wisc. A great overall game. Our team finally looks prepared at the FT early in the season a drastic change from years past.

refs, 5: I dont think they were bad but was nice to see Teddy Valentine miss some obvious calls. I like to know he is already in his NCAA Tourny form.

Announcers, 9: They didn't have one moment where I was really annoyed or they were harping on moronic things. Bilas is just really good even if he uses the same superlatives over and over.

Feel free to discuss.

[ApexNC]

Tupac - 10. Excellent analysis

[akaGatorhoops]

pretty damn good analysis.
The only two negatives i saw were:

1) the crowd

2) the entry pass turnovers

[g8rvet]

Tupac. 8. Excellent analysis but you are a veteran soi only gave you an 8. ;)

[gatordavisl]

yep - echo the 10 for Tupac. Maybe Billy's first 10 in the Tupy ratings?!

[UFreak]

And not to pick on Patrick, but he had a few balls that he simply lost possession of that he needed to hold on to.

Erik Murphy's body has really changed a ton since his freshman year. He has some bulk to him. Played like an All-American tonight. I know he was sick all week. But last night the only thing that was sick about him was his sick-ass stat line.

Kenny was a little shakey at the point early. He had a couple bad turnovers early on attempted entries. But all in all, very solid game for him.

I would have bumped Rosario up to a 7.

[Jaggator]

Did I hear Bilas say Florida would win the SEC as he was giving out grades to them?

[born2beagator]

A 10 for Billy from Tupac. it must have been a good game :D

[HALLGATOR]

Enjoyed the analysis.

[GatorLurker]

Eric was a total monster, but he is the nightmare match-up for Wisconsin. Being that and bringing his A+ game was just a joy to watch.

I would have given Rosario a slightly higher grade. He shredded the Badger defense off the dribble like few have been able to do since Ryan started coaching them. Yes he did take a few ill-advised shots, but his ability to get to the rim seemingly at will distorted the Wisconsin D making the game easier for others.

Getting off to a fast start helped tremendously. If we started off cold Wisconsin might have been able to dictate tempo and that makes for an ugly game which is to their liking. I know that they like games in the 50's. Luckily only their game was there.

[WESGATORS]

Thanks Tupac!

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[ReggieNelson]

great post

[jeffphillips21]

great analysis Tupac. One interesting stat worth noting is that we had as many offensive rebounds (9) as they had defensive rebounds (9). Outrebounded them 39-21 total. Not bad for an "undersized" team

[BuckyGator]

Eric was a total monster, but he is the nightmare match-up for Wisconsin. Being that and bringing his A+ game was just a joy to watch.

I would have given Rosario a slightly higher grade. He shredded the Badger defense off the dribble like few have been able to do since Ryan started coaching them. Yes he did take a few ill-advised shots, but his ability to get to the rim seemingly at will distorted the Wisconsin D making the game easier for others.

Getting off to a fast start helped tremendously. If we started off cold Wisconsin might have been able to dictate tempo and that makes for an ugly game which is to their liking. I know that they like games in the 50's. Luckily only their game was there.

Agreed, especially on Rosario. I was shocked to see how easily he penetrated the UW defense in the first half. In hindsight maybe shouldn't have been shocked, as part of it is dealing with breaking in inexperienced guards and missing their all-conference defensive PG. But still, Rosario did a great job taking advantage.

Overall I was disappointed Badgers didn't play better, but honestly with the way Gators played it wouldn't have mattered beyond the score margin. They'll be a better team by March once the young guards and esp. Dekker get more comfortable.

[tampajack1]

Patric was terrible. Rosaro was great. So those scores are wrong imo. Tupac getting 3 out of 5 right is his all-time best.

[BengermanV]

Nice Tupac. Pretty much agree with everything you said, especially about PY. I'm not sure this game was a good indicator of the player he will be for the rest of the year.

[jeffphillips21]

They were having trouble getting Patric the ball all night, but when he did get it he did good things. Also played solid D on their big.

[InstiGATOR1]

pretty damn good analysis.
The only two negatives i saw were:

1) the crowd

2) the entry pass turnovers

Guards dribbling with their heads down on the pick and roll. You can never find out if the screener is open on the roll if you have your head down.

[happygatorguy]

During the game, I felt that Rosario was a "chucker". But after reading other posts, I realize he did play well getting to the rim. Nice game for him.

[oragator1]

During the game, I felt that Rosario was a "chucker". But after reading other posts, I realize he did play well getting to the rim. Nice game for him.

Yeah I think Rosario is one of those kids where you just have to live with a couple of bizarre plays a game. Tonight he cheated once on defense when he shouldn't have and took a few crazy shots, but he also really looked to pass more than he did last year, to penetrate, to not take contested threes, and stayed mostly within himself. Billy has plenty to still get on him about, but I would bet if he were speaking honestly he would generally be happy with his progress from last year.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Dickie V was calling Murphy a Bo Derek Baby, a perfect 10, he was 10 for 10 baby! What a game, kid is looking like Chris Bosh with a better jumper out there, maybe a Chris Bosh/ Tayshaun Prince combo, has been great watching him grow another shining example of a kid who rides out some early tough love by Billy D and turns himself into a pro

[Go2gtr]

Turnovers were unacceptable, we were saved by an extraordinary shooting night which don't happen that often.

Game plan was spot on and perfectly executed, WE took Wisky out of their game. While they could have played better we dictated the game to them.

Defense was A+, rebounding was A+.

[themistocles]

Tupac gave Billy D a 10???????

That is unheard of.

[ufgator4ever]

Wilbekin didn't get a 0?

[your_perfect_enemy]

There was one timeout Billy called there in the second half when the lead went from around 18 to 12 that I could not have been more pleased with as the team regrouped and immediately streched it back out.

The only fault I could find with Murphy was when inbounding off a made basket, he was almost a little too non chalant with his feet. There were a couple of times he had one foot behind the line and had just barely picked up his second foot before he inbounded the pass. I know it's stupid but I've seen us get called for it before. I know it's trying to get the ball inbounds quickly and start the play and he did a much better job in the second half, but you have to find something to improve on.

Couldn't help but think of tupac when I saw Boynton pulling down those boards and knew somewhere he was smiling.

[tupacbiff]

I always enjoy the feedback. I knew that rosario would be the most controversial grade.

[sec1]

thanks tupac , vear good

[GatorCrazy11]

Great post, agree all around.

Gotta clean up those turnovers, man.

[viningsgator]

Solid analysis. I will give it a 7.

Gainesville doesn't deserve Billy. Legendary coach against solid top 20 team and a half full arena. Very disappointed.

[bullish]

Ogbueze and Frazier are both very physical. They are going to get better. It seemed last night they were told after the first game where they couldn't hit anything to play defense, let the game come to you and don't force your shots. Frazier was spot on, Ogbueze played to distribute the ball and defend. I think these two are very talented. Graham didn't get to play very much, but again, he was told to defend and work the Gator offense.
Devon Walker is not too strong, but talented. If he works hard to get stronger and learns Billy Ball, he will be good also. He seemed to stick his nose in last night and the big strong players from Wisc. mobbed him. I believe after last night he knows what he has to do, it was pretty obvious.
I am with you Tupac in that Rosario can get rolling, is quick and a streaky scorer. But as always takes an early shot when if he would have worked it around to his teammates, we would have had a better result. Nothing has changed with Mike in that regard, but he does at least now and then look for his teammates. He tried to pass it inside to Patrick but Wisconsin was collapsing on him, just about every started threw away an attempt to get Pat going. I think the concern of Wisconsin was Pat and it opened it up for Eric.
Good Analysis overall, just adding my 2 cents!

[WESGATORS]

Gainesville doesn't deserve Billy.

"GAINESVILLE" doesn't care if Billy stays or goes. But GATOR basketball fans do. Still, Billy has been through rougher spurts of fans support than what he's going to have this season (our 2 NIT years). By now, he should know what he's going to get, and there should be no surprises involved. That doesn't mean that we can't keep trying to encourage folks to come out, but I think it's silly to suggest that anybody doesn't deserve Billy. He's getting paid better than most, he's able to recruit very well, and GATOR basketball fans love him!

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[HALLGATOR]

I walked out of the O-Dome, after the NIT loss to Penn State at the end of the 08-09 season, with my son and we were both a bit down. What I told him though was there was one thing you could count on---- that Billy would have this team back to the Big Dance and we would become one of the top programs in the country again.

Thanks to Billy, his assistants and the players who chose Florida.

[regurgigator]

A 10 for Billy from Tupac. it must have been a good game :D


We must have had some pretty good inbounds plays :laugh:


Don't disagree with the OP's analysis, but I was struck by the comments bemoaning the poor post entry passing and the great positional defense by Yeguete (which has become pretty standard for Will) when I think of how Tupac continues to rag on one of our past players (Dan Werner) who was an outstanding post entry passer and also played great positional defense.

[tupacbiff]

We must have had some pretty good inbounds plays :laugh:


Don't disagree with the OP's analysis, but I was struck by the comments bemoaning the poor post entry passing and the great positional defense by Yeguete (which has become pretty standard for Will) when I think of how Tupac continues to rag on one of our past players (Dan Werner) who was an outstanding post entry passer and also played great positional defense.

I'm not about to turn this thread about Werner. I will just say I don't agree with your contention. If u want to talk about Werner start a thread and I'll chime in.

[Row6]

Great OP. Only a couple of comments:

Love the guy but PY was part of those entry pass turnovers and unfortunately I don't think you can teach better hands.

Minor point, but that sudden lead shrink was aided and abetted by BD playing 3 freshmen at one time.

[no_more_cowbell]

Glad to see the grades back for another season. I thought the analysis was pretty spot on this time, although I have to confess they are usually much more entertaining after a poor performance.

[swampgas44]

Glad to see the grades back for another season. I thought the analysis was pretty spot on this time, although I have to confess they are usually much more entertaining after a poor performance.

We can get our entertainment from Tupac's other posts. :clown2:

[grant1]

I suppose this will be Murphy's standard to bear will will get 3s and 4s from here on on out.

[tupacbiff]

I suppose this will be Murphy's standard to bear will will get 3s and 4s from here on on out.

Incorrect