Caution re: Frazier

[tupacbiff]

By all accounts he played great. By all accounts the mentality and shot are there.

However, he is a frosh and was playing inferior competition that likely put little effort into scouting him.

I've read some ridiculous posts regarding what he is going to do this yr. I hope they are right but lets temper expectations.

I remember Kendrick spreul lighting up all American Paul pierce as a frosh basically never to be heard from again. So be cautious when you extrapolate a season or a career based on 1 exhibition performance although I certainly hope that was just the beginning.

[GatoRella]

I would be very happy if he could provide 10 productive minuets off the bench. His shooting ability could really help with floor spacing.

If he picks up defense and rebounding he could really be a factor.

[HALLGATOR]

It was a good start but it's a long season and the competition will get a whole lot better.

[Gatuar]

Damn you went Kendrick Spreul on us!!

[rserina]

No way to know. Did he defend well? Because that seems to be the easiest way to get on the court as a freshman for Donovan.

[InstiGATOR1]

Just last year Beal went 4 for 7 against Catholic U and turned out to be a 34% shooter from the arc. So yes, I too have been saying let me see him do this a second time before I start thinking he is a proven consisten shooter.

[outbackjack]

True, however a pure shooter is a pure shooter.

There aren't too many of those.

And there is no doubt Frazier is a born pure shooter.

[tampajack1]

I remember Randall Leath scorng 27 points in his 1st game as a Gator.

[wci347]

While I agree with the fact that it is way too early to start prognosticating, we cannot underestimate the value of his having seen a freshman get picked third in the NBA draft who basically played the same position he is playing.

That motivation and therefore the results could carry through the entire season I hope. To play in the role of the great Bradley Beal in and of itself has to provide tremendous incentive.

[madgator]

wow a Kendrick Spruel reference.....LOVE IT!

[ArtVandelay]

By all accounts he played great. By all accounts the mentality and shot are there.

However, he is a frosh and was playing inferior competition that likely put little effort into scouting him.

I've read some ridiculous posts regarding what he is going to do this yr. I hope they are right but lets temper expectations.

I remember Kendrick spreul lighting up all American Paul pierce as a frosh basically never to be heard from again. So be cautious when you extrapolate a season or a career based on 1 exhibition performance although I certainly hope that was just the beginning.

I'm pretty sure it was Antrone Lee...

[dalwood13]

No way to know. Did he defend well? Because that seems to be the easiest way to get on the court as a freshman for Donovan.

He did defend pretty well. Obviously, it's tough to judge against that type of opponent, but his intensity and focus on that side of the ball was great. I didn't see any glaring missed assignments from him either. I think he'll probably be the freshman who earns the most minutes, but I wouldn't expect him to play much more than 10-12 minutes per game once we are into SEC play.

[unclepaulie]

Frazier has the frame of a 4th year player, shot form is grade A, defends with aggression, is extremely athletic, works hard, and was the first guy off the bench. He is gonna be good, really good. Is he a Brad Beal? No but geez they don't come around often. Was he a little underrated by recruiting services? Heck yeah. D. Graham looked hecka solid too.

[bullish]

Didn't everybody on the team get to play? But one kid lit it up. I am very glad he became a gator. Will he be Bradley? Who knows, but I think at this point he has shown a sweet stroke, is physical and can play defense. I believe we have no choice but to start him. Boynton pg, Frazier 2g, Prather wing, yegette pf, young c, so there you go. This kid is no Kendrick Spruel. Most athletic team in the SEC.:smoke:

Here is the problem Billy has, so far the freshmen play the way Billy likes, they shoot the three and can drive to the hoop. He has to train them to also keep the bigs in the game. Billy likes to play his seasoned players, but after one game, the writing on wall says "the Freshmen have game" so how long do I keep them on the bench.

Frazier physically is ahead of the rest of the freshmen and like Beal is ready for primetime minutes. To keep him on the bench would only slow down the Gators from ripping out other team's throats.

[gatordd]

no doubt he will have his ups and downs but he is a physical specimen. He can shoot the rock at a high clip and if he can keep his fouls and turnovers down, well then.... it doesn't take a genius to see that he is going to play a ton of minutes

[tupacbiff]

I'm pretty sure it was Antrone Lee...

Then you are wrong it was spruel.

[gatorbogey]

freshmen, in the past, have hit a wall coming down the stretch - just not used to the rigors of college ball. of course, lately, w/ nearly year-round hoops w/ AAU teams, etc, that 'wall' may not be as tough to climb, lately.

i'm excited to see all the freshmen contribute in meaningful ways - in the first exhibition game. that's remarkable. i think that immediately lengthens the bench for BD. he has to be alot more confident about putting the newbies into the games. keeps the team - and individuals fresher - down the stretch....and to make a run in the ncaa's (not looking too far ahead).

[candymanfromgc]

Better to see him have a great game than to not. People will form their own expectations as the season goes. Frazier can only be looked at as a positive plus going forward.

[InstiGATOR1]

True, however a pure shooter is a pure shooter.

There aren't too many of those.

And there is no doubt Frazier is a born pure shooter.

You clearly did not watch any Monteverde games on ESPN last year. It was not clear from those games that he was the kind of shooter he was the other night.

[tupacbiff]

You clearly did not watch any Monteverde games on ESPN last year. It was not clear from those games that he was the kind of shooter he was the other night.

Double duh

[gatordd]

Go frazier

[themistocles]

Spreul and Leah, ahh yes, I recall those first exhibition game performances.

And, of course, you are correct Tupacbiff, you simply cannot project anything from exhibition games.

Billy D is like all coaches, if he has an experienced player of roughly equal quality to a freshman, he will prefer to play the experienced player more.

If Frazier, Ogbueze and perhaps Graham/Walker combine for a total of 25-30 minutes per game, that will really help this team substantially, due to the basic shortage of experienced players (7 is not many).

Anyone who expects Frazier to beat out Wilbekin as a starter is simply not very aware of what Billy D values. You absolutely cannot make such judgments based on exhibition game performances.

[tupacbiff]

Spruel lighting up Paul pierce was an early season non Conf game.

[InstiGATOR1]

I remember Kendrick spreul lighting up all American Paul pierce as a frosh basically never to be heard from again.

Then you are wrong it was spruel.

Spruel lighting up Paul pierce was an early season non Conf game.

Actually no unless you want to claim that 6 points in 14 minutes is lighting someone up, here is the box score of the 11 January 1996 game:

http://www.rockchalk.com/games/g199613.sht

in which Spruel scored 6 points in 14 minutes. This is the only game Pierce played against UF.

Here is the box score of the 7 December 1994 game in which Spruel did not play:

http://www.rockchalk.com/games/g199504.sht

Memory is a funny thing. It turns out Paul Pierce did not play well against UF as a Frosh in 1996, but it is not clear that anyone on UF lit him up. I guess may be one could say Spruel and LeRon Williams out played Pierce who was a Frosh, I am sure a highly recruiting frosh, but not an All American yet.'

Of course the point of this thread still holds and I am sure we could find many example in UF history. This one just happened not to be quite what was remembered.

[tupacbiff]

Fine spreul outplayed him in limited min and shut him down when guarding him.

[Apeman]

Matt Walsh broke out as a freshman early and had a solid season. It has been done, but we'll see.

[InstiGATOR1]

Fine spreul outplayed him in limited min and shut him down when guarding him.

A far cry from "lighting" Pierce up and Pierce as a frosh was a far cry from already being an All American.

[madgator]

You clearly did not watch any Monteverde games on ESPN last year. It was not clear from those games that he was the kind of shooter he was the other night.

Ouch!

have to beg to differ on that one.

[madgator]

Kendrick Spruel and Antrone Lee in the same thread.....I don't know what to do with myself.

All we need next is someone to bring out an Obiora Nnaji and the our work here is done!

Funny thing is that both those guys (Spruel and Lee) went on to have decent college careers.

[ETGator1]

He looks like a physical copy of Bradley Beal. Maybe he puts on 10 lbs and gets some time at the 3?

[StrangeGator]

No question we've got more depth at the two and possibly three than we expected. Better still, a guy who will be ready to start sooner than we thought, but I don't see him playing a huge role this year, especially when we get into the SEC schedule. Let's just enjoy his play through the end of the non-conf schedule.

[Go2gtr]

Hope he can rebound like Beal.

[InstiGATOR1]

Ouch!

have to beg to differ on that one.

I did not watch every Monteverde game on ESPN last year, but Michael Frazier was about a 38% to 40% shooter from the arc from what I saw. That is a good shooter. He looked like knock down shoot in the exhibition. He probably will not be a 45% to 50% shooter from the arc in college, but I will be happy to be wrong.

[mastoidbone]

as long as he rebounds like svein dyrkolbotn we'll be ok.

[RattlerGator]

Frazier has the frame of a 4th year player, shot form is grade A, defends with aggression, is extremely athletic, works hard, and was the first guy off the bench. He is gonna be good, really good. Is he a Brad Beal? No but geez they don't come around often. Was he a little underrated by recruiting services? Heck yeah. D. Graham looked hecka solid too.Agreed. I'm *very* excited by what I saw the other day. Frazier can flat-out PLAY !!! Truly, all of the frosh looked good to me. And Dillon Graham??? Wow !!!

[richardtangeman]

It's hard to give him less then an A+. Don't hit him bases on uinadequacy of opponent.

[hopngator]

I remember Randall Leath scorng 27 points in his 1st game as a Gator.

Double dam! He went Randall Leath on us, after someone Sprueled us! Wow!:shhh:

[grant1]

I remember Randall Leath scorng 27 points in his 1st game as a Gator.

LOL, you remember Randall Leath?? I forgot about him until just now. What did he finish that year with, 50 points?

[tampajack1]

LOL, you remember Randall Leath?? I forgot about him until just now. What did he finish that year with, 50 points?

For all practical purposes, he was never heard from again. He eventually became the PK Yonge basketball coach. Against Biscayne, he was 10 for 10 from the field (a Gator record) and 8 for 8 from the line. David Lee later went 12 for 12 from the field against Northeasern, to break Leath's record.

[lifetimeg8r]

As long as he shoots as well as Martti Kuisma, then I will be a happy camper.

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