Harris Injured and other practice news

[InstiGATOR1]

Broadway tweets:

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Florida C Damontre Harris, a SC transfer, suffered torn labrum in practice Sat. Still deciding if he needs surgery. Could be out til March.

[RD_gator]

Broadway tweets:

Terrible news for Harris. Wishing a full recovery for the young man!

[InstiGATOR1]

Other Broadway tweets in reverse order last to first:

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D said no impact guys in freshman class but that they have worked hard in practice.

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Boynton on UF being ranked 10 in USA poll - "it's a good starting point, we can't let it get to our heads."

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D looking for rebounding from SF position, says Prather can do that but needs to make better decisions w ball.

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D says Prather has been turning ball over in practice.
Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D also said Wilbekin can also play some sg.

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D says Boynton further along than Ogbueze at pg. Sounds like Boynton will back up at point.

Kevin Brockway‏@gatorhoops

Billy D says Wilbekin has played "very well" first four practices.

[gatorfan5220]

If this has to happen it is the perfect time for it...during the transfer year.

[HALLGATOR]

Concerned with Prather and his ball handling. Sounds like a carry-over from last year.

[InstiGATOR1]

If this has to happen it is the perfect time for it...during the transfer year.

That is my view too. He does need to get stronger, but he will still have time. He can spend the year getting to know the system, even if he can not play for a bit.

[gatordee]

If this has to happen it is the perfect time for it...during the transfer year.

This!

[tupacbiff]

This is a huge blow to our team. It was extremely important for young especially but all guys to practice against him. He is prob the best shot blocker we would face all yr.

[tegator80]

This is a huge blow to our team. It was extremely important for young especially but all guys to practice against him. He is prob the best shot blocker we would face all yr.

Yeah, I agree. Practice against our regulars would have been valuable.

I hope that the note on Prather is a caution for him to realize that he is not playing up to expectations. As in "if you want to start at sf, start playing my way."

[jeffphillips21]

I had a torn labrum and had surgery, it keeps popping out otherwise. Smart for him to get it fixed sooner than later but could technically wait until the off-season if not beyond serious

[rserina]

Huge blow to our team? Right. Queue the NIT bid. Yes, it hurts some in practice, but that is about it.

[themistocles]

Except for Harris, this is all pretty much as one might expect things to develop.

[tupacbiff]

Huge blow to our team? Right. Queue the NIT bid. Yes, it hurts some in practice, but that is about it.

Yes it is a huge blow. Never said anything about NIT as it appears you made an illogical leap.

[Bullis33]

yep

This is a huge blow to our team. It was extremely important for young especially but all guys to practice against him. He is prob the best shot blocker we would face all yr.

[GothamGator]

Why do surgery now? He's not going to play anyway, so give him a year in our system and let our guys practice against him.

[grant1]

Yes it is a huge blow. Never said anything about NIT as it appears you made an illogical leap.

Some folks can't tell sarcasim.

And it's not a huge blow. Patrick Young out until March would be a huge blow, not a transfer sitting out.

[tupacbiff]

Some folks can't tell sarcasim.

And it's not a huge blow. Patrick Young out until March would be a huge blow, not a transfer sitting out.

It is a huge blow and I have explained why. If you disagree explain yourself.

However, I should warn you up front I'm right on this so if you disagree you are wrong.

[tilly]

I would say a "big blow" only applies to guys who will play in games. I see the reasoning behind the thought process...but I'd say it's a minor blow to the season in general in the big scheme...

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[tupacbiff]

I would say a "big blow" only applies to guys who will play in games. I see the reasoning behind the thought process...but I'd say it's a minor blow to the season in general in the big scheme...

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You are wrong and I am right. Billy called this a "significant loss" for the team. So billy basically cited the same reasoning as me. Wow, I guess I'm right again as I warned you.

http://m.gatorsports.com/article/20121018/articles/121019551/1056/center_harris_mulls_surgery

[InstiGATOR1]

You are wrong and I am right. Billy called this a "significant loss" for the team. So billy basically cited the same reasoning as me. Wow, I guess I'm right again as I warned you.

The silliest, most inane arguments ever on sports message boards is to quote the coach and to think that stops the discussion. Coaches say things for lots of reasons. As I said about Wilbekin and Prather, it could be they are playing about the same but Donovan thinks Wilbekin needs building up and Prather needs a kick in the butt. So quoting coaches and saying see I am right, causes everyone else to read see I can not think for myself.

Donovan MUST of course call the injury to a new person in his program a significant loss. [Really he must say that about an injury to any of his players.] He needs to make Harris feel a member of the program and encourage him to work hard to get back. The importance of that loss in reality is a debatable point and the debate is not ended by quoting a coach who said what his position required him to say.

I personally do not think it is huge though I certainly understand that Young could benefit from practicing against an athletic shot blocker. Whether one wants to call that significant or not, is a matter of opinion. How many more games do you think UF will lose this year because Harris can not practice?

[tupacbiff]

The silliest, most inane arguments ever on sports message boards is to quote the coach and to think that stops the discussion. Coaches say things for lots of reasons. As I said about Wilbekin and Prather, it could be they are playing about the same but Donovan thinks Wilbekin needs building up and Prather needs a kick in the butt. So quoting coaches and saying see I am right, causes everyone else to read see I can not think for myself.

Donovan MUST of course call the injury to a new person in his program a significant loss. [Really he must say that about an injury to any of his players.] He needs to make Harris feel a member of the program and encourage him to work hard to get back. The importance of that loss in reality is a debatable point and the debate is not ended by quoting a coach who said what his position required him to say.

I personally do not think it is huge though I certainly understand that Young could benefit from practicing against an athletic shot blocker. Whether one wants to call that significant or not, is a matter of opinion. How many more games do you think UF will lose this year because Harris can not practice?

The board can't have it both ways re billy. For years the majority has stated billy said x so it must be x. See any discussion related to Dan Werner.

Your concept that billy is required to say certain things because of his pos or that he may have other motives is alien to the majority of those on the board and simply not accepted.

It is huge because I said so and really that should end any notion of alternate thought Not only young but the whole team could benefit playing against Harris. It would have helped kb with his floater. It woul have helped with reb practice, post offense and defense etc.

How many more games would we Lose? I'm not a fortune teller if I could answer this question I would win more in Vegas than I typically do.

[tampajack1]

The board can't have it both ways re billy. For years the majority has stated billy said x so it must be x. See any discussion related to Dan Werner.

Your concept that billy is required to say certain things because of his pos or that he may have other motives is alien to the majority of those on the board and simply not accepted.

It is huge because I said so and really that should end any notion of alternate thought Not only young but the whole team could benefit playing against Harris. It would have helped kb with his floater. It woul have helped with reb practice, post offense and defense etc.

How many more games would we Lose? I'm not a fortune teller if I could answer this question I would win more in Vegas than I typically do.

Tupac, you ought to figure out a way to make your point without coming across as a jerk. That being said, IMO, Harris is a big loss for all the reasons stated by Billy and more. How much better did Josh Harrelson get playing against Enes Kanter every day at UK. Young only could have improved playing against Harris every day. Also, now Harris might not be able to work on his game or do strength training. That's not good.

[gatorrick1]

It's a bigger blow for Harris in terms of losing development time than it is to this years team. We begin games in less than a month and once the season starts guy's that aren't playing don't really impact winning and losing so much. Glad Patric has had him to compete against these past few months.

Playing against other player's provides reference points for development. Once game's start those reference points come from film vs opponents more so than practice.

[tampajack1]

It's a bigger blow for Harris in terms of losing development time than it is to this years team. We begin games in less than a month and once the season starts guy's that aren't playing don't really impact winning and losing so much. Glad Patric has had him to compete against these past few months.

Playing against other player's provides reference points for development. Once game's start those reference points come from film vs opponents more so than practice.

True.

[InstiGATOR1]

The board can't have it both ways re billy. For years the majority has stated billy said x so it must be x. See any discussion related to Dan Werner.

How many more games would we Lose? I'm not a fortune teller if I could answer this question I would win more in Vegas than I typically do.

1. I am not the board. I view coaches comments a one bit of evidence. Also you do not get to have it both ways ignoring Donovan when he disagrees with you and ending debate with a quote when he agrees with you. Donovan statements certainly carry weight but they are not final say because he must his words.

2. If you can not say how many more games UF will lose with Harris not injured, by what basis to you say it is a serious set back for UF?

[tupacbiff]

1. I am not the board. I view coaches comments a one bit of evidence. Also you do not get to have it both ways ignoring Donovan when he disagrees with you and ending debate with a quote when he agrees with you. Donovan statements certainly carry weight but they are not final say because he must his words.

2. If you can not say how many more games UF will lose with Harris not injured, by what basis to you say it is a serious set back for UF?

1. I get to do whatever I want despite what you say. That is the benefit of being who I am.

However, I do find it curious that billy cited nearly identical reasons as I stated. It was like he read my post right before commenting. So I'll take the credit for being spot on.

2. Our team may not be as good as we can be because of this injury. As a result our chances of winning a national title are diminished thus a significant blow like billy said.

Or I can just blame any loss on his injury. So prepare for but for Harris injury we would have won.

[tilly]

You are wrong and I am right. Billy called this a "significant loss" for the team. So billy basically cited the same reasoning as me. Wow, I guess I'm right again as I warned you.

http://m.gatorsports.com/article/20121018/articles/121019551/1056/center_harris_mulls_surgery

What do you expect him to say? The kid sucks so this is insignificant? Of course he said that.

This just in... coaches are 50% psychologist.

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[tupacbiff]

What do you expect him to say? The kid sucks so this is insignificant? Of course he said that.

This just in... coaches are 50% psychologist.

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I expected him to talk about the injury and it's impact. I doubt you expected him to basicly quote me.

Gee I'm right again as expected.

Plus you have never stated specifically why you disagree so I'll just assume you are incapable of Doing so.

[oneatatime]

It's a bigger blow for Harris in terms of losing development time than it is to this years team. We begin games in less than a month and once the season starts guy's that aren't playing don't really impact winning and losing so much. Glad Patric has had him to compete against these past few months.

Playing against other player's provides reference points for development. Once game's start those reference points come from film vs opponents more so than practice.

I think this has less effect on the team, but more on the development of both Young and Harris. Again, glad they have had time to practice against one another, because thought Young's development without Macklin last year was limited.

I also have hope that both return here for the 2013-2014 season healthy and strong.

[tupacbiff]

I think this has less effect on the team, but more on the development of both Young and Harris. Again, glad they have had time to practice against one another, because thought Young's development without Macklin last year was limited.

I also have hope that both return here for the 2013-2014 season healthy and strong.

Is young not part of the team? Did I miss some big news?

Are we a better team if young is an all American or just a solid player? Thus couldn't you extrapolate that young being a better player does have a great impact on this team?

[swampgas44]

Tupac is becoming so thin skinned and sensitive. His feminine side is trying to make an appearance. The use of extrapolation is impressive, though. :happy:

[DeBigLeezard]

Ladies!
Ladies!

Can't we all just get along?
I feel like I am in the waiting room of doctor who specializes in paremenapausal women.

(I have actually gone to those waiting rooms... by the way.
Bunch of women in their 50's...sitting around with angry faces on.

Meanwhile there is a huge big screen TV on one wall.
Playing beautiful Caribbean beach scenes with rolling waves, palm trees and seagulls flying through the air.
No one says a word....)

[tilly]

I expected him to talk about the injury and it's impact. I doubt you expected him to basicly quote me.

Gee I'm right again as expected.

Plus you have never stated specifically why you disagree so I'll just assume you are incapable of Doing so.


Tupac - I disagree because I have never seen a commentary at the end of a season break down a missing practice player as a reason a team did or did not achieve its objectives. Never. Not one time. I think that Coach is saying something relative. Yes it would be a help to have him there. But a major loss is when a top 5 pick leaves early...not when a guy misses practice for games he will never play in anyway.

Loss? Sure. He could help develop other guys.
Major loss? I disagree.

[tupacbiff]

Tupac - I disagree because I have never seen a commentary at the end of a season break down a missing practice player as a reason a team did or did not achieve its objectives. Never. Not one time. I think that Coach is saying something relative. Yes it would be a help to have him there. But a major loss is when a top 5 pick leaves early...not when a guy misses practice for games he will never play in anyway.

Loss? Sure. He could help develop other guys.
Major loss? I disagree.

Thank you for the concise reply.

It doesn't change that I am right but appreciate the retort.

[themistocles]

OK guys, let me chime in. I will attempt to be "rational" here, something that is not always present on boards and among emotional sports fans in general.

When you have multiple big men in practice, it allows you to do things you simply cannot do without them.

Tough practices tend to make for better performance in games.

Harris would have made life considerably more difficult for interior offense, thereby modeling situations the Gators will find themselves in when playing top teams.

Without Harris, the key defensive pressure inside must come from Yeguete, unless DFS is an outstanding defensive player, because you certainly cain't expect either Larson or Murphy to emulate Harris. Perhaps Prather or Walker, but they are even shorter than Yeguete.

So, it is an "Important" loss for the team.

However, I would likely stop short of using the term HUGE, which is a pretty Colossal, perhaps even a Gargantuan or Titanic term. I think a more appropriate and less inflaming term would be either LARGE, or BIG.

Using terms like HUGE is much like when one says: "Never" or "Always," when speaking of humans, which are essentially impossible statements. Even Pretty Huge would be better than simply making such a statement.

[tupacbiff]

Spot on except for the huge part

[REM08]

This is a huge blow to our team. It was extremely important for young especially but all guys to practice against him. He is prob the best shot blocker we would face all yr.

Since everyone else is disagreeing with you, I may as well point out the inaccurate statement about where he would rank as a shot blocker. Noel has been cleared to play. You can disagree with me or we can wait 2 years and do the math.

[tupacbiff]

Since everyone else is disagreeing with you, I may as well point out the inaccurate statement about where he would rank as a shot blocker. Noel has been cleared to play. You can disagree with me or we can wait 2 years and do the math.

Wrong. Noel will not be the shot blocker of Harris caliber.

[REM08]

Wrong. Noel will not be the shot blocker of Harris caliber.

I see you chose the second option. I'll hold onto his stat sheet from this year, you show me Harris' after next year. We'll let the mathematicians around here decide. I'm not trying to bash Harris, I understand he's a very good shot blocker. Your problem is that his best season averaged less than half the blocks per game of Anthony Davis. Either you don't think Noel's shot blocking ability compares at all to that of Davis (the rest of his game does not - granted) or you think Harris will make a tremendous jump over the course of two seasons (no doubt he'll improve). Either, I guess, is a fine assumption. The numbers will just show that its the wrong assumption.

[rserina]

Melodramatic drama queen