Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

[GatorFan89]

Comes out in one week!!! I. Cannot. Wait!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSL-r9AIEEU

[yarmond1]

4 days. I think Oblivion is the best game I have ever played. I fully expect Skyrim to top that!!

[GatorFan89]

Yep! I expect it to top Oblivion, Oblivion was awesome, Morrowind was my favorite so if it can top Morrowind, it will be easily one of my top 3 games ever. I fully expect it to.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Ive pre-ordered Skyrim and ill give it a shot. Didnt get that far in Oblivion.

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[LeafUF]

I cant wait for Skyrim but I am so torn on whether or not to get it right away.

I am just about finished with Arkham but I have Uncharted sitting unopened in my room. I think I will pick up Skyrim and wait til I finish Uncharted before I get started. I know once I do it will be a while before I play something else.

[GatorFan89]

I cant wait for Skyrim but I am so torn on whether or not to get it right away.

I am just about finished with Arkham but I have Uncharted sitting unopened in my room. I think I will pick up Skyrim and wait til I finish Uncharted before I get started. I know once I do it will be a while before I play something else.

Yeah same here. I probably won't touch BF3 once I have Skyrim, then the Tuesday after Skyrim, Saints Row 3 comes out and I will get it and probably not touch it until I beat Skyrim.

Also, did you see Leaf, the main quest in Skyrim is supposedly around 30 hours long!? That's awesome, considering it's the last thing I do because I usually do guild quests first.

Also, what race do you usually play as?

[LeafUF]

Yeah same here. I probably won't touch BF3 once I have Skyrim, then the Tuesday after Skyrim, Saints Row 3 comes out and I will get it and probably not touch it until I beat Skyrim.

Also, did you see Leaf, the main quest in Skyrim is supposedly around 30 hours long!? That's awesome, considering it's the last thing I do because I usually do guild quests first.

Also, what race do you usually play as?

Oblivion was my entry into the series and I played through that as an imperial and a dark elf.

With a 30 hour main quest alone how long will it take to finish the standard game? Not to mention inevitable dlc.

[GatorFan89]

Oblivion was my entry into the series and I played through that as an imperial and a dark elf.

With a 30 hour main quest alone how long will it take to finish the standard game? Not to mention inevitable dlc.

Damn, that's a good question man. I figure you get probably 10-15 hours per guild questline if you take your time on them. There's like 10 guilds total I think, but you can only play like 5-7 of them, as for joinable ones, there's the Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Winterhold (Mages Guild), Imperial Legion, the Companions (Fighter's Guild) and a couple that I don't remember. There are some that you can't join like Necromancers, Daedric Worship and like one or two more.

So you figure there's only five, that's 50 hours for guilds if you do all of them, plus the main story which would make it around 80. I usually do like the Fighter's Guild, the Imperial Legion and I might do the Mage/Winterhold guild, I usually don't do Mage stuff cuz I never use magic except for Destruction once in a while, I like my swords and shields.

Also, vampirism is back and... WEREWOLVES! The weres look badass too, I saw a video of one. They're the big f**king hybrid human ones, and you can become one, too. They're tall and really built, in the video a guy turned into a werewolf and slaughtered a bunch of people.

Also, I guess the werewolf transformations aren't forced, either. So if you catch the Lycanthropy disease you don't get forced into turning into one at night, instead you just change at will when you want to.

[LeafUF]

Ill easily play 100 hours. I can see myself doing all the guilds and assorted other stuff. I did the vamp thing on oblivion and actually had a good time with it. Not much of a magic user either I like getting into a brawl so I rarely use any distance attacks.

[Ericgraves]

Ummm you are getting some bad info. Skyrims and oblivions main storyline can be finished in under 5 hours. Oblivions main storyline was actually very easy to do in 5 hours.

This game will be amazing. Unfortunately because they have changed the leveling system it is more accessible which I don't agree with. Controlled leveling was a labor of love and it easily added 200% to the game time. But I truly loved the game.

I will be getting the collectors edition. Would rather have a 200 page artbook of elder scrolls than any other game out there. And yes 360 for me, but the 360 was the primary development and is getting dlc early. Just thought people would like to know.

[GatorFan89]

Ummm you are getting some bad info. Skyrims and oblivions main storyline can be finished in under 5 hours. Oblivions main storyline was actually very easy to do in 5 hours.

Maybe if you speed run it, most people take their time. It took me probably 20 hours to complete Oblivion's storyline, I played through it over a month. I had over 50 hours in the game though over a two month period, the first 30 were getting to level 20 and doing some of the guilds/exploring and the other 20 were the main quest.

It'll probably take me around 25-30 to get through Skyrim's main quest, but that's after I do all my exploring/levelling/guilds stuff.

I am disappointed that none of the houses exhist anymore and Bethesda hasn't brought the concept back, in Morrowind they had the Great Houses: Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni that you could join, which basically served as political parties in the province. They had some really fun quests.

@Leaf, I never played as a vampire in any of them. I did get turned into a werewolf in Morrowind, but I caught the vamp disease in Oblivion but did the quest to cure it because I didn't want to be stuck as one, because weren't you stuck as a vamp after a certain amount of time passes?

[LeafUF]

Trying to remember but I think I was eventually able to cure it after playing that way format while.

Would rather get the game for 360 but mine is in storage in DC so I think it'll be ps3 for me.

[GatorFan89]

Unfortunately because they have changed the leveling system it is more accessible which I don't agree with. Controlled leveling was a labor of love and it easily added 200% to the game time. But I truly loved the game.

I do agree there. Morrowind was my favorite Elder Scrolls game and besides all of the stuff in that game, one of the things that was so cool is the levelling system, because enemies did not level up with you in Morrowind, all of the enemies were a certain level. So you HAD to take your time and level up before you could do the main quest. Most of the guilds you could get done pretty easily if you were between 10-15, but there was no way you were going to get through the main quest with a character under level 25.

I just started replaying Morrowind and my character is at level 14 and there are still a ton of places I can't go because I will get my ass absolutely handed to me. I was playing on Sunday with my Lvl 14 person and I stumbled into a Daedric Ruin and there was a Daedroth in there (the big alligator things) and he whooped my ass in under 10 seconds.

I think the werewolves in Morrowind are all in the high 20s, more powerful ones being in the low 30s, so you can't even fight a werewolf until you're over level 30 unless you are a magic-based class and can stay back and throw fireballs at them because they dish out the damage if you try to brawl.

But to complete the main quest you have to have a very high level character because in the final battle Dagoth Ur deals out damage like it's nothing, provided you can't even kill him because he's immortal until you destroy the Heart of Lorkhan to remove his invulnerability and even then, his magic attacks are still devastating.

[Ericgraves]

Maybe if you speed run it, most people take their time. It took me probably 20 hours to complete Oblivion's storyline, I played through it over a month. I had over 50 hours in the game though over a two month period, the first 30 were getting to level 20 and doing some of the guilds/exploring and the other 20 were the main quest.
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It'll probably take me around 25-30 to get through Skyrim's main quest, but that's after I do all my exploring/levelling/guilds stuff.

I am disappointed that none of the houses exhist anymore and Bethesda hasn't brought the concept back, in Morrowind they had the Great Houses: Hlaalu, Redoran and Telvanni that you could join, which basically served as political parties in the province. They had some really fun quests.

@Leaf, I never played as a vampire in any of them. I did get turned into a werewolf in Morrowind, but I caught the vamp disease in Oblivion but did the quest to cure it because I didn't want to be stuck as one, because weren't you stuck as a vamp after a certain amount of time passes?

The houses are integral to the history of morrowind and are the ruling families of the dark elves. It would not have made sense for them to be in oblivion in any major capacity. The empires home was tamriel. They took over morrowind and pushed out the great houses.

[Ericgraves]

And I was more referencing the length of the main quest. And not speed runs you can just play the main quest line and beat it in 5 hours. But just wanted to point out main quest is actually extremely short.

Taking your time means doing side quests which shouldn't count towards the length of the main quest.

[GatorFan89]

I just hope for them to flesh out Alduin, the main dragon. I'm sure they will because he is supposed to be integral to the story. The problem I had with Oblivion's main quest was that they never said anything about Mehrunes Dagon, who was the main bad guy. He was supposedly the big badass Daedric Lord of Destruction and when you finally see him at the end it's just like whatever. Because you don't learn much about him, except he's a Daedric Prince and he's powerful. Plus the final battle was so anticlimactic. Dagon comes out and then Septim turns into a fire dragon and bites him in the neck. Lol.

They did it right in Morrowind, with Dagoth Ur. You never got to meet Dagoth until the end of the game, but they fleshed him out SO MUCH through the game. They gave you backstory on him, why he is the way he is and they hyped him up so much to be this powerful Demi-God, which he was. So as you'd get further into the game you were getting more and more eager to meet Dagoth Ur.

And when you did finally meet him it was nothing short of amazing not to mention one of the most badass boss fights ever. You vs. Dagoth Ur inside of a volcano? Hell yes!

[Sir_Gibby]

2.5 days!

[GatorFan89]

2.5 days!

That's 2.5 days too long :no:

[Potzer01]

34 hours?

[Ericgraves]

I just hope for them to flesh out Alduin, the main dragon. I'm sure they will because he is supposed to be integral to the story. The problem I had with Oblivion's main quest was that they never said anything about Mehrunes Dagon, who was the main bad guy. He was supposedly the big badass Daedric Lord of Destruction and when you finally see him at the end it's just like whatever. Because you don't learn much about him, except he's a Daedric Prince and he's powerful. Plus the final battle was so anticlimactic. Dagon comes out and then Septim turns into a fire dragon and bites him in the neck. Lol.

They did it right in Morrowind, with Dagoth Ur. You never got to meet Dagoth until the end of the game, but they fleshed him out SO MUCH through the game. They gave you backstory on him, why he is the way he is and they hyped him up so much to be this powerful Demi-God, which he was. So as you'd get further into the game you were getting more and more eager to meet Dagoth Ur.

And when you did finally meet him it was nothing short of amazing not to mention one of the most badass boss fights ever. You vs. Dagoth Ur inside of a volcano? Hell yes!

Actually it is pretty crazy to fight Mehrunes Dagon. Mehrunes was not only in Oblivion but is talked about in morrowind and daggerfall. You should read the books lying around more, one book paints him as the god of rape even. In comparison Dagoth Ur was once a mortal.

Furthermore it is actually possible to kill Mehrunes yourself. Especially if you have done one particular daedric prince quest.

But morrowind did have a better build up to the end battle but I believe that mainly to be due to level design. You were always circling this big mountain, without progressing through the main quest you didn't have much chance in there. Everything you did in the main quest of morrowind was because of Dagoth, in Oblivion it is all because of Mehrunes but you don't have the bad guys reminding you every ten seconds.

The game designers wanted the main quest in Oblivion to be more like a buffet, meaning take as little or as much as you want. I believe they are going back to a morrowind approach for Skyrim but not 100% sure.

Also people who obtained the game early have said it is one of the most polished titles bethesda has released and that it is going to live up to its hype for the people who already love it. So the only question is: Who else is getting the frigging dragon statue edition?!?!?!

[GatorFan89]

Actually it is pretty crazy to fight Mehrunes Dagon. Mehrunes was not only in Oblivion but is talked about in morrowind and daggerfall. You should read the books lying around more, one book paints him as the god of rape even. In comparison Dagoth Ur was once a mortal.

Furthermore it is actually possible to kill Mehrunes yourself. Especially if you have done one particular daedric prince quest.

But morrowind did have a better build up to the end battle but I believe that mainly to be due to level design. You were always circling this big mountain, without progressing through the main quest you didn't have much chance in there. Everything you did in the main quest of morrowind was because of Dagoth, in Oblivion it is all because of Mehrunes but you don't have the bad guys reminding you every ten seconds.

The game designers wanted the main quest in Oblivion to be more like a buffet, meaning take as little or as much as you want. I believe they are going back to a morrowind approach for Skyrim but not 100% sure.

Also people who obtained the game early have said it is one of the most polished titles bethesda has released and that it is going to live up to its hype for the people who already love it. So the only question is: Who else is getting the frigging dragon statue edition?!?!?!

I'm just getting the standard edition, but I can't wait. Man, I've never been a fan of RPGS aside from Deus Ex, Mass Effect, Fallout and Elder Scrolls, but Elder Scrolls is the first RPG I ever played. It's always been one of my favorite series and I can't believe we get the fifth one in a day!

Hearing that it's polished well makes me happy, and it will probably exceed the hype for me.

I've heard not only is the main questline like Morrowind's, where you're preparing to fight Alduin, but also the game as a whole is more like Morrowind. Tons of weapons and armor. Plus, they said the levelling system is more like Morrowinds, but not as brutal, it is more in line with Fallout's system.

This may be my most anticipated game this year. Battlefield 3 is the best mutliplayer game for me, but the best single player game comes out on 11-11-11 and that is Skyrim.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

I've actually never played any of the elder scrolls games. However, after looking at some videos and trailers of Skyrim, I'm intrigued.

What I want know is, are all the games linked? If I want to play Skyrim, should I go out and play all the other Elder Scrolls games first, or are all the games independent (like most final fantasy games)? Or will Skyrim provide enough of a back story that I wouldn't really need to play the others?

[Ericgraves]

I've actually never played any of the elder scrolls games. However, after looking at some videos and trailers of Skyrim, I'm intrigued.

What I want know is, are all the games linked? If I want to play Skyrim, should I go out and play all the other Elder Scrolls games first, or are all the games independent (like most final fantasy games)? Or will Skyrim provide enough of a back story that I wouldn't really need to play the others?

That venture would take a few months.

They are in the same universe but the storyline aren't connected. There will be many books in the world which will contain information about past games. So you will be able to enjoy it solo.

[GatorFan89]

@Swamp, pretty much what Eric said.

None of the stories are connected, but just for the hell of it I'd recommend playing Oblivion, after you're done with Skyrim. Oblivion was and still is an awesome game, and so is Morrowind for that matter, but Morrowind is old so I'm not sure how you'd feel about it.

[Ericgraves]

Morrowind has received a fan based hd update and many unofficial patches which don't add content but improve the core experience. I am not one to like game mods, but for once I don't think they detract from the game.

But skyrim should be the definitive elder scrolls.

[GatorFan89]

Morrowind has received a fan based hd update and many unofficial patches which don't add content but improve the core experience. I am not one to like game mods, but for once I don't think they detract from the game.

But skyrim should be the definitive elder scrolls.

Definitely. I actually have been playing Morrowind with the graphics update mod, it definitely makes the game feel fresh and in terms of graphics I'd say I have it tweaked to look better than Oblivion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r6hilB6Dlc

That is what I am using, although it actually looks a little better for me because I have an extremely powerful PC so I can raise some of the stuff a lot higher beyond what their recommended settings are.

[Crono139]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwuhVL1J1fQ

[GatorFan89]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwuhVL1J1fQ

Holy **** that looks good.

[Sir_Gibby]

Less than 16 hours!

[Ericgraves]

1 day. Because of amazon release day shipping.

200 page art book. I can't wait. Probably will play it for 24 straight. Take my time and still beat the game by Monday.

[yarmond1]

Why would you want to race to beat this game? I bought the goty edition of Oblivion (3 yr ago?) and I actually just completely finished it 2 months ago. I didn't play it everyday and did take long breaks from it but I still had almost 200 hrs play time. I love wandering around and finding different people, camps or caves. You never know what new quests can be found and where they will lead you.

I am having a hard time deciding what or how I want to play. In Oblivion I was sword and board with a bit of restoration and destruction. This time I would like to go pure magic user or maybe hand to hand. Have any of you played in these styles and if so how was it? How are you guys planning on building your character? Man, can't wait to pick it up tonight!!!

[Ericgraves]

Ok reviews are coming in. Metacritic lists the 360 version at a 95 with 24 reviews. Which means batman arkham city has a serious rival for goty. I know my life will be saved digitally this weekend.

[LeafUF]

Are there any head to heads out there between PS3 and 360?

I am kinda concerned that there are so many more 360 reviews than PS3 and at least on metacritic. The reviews that do appear under PS3 are also under 360. IGN says they were not sent an advance copy at all, was anyone?

[jcp]

Tomorrow can't come soon enough.


I will be playing the 360 version.

[GatorFan89]

Are there any head to heads out there between PS3 and 360?

I am kinda concerned that there are so many more 360 reviews than PS3 and at least on metacritic. The reviews that do appear under PS3 are also under 360. IGN says they were not sent an advance copy at all, was anyone?

Usually multiplatform games are better on the 360, because they use it as the main console for development. This is the same with Skyrim, 360 was the lead console, so you'd probably be best off getting it on Xbox.

[LeafUF]

Usually multiplatform games are better on the 360, because they use it as the main console for development. This is the same with Skyrim, 360 was the lead console, so you'd probably be best off getting it on Xbox.

Yeah only problem is my xbox is in a storage unit in Washington DC and I am in Las Vegas.

I am honestly debating just getting a new XBOX with Skyrim. I have a bunch of games I can trade in and I think they are offering a $60 gift card with a system purchase.

I was really hoping to read some reviews today and maybe a head to head comparison to see if I wanted to do that or if I was being ridiculous.

[Ericgraves]

By all reports the 360 version is the best (even vs pc).

Add to that the "vast" amount of dlc will be xbox exclusive for a month before going to other consoles. If you have a choice, and don't care about the mod community, then get the 360 version.

The playstation 3 version was a 91 on meta critic last I checked.

[LeafUF]

By all reports the 360 version is the best (even vs pc).

Add to that the "vast" amount of dlc will be xbox exclusive for a month before going to other consoles. If you have a choice, and don't care about the mod community, then get the 360 version.

The playstation 3 version was a 91 on meta critic last I checked.

Couldn't just tell me that the ps3 version will be fine and there is nothing to worry about?

My Xbox is pretty old and getting a new one is cheaper than going to get my old one. And this is how we begin to justify wants over needs.

[Ericgraves]

The ps3 version will be a great game. Arguing over console is splitting hairs, should be used as a tie breaker nothing more. More reviews are coming in for the ps3 I expect all scores to be equal end of day.

[Ericgraves]

Really sorry if I gave the impression that console was a big deal. Probably biased by the fact my console of choice is the winner at the moment.

Really does not matter. If you favor the ps3 get the ps3. I bought the game for two of my friends who had both had xboxes but they prefer pc games, so I got them the pc version. That shows how strongly I feel about console differences.

[LeafUF]

Really sorry if I gave the impression that console was a big deal. Probably biased by the fact my console of choice is the winner at the moment.

Really does not matter. If you favor the ps3 get the ps3. I bought the game for two of my friends who had both had xboxes but they prefer pc games, so I got them the pc version. That shows how strongly I feel about console differences.

No worries, I am just messing around. I am not a console fan boy at all. I have had both 360 and PS3 for a long time. Heck going back to NES days I had both a Genesis and a Nintendo. And I still have a 360, just circumstances have led to it being out of my grasp at the moment. I relocated back in April and because of my job I put my things in storage for what was supposed to be a short time. However, I traveled so much that I never had a chance to settle in and ended up out west in a furnished place. At the time I moved I took my PS3 because it was also my blu ray player and I figured I would be back to get the rest of my stuff before this became an issue.

Truth is I would rather get this game on XBOX as I dont think I have ever played an RPG on PS3. Oblivion, both of the recent Fallouts and Mass Effect were all 360 for me. Still, not sure I want to drop a couple hundred bucks just because I can when I could just as easily pay $60 and still get the game I want.

[Ericgraves]

How can I still not fully understand the game's scope after 60 hours? I'll give you a rare specific example, which you're more than welcome to skip. In one of the countless treasure chests I looted, I found a mysterious stone. No sooner had I dropped it into my inventory and walked away than the stone started speaking to me and ordering me to become its "weapon of light" and cleanse its temple. This was 30 hours into the game and this kind of craziness was still going on.

How many more paths like the one above could I have found with infinite time to play? I have no clue, and it's sort of beside the point. Bethesda has created one of the only games I can recall where the world is so steeped in "stuff to do" it creates the illusion of a world completely without limit. Its scope defies the very notion of "completion" as we've come to think of it relating to games.



It may seem by-the-numbers, but it's actually a fairly revolutionary idea in terms of a role-playing game. There are no base attributes. No intelligence, no strength. The only thing holding you back from being the best swordsman in Tamriel is a few hours of practice.


Can any fan of RPGs amongst us deny the fact that we are on the eve of the release of a truly remarkable game? In the future we will look back on this game the way we look back on final fantasy 7 or chrono trigger.

[GatorFan89]

Can any fan of RPGs amongst us deny the fact that we are on the eve of the release of a truly remarkable game? In the future we will look back on this game the way we look back on final fantasy 7 or chrono trigger.

Some reviews are saying it is the best game of this generation of consoles, and honestly, I don't doubt that. I CAN'T F**KING WAIT! Only 10 more hours!

[GatorFan89]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GgjHoOYkU

[Ericgraves]

Negative eight hours!

[GatorFan89]

Negative eight hours!

I played it for an hour last night, really, really enjoyed it. I did spend like 20 mins making my character though lol. The game is amazing, though. The graphics honestly aren't that good, but the gameplay is amazing, bar none one of the best games I've played, and I can confidently say that after only playing it for an hour.

[jcp]

By all reports the 360 version is the best (even vs pc).

Now, that statement really surprises me.

I do love my 360 and that is where I will be playing Skyrim... But in all honesty RPG's usually play way better on a PC... And I am not talking about graphics only; I am talking about controls, interaction options, inventory management, etc.

So if the 360 version is superior... Hey, I am all for it! :D

[jcp]

UPS just delivered my copy here at work. :D

Aghhh, now just 4 hours to go home... AGGGHHHH!!!!!

[Ericgraves]

The 360 version controls better. This game was designed for the 360. The pc version controls aren't well thought out.

[gatorr4life]

Playing Battlefield right now. What's next is a toss up: uncharted or Skyrum. I think I might get uncharted, since I know Skyrum is going to be a looooooong game. I like playing one at a time. Especially with games like Skyrum.

[gatorr4life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GgjHoOYkU

I dont think this video has enough blood and killing in it. Very disappointing! Lol

[LeafUF]

Playing Battlefield right now. What's next is a toss up: uncharted or Skyrum. I think I might get uncharted, since I know Skyrum is going to be a looooooong game. I like playing one at a time. Especially with games like Skyrum.

Had to make the same decision and went with uncharted. Only been playing for a few days and I'm hooked. Ill probably finish it this weekend and then move on to skyrim which will probably own my life until its warm again.

[gatorr4life]

The playstation 3 version was a 91 on meta critic last I checked.

I just checked, it's 95.

[gatorr4life]

Had to make the same decision and went with uncharted. Only been playing for a few days and I'm hooked. Ill probably finish it this weekend and then move on to skyrim which will probably own my life until its warm again.

Well, I'm going to be on battlefield for at least another month and 1/2. (platinum) Dont think I can hold out that long, though. I'm a HUGE fan of uncharted. This is going to drive me nuts!

[LeafUF]

Well, I'm going to be on battlefield for at least another month and 1/2. (platinum) Dont think I can hold out that long, though. I'm a HUGE fan of uncharted. This is going to drive me nuts!

Yeah it's incredible the games out right now. Finished arkham city earlier this week and have battlefield 3 but I'm gonna trade it in for skyrim. I am just not big on fps and I suck at them way too much to do the multiplayer.

Uncharted is the reason I bought my ps3 in the first place and the sequels do not disappoint.

[gatorr4life]

Uncharted 2 is one the greatest games I have ever played... PERIOD. just flat incredible. But enough with the hijacking of this thread! Lol

[Crono139]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5aUdijAN8

[Ericgraves]

Finally got my game.

It lives up to the hype.

[GatorFan89]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5aUdijAN8

Wow, lol.

Also, just a warning, don't kill chickens in this game. I've heard of people killing chickens then getting chased out by an entire town because it turns out the chicken belonged to somebody.

I've played this game for probably 6 hours today, which is a lot for me. I never play games for longer than 2 hours at a time, Skyrim has me HOOKED! Game of the year, easily. Last time I played a game for more than 6 hours in a day was Fallout 3 the day it came out. Skyrim might surpass that. There's been so many times today where I was like OK, I've been playing too much video games today, I'm going to go find something else to do, and then I'm like, well, I guess another hour won't hurt. I did that like 3 times lol.

As for the game, playing as an Imperial, I always play as them. I'm a level 6 I think right now. Usually I just stick to swords and shields, nothing else, in every one of the TES games. This time, since there's no more class system, everything you do levels you up, which is nice. I'm using magic a lot more. Destruction has specifically saved my ass many times. I don't think I ever used a healing spell once in Morrowind or Oblivion, but I've used it at least 3 times today. Like I said, magic has saved my ass a few times today, I've been in situations where my sword/shield just won't help me unless I throw in some fire/lightning.

This game is like Morrowind more than Oblivion, it is absolutely brutal. Enemies are leveled differently from the start, so some areas have high leveled enemies and you can't go there until you're a higher level. I walked into a camp with some giants in it, one of them looked like he wasn't happy I was there, so I peaced the f**k out knowing I wasn't going to stand a chance against him if he got angry.

I love the executions/finishers. They are so cool to see and make you feel badass, my favorite is the superman stab, where your character lunges into the air with the sword and drives it through their chest.

Also, I haven't seen any dragons yet, aside from Alduin who you see in the beginning of the game. I'm guessing they don't show up until you start the main quest, like how the Oblivion Gates were in Oblivion? Either that or I just happened to be lucky and not fight one yet, and honestly I probably would get my ass whacked if I fought one anyways.

[Ericgraves]

Spoilers...

The dragons are a lie.

Wait, wrong game. The dragons can easily swoop in and lay down the law. One of their fire attacks put me out to pasture in a few seconds.

[Crono139]

Also, just a warning, don't kill chickens in this game. I've heard of people killing chickens then getting chased out by an entire town because it turns out the chicken belonged to somebody.

I killed the first chicken that I saw when I got to Whiterun but no one said anything.

When I returned to Riverwood and killed the first chicken that I saw once again, a bounty was put on my head.

[GatorFan89]

I killed the first chicken that I saw when I got to Whiterun but no one said anything.

When I returned to Riverwood and killed the first chicken that I saw once again, a bounty was put on my head.

No wonder they have bounties for them, everyone out there is trying to mass murder the damn chickens... :grin:

I've played for like 8 hours and I still haven't seen a dragon, do you have to start going through the main quest before they appear? I always do the main quest last, I'm doing the Companions right now, then Winterhold and then the Imperial Army and in between all of that probably lots of exploring, so it's safe to say I won't touch the main quest for a while. And can you still learn dragon shouts without starting the main quest, because that'd be pretty gay if I found a word for a shout and couldn't unlock the word until the quest starts.

Also, fought some vampers. Use fire on vampires, if you have a decent level destruction ability you should walk right through them, it's a huge weakness so even if they're leveled higher than you, just bring lots of magic restore potions and lay waste to them with fire. I try not to get close to them personally, cuz I'm thinking it's like Oblivion where a vamp can stab you and infect you with vampirism.

I also stumbled into some shrine for some ghost dude, I found him at the end and he handed me my ass like it was nothing, definitely the toughest thing I've fought so far. I had to leave and come back later, because he'd summon more ghosts and him alone was hard enough. Also, ghosts take damage from physical weapons, unlike Morrowind and Oblivion, so you can hit them with swords or whatever and they'll take damage.

[Ericgraves]

Yes must do main quest. You can't fight them solo until your level 15 or so. So yes main quest, but yeah have killed a few now. They really add to your power. Dragon shouts are amazing.

[GatorFan89]

Yes must do main quest. You can't fight them solo until your level 15 or so. So yes main quest, but yeah have killed a few now. They really add to your power. Dragon shouts are amazing.

I did find out you can learn the shout words without doing the main quest, I was in a dungeon for a mission for the Companions and there was a dragon shout word on the wall and I learned it.

I also saw my first werewolf, I didn't fight it but I got locked in a room and the guy I was with got surrounded by like 5 dudes and the guy turned into a werewolf and slaughtered them without even trying. I'm level 11 now or 10, don't remember.

How often do the dragons appear? I kind of figured after a while it might have to be the main quest, cuz I've been walking around in the open tundra a lot and never got to fight one.

This game is huge though, I haven't wandered too far from Whiterun yet, I've played probably like 9 hours or so in-game, I'm a level 11 and I still have 3/4 of the map I haven't even seen yet... Ridiculous. Most of my levelling though is from training, usually when I get around 1000 gold I'll go up someone who can train a skill and train until I hit the next level.

Plus I found those big stones that gives you blessings and I got the Warrior one so my fighting skills all go up 20% faster I think

[Ericgraves]

You can learn them yes. But in order to use and unlock new ones you need to kill dragons which start after dragons appear.

Dragons appear maybe once every two hours. And you shouldn't post spoilers on the companions quest line. I could tell you what happens with them but I don't because I don't want to spoil it.

[Ericgraves]

And I can confirm they wait for you outside dungeons. Every encounter is a terror filled run to anyone that can divert its attack away from me.

[Crono139]

I need a house already.

Sven and I can only carry so much.

[Ericgraves]

I need a house already.

Sven and I can only carry so much.

Yeah, bought one and couldn't find it.

If you buy at whiterun or whatever it is called it is the first house past the blacksmith that you see directly upon entering.


Its amazing how quickly books, potions and dragon scales/bones add up.

[GatorFan89]

My playtime is 7 hours and 30 minutes, I thought I've played it a lot more... Guess not. I'm level 12 now. Been exploring some more, I pretty much covered 3/4 of the tundra located outside of Whiterun, still have 3/4 of the map left to explore... The northern and southern regions around the Whiterun tundra and then the whole other side of the map.

I won't buy a house for a while, I probably don't even have enough gold, since my gold mainly just goes to training for levelling up. I usually don't even buy anything from the weapon sellers I just sell stuff I've found on bodies and in dungeons. As for weapons I usually just keep one that I find while searching dungeons and I stick with it. I've been using an Orcish sword/Orcish Greatsword for a while. I'm eager to see Ebony and Daedric weapons, but probably won't for a while.

The way the weapons are appearing with levelling, there is still Elven, Glass, Dwarven, Ebony and Daedric. Daedric probably won't even appear till the 30s at the way it's going.

The amount of unique weapons is awesome, though, the variety rivals Morrowind. I saw some of the bad hunter guys that have like homemade swords/bows/axes and stuff, they're pretty cool. The sword is a stick with like sharp stones all over it, and the axe, which is really sweet is a large branch with sabretooth cat teeth on the top of it.

[LeafUF]

I'm unsubscribing from this thread until I can get into this game some. Glad you all are enjoying it I just don't want to read too much more about it. Uncharted 3 is awesome and I don't want to just rush it out of anticipation for Skyrim. And there is a lot of shiny treasure to collect.

[Ericgraves]

You might want to refrain from jumping your level. Enemies still scale.

[bakaduin]

Yall are badly making me want to play this game but unfortunately there are not any reasonable rental options in Gainesville and I don't want to shell out the money to buy it.

[Ericgraves]

With the level of moral ambiguity in this game I am glad there is no karma system.

Its weird you can only do things which seem morally correct and next thing you know, you are a daedric loving werewolf. Happened to me.

[GatorFan89]

With the level of moral ambiguity in this game I am glad there is no karma system.

Its weird you can only do things which seem morally correct and next thing you know, you are a daedric loving werewolf. Happened to me.

Lol. They're not scaling too much, I've been going into caves and disposing of bandits like they're nothing. All of the things from the beginning that I saw that gave me a hard time get put on their ass real fast.

This game seems a lot more like Morrowind to me, except better. I'm still getting use to the fact I can't go some places because I will get slaughtered, like in Morrowind. In Oblivion I could fight just about anything with ease at level 14. In Skyrim, just like in Morrowind, there are still creatures that will hand me my ass right now. I got to the top of a peak and found a Dragon shout wall, only to turn around and be greeted by some friendly frost trolls, who proceeded to hand me my level 13 ass. Those things are tough, especially considering most of my level up increases have been applied to my health bar. At 14 in Oblivion I would have handled those bastards easy. But that's what I love about this game.

Also, here's a tip. If you're having trouble with a high level character in a fight, use a claymore if you have a high two handed skill. They will block A LOT, and by a lot I mean they will stand there and won't make much effort to stab or hit you, instead they'll block. I was having trouble with a Bandit Chieftain, so I ran out of the cave, regained my health, went back in and beat his ass to death with a claymore. The dude was in block mode the entire time. He did not once try to hit me, so I got kind of lucky. But if you start swinging a claymore, they will be more worried about blocking it than trying to hit you back, so just a tip. This is really only useful on people, animals obviously won't block and the undead don't do it either.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

So I got the game on the midnight release, and my freakin' girlfriend is further along into the game than I am....

[Ericgraves]

So I got the game on the midnight release, and my freakin' girlfriend is further along into the game than I am....

Is this good or bad?

[chrisleakfan4life]

Rented this game as i cannot pick it up until Tuesday for $$$$ reasons.

Great game, i was never into Elder Scrolls but this game is amazing.

Any guides for finding side quests or earning money???

[Swamp_of_Gators]

Is this good or bad?

Well, I meant, I'd like to play eventually.. lol

[GatorFan89]

I didn't think I'd find myself saying this, but I am. Skyrim is better than Morrowind, it is one of if not the best game I have ever played, period.

Morrowind was top 3 for me, all time. Skyrim might be #1. I can't think of a game where I've been this hooked and have enjoyed this much. I have 8 hours of in game time, in most games I'd have beaten the game already. In Skyrim, I haven't even began to scratch the surface. Total, I've played maybe two quests in total, both for the Companions.

I usually wander around to see if there's anything interesting, and what will happen is I'll be focused on going somewhere, when I'll come by a dungeon/cave or something and be like "well I gotta check this place out."

[Ericgraves]

There are an infinite number of quests. I am not exaggerating. The game randomly creates many of the quests based on your style of play.

[GatorFan89]

I can't be bothered with quests right now, I'm exploring. And I can decapitate now, awesome. Found a Dwemer ruin, but was disappointed that it was only a bridge and a small altar, so I couldn't go inside and get my ass handed to me by a Steam Centurion. I've been looking for dragon shout words and have found quite a few, I have over 5 now I think. I just found the slow-mo one.

[Ericgraves]

Words don't matter without the souls of dragons.

Its like having a bunch of guns but no bullets.

[GatorFan89]

Words don't matter without the souls of dragons.

Its like having a bunch of guns but no bullets.

I know, but I'll have a ton of words saved for when I finally start absorbing their souls. That's what I'm doing right now, looking for shout words so when I start the main quest I'll have words ready for after I take their souls.

Also, eric do you know where to start the Civil War questline? I want to start that one pretty soon, I know you can join either the Stormcloaks or Imperial Army, I'm playing as an Imperial as I always do in TES games, so I'd prefer to join the Imperial Army, unless playing as the Stormcloaks gives you some crazy good benefits.

And btw, giants are retarded. One tried to fight me and I just stood on a rock and pelted his dumb ass with fire, he just stood there and looked at me like he was lost while I burned him and then when I got his health low I jumped off and stabbed him a few times. So if you ever get into a fight with one, just stand on a moderately sized rock and shoot fire or something at it, because they're dumb and don't know wtf to do for some reason when you stand on a rock

[Ericgraves]

I really think you are shooting yourself in the foot. Dragon encounters are amazing and I love the fact they can always happen (even in towns). Furthermore there are dungeon puzzles which can only be solved with shouts.

As for the civil war, it is in solitude. The in game map marks its location though...

[GatorFan89]

I really think you are shooting yourself in the foot. Dragon encounters are amazing and I love the fact they can always happen (even in towns). Furthermore there are dungeon puzzles which can only be solved with shouts.

As for the civil war, it is in solitude. The in game map marks its location though...

Hmm, I might get the quest started then, just enough to where dragons will start appearing, then I'll go on doing my normal stuff.

I also love how all of the dungeons, forts, caves and ruins feel unique. Each one feels like a new place, in Oblivion after you'd seen one cave, dungeon or whatever, you've seen all of them. In Skyrim everything is like new.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Man i tried to get help from a friend to get up to high hroathguard or w/e its called(up in the mountains) and his instructions sucked.


I was able to google an answer and found a very direct route.


For not being a fan of oblivion, i love Skyrim.

[Ericgraves]

Man i tried to get help from a friend to get up to high hroathguard or w/e its called(up in the mountains) and his instructions sucked.


I was able to google an answer and found a very direct route.


For not being a fan of oblivion, i love Skyrim.

If you pre-ordered then you got a physical map, the physical map actually shows the most direct routes between locations.

[bakaduin]

This thread made me sign up for Gamefly yesterday. So at some point over the next few months I will get to play it.

[sneakygator]

There are an infinite number of quests. I am not exaggerating. The game randomly creates many of the quests based on your style of play.

I read that too. Crazy big game and awesome as well.

[chrisleakfan4life]

If you pre-ordered then you got a physical map, the physical map actually shows the most direct routes between locations.

I did pre order and im picking it up on Tuesday, was the map inside the case?

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[chrisleakfan4life]

This thread made me sign up for Gamefly yesterday. So at some point over the next few months I will get to play it.

You can rent the game from Redbox for $2 a day

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[Crono139]

I did pre order and im picking it up on Tuesday, was the map inside the case?

Yes, the map is in the case. High quality material, too.

There are quite a few red X's on the map. Haven't checked any of them out yet.

[bakaduin]

You can rent the game from Redbox for $2 a day

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2 bucks a day adds up really quick which is why I ended up going with Gamefly. I mean even if you were able to plow through the game in a week (which I doubt I could) that is 14 bucks. I picked up 2 months of Gamefly for 16 bucks so much cheaper in the long run.

[GatorFan89]

Spellcasters are a major pain in my ass in this game. Nothing like trucking through a bunch of scrubs who think they can go toe to toe with me with my dual swords and then coming to some puss spellcaster who shoots ice at me and flees whenever I get close to them.

Conjurers and Necromancers are the most annoying, especially conjurers, they're weak as hell but it gets aggravating when they shoot me with their fire and then I get close and they summon on Atronoach which dishes out damage like crazy.

I did get the werewolf disease though, I went into a vampire infested cave knowing I couldn't catch vampirism and proceeded to slaughter all of those vampers as a wolfie. Werewolfs don't play no games.

[Ericgraves]

Elder scrolls is not a good redbox game. You either have to rush through it or pay more than gamefly. Plus with gamefly... oops I lost it in the mail.

On master this game is hard as hell. The mobs are always easy, but the dungeon bosses are just ten times as difficult. Werewolf is not worth it because you can dish out enough damage before you get killed and you can't open your heal menu. But this is good because it emphasizes the new combat system which is more strategy based. Soloed a dragon today, on master took about 30 minutes and involved a lot of running, hiding and using my dragon shouts smart.

I honestly have never been this happy with a video game.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Yeah im only renting it for a couple days until i can pick it up.

I wouldnt use redbox long term either, but gamefly blows you wont see that game for a long time.

I had a game at the top my list for 4 months and i never got it so i cancelled their service.

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[bakaduin]

Yeah im only renting it for a couple days until i can pick it up.

I wouldnt use redbox long term either, but gamefly blows you wont see that game for a long time.

I had a game at the top my list for 4 months and i never got it so i cancelled their service.

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Unfortunately it is the only reasonable option. There are no blockbusters in Gainesville, Redbox just doesn't work for games you want more than a week, and I'm not a fan of buying games that aren't like Call of Duty/Madden with infinite replay.

[LeafUF]

Unfortunately it is the only reasonable option. There are no blockbusters in Gainesville, Redbox just doesn't work for games you want more than a week, and I'm not a fan of buying games that aren't like Call of Duty/Madden with infinite replay.

I tried Gamefly for a while when Arkham Asylum came out and I hated it. It takes forever to get the games you want and unless you plan on going through a bunch of crappy games that you dont care about its really not worth the price.

For me it has always just been better to find deals or trade in games at Gamestop.

[chrisleakfan4life]

The best/cheapest way to sell and buy games is ultimately on Ebay or Craigslist.

I've got games that were going for $44-$54 at Gamestop for $20-$25.

You could probably pick up Skyrim for around $40 off Ebay right now i bet.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Finally picked up Skyrim, hopefully the map is useful.

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[gatorr4life]

No way you find Skyrum for $40. eBay is overrated for good deals, IMO. I used to buy off them at one time.

[Ericgraves]

Confirmed... multi dragon fights. Just fought 2 at the same time. Fire and ice, reminded me of universal in a way.

[chrisleakfan4life]

No way you find Skyrum for $40. eBay is overrated for good deals, IMO. I used to buy off them at one time.

I find plenty of decent deals all the time.

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[Crono139]

Note to self: attack trolls from a safe distance.

Time for High Hrothgar attempt #2.

[GatorFan89]

Note to self: attack trolls from a safe distance.

Time for High Hrothgar attempt #2.

Trolls are a pain in the ass at lower levels, not sure what level you're at?

At 18 I had trouble with them, now I'm a 24 and I fought one and took care of it easily, but my one handed skill also has some signficant damage perks on it so the troll never actually even got a hit on me, my first one was a power attack and it stunned the troll and the second one I did was another power attack and it killed it.

@ericgraves, I just fought my first dragon. It was tough. I can tell I am going to have a hard time with them since I am a melee person. I did unlock the force push dragon shout though and that thing really makes a difference when there's multiple foes. I want the thunderstorm one, though.

[Ericgraves]

There are so many I have and use it's not funny.

Also make sure to do the daedric quests in this game. Daedric quests in oblivion are what made the game x10 the game morrowind was. They had diversity in missions, interesting locations and great rewards.

Things haven't changed in skyrim.

[GatorFan89]

There are so many I have and use it's not funny.

Also make sure to do the daedric quests in this game. Daedric quests in oblivion are what made the game x10 the game morrowind was. They had diversity in missions, interesting locations and great rewards.

Things haven't changed in skyrim.

Well, I just got completely f*cked! Game breaking bug. This is seriously f*cking ridiculous.

I went to the town all the way on the western side of the map, Markarth, and there was a guy standing outside of an abandoned house. He asked me about it and wanted me to come inside for protection, and the house was dark and there was a glow inside of it. I left the house back outside and the glow was still there, but that isn't even the bad part.

Apparently inside of the house a voice is supposed to talk to you telling you to kill the guy you're with, but that didn't happen for me. So I looked online and it said to just kill him, so I did. Then a basement door that was locked and needed a key to be unlocked opened once I killed the guy who asked me to come inside, and I got to talk to Molag Bal after the door opened, he wanted me to go get a priest who messed with his ultar, so I went to leave and this time the glow was finally gone and... I am locked inside of the f**king house. The door to get outside requires a key. So, I am trapped in the house and can't leave. There is no way out. I do have the autosaves before I talk to Molag Bal, but then if I load them I have the glow, which is so intense I can't see anything half of the time.

So I am f*cked. I have a level 24 character and I am 23 hours of playtime, I am not going to restart this f*cking game, no way in hell. So until Bethesda patches this I am screwed. I'm sorry, but this bug made me lose a ton of faith in them, I can't believe some THIS BAD would slip in, like I can see little stupid bugs here and there, but this is an absolute game breaker.

Usually I don't get irritated with things, but after all the time I've put into this game, which I've played Skyrim more over the last 4 days probably than all of the games combined that I've gotten this year. Just to have this happen.

I guess I can't play Skyrim now until they fix this, f*cking awesome. Thankfully Saints Row 3 comes out tomorrow, I'll just get that and enjoy it until this bullshit gets fixed. Un****ingreal.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Just wait until they patch it or check forums

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[GatorFan89]

Just wait until they patch it or check forums

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I checked their forums, apparently I am screwed until there is a patch.

[Ericgraves]

Wow next time... add the word spoilers.

Although I actually did that quest. The reward was kick butt.

[jhenderson251]

Well, I just got completely f*cked! Game breaking bug. This is seriously f*cking ridiculous.

I went to the town all the way on the western side of the map, Markarth, and there was a guy standing outside of an abandoned house. He asked me about it and wanted me to come inside for protection, and the house was dark and there was a glow inside of it. I left the house back outside and the glow was still there, but that isn't even the bad part.

Apparently inside of the house a voice is supposed to talk to you telling you to kill the guy you're with, but that didn't happen for me. So I looked online and it said to just kill him, so I did. Then a basement door that was locked and needed a key to be unlocked opened once I killed the guy who asked me to come inside, and I got to talk to Molag Bal after the door opened, he wanted me to go get a priest who messed with his ultar, so I went to leave and this time the glow was finally gone and... I am locked inside of the f**king house. The door to get outside requires a key. So, I am trapped in the house and can't leave. There is no way out. I do have the autosaves before I talk to Molag Bal, but then if I load them I have the glow, which is so intense I can't see anything half of the time.

So I am f*cked. I have a level 24 character and I am 23 hours of playtime, I am not going to restart this f*cking game, no way in hell. So until Bethesda patches this I am screwed. I'm sorry, but this bug made me lose a ton of faith in them, I can't believe some THIS BAD would slip in, like I can see little stupid bugs here and there, but this is an absolute game breaker.

Usually I don't get irritated with things, but after all the time I've put into this game, which I've played Skyrim more over the last 4 days probably than all of the games combined that I've gotten this year. Just to have this happen.

I guess I can't play Skyrim now until they fix this, f*cking awesome. Thankfully Saints Row 3 comes out tomorrow, I'll just get that and enjoy it until this bullshit gets fixed. Un****ingreal.

And this... is why I don't rely on auto-saving anymore. I'm a compulsive saver after Oblivion did something like this to me.

[GatorFan89]

Wow next time... add the word spoilers.

Although I actually did that quest. The reward was kick butt.

My reward is being locked in the house. Hopefully Bethesda patches this soon so I can start playing again.

@jhenderson, yep. That's what screwed me, I am a compulsive saver, I don't like autosave but it's on, and all of my saves are sometime after this quest started so I am screwed until Bethesda patches it.

[Ericgraves]

My reward is being locked in the house. Hopefully Bethesda patches this soon so I can start playing again.

@jhenderson, yep. That's what screwed me, I am a compulsive saver, I don't like autosave but it's on, and all of my saves are sometime after this quest started so I am screwed until Bethesda patches it.

Wait now I am confused. Because you overwrote all of your save slots after you entered the house? Why would anyone do this? How is that possible?

Also Elder Scrolls Auto-Save backlogs 3 auto saves. So one for going into the house, one for a wait after you killed the guy (although this is doubtful because you could literally let him pound on you and nothing would happen), and then where is the third?

Thus it doesn't seem possible that overwrote all of your normal saves AND all of your autosaves. That amount of saving just doesn't make any sense. Furthermore that amount of saving in such a close proximity time wise is actually counter productive and INCREASES the chances of something going HORRIBLY wrong.

You should save every hour. This world is too big to be able to handle every event so these things are bound to happen, and thus plan accordingly. Think about it, even with a .99 probability of success, how many places could something go wrong and you get trapped or glitched out of a quest? It is in the hundreds at least. So .99^200 = .138. So there is a .138 probability of nothing ever going wrong. Given something will go wrong you need to create independent saves. Thus you should spread your saves out. I keep a back log of three in addition to the auto-saves and space them out by an hour or before or after a quest. This helps to reduce the probability of saving with corruption (meaning a flag that should be set correctly isin't). Most of these problems come down to that, a single bit just did not get set to the correct position. Think about it 1 bit. If you weren't screwed you might find it funny. 1 bit. Hell even the phrase "1 bit" takes around at least 8 bits when considering the entropy of the english language is something like 1.38 bits/symbol.

Finally if you are playing on computer then you deserve your frustration. Look up the dev console commands, specifically unlock door.

[GatorFan89]

Wait now I am confused. Because you overwrote all of your save slots after you entered the house? Why would anyone do this? How is that possible?

Also Elder Scrolls Auto-Save backlogs 3 auto saves. So one for going into the house, one for a wait after you killed the guy (although this is doubtful because you could literally let him pound on you and nothing would happen), and then where is the third?

Thus it doesn't seem possible that overwrote all of your normal saves AND all of your autosaves. That amount of saving just doesn't make any sense. Furthermore that amount of saving in such a close proximity time wise is actually counter productive and INCREASES the chances of something going HORRIBLY wrong.

You should save every hour. This world is too big to be able to handle every event so these things are bound to happen, and thus plan accordingly. Think about it, even with a .99 probability of success, how many places could something go wrong and you get trapped or glitched out of a quest? It is in the hundreds at least. So .99^200 = .138. So there is a .138 probability of nothing ever going wrong. Given something will go wrong you need to create independent saves. Thus you should spread your saves out. I keep a back log of three in addition to the auto-saves and space them out by an hour or before or after a quest. This helps to reduce the probability of saving with corruption (meaning a flag that should be set correctly isin't). Most of these problems come down to that, a single bit just did not get set to the correct position. Think about it 1 bit. If you weren't screwed you might find it funny. 1 bit. Hell even the phrase "1 bit" takes around at least 8 bits when considering the entropy of the english language is something like 1.38 bits/symbol.

Finally if you are playing on computer then you deserve your frustration. Look up the dev console commands, specifically unlock door.

I'm playing on Xbox. And I have my autosaves, but there's two glitches, there's the one where I am trapped in the house after I kill the guy, then there's one that shakes the entire landscape and adds a bright glowy hue to everything. The shaking should be inside of the house and didn't happen until I got outside of the house. So I have my old autosaves where I can leave the house, but they were all after this quest started. So I can stay trapped in the house or go outside while there is a neverending earthquake and a bright hue to everything, I fast traveled to Whiterun and the whole town was shaking with stuff flying up in the air.

How was I supposed to know that the game would be glitched? The other thing is my autosaves were taken while I was going in and out of buildings in the city, because at first I thought it was something crazy going on with the city, after I had looked online I realized it was supposed to be in the house.

There's a lot of people that have had this, and it's ridiculous.

[Ericgraves]

Interesting because I did this quest, on the xbox, and everything went perfectly fine.

I remember going in, and everything shaking and then me heading to the locked door and the dude you are with just freaks out and says it is not a normal house and then everything went on as normal. Interesting glitch, can't really see where it happened without actually looking at the code.

So you don't save the game manually then? In the future I really recommend you do what I suggest by saving once an hour. For no other reason than it is a mathematically sound principal that will prevent this type of headache. I am not saying you should have known it was going to occur, but knowing that it is a possibility should motivate you to take steps to prevent it.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Grinding my way up to Dragon Armor

[GatorFan89]

Interesting because I did this quest, on the xbox, and everything went perfectly fine.

I remember going in, and everything shaking and then me heading to the locked door and the dude you are with just freaks out and says it is not a normal house and then everything went on as normal. Interesting glitch, can't really see where it happened without actually looking at the code.

So you don't save the game manually then? In the future I really recommend you do what I suggest by saving once an hour. For no other reason than it is a mathematically sound principal that will prevent this type of headache. I am not saying you should have known it was going to occur, but knowing that it is a possibility should motivate you to take steps to prevent it.

I do save manually, usually every time I enter a new area just in case there is a fight coming up and if I die I don't have to go back very far. My manual save is inside of the house after the door has already been locked, I saved it after talking to Molag Bal. I have my autosaves before that, but they're all after I started experiencing the shaking and hue.

Here's exactly what happened with the quest, for me:

I was exploring and saw the city, Markarth and thought I'd check it out. When I walked in I was just walking around and I came across the robed guy. He said something to me about the house and asked if i wanted to search it, so I was like yeah. We went in the house and nothing happened, he walked into the center of the main room and just stood there. The house had a dark red hue to it and I went in the basement and saw the door was locked, so I went back up to the guy and all he said was "This isn't a normal house" or something like that. So I was like whatever and walked outside and when I clicked on the door my controller was rumbling and I thought it was weird.

So I'm outside and the entire city is shaking violently and that glowy hue is everywhere, so I'm walking around and I honestly was thinking the house was affecting the whole city so I was going in and out of buildings and then I fast traveled to Whiterun because it was getting annoying (the shaking). And Whiterun was shaking so that's when I was like alright this isn't right. So I looked it up online and someone said to just kill the guy in the house, and it stops it. So I killed him and everything stopped and then I went downstairs after Molag Bal starts talking and came back up after talking to MB and the door was locked.

If I killed the guy and walked outside after the shaking is gone but that awful, blurry hue is still all over.

[GatorFan89]

Hell yeah! Fixed the issue!

I had to kill the guy I was with which stopped the earthquaking, and then I could leave the house. The problem was, the awful glowy hue was still there everywhere I went, but I fixed it. Turns out that if you find a dragon wall and absorb a shout off of it the hue goes away, so I looked up a random wall online, went there and absorbed the shout and problem solved. Back to playing! And thank God, too, I got Saints Row 3 today and that game absolutely sucked. Returning that this week sometime.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Man this game is amazing, gets my vote for GOTY so far

I wasn't big on oblivion but i rented this before buying and man i love this game.

[Ericgraves]

Man this game is amazing, gets my vote for GOTY so far

I wasn't big on oblivion but i rented this before buying and man i love this game.

Its amazing the improvements they make from game to game. Morrowind was easily better than daggerfall or arena. Oblivion was clearly better than morrowind. Fallout 3 was arguably better than oblivion. And skyrim is easily better than fallout 3 and oblivion.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Its amazing the improvements they make from game to game. Morrowind was easily better than daggerfall or arena. Oblivion was clearly better than morrowind. Fallout 3 was arguably better than oblivion. And skyrim is easily better than fallout 3 and oblivion.

This game basically reminds me of a midevil version of Fallout 3.

I wasn't a big fan of Fallout New Vegas even though i want to beat it, but when i play Skyrim i don't want to play any other game, including MW3.

[Ericgraves]

New Vegas had core design flaws. Was not made by Bethesda.

Fallout 3 was made by Bethesda. Skyrim combines the richness and diversity of quests with the variation of scenery of morrowind. Glad you are enjoying it. Although you did go from 20 to 30 in an hour... cough haxs.

[Ericgraves]

Also as a warning thiefs guild requires 20 side quest missions before you restore it to glory.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

Sneaking and Archery combined is sick. I can clean out rooms, or kill some enemies that I have no business fighting before they can even find me.

[GatorFan89]

Its amazing the improvements they make from game to game. Morrowind was easily better than daggerfall or arena. Oblivion was clearly better than morrowind. Fallout 3 was arguably better than oblivion. And skyrim is easily better than fallout 3 and oblivion.

Oblivion better than Morrowind? I am going to have to highly disagree with that statement. Oblivion was great, but Morrowind was on a whole 'nother level. ESPECIALLY on PC. Skyrim does take the cake though, which I didn't think would be the case, as Morrowind was a amazing game. Oblivion didn't have near as much stuff as Morrowind did.

Skyrim might be my favorite game ever, which is hard because Deus Ex was a absolutely phenomenal game, so right now Skyrim is fighting that for my fav. Except Bethesda really needs to iron out these bugs.

[Ericgraves]

Oblivion better than Morrowind? I am going to have to highly disagree with that statement. Oblivion was great, but Morrowind was on a whole 'nother level. ESPECIALLY on PC. Skyrim does take the cake though, which I didn't think would be the case, as Morrowind was a amazing game. Oblivion didn't have near as much stuff as Morrowind did.

Skyrim might be my favorite game ever, which is hard because Deus Ex was a absolutely phenomenal game, so right now Skyrim is fighting that for my fav. Except Bethesda really needs to iron out these bugs.

Actually oblivion easily had more. The thing is a lot if it was hidden or out of the way. Having played both games extensively oblivion has much more, especially end game. Unfortunately you have to know what you are doing. Furthermore morrowind wasn't actually a great game by todays standards. The combat system was junk and often confusing, dungeons had three fatigues dwarven, daedric and mountain. The add ons for oblivion were clearly superior. The level design for morrowind sacrificed style for substance. Morrowind also was way too easy.

Trust me go back through oblivion do controlled leveling and read the books and explore the towns more. At the end of the game do the god quests. You will find some of the best dungeons you have ever seen in a game. Including a dream realm, a paradise realm, and a portrait realm which changes the way the game is rendered. Oblivion is a labor of love which communicates a silent despair and desolation that morrowind does not.

[rburnett]

I don't play any of these games, but reading your posts about it makes me want to.. you guys are in it DEEP! LOL

[chrisleakfan4life]

New Vegas had core design flaws. Was not made by Bethesda.

Fallout 3 was made by Bethesda. Skyrim combines the richness and diversity of quests with the variation of scenery of morrowind. Glad you are enjoying it. Although you did go from 20 to 30 in an hour... cough haxs.

I sold a lot of stuff i had stored in my house to increase my smiting up.

Only glitch i know of is the book glitch

[GatorFan89]

Actually oblivion easily had more. The thing is a lot if it was hidden or out of the way. Having played both games extensively oblivion has much more, especially end game. Unfortunately you have to know what you are doing. Furthermore morrowind wasn't actually a great game by todays standards. The combat system was junk and often confusing, dungeons had three fatigues dwarven, daedric and mountain. The add ons for oblivion were clearly superior. The level design for morrowind sacrificed style for substance. Morrowind also was way too easy.

Trust me go back through oblivion do controlled leveling and read the books and explore the towns more. At the end of the game do the god quests. You will find some of the best dungeons you have ever seen in a game. Including a dream realm, a paradise realm, and a portrait realm which changes the way the game is rendered. Oblivion is a labor of love which communicates a silent despair and desolation that morrowind does not.

I'm talking about armor and weapons and stuff, it probably had more overall quests, but I only do the guilds/main quests, I don't do the shrines or anything. But in terms of guilds, Morrowind had more.

For instance, the big Morrowind guilds: House Hlaalu, House Redoran, House Telvanni, Fighter's Guild, Thieves Guild, Mages Guild, Imperial Legion

Oblivion: Figher's Guild, Mages Guild, Arena, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

In terms of weapon and armor variations, it isn't even close between the two. That's what I look at more because like I said, I just do bigger guild questlines and the main quest, so items play more of a factor for me. Not to mention in Morrowind you could customize spells and make a fireball that was basically a small atomic bomb lol

[chrisleakfan4life]

you guys are in it DEEP! LOL

That's what she said

[Ericgraves]

You customize spells in oblivion.

So I see, we should compare subsets of the games to one another in determining which is better? I do agree there were more guilds in morrowind. I find it odd though that your logic is there are more guilds and weapons (which once again there isint do the god quests) in morrowind therefore it is better. Seems kinda arbitrary because you are ignoring the beauty that is oblivion. The game did not force itself on you but was instead a lively world where people had problems and there was adventure and mystery. Literally skyrim makes it easier on you to find these things. Skyrim is extremely similar to oblivion, but skyrim goes out of its way to identify unique and interesting quests. Oblivion you had to find them by immersing yourself in the world.

[GatorFan89]

You customize spells in oblivion.

So I see, we should compare subsets of the games to one another in determining which is better? I do agree there were more guilds in morrowind. I find it odd though that your logic is there are more guilds and weapons (which once again there isint do the god quests) in morrowind therefore it is better. Seems kinda arbitrary because you are ignoring the beauty that is oblivion. The game did not force itself on you but was instead a lively world where people had problems and there was adventure and mystery. Literally skyrim makes it easier on you to find these things. Skyrim is extremely similar to oblivion, but skyrim goes out of its way to identify unique and interesting quests. Oblivion you had to find them by immersing yourself in the world.

Not just that but because I like the game overall better. I like the main quest in Morrowind more and like I said there was more variety in the world with weapons and armor and stuff. I like the levelling system more and just overall the game was more fun to me. I also liked it was harder. To each his own though

[Ericgraves]

Not just that but because I like the game overall better. I like the main quest in Morrowind more and like I said there was more variety in the world with weapons and armor and stuff. I like the levelling system more and just overall the game was more fun to me. I also liked it was harder. To each his own though

Thats fine, but I just want to point out a few things. Oblivion is harder because you can never out level the mobs which you can do in morrowind. Oblivion is easier early, but much harder later. As for diversity, only very few types of weapons were removed to focus on specific categories. But the types inside those categories increased. Leveling system was minimally impacted. Actually if you are good at Oblivion you are godly at morrowind.

For a complete list of changes:

Morrowind vs. Oblivion (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Oblivion_for_Morrowind_players)

And you are free to like it, it is just a lot of people haven't played these games, and might after skyrim. Morrowind is a great game but I don't want them to get a wrong impression about Oblivion because some of the things you are saying are flat out not true. That is all I care about, not saying your opinion is not valid. I am sorry if it is coming off that way. I just have a compulsory need to correct the misinformation being presented.

[GatorFan89]

Thats fine, but I just want to point out a few things. Oblivion is harder because you can never out level the mobs which you can do in morrowind. Oblivion is easier early, but much harder later. As for diversity, only very few types of weapons were removed to focus on specific categories. But the types inside those categories increased. Leveling system was minimally impacted. Actually if you are good at Oblivion you are godly at morrowind.

For a complete list of changes:

Morrowind vs. Oblivion (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Oblivion_for_Morrowind_players)

And you are free to like it, it is just a lot of people haven't played these games, and might after skyrim. Morrowind is a great game but I don't want them to get a wrong impression about Oblivion because some of the things you are saying are flat out not true. That is all I care about, not saying your opinion is not valid. I am sorry if it is coming off that way. I just have a compulsory need to correct the misinformation being presented.

What misinformation did I give? I said Morrowind has more guilds and weapon/armor types? It also had way more enemies than Oblivion, too.

Morrowind Factions (Joinable)
Fighter's Guild
Thieves Guild
Mages Guild
House Hlaalu
House Redoran
House Telvanni
Morag Tong
East Empire Company
Imperial Cult
Tribunal Temple

Oblivion Factions (Joinable)
Fighter's Guild
Mages Guild
Thieves Guild
Arena
Dark Brotherhood
Nine Divines
Knights of the Nine

That's just guilds between them, in terms of armor and weapons Morrowind still has more variations, not to mention it also had spears, throwing stars and throwing knives. I'd list all of the variation of armor/weapons but it'd take too long.

My only issues with Morrowind were obviously the connection between blows, hitting an opponent was based on your luck, their luck and the skill of your item. And that there was no fast travel, it got annoying having to walk around the landscape and having to fight cliffracers all of the time, other than that, it was an amazing, amazing game. Even better if you get it on PC because you make it look better than Oblivion.

[GatorFan89]

Also, as for the removing types of weapons from Morrowind to Oblivion, but increasing diversity in the Oblivion types, that's wrong.

Morrowind had for almost every weapon type:
Bow, Arrow, Longsword, Broadsword or Shortsword, Dagger, War Axe, Battleaxe, Mace, Warhammer, Katana, Dai-Katana, Claymore, Staff and Throwing Star

Oblivion didn't have Katanas, Dai-Katanas, Throwing Stars or Staffs under any standard categories, they were all special weapons in Oblivion, except for Throwing Stars and Staffs which weren't in at all.

[rburnett]

whoa whoa whoa.. i thought this thread was about Skyrim?

That is still better than Oblivion and Morrowind - right?

[GatorFan89]

whoa whoa whoa.. i thought this thread was about Skyrim?

That is still better than Oblivion and Morrowind - right?

Definitely, Skyrim is better.

I was just correcting some misinformation given about me giving misinformation when I wasn't giving misinformation. :grin:

[LeafUF]

Chris Kluwe, the Vikings punter and big time gamer, got a shout out in one of the books in Skyrim apparently.

http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-volume-7-tale-jorrvaskr

Kluwe goes by @Chriswarcraft on Twitter and plays as Loate in Warcraft which is also mentioned.

[GatorFan89]

Chris Kluwe, the Vikings punter and big time gamer, got a shout out in one of the books in Skyrim apparently.

http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-volume-7-tale-jorrvaskr

Kluwe goes by @Chriswarcraft on Twitter and plays as Loate in Warcraft which is also mentioned.

That's pretty neat lol.

[Ericgraves]

Also, as for the removing types of weapons from Morrowind to Oblivion, but increasing diversity in the Oblivion types, that's wrong.

Morrowind had for almost every weapon type:
Bow, Arrow, Longsword, Broadsword or Shortsword, Dagger, War Axe, Battleaxe, Mace, Warhammer, Katana, Dai-Katana, Claymore, Staff and Throwing Star

Oblivion didn't have Katanas, Dai-Katanas, Throwing Stars or Staffs under any standard categories, they were all special weapons in Oblivion, except for Throwing Stars and Staffs which weren't in at all.

Thank you for posting this, it gives me a clear example of the type of thing I am trying to correct. Which is misinformation, not all of which is wrong. Maybe it is by assumption, and please read this before you respond. I take the time to read yours.

Your major statement is this- Morrowind has these types of weapons which Oblivion did not.

You proceed to list three weapons which oblivion did have. You then say that two were only in as special weapons. You either 100 % contradict yourself IN THE SAME SENTENCE, or you mean categories. Lets assume you mean weapon skills seeing as this would be the one where you contradict yourself the least. The problem with this though... Morrowind didn't have those in categories either.

Morrowind Skills (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Skills)

So unless there was some interpretation that escaped me, you will have to explain what you mean by oblivion didn't contain these. And I do agree, they removed throwing stars.

Also for your list of morrowind types of weapons, that is a little misleading isin't it? Because

Oblivion Bows (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Bows)
Oblivion Longswords (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Longswords)
No Broadswords
Oblivion Shortswords (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Shortswords)
Oblivion Daggers (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Daggers)
Oblivion War Axes (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-War_Axes)
Oblivion Battle Axes (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Battle_Axes)
Oblivion Maces (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Maces)
Oblivion Warhammers (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Warhammers)
Oblivion Katanas (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Katanas)
Oblivion Dai Katanas (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Dai-Katanas)
Oblivion Claymores (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Claymores)
No throwing stars
Oblivion Staves (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Oblivion-Weapons-Staves)

As for the removing of classes to increase diversity per class, I was more referring to this type of idea:

The skills Short-Blade and Long-Blade have been condensed into the Blade category.
Similarly, Blunt Weapon and Axe have been condensed into Blunt.

Please understand this is not personal. The things you are saying just don't appear to make sense. Please tell me you can see the confusion right?

As for the guild thing, where did I say that oblivion had more guilds?

[tbullard92]

I look forward to buying this game very soon.

[GatorFan89]

The guilds was an example of Morrowind have more than Oblivion, you never said anything about guilds but I was showing them off as Morrowind has more. Maybe Oblivion had staffs, I don't remember but Dai-Katanas and Katanas were special weapons in Oblivion, where-as in Morrowind they were standard weapons in each material type. For instance:

Daedric Weapons of Morrowind
Daedric Arrow
Daedric Battle Axe
Daedric Claymore
Daedric Club
Daedric Dagger
Daedric Dai-Katana
Daedric Dart
Daedric Katana
Daedric Longbow
Daedric Longsword
Daedric Mace
Daedric Shortsword
Daedric Spear
Daedric Staff
Daedric Tanto
Daedric Wakizashi
Daedric War Axe
Daedric Warhammer

Daedric Weapons in Oblivion
Daedric Battle Axe
Daedric Claymore
Daedric Dagger
Daedric Shortsword
Daedric Longsword
Daedric Mace
Daedric Warhammer
Daedric War Axe
Daedric Bow
Daedric Arrow

That's just one category. A single weapon category in Morrowind has about the same as any two from Oblivion. That's what I'm saying, Morrowind has more weapons/armor than Oblivion not to mention that you get some ridic customization in Morrowind since there's more piece to each set, like pauldrons.

tbullard, yes you will enjoy Skyrim.

I just recently was wondering why the hell I wasn't unlocking dragon shouts each time I killed a dragon, I figured out it's because you select them manually. :embarrased:

I'm guessing you also unlock shouts by level up to 3, because in a few of them there's more than one word and the second word will be grayed out even though the shout is unlock, so I'm guessing you put another dragon soul toward the next word in the shout?

[LeafUF]

Picked it up yesterday and the guy at Gamestop apologized for the death of my social life. I thanked him because well, I think he might be right.

Not that far in yet but I am sure I will spend the rest of tonight playing like I did last night.

I forgot how hard these games are to just put away. There is never a point where you feel like stopping for a break.

[GatorFan89]

Picked it up yesterday and the guy at Gamestop apologized for the death of my social life. I thanked him because well, I think he might be right.

Not that far in yet but I am sure I will spend the rest of tonight playing like I did last night.

I forgot how hard these games are to just put away. There is never a point where you feel like stopping for a break.

That's pretty much how it was for me. I'd play and be like OK I played for a few hours I need to find something else to do then I'd come across a dungeon and be like well OK I gotta explore a bit, I've been doing that a lot lol.

I was at the bar last night and was eager to get home to play some Skyrim, ended up talking to like two different chicks, one was dirty as hell the other I found out had like 3 kids and she was 22 so I was like yeah I'd def rather play Skyrim than end up doing something with one of these women so I went home and tried to play in my drunken state, it lead to me dying a lot.

Got back to it today. Instead of going out with my friends a lot as usual I've just been telling them I'm busy lately, but even then not a lot of them are doing much now either with MW3 out.

Skyrim <333

[Ericgraves]

Oh I get it! There were more material types. You know, that didn't even cross my mind because of how inconsequential that is to me. Like the thought "omgosh chitin armor makes the game" didnt even seem to be a possible thought.

Still that makes me feel better. Anyway though, now that is cleared up, I will admit it is clear you sunk a lot of time into morrowind... you might want to do the same for oblivion before dismissing it. I challenge you to look up leveling strategies and play the game again. Also make sure to get shivering isles, which has a diversity quite like morrowind. Also make sure to get the jabberwookie stick. But once again thank you for clearing up what you meant.

[LeafUF]

That's pretty much how it was for me. I'd play and be like OK I played for a few hours I need to find something else to do then I'd come across a dungeon and be like well OK I gotta explore a bit, I've been doing that a lot lol.

I was at the bar last night and was eager to get home to play some Skyrim, ended up talking to like two different chicks, one was dirty as hell the other I found out had like 3 kids and she was 22 so I was like yeah I'd def rather play Skyrim than end up doing something with one of these women so I went home and tried to play in my drunken state, it lead to me dying a lot.

Got back to it today. Instead of going out with my friends a lot as usual I've just been telling them I'm busy lately, but even then not a lot of them are doing much now either with MW3 out.

Skyrim <333

Ha skyrim over real life. I like it.

[GatorFan89]

Ha skyrim over real life. I like it.

Haha yep. I chose Skyrim over possibly getting some, and you know what, I am happy with the decision I made :)

@Eric, no problem. I like the variety of weapons and armor a lot, it's just something that to me is enjoyable, Idk why honestly, but more options makes me happier I guess. Plus like I said I loved the story in Morrowind a lot plus I have a graphics mod that really makes the game look better than Oblivion, the only missing pieces being the Morrowind engine can't handle physics like the Oblivion one. I also have put more time into Morrowind too, as it takes a long time to complete most of the questlines because you can't fast travel except to major cities, so sometimes you'll have to go somewhere where there won't be any cities nearby so it takes you like 20 mins to walk there.

Also the levelling system like I said, I liked that putting the time in, you could be an absolute beast. But I probably will replay Oblivion like you asked. After Skyrim probably. I have the GotY edition on PC so I have all of the expansions with it. I'll probably find a level mod to put on it like Morrowind, there's one I saw that was pretty popular that is almost exactly like Morrowind where it changes the enemies in areas up and removes the controlled levelling so you can find enemies with Daedric weapons in areas like in Morrowind, so you can't go in there until you're a higher level.

In Oblivion though I did complete the Fighter's Guild, Arena, Dark Brotherhood and Main Quest. I never did the Mages Guild (mainly cuz I just used sword/shield). And I did one of the Daedric shrines where you get some sort of katana.

Right now in Skyrim I'm level 28. My one-handed skill is close to 90, I think. Last time I looked at it, it was at like 78 and that was like 5 levels ago, I've been focusing on smithing so I can get Daedric armor. Also, just realized I can take a giant on 1v1 and win! Dragon shouts definitely help me do this. Two giants I can't do, but one is fair game. Like I said my one-handed is really high, so in about three power flurrys I can take down a giant. Usually I resort to the slow down time shout and I can get a hit in before he swings his club and then two more before he brings it back up to hit me again (they usually always get one hit in before I kill them).

[bakaduin]

I don't want to get in between the argument here but you know you guys can BOTH BE RIGHT.

Ericgraves you can think that Oblivion is better and GatorFan89 you can think that Morrowind is better and it is fine. It is an opinion and everyone has things they like differently and rate differently.

[Ericgraves]

Skyrim is a great game. A little too easy though. You start fighting three dragons at a time and it's like... ok...

Still I love the fact that this game really focuses on the core experience. So much detail, they really have taken out a lot of fluff to focus on the important stuff. For instance the few guild quests are really short and easy, but encourage exploration. There are once again a thousand small quests you can just find. Like I was surprised to finish the mages guild in about an hour. And I am not a mage.

Also on a side note I understand the thoughts behind preferring morrowind. Its an easier game with a better diversity and does more to encourage exploration after the game has set in. The mobs are there just too push you towards the correct location at the beginning, afterwards the game encourages exploration with a diversity common in high fantasy. Morrowind is a great game. I don't like when people dismiss oblivion though. A lot of people found it obtuse and hard yo get into. Its kinda like a Kubrick movie, technically outstanding but you kinda have to be a dissipationed bastard to love them. I loved morrowind but it had many flaws, a lot of which oblivion corrected.

And I urge you not to get a level mod. Playing it with controlled leveling is what made me love the game. Taking the time to set it up, just wow it was truly a labor of love.

[Crono139]

Lydia gets her own room, a nice one at that, in my house while I'm stuck with cobwebs around my bed?

That ain't right.

[GatorFan89]

Skyrim is a great game. A little too easy though. You start fighting three dragons at a time and it's like... ok...

Still I love the fact that this game really focuses on the core experience. So much detail, they really have taken out a lot of fluff to focus on the important stuff. For instance the few guild quests are really short and easy, but encourage exploration. There are once again a thousand small quests you can just find. Like I was surprised to finish the mages guild in about an hour. And I am not a mage.

Also on a side note I understand the thoughts behind preferring morrowind. Its an easier game with a better diversity and does more to encourage exploration after the game has set in. The mobs are there just too push you towards the correct location at the beginning, afterwards the game encourages exploration with a diversity common in high fantasy. Morrowind is a great game. I don't like when people dismiss oblivion though. A lot of people found it obtuse and hard yo get into. Its kinda like a Kubrick movie, technically outstanding but you kinda have to be a dissipationed bastard to love them. I loved morrowind but it had many flaws, a lot of which oblivion corrected.

And I urge you not to get a level mod. Playing it with controlled leveling is what made me love the game. Taking the time to set it up, just wow it was truly a labor of love.

In all honesty, I thought Oblivion was an awesome game. In no way do I mean to sound like I am bashing the game, because I lived Oblivion so if I'm sounding like that then that is kind of my fault because bashing it isn't an intention of mine. Oblivion was awesome. I just prefer Morrowind over it, but Oblivion would definitely sit somewhere in my top 10 games, just Morrowind would be higher, like top 3, at top 3 I am not even sure because Skyrim surpasses Morrowind for me. I've never loved exploring so much as I am in Skyrim. One of the things that I love so much is each and every dungeon and ruin has it's own uniqueness, where-as in Oblivion and Morrowind they were practically all the same. But it's to be expected because Oblivion only had one dude working on dungeons while Skyrim had like a team of 10 or 15 or something like that, and it definitely shows.

For me to still be going places after 35 hours of play and me still being surprised, is just wow. For instance, the other night I thought I'd seen it all then I ended up going into an enormous undergroud Dwemer city after going through some tunnels.

I'm a level 30 now and dragons are pretty easy to take out, hell almost everything is at this point. Like I said, one on one I can easily take on a giant and win. The hardest fight I've had since like level 28 was against a Draugr Deathlord and a Draugh Scorge at the same time, mainly because the Scourge used magic which is definitely my week point so I had to focus on the Scourge first when usually I'd just go for the Deathlord, but the problem was the Scourge was hitting me with frost and reducing my stamina so I had to try and stay toe to toe with the Scourge while trying to avoid the Deathlord who was wielding an Ebony War Axe. Kind of a pain the ass but I ended up barely scaping through and got my new shout word in the end.

@crono, I didn't know wtf was going on at first, I just walked upstairs and some chick is standing in my house bedroom. She stays there though, I never use her. She does a good job watching my dresser that is stashed with dragon scales and ebony ingots.

[Ericgraves]

Its 300 gold to upgrade your room. Also sucks you can't take her bed. I would recommend getting your room upgraded with alchemy. You get a bookshelf which houses books the old fashion way, which is pretty cool. I have been trying to find a house with a library in it for the over 100 books I have in the inventory.

Also as for the war of words. I should drop it. Sorry all for my waste of time.

[GatorFan89]

Its 300 gold to upgrade your room. Also sucks you can't take her bed. I would recommend getting your room upgraded with alchemy. You get a bookshelf which houses books the old fashion way, which is pretty cool. I have been trying to find a house with a library in it for the over 100 books I have in the inventory.

Also as for the war of words. I should drop it. Sorry all for my waste of time.

It wasn't really a war of words anymore lol.

And where do you go to upgrade your house? I'm at the one in Whiterun right now and I went to the trader cuz I figured it'd be like Oblivion where the trader sells house furnishings but I didn't see anything. I'm saving up for the house in Solitude right now, that one is like 20k gold right? I'm at like 13k

[Ericgraves]

Same place you buy it from, dragons reach dude.

[GatorFan89]

Same place you buy it from, dragons reach dude.

Oh alright thanks. I'm starting to see lots of Ebony weapons on high powered monsters, I need a full set of that armor, my Dwarven set looks ugly as hell. Can't wait to get my smithing up so I can make Daedric armor. The Dragonbone armor looks ugly as hell, too.

[Crono139]

I'm saving up for the house in Solitude right now, that one is like 20k gold right? I'm at like 13k

My friend told me not to buy a house that is priced at 12k (the town name escapes me, blah). It will be gifted to you at some point.

[Ericgraves]

Dragonbone looks awesome full set.

Also standing stones are marked on the map that comes with the game. Just figured that out.

[GatorFan89]

I prefer Ebony or Daedric. I like glass armor but my Heavy Armor is in the high 70s and my light is in the low 20s so it'd be pointless to use glass atm. In Oblivion I really liked the Blades Armor, though, that was nice stuff.

[Ericgraves]

I never understood the need for heavy armor. Maybe less conventional but I go shield sword and light armor. Shield protects from damage, don't need heavy armor. Light armor allows for sneaking. Nothing can hurt me and I can destroy everything. Except one arch pyro doing sanguines quest. Edit- Side note, my armor score is up in the 500s even with light armor. I could get into the 600 or 700 but I am unwilling to give up the bad ass armor you get from the thieves guild.

The daedric shrine quests are messed up this time around. Like they have, in the past, do mischievous things. Now... do evil things. Like murder sven evil. But its actually a great idea because they give such great unique rewards. It is actually beneficial to play evil. And you wont miss sven anyways, his performance of ragnok the red was flat he deserved what came to him.

[GatorFan89]

Heavy Armor helps me a lot cuz I use dual swords or sword/axe. Right now I'm using a Glass sword and an Ebony sword. Since you can't block while dual wielding the heavy armor helps me but in all honesty I could probably go into most fights with no armor at all now, as my one-handed skill is at 95 and I deal out damage like it's nothing, Forsworns and Bandits don't even get a chance to hit me before I kill them and Chiefs and Briarhearts maybe hit me like twice before I send them to the promised land. Giants, they're pussies. One on one I can wreck a giant, and then I take their gold and loot the chest at their camps :)

Gotta thank the last Giant I killed, he had a nice pair of Ebony boots in the chest at his camp.

[chrisleakfan4life]

I'm already burnt out on Skyrim and haven't played it in a few days.

[Tipmoose]

EricGraves, if you're finding Skyrim too easy, what difficulty level are you playing on?

[Crono139]

Still trying to take out the Draugr that knows the disarm shout.

Him and his instant kill arrows are complete nonsense.

[GatorFan89]

Still trying to take out the Draugr that knows the disarm shout.

Him and his instant kill arrows are complete nonsense.

What difficulty are you playing on?

I haven't had issues with any except for one, because I only had two weapons and he did that shout and I was standing in knee deep water when he did it and I couldn't find either of them in the water so I had to run around and use magic, it was like a 15 minute fight because the magic did next to nothing to him.

[Ericgraves]

EricGraves, if you're finding Skyrim too easy, what difficulty level are you playing on?

Master

There are one or two points that have gotten me, as I mentioned Arch Pyro who did an insane amount of DPS. But to counteract against high magic damage I got a shield which mitigates the first 65 points of damage.

All physical damage can be stopped with a shield, and power swings are taken care of by the time warp. With high enough stamina you can continuously shield block during those situations.

I built my character on health + stamina (65/35) mixture. Plus I don't play all brave heart, one at a time pull them out if possible. If not doesn't matter.

As for the disarm, it has to pass a level check so that actually disappears at higher levels. When you see a dragur stop fighting and square his shoulders he is about to yell. You need to power stun him if possible. With sword and shield its really simple. If you meet someone strong, you block until they power swing, then shield stun followed by 2 to 3 hits. Also make sure to have a stock of health potions just in case.

Plus, there is a bad ass shout I can't tell you about. Only works outside.

[Ericgraves]

Also full disclosure, until level 20 I had to jump down to expert and once adept.

Mainly cause I was not blocking and mobs could just eat me for breakfast.

[tec68]

I'm loving Skyrim. I'm barely playing the quest, I'm enjoying just collecting quests and traveling everywhere.

[GatorFan89]

Plus, there is a bad ass shout I can't tell you about. Only works outside.

I think I know which one you're talking about ;)

Mine is only at the first level, I haven't found the other two words for it

[Ericgraves]

I think I know which one you're talking about ;)

Mine is only at the first level, I haven't found the other two words for it

All words learned together. Trust me there is not a think associated with it.

[Crono139]

I haven't had issues with any except for one, because I only had two weapons and he did that shout and I was standing in knee deep water when he did it and I couldn't find either of them in the water so I had to run around and use magic, it was like a 15 minute fight because the magic did next to nothing to him.

This one is located in Lost Valkygg. I made a pit-stop on the way to Ustengrav.

I was able to dispose of his buddies pretty easily but he's nothing like them in terms of strength.

[Ericgraves]

Is it one of the head priests? They can be frustrating until level 30.

[GatorFan89]

The Head Priests are pussies. The Draugr Deathlords give me more trouble than them, especially because the last two Deathlords I fought, one of them being the one that disarmed me with a shout, did something where they would make decoys of themselves after you did damage. So I'd hit the Deathlord and it would disappear and then reappear with three of itself and you'd have to figure out which one was the real one, and it'd do this like two times and the thing was the decoys it made would damage you.

I do have two of the priest masks, though. I have Vokun and Krosis. Right now I'm looking for the other ones.

@crono, if they're giving you trouble I'd use the Slow Time shout if you have that, it's saved me a lot. The Force Push shout also helps, but not as much IMO. The Slow Time one has saved my ass numerous times.

[Crono139]

Is it one of the head priests? They can be frustrating until level 30.

Draugr Deathlord in this location:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42O3WSVkW10

Go to about 30 minutes in.

[GatorFan89]

The Breathe Fire dragon shout is also the most pointless shout ever, it doesn't even do damage. I can do more damage with my fireball magic attack.

[GatorFan89]

Haha this video was pretty funny, I think the ridiculous music made it 10 times better lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBqKG8HF3zQ&feature=player_embedded

[Ericgraves]

The Breathe Fire dragon shout is also the most pointless shout ever, it doesn't even do damage. I can do more damage with my fireball magic attack.

Actually it casts a distance interrupt. I use it to stun from distance before approaching.

[GatorFan89]

Blah. Storm Call is the best shout, destructive as hell.

First time I used it I was like...
http://www.addasnap.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=225&g2_serialNumber=1

[Ericgraves]

Only can be used outdoors. Still there are betters.

[TampaGator17]

Odahviing.

[Ericgraves]

Odahviing.

That's the one.

So what did you think of the ending?

[Swamp_of_Gators]

I love the different styles of play this game allows. My GF goes heavy armor, and two handed weapons and just Bravehearts it. Myself, I've put a lot into sneaking and archery, and kill most enemies before they can even detect me.

[Ericgraves]

Earlier I referred to a jabberwock being a quest item, obviously that is from alice and wonderland, more or less, the actual item I meant was the wabberjack. But good news the wabberjack is back, and still produces the same results.
On another note for achievements, you have to be careful if you want oblivion walker. It is very easy to screw up one of the 15 quests and just loose all chance of getting it. I know some people think they are stupid, but take it for what it is worth.

100 hours in so far, still so much to do. For spoilers I listed below where to find two daedric quests, both of which have really coll rewards.




Spoilers-
the wabberjack quest starts from a crazy man in solitude.
Also make sure to ask the bannered mare barkeep about rumors, leads to a short quest with an interesting and unique reward.

[LeafUF]

Loving the game. I am just around 25 hours in and dont feel like I have even made a dent. At the same time I was shocked that I had put in that much time, it never feels like I play that long but I guess I have been.

[GatorFan89]

I'm 38 hours in. Still have 2/3 of the College of Winterhold quests to finish, the Civil War questline and then the Main Quest.

[Ericgraves]

Also over 100 hours in I just figured something out....

Whenever you are at a claw door... the sequence is on the claw

[GatorFan89]

Also over 100 hours in I just figured something out....

Whenever you are at a claw door... the sequence is on the claw

I'm at a loss for words, eric. It took you 100 hours to figure that out? How many dungeons did you have to leave because you didn't know about that, lol?

[Ericgraves]

None. I figure them out through other clues. Like the texts around the world.

Furthermore there are only 27 possible combinations, so the one time I couldn't figure it out that way I just brute forced it, took 3 minutes.

It really wasn't a big deal. I have 10 claws in inventory, so 9/11 can be solved through other methods with a unique and logical solution. I kinda like the variety.

Just hit level 50. Have almost all of the shouts leveled. The aedra perks, the esbra dragon perks, all of the daedra quests done, all the guild quests done, main quest done, married, all on the hardest difficulty possible.

I feel like I can truly say that I have experienced what this game has to offer and I am satisfied.

[GatorFan89]

I'm level 34, just got my smithing to 92 and now have a full set of Daedric Armor and Ebony Armor.

Eric, where do you get the Blades katana? I saw one in the loading screen, it was either a blades katana or something similiar to it. Probably the main quest?

Is there Blades Armor, too? That was my favorite armor in Oblivion next to Ebony.

[Ericgraves]

No. That isint a katana actually. It is referred to as ebony sword.

Spoilers-
It is actually a daedric artifact in whiterun. Talk to the barkeep of the bannered mare and ask about rumors. She will then point you to the jarls children. Then a really short quest and you get the blade. The blade allows you to kill someone in a city with no penalty. The whole world just goes on like nothing happened.

[GatorFan89]

I know what an Ebony sword is, I have like 5 of them. This was a straight up Katana that looked EXACTLY like the Blades Katana from Oblivion. It was no Ebony Sword.

Edit: Nevermind though, I found it. I think it's the only Blades Sword in the game, not sure though. It was in someone's basement on a weapons rack.

[Ericgraves]

I meant the ebony blade.

And the ebony blade is a unique weapon, and it is a katana.

[Ericgraves]

Also there is an unlisted quest in labarynthia. It involves collecting the dragon priest masks. You have to read the texts though to know about it and what to do. It is pretty cool, and just don't want people who don't read to miss out.

[GatorFan89]

I meant the ebony blade.

And the ebony blade is a unique weapon, and it is a katana.

There is also a Blades Sword, Fwiw. It is in the basement of the Sleeping Giant Inn, in Riverwood.

Where do you go to start the quest to get the Ebony Blade, eric?

Also, now rockin' a Daedric Waraxe and Daedric Sword. The Daedric Greatsword is sweet looking, too bad my two-handed is low. I'll probably just make one and use it as a decoration in my house.

[LeafUF]

I asked about rumors and gossip in the bannered mare but did not get anything good like Eric mentioned. I did wind up in a drinking game there that led to an interesting quest with a pretty sweet staff at the end.

[Ericgraves]

It might have to be done after the hangover quest.

But you have to ask about gossip and then rumors should pop up.

[Ericgraves]

My stats as of now, shield + sword with damage of 300. The damage on my one handed sword, base, is 198.

My light armor has an armor rating above 1000. Magic resist of 65% at the moment. Ancient dragons land, arch mages, to daedric deathlords, I kill them all in about 2-6 hits (ancient dragons take about 6).

Thus why I play on master, my character is very overpowered. Later today I will write up a short little post on how to maximize your character and why you would want to do this and what not. I saw a friend who was playing on adept in trouble, I was surprised to find out that he didn't have magic resist on any article of armor and that he went through the forging process completely wrong. I fixed him up, and quickly got his character up to dominant. He reloaded to a point previous though, because it is not fun to have a dominant character until after you have finished the game.

I am level 52, but this can actually be accomplished by level 25.

[Ericgraves]

Sorry about it being long, but I also wanted to include some discussion about core values of the game and concepts of why it is important.

Note: This does not apply to pure mages. I don't play mage and don't have any idea how to overpower them. Get a lot of spells I presume.


Introduction
There are arguments for and against creating a juggernaut, but personally it is one of the experiences I enjoy the most in any bethesda game. Elder scrolls games can be seen as a story of the reluctant hero. You are nobody when it starts, but soon you learn that great things are in store for you. By taking quests and following the path laid out you eventually become the person to save the world from destruction. Future generations will write of you as a hero of legendary power, and thus at the end of each game it seems natural to become a hero of legendary power.

In previous elder scrolls games, overpowering your character was a labor of love. Controlled leveling was used to maximize stats gains per level, allowing for characters that were much stronger than the mobs around you. Fallout 3 went a different approach, relying on planning ahead and searching for very specific weapons. In skyrim though stats have been removed entirely and weapons base stats seem universal, leaving many to wonder if overpowering would still be possible.

Bethesda though knows how to make video games and in one game have removed the pitfalls of their past games while creatively creating new methods for domination. Simultaneously catering towards both casual and fanatical fans. They removed the ability for your casual fan to fall behind (oblivion), no longer do they require the exact planning to create the best end game characters (fallout), all while not resorting to cheap leveled mobs which can ruin the pace of the game and deter exploration (morrowind). Impressively they have shifted the way to overpower to something that someone may start embarking at any level (well any level before 56).

Of course this is not for everyone, as even on the higher difficulties the game can become too easy. I suggest only following through with the suggestions after you have finished what you want to accomplish in game. Still what is presented here will be scalable, allowing for you to get a quick little improvement to your character to help you get past that annoying daedric lord or ancient dragon.

Discussion
Overpowering a character now relies on creating the best possible weapons/armor with enchantments. A simple concept, difficult implementation.

No longer are there specific items with amazing stats which must be sought out to complete a character. Instead everything has a base armor/damage which has a maximum it can be raised to. The same is true for enchantments (mostly), where nearly any enchantment can be reproduced on a corresponding item.

The question therefore becomes what enchantments are best and how do I maximize my armor/damage value?

To understand how to accomplish this, you must understand a fundamental difference between elder scrolls and fallout games. Over-leveling an ability (such as light armor or blacksmithing) still continues to improve that skill. In fallout, a game which brought millions into the Bethesda fan base, this was not the case and therefore you had no reason to improve these stats past 100 or 10.

Under this assumption we look to see what are the best ways to get an insane amount of gain out of the skills you commonly use out of your armor while also maximizing their stat values.


Weapons
Weapons can be looked at as having two components: Damage and Enchantments.

To maximize the amount of damage you must maximize your smithing. Important to note, you don't need to maximize your smithing when making the weapons, only when improving your weapons.

Enchantments are discretionary for weapons. Meaning chose the ones you would like the most. The only problem is that enchantments on weapons RUN OUT. Furthermore the better the enchantment the more ephemeral it is. Replenishing enchantments is a matter of using a soul gem. For this reason I strongly suggest obtaining Azure's Star as soon as you begin to use weapon enchantments. Azure's star is a soul gem which can hold a grand soul and is not removed from your inventory upon use.

Personally I use the fiery soul trap +paralyze with maximum damage. Fiery soul trap allows for damage and soul collection, after a series of fights I use azure's star and repeat. Allowing for use of a strong enchantment without fear of a brevity of usefulness.

Apparel
Once again two areas: Armor and Enchantments.

Armor is handled the same way as damage for weapons.

Enchantments though are significantly different. Armor enchantments fortify abilities or defenses. For this reason you want to maximize two values: resistance to magic and offensive capability. Resistance to physical damage can be taken care of by armor enchantments alone (or a shield), but these do little against magic. For this reason, you should always enchant if possible resist magicka. This will provide a clear defense against magic and against physical attacks. Everything else should be devoted to your primary offensive attacks whether it be two-handed, one-handed, or archery.

Overpowering
It is actually relatively straight forward once you understand the concepts presented in the discussion.

Skills

Enchanting at 100, enchanting tree must have middle branch fully complete
Smithing at 100, smithing tree must include improving magical weapons and armor as well as daedric and dragon for maximum affect.
Alchemy at 100, tree only needs to include traits which increase the potency of the potions.

Items

Azure's Star, for reasons previously mentioned. Strongly recommended

Procedure

Enchant a set of clothes, rings, and necklace with Fortify Alchemy
With alchemy infused apparel equipped create potions for fortify enchanting and Fortify blacksmithing.
Drink fortify enchanting and create a set of armor, rings, and necklace which have Fortify blacksmithing. Important to note you can also create another set to fortify alchemy, and repeat steps 1 and 2. Not sure if there is a maximum you eventually hit.
With smithing infused apparel equipped, drink fortify blacksmithing and improve all weapons and armor possible.
Drink Fortify enchanting again when putting enchantments on final weapons/armor


Conclusion / Disclaimer
Clearly this only works for melee based characters. But the gains are huge, you can take your character from doing 100 damage per swing to 300 or 400 very quickly.

Still the method presented can obviously be modified to take as little or as much advantage to it as you want. I started this process at about level 30, but didn't actually create the "final" weapons and armor until after I had obtained all achievements for the game.

Also there are major downsides to having a character that is the terminator on master level. That thrill of battle is gone, but it does enhance the thrill of exploration in my opinion. Still I present this information in the hopes that it may help someone.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

The first patch is out. :)

[rburnett]

Also over 100 hours in I just figured something out....

Whenever you are at a claw door... the sequence is on the claw

I'm at 0 hours and knew about this from one of the videos on like page 1 of this thread, lol

[sneakygator]

So I started over when the patch came out. Just wanted a fresh start really.
I took Sven on a mission with me at bleak falls. He ended up getting killed.
The first companions job is to "rough up Sven". I went the spot in the cave where he died and then returned to the companions lodge and I can't get the guy I'm doing the job for to recognize that Sven is dead.
So I guess I'm screwed on the companion's quests?

Any suggestions?

[sneakygator]

Fought a dragon today and put a power attack on it and the game went to a cut scene where I was on the dragons shaking it's head and I was bashing it like a mad man until it died. Pretty cool!

[Swamp_of_Gators]

You know, I didn't have any problems with the game, really what so ever, until the patch. Now my game has frozen about 5 times, and I have had to hard reset my system 2 of the times...

[Crono139]

Something tells me that Mzulft is going to be fun. /sarcasm

You know, I didn't have any problems with the game, really what so ever, until the patch. Now my game has frozen about 5 times, and I have had to hard reset my system 2 of the times...

No freezing issues for me but the first dragon that I saw last night was flying around backwards. I just kept walking.

[Ericgraves]

The backwards dragon fix is funny. Originally the problem was the dragons shot fire out their backsides. They now shoot fire out their front but they fly backwards.

[LeafUF]

The backwards dragon fix is funny. Originally the problem was the dragons shot fire out their backsides. They now shoot fire out their front but they fly backwards.

Hahaha, I am actually sad I didnt see that before.

BTW, thanks for that earlier post. Lots of good advice in there.

[GatorFan89]

I also saw the glitchy dragon, he got stuck on a tree so I was like whatever and kept on walking.

[sneakygator]

You know, I didn't have any problems with the game, really what so ever, until the patch. Now my game has frozen about 5 times, and I have had to hard reset my system 2 of the times...

Yeah same here. Game has frozen up a lot more than before the patch.

[Crono139]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11568/11846163.jpg

[GatorFan89]

Every time I go to Solitude a dead dragon spawns at the front of the city now... what the ****. Stupid bugs.

[GatorFan89]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/566/An+arrow+in+the+knee+Some+fresh+oc_6ad7ab_2932806. jpg?1322766208
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvlt8iQK2v1r342qoo1_500.jpg

[GatorFan89]

http://i.imgur.com/u7nOm.jpg

[chrisleakfan4life]

Love the black one 89 haha

[LeafUF]

CLF4L this is completely off topic but did Tim Tebow ever actually say that quote of yours? I ask because it is attributed to a lot of people but not Tebow.

[chrisleakfan4life]

CLF4L this is completely off topic but did Tim Tebow ever actually say that quote of yours? I ask because it is attributed to a lot of people but not Tebow.

It's obviously not a quote he came up with but its a quote he uses and mentioned it on the biggest loser.

[bakaduin]

Whew! Got this game in the mail from GameFly today. Sunk a few hours into it, barely know what I'm doing but it is a lot of fun.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

I'm really enjoying Skyrim humor lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-EyBNZozE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Swamp_of_Gators]

Patch 1.03 out for consoles.

[Ericgraves]

Yeah I have held off playing until this path. They somehow took out resistances. Master becomes impossible if you are solely reliant on your armor with 85% magic resist.

Other than that, game became too easy. I kill an elder dragon with only a few hits using a sword and shield. Still a great game, can't wait for the dlc.

[bakaduin]

Pretty great game. The only bug I've come across is the book shelf in my house eating all my books and not functioning anymore. I know the patch was supposed to fix it but it did not.

[bakaduin]

Man some of these quests make me feel like a real evil ass with the murdering and what not.

[Ericgraves]

Man some of these quests make me feel like a real evil ass with the murdering and what not.

Yeah the daedric quests are much darker now.

[jcp]

I met an ancient dragon for the first time the other night... That a-hole sure gave me hard time. :D

[Swamp_of_Gators]

I met an ancient dragon for the first time the other night... That a-hole sure gave me hard time. :D

Yeah, those a holes spit fire balls. FIRE BALLS! I was in the town of winterhold when I fought my first one, I use mostly archery so fighting him really just took longer. Well after I got him to the ground,I was on the complete opposite side of the town as him, normally a safe distance, well then he blew what I thought was just normal fire, until I realized it was getting bigger and bigger, until I went flying backwards and went from full health to dead (I play on master)....

[Ericgraves]

Yeah, those a holes spit fire balls. FIRE BALLS! I was in the town of winterhold when I fought my first one, I use mostly archery so fighting him really just took longer. Well after I got him to the ground,I was on the complete opposite side of the town as him, normally a safe distance, well then he blew what I thought was just normal fire, until I realized it was getting bigger and bigger, until I went flying backwards and went frm full health to dead (I play on master)....

You need to up your magic resistance. Honestly they are very easy (even on master) if you are correctly prepared. Magic resistance goes up to 85%, basically nulling most of his magic attacks.

If anyone finds these dragons too hard I urge to follow the advice of an earlier post laying out how to max out a character.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

You need to up your magic resistance. Honestly they are very easy (even on master) if you are correctly prepared. Magic resistance goes up to 85%, basically nulling most of his magic attacks.

If anyone finds these dragons too hard I urge to follow the advice of an earlier post laying out how to max out a character.

wouldn't have helped one bit. That was between patch 1.02 and 1.03, where they broke resistance...

[Ericgraves]

wouldn't have helped one bit. That was between patch 1.02 and 1.03, where they broke resistance...

Well then, yeah they would kill you really quick. Did you have the dragonskin perk yet?

Edit- dragonskin is a perk you are born with. Still would work. I was thinking dragon infusion, but that only protects from melee. Without absorb or reflect potions, even with, would have been a hard fight. I had already completed 95% of the game by the time that patch came out. So I never had to deal with that particular problem.

[tbullard92]

So I got this game for Christmas I'm really enjoying it. I really haven't had the time to sit and play for hours yet.
But I just joined the companions and became a werewolf so I thought that was pretty cool lol.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Just got back to playing this after having to sell it.

Got it for Christmas, I've put in about 4 hours total the past couple days, im about 37 hours in so far.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

You sold it and now you're playing it?

[chrisleakfan4life]

You sold it and now you're playing it?

Sold it in November, got it for Christmas

[Swamp_of_Gators]

Sold it in November, got it for Christmas

Did you sell it because you knew you were getting it for Christmas, or was that just chance?

[chrisleakfan4life]

Did you sell it because you knew you were getting it for Christmas, or was that just chance?


No i sold it and than i asked for it and i got it.

My older sister was getting me a gamestop gift card so either way i was going to get the game.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Haven't played this since Thurs or Friday and im itching to get back to it later tonight or tomorrow.

[LeafUF]

Haven't played this since Thurs or Friday and im itching to get back to it later tonight or tomorrow.

I had to go out of town for work for 8 days. I made up for it by playing most of my first two days back home. Still loving this game.

[chrisleakfan4life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDfxde8fSg

This is hilarious

Caution: NSFW - Language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzB95M4eZ8

[Swamp_of_Gators]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDfxde8fSg

This is hilarious

Caution: NSFW - Language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzB95M4eZ8

That last video was moderately disturbing. But the end reminded me of the giants. What is funnier than them knocking you a million feet in the air, is watching them fight something else and knock it a million feet in the air.

[LeafUF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMD28MMtNg&feature=player_embedded

[gatorr4life]

I thought this game was supposed to be awesome. Lots of people are telling me it's average.

[bakaduin]

I thought this game was supposed to be awesome. Lots of people are telling me it's average.

Crazy people. This game is epic.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I thought this game was supposed to be awesome. Lots of people are telling me it's average.

There's always a inexplicable backlash to really great things. Some of it is caused by misplaced expectations (believing the hype and making the game even better in your head), some of it is just from praise exhaustion.

But it's a very good game. It will keep you entertained.

[LeafUF]

As with any game its not going to be for everyone. I think its exceptional and fun. That said even if I didn't like the game personally I cant imagine calling it average.

[Ericgraves]

I thought this game was supposed to be awesome. Lots of people are telling me it's average.

Mainly idiots or people who don't like RPGs.

One of the main complaints is "too many bugs." But considering most of these people have never once touched a bit of coding (or only have touched the trivial scripting languages), their gripes should be dismissed. Considering the overall size and scope of the game compared to the density of repeatable bugs, this game passes the coding due diligence tests.

The game world is so big, it is easy to get lost. Some people expect the game to be handed to them, but this game forces you to explore. Conversely the very notion of the game being handed to you runs against the very nature and core concept of the game.

Other people may be turned off by the story and the anti climatic ending. The story can be beaten in two hours, this is nothing new. The story is not the narrative but the world around. The bigotry towards the khajit, the tensions caused by the elves and the backlash from the nords, the overall weakening of the empire from the strong centralised government (seen in morrowind/oblivion) to the weaker localised government. This world is rife with chaos, people choose to ignore it.

As far the levelling system, innovative and inspiring.

I have only one real gripe about the game, and that is the lack of desire to do quests once you are sufficiently leveled. After hitting the armor cap and creating extremely lethal weapons (ancient dragon 3-5 hits kinda thing) what incentive is there to quest? Only a few quests can give you benefits which you can not obtain through crafting. But complaining that there is not enough to do after 150 some hours of work is like saying you want a sequel to war and peace because it was too short. Gripe is minor.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I don't have many complaints but Bethesda has a pretty poor record of QC, and there are more than a handful of them in this game that can render the Main Quest un-completable. That said, it's not as bad as Fallout:NV was when it was released and they've been prompt with updates, so not really a sticking point.

[LeafUF]

I am playing on PS3 and had very few bugs early on and then the patches started coming out. And it seems with every freaking update there are more and more. Might just be my perception but the game just recently started freezing on me and the lag is a huge pain. Nothing that has made anything uncompletable yet at least.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

The bugs that can hamper completion of the game are game logic resolution bugs, so you wouldn't know it until suddenly, hours into the game you hit a stopping point.

[LeafUF]

So, something to look forward to.

[gatorr4life]

Eric and others,
thanks for the replies. I put in a boatload of hours with fallout 3, and really didn't care too much about the bugs. Mainly because (at the time) I had never really played a game like that before. (great mix of rpg/shooter) But when I played NV, I eventually ended up hating the game and trading it in. (still put a lot of hours into that too) anyway, that's one of my pet peeves with games, bugs. I don't like to be taken out of the immersion with random glitching. REALLY ANNOYS ME..... I told myself I was done with bethesda after NV. think I'm going go get uncharted 3 next, anyway. Even without the bugs, I don't know if I have the patience for an RPG anymore. I'm slowly drifting to only shooters and sports games. Check that, I won't pass up a good RPG/shooter. (borderlands 2, mass effect 3)

[chrisleakfan4life]

I didn't like Oblivion and at first i didn't like Fallout 3 but as i started to play them more, i liked Fallout 3, New Vegas and now Skyrim because Skyrim feels like a midevil version of Fallout.

The game takes getting used to, todays gamers want constant action run and gun type games like Modern Warfare 3.

I hate Modernwarfare 3 and Call of Duty in general, the people who play it online ruin it and use coward tactics and mods to cheat and or win.

Call of Duty at its core is a great game but the multiplayer blows.

I'll take more games like Saints Row 3, Forza 4, Dead Space 2, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2 and Skyrim anyday over a game like Call of Duty.

[bakaduin]

I am playing on PS3 and had very few bugs early on and then the patches started coming out. And it seems with every freaking update there are more and more. Might just be my perception but the game just recently started freezing on me and the lag is a huge pain. Nothing that has made anything uncompletable yet at least.

The only bug I've found that really is bothersome is the freezing up and that didn't start until after one of the patches. Mind you I haven't ever lost anything important from a freeze since it saves regularly but it does require me to stand up and shut the PS3 off haha.

[Ericgraves]

Eric and others,
thanks for the replies. I put in a boatload of hours with fallout 3, and really didn't care too much about the bugs. Mainly because (at the time) I had never really played a game like that before. (great mix of rpg/shooter) But when I played NV, I eventually ended up hating the game and trading it in. (still put a lot of hours into that too) anyway, that's one of my pet peeves with games, bugs. I don't like to be taken out of the immersion with random glitching. REALLY ANNOYS ME..... I told myself I was done with bethesda after NV. think I'm going go get uncharted 3 next, anyway. Even without the bugs, I don't know if I have the patience for an RPG anymore. I'm slowly drifting to only shooters and sports games. Check that, I won't pass up a good RPG/shooter. (borderlands 2, mass effect 3)

Bethesda didn't do new Vegas, obsidian (alpha protocol, kotor2) did.