Starvation Mode not only an exaggerated concern ...

[Dreamliner]

... it's almost impossible for an American to achieve:

http://www.adonisindex.com/

[Dreamliner]

Military study limited already lean soldiers to 1,000-1,200 calories a day, made them burn upwards of 6,000 calories a day through insane amounts of activity, deprived them of sleep and abused them mentally ... and only the very leanest going into the study lost muscle. And they didn't even strength train:

http://www.fitnessblackbook.com/

[jdrgator]

Very interesting points that make sense to me. Maybe people confuse the loss of muscle mass that often occurs from prolonged our acute sickness or from actual starvation (or anorexia) rather than just moderately severe caloric deficit.

On the other hand, I imagine that any good trainer who is overseeing a client trying to lose weight, even a great deal of weight, would not want that person to be at such a caloric deficit. It's one thing for those in the military who have specific jobs to do where calorie deprivation was part of their training. It's another with the average joe who might fail from the radical change.

To me the pysche part of this whole enterprise is the most important. Some people respond well to radical change and just go with it (maybe off the deep end), others need to be worked into it step-by-step in order to counter a life-time of bad habits.

[jdrgator]

Just noticed that John Barban is a Gator! Is that how you found the website, dream?

[Dreamliner]

Very interesting points that make sense to me. Maybe people confuse the loss of muscle mass that often occurs from prolonged our acute sickness or from actual starvation (or anorexia) rather than just moderately severe caloric deficit.

On the other hand, I imagine that any good trainer who is overseeing a client trying to lose weight, even a great deal of weight, would not want that person to be at such a caloric deficit. It's one thing for those in the military who have specific jobs to do where calorie deprivation was part of their training. It's another with the average joe who might fail from the radical change.

To me the pysche part of this whole enterprise is the most important. Some people respond well to radical change and just go with it (maybe off the deep end), others need to be worked into it step-by-step in order to counter a life-time of bad habits.

Well, remember that one of the points of the analysis is that the military will subject a participant to rigors that would never be approved by any other venue. I do indeed recommend aggressive calorie deficits for people who have significant weight-loss goals. I do indeed recommend fairly rapid weight-loss for the sake of encouragement. Motivation is what my trainees bring into their fat-loss regimen. Excitement is what comes out of their early, evident changes in body composition.

HOWEVER, the sort of deficit I recommend is a FAR CRY from those established in the military study. And the KICKER is that the kind of deficit I recommend, maybe 1,000 calories at most, sounds warning bells with the starvation alarmists.

How I found John Barban: I began to experiment with Intermittent Fasting after have read excerpts from Brad Pilon's Eat Stop Eat. Turns out that John Barban is his research partner. I didn't find out that he was a Gator until sometime later. But if he's a Gator I reckon he must be right. :wink:

[bakaduin]

Im not going to say the things from that website don't work but I am going to say that if you click on the "Before and Afters" section there is a lot of camera trickery going on with those results. For one in a majority of the before pictures the guys aren't flexing but they are in the after. They also are way brighter in the after and made sure they were nice and greased up.

[Dreamliner]

Im not going to say the things from that website don't work but I am going to say that if you click on the "Before and Afters" section there is a lot of camera trickery going on with those results. For one in a majority of the before pictures the guys aren't flexing but they are in the after. They also are way brighter in the after and made sure they were nice and greased up.

Are you talking about the Adonis Index before and afters ? That's usually the case. For what it's worth, I'm not going to encourage that for my trainees. For one thing, I try to steer away from the meathead mentality. It's not my target market.

[bakaduin]

Are you talking about the Adonis Index before and afters ? That's usually the case. For what it's worth, I'm not going to encourage that for my trainees. For one thing, I try to steer away from the meathead mentality. It's not my target market.

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