Battlefield 3

[GatorFan89]

The king of multiplayer is back. Time for Call of Duty to take a seat. I cannot wait for this game, I wish consoles got 64 player multiplayer like PC :no:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d91BIBgU-ao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwOrl036_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zw8SmsovJc&feature=channel_video_title

[slmdLS1]

Bad. ass.

[tbullard92]

Cant wait !!!!

[gatorr4life]

Gatorfan89, there's not a lot but they're out there. (multiplayer with lots of players) off the top of my head, resistance 2 and MAG. Res has 64 and MAG has 200 plus.

[PIMking]

what about Homefront?

[GatorFan89]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83GkikwnEfU

[Vindibudd]

Buying at midnight for pc and ps3 if it goes there.

[GatorFan89]

Buying at midnight for pc and ps3 if it goes there.

Same. I want the PC version because of the 64 player online, but all of my friends have 360s so I kind of want it on 360 too, even though the best experience will be on PC. I hate going to midnight launches and told myself I never would, but BF3 I think I definitely will be there to get it.

[Sir_Gibby]

Playing this on anything less than a decent PC will be criminal.

[dadx4]

That looks really good.

[GatorFan89]

New video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiLA_AHGae8

[gatorr4life]

Playing this on anything less than a decent PC will be criminal.

Whatever. I'll take my ps3, 60 inch Sony sxrd, 1080 hd with hdmi cable hooked up and surround sound over your pc anyday.

As for battlefield 3, I'm just now about to start playing 2! Lol I hope online doesn't suffer too much on 2.

[Sir_Gibby]

PS3? LOL. Come back when you have a real graphics processor. Playing high res games ported for consoles and dumbed down graphics REMAINS criminal.

[helix139]

PS3? LOL. Come back when you have a real graphics processor. Playing high res games ported for consoles and dumbed down graphics REMAINS criminal.

I'd agree with this. I'll likely end up getting the PS3 to play most of my multiplayer on that and DLing the PC version for the singleplayer campaign. My i7 950 with 6GB of DDR3 1600 and soon to be GTX590 with a GTX460 serving as a dedicated PhysX and running to a pair of 22" Alienware 1080p monitors or my 42" LCD TV should do the trick, no? ;)

[gatorr4life]

PS3? LOL. Come back when you have a real graphics processor. Playing high res games ported for consoles and dumbed down graphics REMAINS criminal.

I've seen nice computers and I honestly couldn't care less. People get too worked about this. Does it look better, sure. For me, as long as it's HD or at least component, it's just fine. What about all the money you have to spend on updating your equipment constantly. THAT, is criminal, my gator country friend!

[GatorFan89]

"Battlefield 3 is designed to take down Call of Duty."
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/116/1160097p1.html

That's what I like to hear. If any game can do it, BF3 can. Generic ass Call of Duty is about to get it's ass handed to it.

[Ericgraves]

Minecraft has made like 33 million.

Yes graphics are great, but I think we can all agree on one thing, they are more icing on the cake. What it comes down to is what people are more comfortable playing. You can say "pc is clearly superior because of better graphics and loadtimes" and I will agree with it as a general statment, but it still comes down to what you will have the most fun playing. For instance I can't hit jack **** on a mouse and keyboard (which is odd but true), yet I can do pretty decent on a controller. This makes consoles more fun, I can exert more control over my character and am more comfortable with the game.

Also on a side note, something pc people may not like, this was stated in an interview with the Elder Scrolls V director Todd Howard:

IGN: Will the PC version support DirectX 11?

Todd Howard: Yes, but I guess the real question here is do we take advantage of DX11's big new features and the answer is 'not specifically'. Our graphics work centers around doing things that will look the same regardless of platform, and sometimes that implementation will be different on the 360, PS3, and PC.

Full interview here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1158776p1.html)

No before you jump on me for posting that, I don't believe him. But, if it were true that would be ridiculous. The screenshots of that game are particularly glossed up with the dynamic lighting and reflections and so on and so on.

Either way not to hijack the thread, I know its about battlefield 3 but I think we can all agree Battlefield 3 is something we are anxious for, Elder Scrolls V is a day off of work kiss the family tell em you love em be back in a week kind of event.

[gatorr4life]

Minecraft has made like 33 million.

Yes graphics are great, but I think we can all agree on one thing, they are more icing on the cake. What it comes down to is what people are more comfortable playing. You can say "pc is clearly superior because of better graphics and loadtimes" and I will agree with it as a general statment, but it still comes down to what you will have the most fun playing. For instance I can't hit jack **** on a mouse and keyboard (which is odd but true), yet I can do pretty decent on a controller. This makes consoles more fun, I can exert more control over my character and am more comfortable with the game.

nt.

This is exactly how I feel.

[GatorFan89]

Here's how I see it:

I have both a pretty powerful PC and an Xbox 360. In terms of graphics, the PC will always be ahead of consoles. Graphics are important to me, I don't like playing ugly ass games, but the gameplay needs to be great, too. Just because a PC games looks better than it's console counterpart, doesn't essentially mean the game is better on the PC. For instance, Dead Space 2. I think DS2 is a game that plays a whole lot better on console, even though the PC version looks better. It's a game that is just made to be played with a controller. The same goes for the Resident Evil series, GTA series and such. They're all games, IMO, that just work better on consoles.

Usually, though, when a game comes out that is great on both the PC and on consoles, I'll get both versions. Usually, I get the Xbox version first, then maybe 6 months to a year later, when there's a ton of awesome mods out for the game, I'll get it on PC. I have both versions of Fallout 3, Oblivion and Half-Life 2. The modding ability of FO3 and Oblivion make them so much more fun on the PC, Imho.

As for BF3, I'll get both versions. Most of my friends have 360s and are going to get it, so I'll get the 360 version to play with them. But I know that BF is a primarily PC game and to get the full experience you need to play it on PC, so I'll probably upgrade my PC in the fall and get BF3 for it (and Crysis 2, for that matter).

[gatormoe1]

Ok, I don't want this to be taken the wrong way because I like BF and think BF3 will be amazing. The graphics and sound is out of this world. Unfortunately, BF3 is not a Call Of Duty killer. As long as it feels like there is 100 lbs on your back it will not beat out COD.

If they created Frostbite 2 to be as smooth and crisp as MW2 game engine, I would say that this game would be light years ahead of anything COD has put out.

[GatorFan89]

Ok, I don't want this to be taken the wrong way because I like BF and think BF3 will be amazing. The graphics and sound is out of this world. Unfortunately, BF3 is not a Call Of Duty killer. As long as it feels like there is 100 lbs on your back it will not beat out COD.

If they created Frostbite 2 to be as smooth and crisp as MW2 game engine, I would say that this game would be light years ahead of anything COD has put out.

I definitely see what you mean. Battlefield does this because the game is meant to focus on realism. Real soldiers carry a lot of heavy equipment and they can't move as fast because of it. MW2 isn't that realistic and its meant to be more arcadey and let you move fast and such. BF3 is a totally different game, really, like I said it focus' more towards realism. You can't play BF like you play MW2, one player doesn't go around destroying the other team because you'll get lit up real fast if you do that in BF. You're supposed to use tactics and teamwork to win which is the basis of the game. BF's movement can be compared to Killzone 2's, in KZ2 movement was slow but it was supposed to be realistic like you're carrying lots of equipment so your speed is limited.

I think BF3 will be leaps and bounds above the next Call of Duty, but it isn't as mainstream and I don't think it will outsell MW3 but I know it will definitely throw a blow into their sales.

[gatormoe1]

I get it, and I like BF for its realism but to be a COD killer they will have to step back a small bit from realism and focus on making what people want, a fast crisp game.

The real COD killer will take MW2 engine (or better) and add that to the versatility of BF, Mag, Homefront with the tanks, planes, amount of players. If someone does that, I guarantee it will be a homerun and people will forget about COD. If only I was a good programmer...

[gatorr4life]

My only complaint about BF 2 is the online framerate dip. At times, the the screen tends to tear. Doesn't happen too often but when it does, very ugly.

[dadx4]

I went by game stop and this one doesn't come out until spring???

[GatorFan89]

I went by game stop and this one doesn't come out until spring???

It comes out this November.

[gatorr4life]

It comes out this November.

Hopefully. You know how games get pushed back. Especially big ones.:sick:

[Ericgraves]

Games slated for November usually get out on time (I would say around >50%).

And I think that is logical because unlike other dates there is incentive to release the product no matter what in order to catch the holiday sales. Furthermore there is more stress to make the deadline for that reason.

Recently I went back and tried out bfbc2 vietnam. But when people are talking about slow moving, I kind of like it. I don't believe it is a product of shoddy codding, but more part of the design. The idea is to deter people from zig zagging back and forth to avoid getting shot (or jumping into prone or any of that). So yes, I LOVE that. I wish call of duty had that, furthermore slower movement means less error (read lag) in position on screen. In call of duty is far too easy to have someone that is in front of you on your screen actually be behind you. It is very rare in battlefield.

Does it feel slow? Yes. Is it a worthwhile trade off? Yes (in my opinion).

[GatorFan89]

Hopefully. You know how games get pushed back. Especially big ones.:sick:

I'm hopefull for BF3. DICE confirmed they're going to have it out in November because they want to compete with MW3, and DICE is usually good with release dates. The game I'm worried about being pushed back is Skyrim.

[gatorr4life]

I like battlefield mainly because of the vehicles. Nothing like going side by side by side with three tanks, as you try to take over the enemy. Add to that, boats, hummers, quads, and choppers and you got some serious fun. I'm not a big war/ shooter/ multiplayer online kind of guy, but I can't believe how much I've been enjoying this game. I do, however, get a little frustrated when people quit and I get stuck with a round of 4 vs 9! Ridiculous.

[Ericgraves]

I like battlefield mainly because of the vehicles. Nothing like going side by side by side with three tanks, as you try to take over the enemy. Add to that, boats, hummers, quads, and choppers and you got some serious fun. I'm not a big war/ shooter/ multiplayer online kind of guy, but I can't believe how much I've been enjoying this game. I do, however, get a little frustrated when people quit and I get stuck with a round of 4 vs 9! Ridiculous.

Yeah rage quitters suck.

It is a pretty cool feeling riding on a chopper into battle. There really are battlefield moments when you just have this sense that in about 5 seconds things are going to hit the fan.

[GatorFan89]

Choppers are cool guys, but this is BF3, don't forget about the fighter jets :cool:

I think I read, consoles are 24 players online which is factual, but they said the airspace in the console versions is opened up a lot more to a 64 player map size because the jets move really fast and it wouldn't be a good design decision to have them on a small map where they can't move around that freely

[Ceal8ter]

Here's how I see it:

I have both a pretty powerful PC and an Xbox 360. In terms of graphics, the PC will always be ahead of consoles. Graphics are important to me, I don't like playing ugly ass games, but the gameplay needs to be great, too. Just because a PC games looks better than it's console counterpart, doesn't essentially mean the game is better on the PC. For instance, Dead Space 2. I think DS2 is a game that plays a whole lot better on console, even though the PC version looks better. It's a game that is just made to be played with a controller. The same goes for the Resident Evil series, GTA series and such. They're all games, IMO, that just work better on consoles.

Usually, though, when a game comes out that is great on both the PC and on consoles, I'll get both versions. Usually, I get the Xbox version first, then maybe 6 months to a year later, when there's a ton of awesome mods out for the game, I'll get it on PC. I have both versions of Fallout 3, Oblivion and Half-Life 2. The modding ability of FO3 and Oblivion make them so much more fun on the PC, Imho.

As for BF3, I'll get both versions. Most of my friends have 360s and are going to get it, so I'll get the 360 version to play with them. But I know that BF is a primarily PC game and to get the full experience you need to play it on PC, so I'll probably upgrade my PC in the fall and get BF3 for it (and Crysis 2, for that matter).

When it comes to single player shooters and adventure games like Dead Space or Mass Effect I would agree that game play with a controller is more fun. However, I have been playing FPS for more then a decade now and I can assure you that they are always better on a pc. The keyboard/ mouse combo is 1 mill times better for multiplayer fps then the controller scheme. You could always get a mouse for your PS3 or Xbox but its still not the same.

FPS and MMORPG are just better on a PC then on a console and they always will be, period, end of discussion.

[gatormoe1]

"Better" graphics wise, but competition and fun go to consoles. A lot more players that are good play on the consoles and by that I mean mainly Xbox. Xbox gaming > PS3 > PC (talking about competition). The competition is what makes a game great to me. I don't want to play a bunch of scrubs, I want a challenge.

[gatorr4life]

For the pc users, i want to know how much you spend on upgrading you computer constantly. That's probably the biggest reason why most stick to consoles.

[GatorFan89]

For the pc users, i want to know how much you spend on upgrading you computer constantly. That's probably the biggest reason why most stick to consoles.

I upgrade probably every 3 years or so. I got my first gaming computer in 2005 so I could run Half-Life 2 maxed out. My second PC I built from the ground up I got in 2007 so I could play Crysis. My next upgrade will be in the Fall for Battlefield 3/Crysis 2.

I know a lot of people just buy new hardware as it comes out and continuously upgrade their computer throughtout the year, but that costs too much and I don't have that money, even if I did, I still wouldn't because when upgrade time comes I buy the best hardware available and 2 years later I can still run most newer games. My computer right now can actually still run most games as most newer games since '07 still don't look near as good as the original Crysis. BF3 will definitely need an upgrade, though.

[gatorr4life]

Can you give me some numbers?

[GatorFan89]

Can you give me some numbers?

Well, I'll give you two. My PC right now and if I were to build one right now.

My PC right now currently costs around $600 and I can run Crysis 1 maxed out relatively well. I have a:

My CPU = Intel 2.2 Ghz Dual Core Processor
My GPU = XFX GeForce 8800GT @512mb
RAM = 4GB
Hard Drive = 500GB

If I were to buy a new PC right now to run BF3 I would go with this:
MSI 880GMA motherboard
AMD Phenom II X6 6-core CPU @ 3.2 Ghz
8GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti
1TB Harddrive
600W Power Supply Unit

This comes in at roughly $1079 which isn't too bad. I recommend this website, you can play around with it and customize your own PC: www.magicmicro.com

I'd choose an AMD CPU over a Intel, you pay more for Intel and there isn't that much of a difference in performance. You could build a pretty monster PC for under $1000 easily and be able to run every game out right now, but BF3 you'll probably need to spend a bit more to max it out.

[helix139]

I upgraded mine last summer when an undervolting situation fried my Mobo and corrupted the BIOS to an unflashable state. Also bought a UPS this time to solve that problem.

For the essentials, basically I went from this which I built in 2007 or 2008:

Q6600 Core 2 Quad (got very cheap. paid like $100 to buy from a friend about 3 months after they were released)
4GB DDR2 1066
2x300GB Velociraptors
EVGA nForce 790i
GTX260 (added later on the cheap. Was using an old 8500GT)
Ultra X3 600W PSU I've been running for years and got as warranty replacement for a 550w X2
PATA DVD-RW

to this:

Core i7 950
6GB DDR3 1600
GTX460 (Not totally necessary but I wanted 3 monitor outputs)
EVGA X58 SLI3
SATA DVD-RW
and everything else stayed the same

I got all the new components on sale and probably paid about $600. I can run most current games at decent settings at 1920x1080

As far as AMD vs Intel, I'd beg to differ on there not being a performance difference. The difference is significant by any current benchmark, but you will pay more for it.

[GatorFan89]

New 12 minute Battlefield 3 gameplay vid is up! Prepare to have your jaws drop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zw8SmsovJc&feature=channel_video_title

Edit: I updated the original post with this video.

[gatorr4life]

Yeah, see, that's just too much work/ money to put into gaming. Id much rather pay $300-350 and leave it at that. Graphics are solid and I love using a controller over a mouse. But to each their own, I guess.

[GatorFan89]

Yeah, see, that's just too much work/ money to put into gaming. Id much rather pay $300-350 and leave it at that. Graphics are solid and I love using a controller over a mouse. But to each their own, I guess.

True. That's why I only upgrade every three years and I just buy the best hardware available at the moment. Usually I'll be able to run every game that comes out for the next three or so years and then you'll have something that sets a new standard (HL2 in '04, Crysis in '07 and now BF3 in '11)

[Sir_Gibby]

True. That's why I only upgrade every three years and I just buy the best hardware available at the moment. Usually I'll be able to run every game that comes out for the next three or so years and then you'll have something that sets a new standard (HL2 in '04, Crysis in '07 and now BF3 in '11)

+1

It's like buying a Ferrari and capping the speed at 60 mph.

[gatorr4life]

+1

It's like buying a Ferrari and capping the speed at 60 mph.

More like 90. The ps3 and xbox arent that bad, come on now! Lol:grin:

[GatorFan89]

More like 90. The ps3 and xbox arent that bad, come on now! Lol:grin:

Nintendo announced the Wii 2 and it's supposed to be significantly more powerful than the 360 and PS3, but we all know the next Xbox and Playstation systems will be more powerful than the Wii 2. Ut oh!

The Wii 2 is supposed to have a high-definition LCD display built onto the controller, too.

[gatorr4life]

Wii 2? Interesting. The 12 year old will probably ask for one, even though she doesn't even play the one she has now.

[GatorFan89]

Wii 2? Interesting. The 12 year old will probably ask for one, even though she doesn't even play the one she has now.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1162045p1.html

[gatorr4life]

Stream to the controller? Why? That sounds kind of pointless to me. Am I missing something? Is it basically a DS? Sounds like it could be overkill or very innovative thinking. Might hurt DS sales if they're not careful.

[gatormoe1]

Stream to the controller? Why? That sounds kind of pointless to me. Am I missing something? Is it basically a DS? Sounds like it could be overkill or very innovative thinking. Might hurt DS sales if they're not careful.

What, you didn't like the Dreamcast? ;)

[Ericgraves]

Wii 2 is not guarenteed to be better hardwae wise, conflicting rumors right now on that.

Either way doesn't matter, nintendo has failed to produce enough interesting content for the past three consoles. I don't need a console to output 2^n polygons if everything looks like a giant circle.

[gatorr4life]

The wii did well because of the motion controllers. Now that that's old news, so is the wii. They're going to have to get much better graphics if they're going to compete, IMO.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Their plan is to again target hardcore gamers.

It's an admirable plan but in direct conflict with their current MO. So either they're dumping the kid-friendly-only aesthetic or there going to have some angry parents.

The fact is the Wii could have been a fantastic gaming system.

[Ericgraves]

Their plan is to again target hardcore gamers.

It's an admirable plan but in direct conflict with their current MO. So either they're dumping the kid-friendly-only aesthetic or there going to have some angry parents.

The fact is the Wii could have been a fantastic gaming system.

This is all too true.

But ever since the n64 nintendo has become more and more family friendly (relative to its competition).
And since I brought up the n64, I have to mention body harvest. That was an underrated game, the developers went on to become rockstar. Its like an early build of GTA 3, but with giant alien bugs and hovercrafts.

The gamecube turned out to be tuna (please someone get this joke).

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I assume it's a Dolphin reference.

At any rate, there's nothing stopping Nintendo from once again being the premiere gaming system except their recent reputation as being the choice for girls and children.

[Jrok79]

That is a big except imo. They will have their work cut out for them trying to compete with xbox.

[gatorr4life]

I assume it's a Dolphin reference.

At any rate, there's nothing stopping Nintendo from once again being the premiere gaming system except their recent reputation as being the choice for girls and children.

All the Wii needs is better graphics if they want to compete. Pretty simple. It's not like their entire library is kids games. They, too, get the call of duty's and dead spaces.

[GatorFan89]

By the time the next Xbox and Playstation systems come out though, they'll be far ahead of the Wii 2. The Wii 2 is supposedly, RUMORED to be coming out around the Holidays this year. I saw it on IGN, I thought at first they said next year, but w/e. Anyways it's nice it will get a head start, but given the next Xbox and Playstation won't be out for at least another year, they're going to be far ahead of the Wii 2 in terms of performance and power.

[GatorFan89]

New video! Also updated original post with the video. Call of Duty, Battlefield 3 would like to show you what "innovation" is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwOrl036_A

[gatormoe1]

Looks pretty good but the graphics will never be enough to take over COD. The Game Engine is just too slow for the majority of FPS fans. I don't mind it that much but prefer the smooth movement of COD games. MW3 will still outsell BF3. :D

[GatorFan89]

Looks pretty good but the graphics will never be enough to take over COD. The Game Engine is just too slow for the majority of FPS fans. I don't mind it that much but prefer the smooth movement of COD games. MW3 will still outsell BF3. :D

It will definitely take sales from CoD. It's going to be the better game, hands down. It leans more towards realism than fast, arcadey gameplay.

I like to think of it like this, if the games were movies:

Call of Duty is your typical summer action film probably made by Michael Bay that is garbage and features a retarded amount of explosions and fire.

Battlefield is your Saving Private Ryan/Black Hawk Down film that tells a great story and tries to be true to actual war.

[Ericgraves]

Looks pretty good but the graphics will never be enough to take over COD. The Game Engine is just too slow for the majority of FPS fans. I don't mind it that much but prefer the smooth movement of COD games. MW3 will still outsell BF3. :D

The game engine is not too slow. In fact the game engine can handle those nice smooth movements you are talking about (and quite easily as well).

That slowness you are referring to is a design choice to make the game more tactical and less twitch. What is the point to try and stick to cover if anytime someone shoots at you a quick flick left and right and a dive to prone gets you out of trouble?

How do they do that? Well they set the movement acceleration much lower, which is more realistic unless the military manages to clone percy harvin and make him into a killing machine. On a side note if you have ever played a console game where the aiming was just off, it was most likely because the designers have the aim velocity constant. Many of the best shooters instead associate an acceleration (actually 4- [x axis, y axis] x [speed up slow down]) with your crosshair movements. While not a FPS, a good example of what a game with constant velocity is like try Max Payne for the old xbox. While the computer version was great, the console version was almost laughable sometimes in how bad the aim was.

Why do they do that? By reducing the speed your position becomes much more important, getting kills in battlefield is less about how well you can aim and more about where you are at. I for one love that as it rewards patience and experience.

But no, it is not because of the game engine. It is a common mistake though. The game engine in all honesty is flat out baller. Just think of all the meshes that game has to put out and the time it processes new ones. At the end of the multiplayer trailer you see the most astonishing thing. Someone shoots the side of the building and the facade falls down! The wall that is breaking down is actually modeled and breaks into pieces and falls down in the specific location the wall was shot. Honestly while it looks pretty cool, that is more of testament to how strong their game engine is.

Call of duty will outsell battlefield (2 to 1 I believe). Battlefield will meet more critical acclaim (metacritic scores of 94 vs. 90 is my guess). So which do we consider king?

[gatorr4life]

Excellent analogy. As far as I'm concerned, I'll take battlefield. I love the vehicles. COD is pretty good too though. Really can't go wrong with either one.

[GatorFan89]

The game engine is not too slow. In fact the game engine can handle those nice smooth movements you are talking about (and quite easily as well).

That slowness you are referring to is a design choice to make the game more tactical and less twitch. What is the point to try and stick to cover if anytime someone shoots at you a quick flick left and right and a dive to prone gets you out of trouble?

How do they do that? Well they set the movement acceleration much lower, which is more realistic unless the military manages to clone percy harvin and make him into a killing machine. On a side note if you have ever played a console game where the aiming was just off, it was most likely because the designers have the aim velocity constant. Many of the best shooters instead associate an acceleration (actually 4- [x axis, y axis] x [speed up slow down]) with your crosshair movements. While not a FPS, a good example of what a game with constant velocity is like try Max Payne for the old xbox. While the computer version was great, the console version was almost laughable sometimes in how bad the aim was.

Why do they do that? By reducing the speed your position becomes much more important, getting kills in battlefield is less about how well you can aim and more about where you are at. I for one love that as it rewards patience and experience.

But no, it is not because of the game engine. It is a common mistake though. The game engine in all honesty is flat out baller. Just think of all the meshes that game has to put out and the time it processes new ones. At the end of the multiplayer trailer you see the most astonishing thing. Someone shoots the side of the building and the facade falls down! The wall that is breaking down is actually modeled and breaks into pieces and falls down in the specific location the wall was shot. Honestly while it looks pretty cool, that is more of testament to how strong their game engine is.

Call of duty will outsell battlefield (2 to 1 I believe). Battlefield will meet more critical acclaim (metacritic scores of 94 vs. 90 is my guess). So which do we consider king?

Excellent post. People don't understand, Battlefield has slower movement because it's more realistic. When you're in war, you're carrying a lot of gear on you and you can't move like an Olympic sprinter like in CoD, you move slower like in BF. In Battlefield your aim and movement is slower because you're being weighted like in real life, when you're carrying 80+ pounds of gear, you're going to aim and move slower. It's just a fact.

Battlefield focuses on teamplay, not one moron running around with a massive M95 Barret 50. Cal Anti-Material Rifle unrealistically quickscoping people. Overall, my skill level can be better than someone in BF and I can aim better, but if they got a better position on me then they can usually kill me, as Eric said, the game is more about position than skill.

The Bad Company series was more like a BF/CoD hybrid, but very, very fun. BF2 was a true team-based game. It was rare in BF2 to see someone with 40 kills in a game. It is about teamwork, plus Dice added a new suppression system. When you're being shot at in BF3, your screen will flicker and shake, like in real life when you're being suppressed by fire it's going to nauseate you. This makes the game more tactical and strategic. Having someone with an M240 suppressing an enemy and then having a small squad of 2-3 move around to flank them.

Battlefield 3 > CoD

[gatormoe1]

It will definitely take sales from CoD. It's going to be the better game, hands down. It leans more towards realism than fast, arcadey gameplay.

I like to think of it like this, if the games were movies:

Call of Duty is your typical summer action film probably made by Michael Bay that is garbage and features a retarded amount of explosions and fire.

Battlefield is your Saving Private Ryan/Black Hawk Down film that tells a great story and tries to be true to actual war.

That's 100% opinion. Your bias towards BF comes out very heavy when you talk about it. In reality, that garbage summer flick is going to crush BF3 in sales and people will be playing it for longer. Only a select few want realism in a game. Most people want a game where you can go out and have fun.

That realism isn't what most people want. It feels like I have a 500 pound guerrilla on my back. Battlefield would have hit it out of the park and taken over the FPS world if they would have went away from that realism (slow gameplay) and replaced it with COD style (fast crisp movement). If you want realism, join the Marines.

To Ericgraves:
Yeah I know its not the engine, Frostbite 2 can handle anything, that's just how it came out.

[gatormoe1]

Excellent post. People don't understand, Battlefield has slower movement because it's more realistic. When you're in war, you're carrying a lot of gear on you and you can't move like an Olympic sprinter like in CoD, you move slower like in BF. In Battlefield your aim and movement is slower because you're being weighted like in real life, when you're carrying 80+ pounds of gear, you're going to aim and move slower. It's just a fact.

Battlefield focuses on teamplay, not one moron running around with a massive M95 Barret 50. Cal Anti-Material Rifle unrealistically quickscoping people. Overall, my skill level can be better than someone in BF and I can aim better, but if they got a better position on me then they can usually kill me, as Eric said, the game is more about position than skill.

The Bad Company series was more like a BF/CoD hybrid, but very, very fun. BF2 was a true team-based game. It was rare in BF2 to see someone with 40 kills in a game. It is about teamwork, plus Dice added a new suppression system. When you're being shot at in BF3, your screen will flicker and shake, like in real life when you're being suppressed by fire it's going to nauseate you. This makes the game more tactical and strategic. Having someone with an M240 suppressing an enemy and then having a small squad of 2-3 move around to flank them.

Battlefield 3 > CoD

You are one that can't be debated with. You ignore the facts that COD will outsell/outlast BF and keep saying BF is better. I think you've mentioned BF being better about 3-4 times now. It will have better graphics/sound but thats about it. The "realism" will always keep BF from being the type of game COD is.

[Swamp_of_Gators]

Games that use teamwork and strategy are boring to ADD kids with short attention spans. That's why quality teamwork games die out. Because little kids who make up a huge chunk of the market get board quickly if they can't just jump right into the action and get instant gradification.

That's the reason socom died. It was an amazing game. But gawd forbid a poor ADD kid had to wait and not shoot anythingfor 4 minutes because his impatient ass had to rush in and try to get 15 kills in the first 20 seconds for a round. And because of that, socom missed out on the huge market that is the 12-15 y/o ADD kiddy demographic. Now they're trying to replicate CoD's success, and the game is absolutely horrible.

[PIMking]

This is coming from a COD person here so keep this in mind.

I have yet to play a BF game, but with how bad Black ops is and it's pretty much the same game as MW2, and WaW. I get bored quick with it, I only play hardcore and I get tired of getting hit markers on someone and they run through it like I didn't hit them. I get tired of putting a whole magazine in someone on hardcore then they fall but have second chance and shoot me with a pistol. I get tired of someone that just hides around corners with a machine gun getting 4 kills a game. When I play COD I play with a group of friends on a team. We all talk to eachother and set up as a team in strategic points and just DESTROY the other teams. But overall the game isn't that impressive. I will purchase this BF and try it out. It looks good and I like playing realistic games. If I wanted to play a spawn camp unrealistic arcade game I would play Doom or Halo.

[GatorFan89]

You are one that can't be debated with. You ignore the facts that COD will outsell/outlast BF and keep saying BF is better. I think you've mentioned BF being better about 3-4 times now. It will have better graphics/sound but thats about it. The "realism" will always keep BF from being the type of game COD is.

CoD has been the same EXACT GAME for the last 5 years. Same engine. Same gameplay. They just add a new story and extra gun attachments each time. I don't see how you can even say gameplay in MW3 will be better than BF3. You mean the same gameplay that we've seen the last 5 years? Sure. You can camp behind a wall in CoD and spray people with your M249 SAW as they come in, but you do that in Battlefield and you'll learn quickly how different the gameplay is when someone puts a tank shell into the wall and blows you to high heaven. The destructibility of BF3's Frostbite Engine 2.0 is a GAMECHANGER. I didn't know teamwork was looked down upon in games nowadays. I completely agree with Swamp, I guess if you can get 40+ kills a game rushing like a bafoon, you get bored.

If MW3 were to actually do something innovative and new, I would definitely play it, but it's the same exact game as MW2 except with some new guns.

@PIMKing, definitely agree, man. You won't be disappointed with BF3, I assure you. The game rewards you for teamwork. In BC2, you get 50 points for a kill, but if you get a kill assist you get 30 points. If you play a Medic in BC2 and revive a teammate, you get 60 points, more points than a kill. BF is a teamwork based game. As Ericgraves said, the game is more about who has a better position on the other person than about who can aim faster.

IDK if you saw, but BF3 takes suppressive fire into account. If someone starts shooting at you and bullets are hitting really close to you, your screen will blur, shake and flicker to simulate a feeling of nauseation like you probably would get if you were really being shot at. It's a small detail, but adds to the realism. It also allows for better teamwork, i.e, suppressing and having a small group flank the guy who is suppressed.

[Ericgraves]

This is coming from a COD person here so keep this in mind.

I have yet to play a BF game, but with how bad Black ops is and it's pretty much the same game as MW2, and WaW. I get bored quick with it, I only play hardcore and I get tired of getting hit markers on someone and they run through it like I didn't hit them. I get tired of putting a whole magazine in someone on hardcore then they fall but have second chance and shoot me with a pistol. I get tired of someone that just hides around corners with a machine gun getting 4 kills a game. When I play COD I play with a group of friends on a team. We all talk to eachother and set up as a team in strategic points and just DESTROY the other teams. But overall the game isn't that impressive. I will purchase this BF and try it out. It looks good and I like playing realistic games. If I wanted to play a spawn camp unrealistic arcade game I would play Doom or Halo.

This was my mindset before I switched to battlefield. When I found battlefields dedicated servers and the lack of the "are you kidding me?" feeling I was sold.

Also if there is to be a debate on which is better (battlefield vs cod) then we should all know what we are arguing about.

The many points that people are bringing up are not actually mutually exclusive, so this debate doesn't really make sense. So in order to bring peace I am bringing out the talking points are various metrics we are using to compare games and which game is fitted for this.

Sales- COD. Obviously COD will outsell battlefield. But battlefields sales should increase, while previously being outsold 3 to 1, look for COD to win 2 to 1 this year.
Game Reviews- Most Likely Battlefield. Critics in the past have reduced scores on games which have not made the appropriate leaps forward (one recent example Bioshock 2). Because of the stagnation inside the Call of Duty series coupled with the fact three companies are designing the game shows that we can literally expect more of the same from Call of Duty. Battlefield though continues to grow and mature, expect the reviewers to fell pressure to give scores higher than the previous game thus propelling the scores of battlefield.
Pure Adrenaline Multiplayer- COD. Sometimes called twitch, it is actually the adrenaline rush that is addicting. By creating high speed games COD guarantees the adrenaline rush that many people crave. Many people with ADD in fact are adrenaline junkies, I just want to throw that out there.
Tactical- Battlefield. Battlefield is mainly about being tactical and lives for the "oohs and aahs." I would almost call battlefield an emotional game. Each choice you make can have an effect on the game. Do you double back guard your base? Or do you push forward to take away their infantry? Do you spec to take care of the tank or do you spec to take care of your kdr.
Graphics- Battlefield. This one is not even close. Watch videos.
Game Engine- Battlefield. Doesn't need to be put out there, a game engine can be judged really on how well they handle putting out the visuals and what can be accomplished in game.


You then have to wait them appropriately to determine what you consider the better game. No one truly disagrees with each other here, we just have different values.

Honestly these are two great games, with outstanding engines that are really at the top of their field. In some sense the battlefield vs. cod debate is spurned by the media and the companies promoting the games. The games are designed for vastly different experiences (multi player wise), and a comparison of which one is "better" can only come down to personal values. Thus any debate on which game is "better" is in some way mute. Instead it is better to just discuss the pros and cons of each game in relation to one another and in relation to the type of game you want to play.

Plus the sequel to EDF 2017 is coming out in july and that is bound to be the best game ever in existence. Giant freaking bugs and online co op, I am salivating.

EDIT-
My sales projection are purely a guess. Considering the amount of people talking about battlefield especially in comparison to when BF BC 2 came out, and the more aggressive ad campaign, I predict a 2 to 1 ratio (COD:BF). "Analysts" are predicting for the ratio to hold constant at 3 to 1, but these are the same "Analysts" who proclaimed the xbox kinect would "fall flat on its face."

The reason for the analysts are giving is because they believe battlefield is already well known in the market and thus the big ad campaign won't expand their base significantly while call of duty will continue to show a sale increase. I disagree with this view and believe battlefield is a well known name but most people are unsure of what they are offering. Kinda like "I have the Melting Pot, why should I try Colorado Fondue Company?"

I believe the new ad campaign to be the correct mix of beautiful graphics and adrenaline soaked images to make people give it a shot. Furthermore the earlier release date is a great gamble for the ADD crowd. Although I truly expect the ADD crowd to PAN this game, one thing impulsive teenagers hate to do is WAIT. Basically EA is going all in right now it seems cashing in all of their possible cards to gain the market shares they need. If they succeed and enlarge their fan base they do have a chance of remaining competitive for years to come.

Furthermore I honestly believe the fact that MW won 60 or so game of the year awards is what truly propelled this whole COD craze. It was the first time a console game which was heavy on the multiplayer aspect won game of the year so decisively. Imagine what FPS of the year could do for battlefield (GOY is off the table, it is an Elder Scrolls year after all).

[gatorr4life]

EDF?

[Ericgraves]

Earth Defense Force

EDF 2017-
http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Defense-Force-2017-Xbox-360/dp/B000LV9N8S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1307931467&sr=8-3

EDF Insect Armageddon (the sequel)- http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Defense-Force-Armageddon-Playstation-3/dp/B0043QSR5C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307931467&sr=8-1

It is honestly a budget game distilled down to what makes a game fun. Really makes you think about what makes a game good.

[gatorr4life]

Interesting. Why have I never heard of this? Strange.

[Ericgraves]

It is a budget game. Originally was only $20. Budget games don't get hype, sadly most of them aren't worth the money.

I went through all of the Xbox games on Amazon one day and read the reviews of games I had never heard of. Edf was the proverbial diamond in the rough. I don't want to make it out to be the best thing ever, but for a budget game it is surprisingly good.

[gatorr4life]

Ah, I see. I guess I could say darksiders was a diamond in the rough, for me. Probably not to the same extent. After I played it, I was shocked that people really didnt rate it that highly. Very underrated game.

[jojo1254]

thanks GatorFan89.. nice video shared..

[GatorFan89]

thanks GatorFan89.. nice video shared..

You're welcome.

[Sir_Gibby]

The chance to play with 63 other people in the PC-version 64-person supported multiplayer really trumps all. It's no longer squad v squad combat but WAR. That and I don't have to listen to the infantile ramblings of kids and noobs who make up the vast majority of the COD demographic.

[GatorFan89]

New Gameplay. Updated original post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d91BIBgU-ao

[Ericgraves]

Back to karkand is out for ps3 (which I know a number of people play on here). I look forward to wake island because of the good times I had on it with battlefield 1943. For me have to wait a week, oh well. Still would be nice to hear thoughts.

I had a friend inform me of the awesomness that is the F2000, and it is very good. No three round burst so long distance shots become a pain (especially with side to side recoil). But they reduced the vertical kick back while maintaining damage and fire rate.

Another thing I have become fond of doing is using the Mod 11 with a red dot sight instead of a scope. It is pretty powerful. Hit someone in a headshot 220 meters away in that configuration. I honestly felt bad for the guy cause that should not happen.

Also the more I play the more I realize how little KDR actually matters in this game. I feel the people with the high kdrs round after round that aren't actually topping the scoreboards are actually doing a disservice to the team. I mean, if you are good it is relatively easy to name your kdr (even if you aren't good actually). I saw someone who had a legit 6 to 1. But the tactics he relied on pretty much guaranteed this. Kinda funny.

Trying to bring this post back up due to all the battlefield talk in the mw3 topic.

edit- Wrong thread http://yostevo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/homer_simpson_doh.gif

[gatorr4life]

I don't have to listen to the infantile ramblings of kids and noobs who make up the vast majority of the COD demographic.

You do realize you can turn them off? Or are you saying most PC users are usually older?

[GatorFan89]

@eric, I have a 2.7 KDR (I play on PC) and I play lots of objective. My skill level is high though it was in the 600's, which is very high on PC. I am not sure what exactly goes into skill, but it's always been high for me and I assume it has to do with your KDR but also your objective, there is a guy on my friends list on BF3 that has a 2.4 KDR which is really good on PC at least, you hardly see people with anything over a 2.2, I stand out a lot with the 2.7, but anyways, this guy has a 2.4 KDR and his skill level is like 150, so I assume he just tries to just kill everyone.

PS3 did get the new maps already, us PC players and the 360 players get them the 13 I think. I can't wait for Gulf of Oman, I loved that map in BF2.

[G8RBrave]

Is anyone else REALLY annoyed by the tactical light? I thought it was supposed to be fixed by now but its just as annoying as ever.

[Ericgraves]

Is anyone else REALLY annoyed by the tactical light? I thought it was supposed to be fixed by now but its just as annoying as ever.

Only on ps3 is it supposed to be fixed.

They are packaging the update with strike at karkand. It it kinda weird, their updates contain the DLC, but you have to buy the DLC to play it.

This is the way it was in battlefield bad company 2. Also if the add on expands the game like vietnam did then we are in for a treat. Battlefield BC2 vietnam may actually still be my favorite online fps. From a design standpoint it was near perfect.

[gatorr4life]

Is anyone else REALLY annoyed by the tactical light? I thought it was supposed to be fixed by now but its just as annoying as ever.

Yes, yes and more yes! It makes you wonder: how much time did they put into testing this game. (obviously it's a great game) but that is one the dumbest/annoying problems I've ever encountered! Really, really annoying!

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Yeah, the tac light is absurd. Also annoys the hell out of me you can't switch game types or edit classes between rounds.

Probably going to play for a little tonight (Xbox360) if anyone wants. My gamer tag is NOLAgold13. Just be sure to shoot me a message letting me know you're from GC so I don't ignore you.

[Ericgraves]

You can edit classes in between deaths. And 30 seconds before a round starts.

Also I would like to group up, just not tonight. Spent an entire day getting an LDPC code to run in gnuradio and I am spent. Will send message tomorrow night. Gamertag- ericgraves.

[helix139]

Man, those new F-35's from Back to Karkand are not even fair. The damn things can stop and hover in mid flight, and only one side gets them. You can be tailing one, and start to lock on it, and it will just stop and you go flying right past and it drops in behind you and drills you with guns and/or missiles.

[GatorFan89]

The F-35 is a beast of a plane IRL. It's the redesigned, smaller version of the absolutely devastating F-22 Raptor which is the best fighter plane in the world.

[helix139]

The F-35 is a beast of a plane IRL. It's the redesigned, smaller version of the absolutely devastating F-22 Raptor which is the best fighter plane in the world.

yeah. its just not even fair if you're on the other team. Especially since its the STOVL (short take off and vertical landing) version.

[Ericgraves]

It is actually the F-35B. There are different versions of the F-35, they all come from the jsf program.

The main selling points were that the three versions (at one point the A, B and C were intended for army, navy and air force. not sure if that is still true) all used a common stock pile of parts. It was supposed to replace all fighter jets except the F22 due to the F22's speed. With the design emphasis placed on manufacturing instead of performance getting all three jets up to that speed was not feasible.

The other major selling point was actually somewhat plane independent. The logic system for identifying threats was really remarkable. Reminded me of skynet.

They do not have the threat recognition and reaction system implemented in game (although it would be somewhat trivial with only two nodes). So at least there is that.

[GatorFan89]

It is actually the F-35B. There are different versions of the F-35, they all come from the jsf program.

The main selling points were that the three versions (at one point the A, B and C were intended for army, navy and air force. not sure if that is still true) all used a common stock pile of parts. It was supposed to replace all fighter jets except the F22 due to the F22's speed. With the design emphasis placed on manufacturing instead of performance getting all three jets up to that speed was not feasible.

The other major selling point was actually somewhat plane independent. The logic system for identifying threats was really remarkable. Reminded me of skynet.

They do not have the threat recognition and reaction system implemented in game (although it would be somewhat trivial with only two nodes). So at least there is that.

The best logic system I have seen in something would be the AH-64 Apache. That helicopter is a force of nature.

No plane right now can replace the F-22, it is too valuable. Too bad Obama stopped the funding towards making more F-22's, according to him they gave us too much of an advantage, but I will stop there since I don't want this turning into a political debate.

[Ericgraves]

Interesting you reference the Apache's system, aka TADS. I actually worked on that when I was interning at lockheed. Obviously, I don't want to post too much information on what I know/have seen. But...

The walkie talkie is to the internet as TADS is to the JSF's proposed target identification system. There really is no comparison. Think skynet.

[GatorFan89]

Interesting you reference the Apache's system, aka TADS. I actually worked on that when I was interning at lockheed. Obviously, I don't want to post too much information on what I know/have seen. But...

The walkie talkie is to the internet as TADS is to the JSF's proposed target identification system. There really is no comparison. Think skynet.

Really? That's an interesting internship, what field are you in? In terms of like your current job? That sounds cool so I'm curious as to what you do. My job is in no way that awesome.

[Ericgraves]

Electrical engineer. Currently still in school. I interned after I obtained my bachelors.

[GatorFan89]

Been tearing it up on the new maps. They're awesome.

So far I played Sharqi and Wake. Went 28-8 my first game and 13-4 my second.

I almost have the FAMAS unlocked.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Been tearing it up on the new maps. They're awesome.

So far I played Sharqi and Wake. Went 28-8 my first game and 13-4 my second.

I almost have the FAMAS unlocked.

My roommate has been playing a lot today, I haven't had a chance to hop on yet. Grabbing some dinner and finishing up a few things, then I'll check it out. Sounds like the maps are pretty good, huh?

[GatorFan89]

My roommate has been playing a lot today, I haven't had a chance to hop on yet. Grabbing some dinner and finishing up a few things, then I'll check it out. Sounds like the maps are pretty good, huh?

Yeah they're awesome. I've only played on two (Sharqi Peninsula and Wake Island) but they were both cool, Wake Island stood out a lot though. There is a new gametype called Conquest Assault, which worked very well on Wake Island.

Basically you have defenders and attackers like in Rush, except the defenders start off by owning all of the Conquest flags. The attackers then have to push and take the flags. On Wake Island it's awesome because there's like 4 islands and 5 or 6 flags, and the attackers start off on an aircraft carrier and have to assault the islands to try and capture the flags.

There's also 10 new guns that you can unlock, which you unlock by doing specific assignments. Like for the FAMAS you have to get 10 revives and 10 heals to unlock it, others have things like 20 headshots or so on.

There's two new guns for each class plus the two guns that are universal to classes.

[gator929]

I am playing tonight and keep getting kicked off the servers. Anybody else experiencing this?

[GatorFan89]

I am playing tonight and keep getting kicked off the servers. Anybody else experiencing this?

Are you on PC or Xbox?

I've been playing on PC and it's been fine for me. Earlier the Origin thing EA uses was down so I couldn't play, but it's back up and been working fine.

[gator929]

Are you on PC or Xbox?

I've been playing on PC and it's been fine for me. Earlier the Origin thing EA uses was down so I couldn't play, but it's back up and been working fine.

I am on xbox. Never had this problem before, but installed the expansion pack and now cant seem to stay connected.

[GatorFan89]

That's probably an issue that EA has to fix. On PC today earlier in the day I couldn't even log into the client to play the game, and people that were getting in were getting kicked out of servers constantly.

Even now the connections are still bad, most of the games I've gone in to have been really laggy. They really need to get on the ball.

[gayter]

The graphics are more pure and thrilling to play. Time to seek and destroy!! Playing this on a less PC is indeed criminal.

[gatorr4life]

Some of these ribbons are crazy hard to get. Nemisis to name one. Practically impossible for me. (unless I boost, I guess)

[Ericgraves]

Some of these ribbons are crazy hard to get. Nemisis to name one. Practically impossible for me. (unless I boost, I guess)

Keep trying, eventually you will get them. Also for ribbons like nemesis and combat efficiency, they are like moving average filters. For example combat efficiency is awarded at 8 kills, 10 kills, 12 kills and so on.

Getting hot you can find yourself with a bunch of them really quickly. Or you could always just be a dick and sit at the back of the map with a MAV and run over people. But then you will burn in a special place of hell. A special hell indeed.

[Vindibudd]

Some of these ribbons are crazy hard to get. Nemisis to name one. Practically impossible for me. (unless I boost, I guess)

It's actually not that difficult. You just have to let lots of people kill you a lot of times. ;)

[gatorr4life]

I am playing tonight and keep getting kicked off the servers. Anybody else experiencing this?

I'm on ps3 and I was getting booted a lot last night. Very unusual. I'd go stretches (an hour just fine) and then 4 times in a row I got booted.

[gatorr4life]

It's actually not that difficult. You just have to let lots of people kill you a lot of times. ;)

Or YOU can help me out! How many kills does it take to become a nemesis?

[PIMking]

I'm only like 13% into the download because the damn xbox keeps getting booted off live after a few minuets.

However, I have been playing a lot of it and I have gotten a lot better. Scoring roughly 3k-4k a game. I just hate being the russians. The rifle sucks, the ak47 sucks ( I hate using it)

I want mortars in the worst way. I don't know how I get em though. I've been picking tanks up and capping flags and raping people while I'm at it.

Like today I played for a little bit and the dude messed up my tank with his real bad so I jumped out and ran for cover. The dude jumps out of his tank and tries to repair it and I blew his brain all over the side of his tank. Then I proceeded to run up and take his tank, turn the turret and blow up the car next to it taking out 3 of his teammates and capped the flag that won the game. It was AWESOME! The only thing I hate still is how many rounds it takes to kill someone. I can get two or three hit markers on someone but they nail me once and I'm down.

[gatorr4life]

The better the gun, the better chance of killing him first. Accuracy helps too... Lol some of the guns have terrible recoil, which drives me nuts. You almost have to aim at their legs to make sure it won't be a problem. Im not a BF3 veteran so I guess I'll let somebody else go into more details. I'm getting better though. Rank 22 right now, mostly with assault class. (medic)

[ThomasGoldkamp]

I'm only like 13% into the download because the damn xbox keeps getting booted off live after a few minuets.

However, I have been playing a lot of it and I have gotten a lot better. Scoring roughly 3k-4k a game. I just hate being the russians. The rifle sucks, the ak47 sucks ( I hate using it)

I want mortars in the worst way. I don't know how I get em though. I've been picking tanks up and capping flags and raping people while I'm at it.

Like today I played for a little bit and the dude messed up my tank with his real bad so I jumped out and ran for cover. The dude jumps out of his tank and tries to repair it and I blew his brain all over the side of his tank. Then I proceeded to run up and take his tank, turn the turret and blow up the car next to it taking out 3 of his teammates and capped the flag that won the game. It was AWESOME! The only thing I hate still is how many rounds it takes to kill someone. I can get two or three hit markers on someone but they nail me once and I'm down.

You have to class up your support class a good bit to get mortars. Honestly, they're not nearly as good as you think unless you've got a teammate spotting people with an MAV.

[GatorFan89]

OMG, the SV98 with no optics is my baby. I'm running around one shotting people in hardcore with the thing. I was playing Gulf of Oman and split a dude's cranium from the beach, using just the iron sights. He was on the crane, I got like 400+ marksman points.

[Ericgraves]

You have to class up your support class a good bit to get mortars. Honestly, they're not nearly as good as you think unless you've got a teammate spotting people with an MAV.

Not sure if you encountered this yet, but people will sit back far in their spawn and mortar from there. You can not mortar into a spawn so they are nearly untouchable. They have infinite ammo which can reach near anywhere on the map and they can't be hurt.

Fair? Yes.

[G8RBrave]

I find it difficult to get a good kill:death ratio in the early levels. I mean, I only have time for maybe 2-3 hours per week of playing. So, I don't have the best guns, ammo, etc. Is this the case for everyone early on or do I just suck?

[PIMking]

My K/D has bumped up to .79 now. I'm getting a lot better and really enjoy the game as long as I don't get stuck with idiots that want to just fly around and we get murdered and the other team has like 200 points still when the game is over.

I still haven't been able to get a kill with the plane, or the helicopter. However I love running up with c4 behind a tank and put a few on there, then run like hell and blow them into mars.

I was playing on the one with the tunnel and right at the beginning I got in the chopper with another guy in my squad and we flew over Flag A I dropped a few C4's on them and killed the whole team. I got a few Messages over it and they weren't too happy.

[gator929]

I really struggle with accuracy and was wondering if anyone could clue me in to which weapons are the best in terms of minimum recoil.

[GatorFan89]

I can't fly the the helis either, it's hard with a mouse and keyboard. Well, I can fly them well I just have trouble aiming steadily and flying straight. I did kill like 4 people on Gulf of Oman with the missiles but I crashed right after. I stick to the tanks normally.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

I have a .79 KD ratio right now, but that's mostly because all I do is fly around on levels with planes. Now that I've got my planes classed all the way up, I can stay pretty close to even KD, but before that I'd go 1-7, 2-10, stuff like that. So my KD isn't necessarily reflective of how I am when I'm on the ground. I'd say I'm probably around a 1.2 or 1.3 just taking into account ground combat.

I can kill in the jet now, though.

[PIMking]

I wish that if I hit you in the head with a sniper gun that you would die. There has been a few times that the only way I got a hit marker on them is if I hit them in the head.

[chrisleakfan4life]

I love battlefield 3 over CoD. It sucks at times trying to find people but the game can be a lot of fun

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[Ericgraves]

I love battlefield 3 over CoD. It sucks at times trying to find people but the game can be a lot of fun

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We have 4 people on the xbox version, you, thomas, pimking, and myself.

I invited you when the beacon was up but you were afk.

[gatorr4life]

Vindibudd and I are on ps3. Anyone else?

[ThomasGoldkamp]

After bad-mouthing the mortars, I went 11-3 in a game mortaring the hell out of people last night. So there's that.

[gatorr4life]

Mortars are so pathetic. Sit back and Lob up bombs... Weak

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Mortars are so pathetic. Sit back and Lob up bombs... Weak

Yeah, I can't stand them. I used them because the other team had us pinned back into our spawn on Grand Bazaar. Pulled back behind a corner and started blasting the hell out of them to get them off us.

[Ericgraves]

Yeah what Thomas did is the only situation in which I consider it ok to do that.

[PIMking]

I can't wait to get motors.
It seems like it takes forever to get them.....
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[gatorr4life]

Even when I'm pinned back, I still would prefer to fight my way through. Trust me, I know all about grand bazaar. That's my favorite map. I get my upgraded shotty and reck havoc in the hallways! Lol One time I noticed a guy doing exactly what you were doing, (for cheap shots though. He was'nt pinned back) I ran through their territory (10 sec time limit) and knifed him.

He figured I would leave him alone after that, and he could do it some more... WRONG. killed him again. I bet he was pissed! Lol

[GatorFan89]

Had my best game ever, I was going 37-8 and I probably lost my stats. Some guy on the other team ran his mouth to me (Idk why, he was 10-11) and I called him a bitch then got booted from the server for swearing. So gay.

[PIMking]

Anyone want to play I'm on now. Pimking13

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[chrisleakfan4life]

What i like about this game and why i prefer it over Call of Duty is the fact you don't have to get a lot of kills to help the team out.

My KD is only 0.90(114 kills 126 deaths) but i get a lot of XP in games by capping flags, and basically doing medical stuff i.e. revives and health kits.

I like how you can actually get around the map and don't turn a corner and get killed by some guy corner camping behind a barrel.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Anyone know what their skill rating is? My KD is 0.80, my W-L ratio is 1.17 and my skill is 205.

[Ericgraves]

Skill is more about position in game. But it is highly variable I go from like 400 to 800 in the span of a day or two.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Skill is more about position in game. But it is highly variable I go from like 400 to 800 in the span of a day or two.

Yeah, I suck. :laugh:

[chrisleakfan4life]

Yeah, I suck. :laugh:

Im sure you're better than me :grin:

[PIMking]

Thomas can attest to the fact that I love to motar. Lol I had a bunch of kills with it on grand brazzar last night.

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[gatorr4life]

I don't care about K/D ratio, to be honest. Maybe a little, but not much. I'm more about points. I try to average 2,000 points a game. (emphasis on try) I think the highest I got was 4,000. Don't think ive ever hit 5,000. If you want to improve your K/D ratio, get in tanks.

[Ericgraves]

Yeah I agree. I try not to mention my kdr for that reason. It is really a jaded stat.

[gatorr4life]

Hit a career high of 6,500. Or some number close to that. It was definiltey over 6,000 though. I had a million revives and health pack heals. And obviously a decent amount of kills. I'll never get that high again. Lol

[gatorr4life]

Forgot to mention: I ended up getting the ever elusive, at least for me, squad wipe ribbon. Got it with a tank. Just lit up buildings with enemies respawing in them--( Near the rush objectives) Now on to some more elusive ribbons--nemesis and air ribbons. :(

[Ericgraves]

Forgot to mention: I ended up getting the ever elusive, at least for me, squad wipe ribbon. Got it with a tank. Just lit up buildings with enemies respawing in them--( Near the rush objectives) Now on to some more elusive ribbons--nemesis and air ribbons. :(

The air ribbon has been my bane. After an hour in jets I had 16 total kills. Today though dips rush Caspian border, got the jet and managed to destroy two tanks, both with two people in it. So I was at 4, decided to commit myself full on to getting airwarfare ribbon. I ended up killing another tank with one person in it, and was 1 away with 7 tickets left on the other team. I managed to get the final kill in the jet, when I saw a tank I basically dive bombed it. Knew I didn't have time for another pass so I just went head on at it. As I said, final kill, mvp, air warfare ribbon, vehicle warfare achievement, rush winner ribbon, ace squad ribbon.

I just have team deathwatch and squad rush ribbons left. Hope to get decorated before christmas.

[GatorFan89]

I don't try to unlock any of the ribbons, I just play. I'm trying to unlock some of the B2K guns right now, I almost have the L96. In terms of ribbons, I have like 50-some of the kill streak ribbons and I'm only a level 24.

By the way, the Tunguska thing is an absolute monster. On Wake Island I don't even allow boats to make it to shore before I wreck them with that thing. I had a 15 kill streak in it, so I dislike when people take it and just sit at the airfield with it and shoot at planes, I don't think they realize how effective it is, especially against infantry. If you see 4 or 5 guys running down a hill while you're in that thing, oh my God, it's like a Christmas present.

[gatorr4life]

I got the nemesis ribbon tonight, by just playing normally. Wasn't trying for it at all. I really thought I was going to need somone's help with it. All I need now are the defend 4 mcom stations, and 6 kills in the air.

Then it's on to co-op missions, and grinding multiplayer to level 45. Which really isn't a grind at all, actually. The game is a lot of fun. I've already gotten all the campaign trophies.

Some of those co-op trophies are going to be a pain in the you know what......sigh!

[Ericgraves]

For defend 4 Mcom stations you must kill them while they are planting. Just being near it doesn't seem to cut it.

Congrats on nemesis though.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Ill be on later tonight after the Boise State vs Arizona State if anybody wants to hit up Battlefield 3.

[gatorr4life]

For defend 4 Mcom stations you must kill them while they are planting. I thought i had to disarm it while it was going off. Lol good to know. Regardless, sounds like a pain in the butt. Then again, if I got nemesis and squad wipe by accident, I guess this should'nt be too hard. Especially since I'll be specifically aiming for it.

One thing I'd like to point out: I think people have been confusing how to obtain the nemesis ribbon. Lots of people think you need to get killed 8 times by the same player, and then kill them. However, I recently read YOU have to kill someone 8 times to get it. Did that make any sense? Lol

[Ericgraves]

You have to kill someone 5 times without them killing you. That is what the nemesis ribbon has been for in the past. If it has changed then it is you have to kill 8 people I guess.

[gatorr4life]

Uh, I got the nemesis ribbon again. Wth? Lol I thought it was going to take me forever to get it, and I got it twice in two days.

[gatorr4life]

Nemesis ribbon--

You have to kill someone 5 times in order to get one Nemesis kill bonus (Does not have to be in a row and you can die multiple times, even by the person you are trying to get the Nemesis bonus against), then if you kill the same person 1 more time (6 times total) to get another Nemesis bonus and you will get the ribbon. Or you can kill 2 separate people 5 times each. You can try to go for this in Squad Deathmatch and it might be easier. Again, you CAN die and can other players in between.

[Ericgraves]

Yeah that was on a loading screen today. Same goes for combats efficiency. 5 kills and you start getting streak bonuses. A kill streak of 7 and a kill streak of 6 will get a ribbon.

[gatorr4life]

The bullseye trophy has got to be the most ridiculous trophy ever. If anyone can help me, please contact me! While we're at it, we can do all the missions on hard, too.

[PIMking]

A squad member and I have been tearing it up in the chopper. Flies and we just tear up the other teams planes and choppers. It got to the point where we just sat at their spawn and ripped their spawning aircraft down.

[gatorr4life]

Would be nice if I could get a partner like that. I got three kills in the chopper last night (as a passenger). Hats off to anyone who can fly the heli. I gave up on it. Tried switching to southpaw and every other setting they had. Nothing felt comfortable. Beyond stupid... I haven't even tried the jets yet. Lol

[gatorr4life]

Well, I got 6 air kills 3 different times and no trophy. The first two I found out was because I was using the wrong chopper. The last one was legit....my pilot got the ribbon but not me! I had 7 kills and nothing! looks like I might have to learn how to fly the heli. I am getting better at it, after some practice. I can fly it pretty decently, but shooting at the same time is too hard for me, at the moment. Then there's the 2 jets and other helicopters buzzing by you, trying to shoot you down. Talk about annoying! I'm unlocking gadgets for it, making it easier though. Still, I was told you could get it as a gunner. Very frustrating trophy....

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Gotta learn how to fly the jets. It's much easier to get six kills in the jet once you're pretty classed up than it is in the chopper. Take out the two jets in the air and then hit up their runway repeatedly. You'll get six kills pretty quickly.

[rburnett]

Gotta learn how to fly the jets. It's much easier to get six kills in the jet once you're pretty classed up than it is in the chopper. Take out the two jets in the air and then hit up their runway repeatedly. You'll get six kills pretty quickly.

Oh that's you doing that? I tried to fly the jets the other day and I kept getting destroyed as soon as I took off. Probably because I have nothing on my jet yet lol

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Oh that's you doing that? I tried to fly the jets the other day and I kept getting destroyed as soon as I took off. Probably because I have nothing on my jet yet lol

It doesn't matter if you have your jets classed all the way up if someone's sitting on the runway making repeated passes. You won't get off the ground. It's kinda cheap, actually... :laugh:

You'll class up your jets in a heartbeat, though.

[gatorr4life]

It doesn't matter if you have your jets classed all the way up if someone's sitting on the runway making repeated passes. You won't get off the ground. It's kinda cheap, actually... :laugh:

You'll class up your jets in a heartbeat, though.

Kind of cheap? that's extremely cheap. But I won't be a hypocrite. I did that with the choppers too. not for points though, just trying to get 6 kills!

[gatorr4life]

Finally got it... Unbelievable how I got it. Jumped in the chopper with some (random) pilot, and next thing I know I have 7 kills and the ribbon. Who ever said just play the game normally and ribbons will come naturally couldn't be more right. It's almost as if actually going for it made it harder. At least it felt that way. Now on to the ever elusive bullseye trophy. Sigh....Hardest trophy in the game, by far.

[gatorr4life]

Anybody still playing this game? Lol I'm still trying to get that bullseye trophy. Ridiculously hard.... Wow. Also, I'm just about to hit rank 45. I think I'm around 39, currently.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

What's the bullseye trophy?

I still play when I can break free from work, up around level 44 I think.

I'm all about the M40A5 sniper rifle. Got the bolt action and 12x scope on it. Been tearing people up with it. Had a headshot from 377 meters recently. Just an absurd shot with great drop and lead on the guy.

[gatorr4life]

Bullseye is the trophy you get in co op. (drop 'em like liquid). It's insane....

[Vindibudd]

Dude, people will be playing this game for years. I just don't have the patience to do Bullseye because I don't think our connections are equal. You seem a second behind me and that is no way to coordinate. The Complete Warrior trophy is a pain to get too, but I finally got it on Wake, it's the kill in a jet, with assault rifle, and with tank in a single life.

[gatorr4life]

Dude, people will be playing this game for years. I just don't have the patience to do Bullseye because I don't think our connections are equal. You seem a second behind me and that is no way to coordinate..

I was playing with a guy in Cali, and strangely enough, we did very well. Unfortunately, he just moved away before we could get it. I'm still trying for it....:sick:

[gatorr4life]

After bad-mouthing the mortars, I went 11-3 in a game mortaring the hell out of people last night. So there's that.

I tried mortars for the first time last night. Went something like 25-4! haha 'Kept waiting for someone to come and knife me from behind. Nope..... lol Also, had something like 27 savior ribbons. At least I think it was savior ribbons. I know it was 27 of some thing! lol
That's crazy how you can just sit there and light people up like that. I felt like I was cheating. Might try it a couple of more times, but that's it. I prefer to be a medic. I have over 1,200 revives. Who here has anything close to that? Silence......lol:grin:

[Ericgraves]

Back from the dead thread.

As much as I think talking about kdr is like talking about the size of your junk, I still wanted to congratulate Thomas on getting his kdr greater than 1. It has been slowly inching up there and today I finally noticed he had eclipsed 1. So congrats!

[gatorr4life]

Never did get the bullseye trophy I seeked. Maybe one day down the road. On to uncharted 3, for now!

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Back from the dead thread.

As much as I think talking about kdr is like talking about the size of your junk, I still wanted to congratulate Thomas on getting his kdr greater than 1. It has been slowly inching up there and today I finally noticed he had eclipsed 1. So congrats!

I'm actually at 1.5 on my other XBox Live account. Stupid I had to create a whole other XBox Live account to "prestige." That may be the single dumbest thing about the whole game.

[Ericgraves]

Huh? There is no prestige...

[Ericgraves]

Also if you do plan to maintain two accounts, I would suggest going with xbox live gold family plan. Gives you four accounts for the price of two.

[Ericgraves]

New Battlefield dlc (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/13/battlefield-3-gets-intimate-with-close-quarters-screens-trail/) coming in june.

All indoors maps, which is actually something I wanted. I like Operation Metro (plays great on rush), although I know many don't.

Also adding 10 new weapons. Going through the video 7 are shown.


L86A1 (note the L85 was in back to karkand, the L86 is a different weapon
SCAR-L (not to be confused with the SCAR-H already in game)
AUG
LSAT
MTAR-21
ACW-R
SPAS-12

[ThomasGoldkamp]

Huh? There is no prestige...

Exactly my point. I had to create a new XBox Live account to go back through multiplayer from scratch.

[Ericgraves]

Exactly my point. I had to create a new XBox Live account to go back through multiplayer from scratch.

That was what I thought you meant. It just seemed odd. In COD you would prestige to get a new icon, which was a declaration of how long you had been playing. But you can keep getting new ranks past 45 in battlefield, and all the unlocks take so much time that prestige would seem unreasonable.

But to each their own. What level are you on your second account?

[PIMking]

I wish the server admins would quit being little girls and quit stacking their teams.

The rifles seem to be a little harder to control now.

[ThomasGoldkamp]

That was what I thought you meant. It just seemed odd. In COD you would prestige to get a new icon, which was a declaration of how long you had been playing. But you can keep getting new ranks past 45 in battlefield, and all the unlocks take so much time that prestige would seem unreasonable.

But to each their own. What level are you on your second account?

37 maybe? I don't know, I like looking forward to things. Guess I'm a goals-oriented kinda person. Seems pointless if you don't have anything to work toward.

[chrisleakfan4life]

Thomas, feel free to add me on your other account if you want to play sometime.