The Official "I need help with a new TV purchase" thread

[helix139]

I'm getting the following but I need suggestions for speakers(and any other suggestions would be most appreciated as well):


Samsung LN52A750 52" 1080p LCD HDTV

Yamaha RX-V663BL receiver

Panasonic DMPBD30K BLU-RAY Disc player

Toshiba HDA3 Upconversion DVD/HD-DVD Player

4X1 HDMI Switch w/Deep Color Support - 1440p Rated

Sirius Sportster 5 Dock + Play Radio with Homekit



:joecool: Thanks...

Just curious why you decided to go with an HD-DVD player even though they're obsolete. Unless you already have a few discs, I wouldn't invest in a new one

[Aardvark]

I have some HD-DVD media plus I paid $50 for it.

[Aardvark]

Not to mention it plays regular DVD's & CD's.

I went w\ Yamaha speakers to compliment my Yamaha RX.

[panamacitygator]

I have both a blu ray player and a HD DVD and I think in my opinion that the HD
DVD does a better job of upconverting.


Plus there are still some cheap HD DVD media out there!!!http://www.deepdiscount.com/HD-DVD_stcVVcatId462364VVviewcat.htm

[Ericgraves]

I just got my TV. I decided on a Sharp Aquos. 52 in. LCD, 60 Hz.

I am happy with my purchase, and must thank you for the guidance oh wise tv sage helix. Thank you.

[GATORblu]

Thanks helix, really appreciate the help! Here we go:

1. Looking to spend right around $1,000, but can go up to maybe $1,300. I just started a new job and am definitely on a budget.

2. As far as sound goes, I'd say a 1. I have a pretty decent surround sound setup, so I'm not really concerned about the TV sound.

3. Sam's

4. I have no need to wall mount it, am not opposed to any rear projection TVs.

5. No restrictions.

6. Fairly small living room, mostly watching from maybe 10 feet away or so.

7. No solely as a TV.

8. Occasionally play NCAA '08 and '09, on my old PS2. Future roommate may have a PS3, so maybe an occasional Bluray movie.

9. I'd say size is probably a 10, while picture quality is a 7 or 8.

10. No brand loyalty or anything like that.

11. Would probably prefer to purchase it online actually.

12. Fairly small room, with two windows right next to the TV location. The windows can very easily be covered with curtains though.

13. 60" is probably too big (and expensive).

14. None

15. None

16. Sports and action movies, plus the usual sitcoms/whatever's on...

17. DIY type, not paying for installation

18. Not planning on wall mounting

19. Nothing that I can think of


Thanks everyone for the help!

[LeafUF]

I will leave the actual recommendations to the pro but for a good site try
http://www.bestbuyplasma.com/

A lot of people on here have used it, including myself, and I havent heard any complaints. I saved money even with shipping cost and got my TV in less time than they promised.

[helix139]

Thanks helix, really appreciate the help! Here we go:

1. Looking to spend right around $1,000, but can go up to maybe $1,300. I just started a new job and am definitely on a budget.

2. As far as sound goes, I'd say a 1. I have a pretty decent surround sound setup, so I'm not really concerned about the TV sound.

3. Sam's

4. I have no need to wall mount it, am not opposed to any rear projection TVs.

5. No restrictions.

6. Fairly small living room, mostly watching from maybe 10 feet away or so.

7. No solely as a TV.

8. Occasionally play NCAA '08 and '09, on my old PS2. Future roommate may have a PS3, so maybe an occasional Bluray movie.

9. I'd say size is probably a 10, while picture quality is a 7 or 8.

10. No brand loyalty or anything like that.

11. Would probably prefer to purchase it online actually.

12. Fairly small room, with two windows right next to the TV location. The windows can very easily be covered with curtains though.

13. 60" is probably too big (and expensive).

14. None

15. None

16. Sports and action movies, plus the usual sitcoms/whatever's on...

17. DIY type, not paying for installation

18. Not planning on wall mounting

19. Nothing that I can think of


Thanks everyone for the help!

You made it easy :) my top recommendation would be a 42" Panasonic Plasma, though any 40-42" LCD from Sony, Samsung, Philips, Sharp, or LG would work. slickdeals.net frequently has some nice TV deals (I've seen a 40" Samsung for 900 on there recently, as well as several Panny's). just search the hot deals forum by brand name. As Leaf said, bestbuyplasma.com is a great site if you don't particularly feel like deal hunting on slickdeals. You really have no need for 1080p, but if you get a PS3 or 360 or blu-ray player sometime in the near future you may enjoy it. If you don't mind stretching your budget slightly, there is an outstanding set here (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=852893), and another one here (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=829272).

other sets here (http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=852561&highlight=panasonic) and here (http://www.bestbuyplasma.com/searchResultsList.html?productSearch=&eTag=PXIxICl9ZDIpNDNvcGJpbXx6biwqeC8mPTUkQXZndmVvZ GF%2BYGIuKmU2OyIyNX1kaVZ2eGphemFyMSh1LTErLGFgcGVha zN8YSwqeC8iNi1kZ3JldzE9ZDIoNDN8cHhteXxmfm0zMGg%2B)

[GATORblu]

Thanks for the help everyone, and especially helix. Hate to keep bugging you all, but any input/advice regarding this one?

Link (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771067000P?mv=cf&vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions)

[helix139]

Thanks for the help everyone, and especially helix. Hate to keep bugging you all, but any input/advice regarding this one?

Link (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771067000P?mv=cf&vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&cName=Televisions)

Great TV at a great price.

[allig8ralli]

Thanking you in advance for all your help helix. Much appreciated.

1) $2000.00 will be willing to spend to get best quality but wife may leave if I spend too much.
2) 5-6
3) No
4) A) wall mount
4) B) 52"
5) 12--15 feet
6) NO
7) NO
8) 1
9) Best bang for the buck
10) NO
11) 15' x 20' room. TV in corner approx 6' off ground. fireplace to left of tv. large 4' x 8' picture window to right of tv. will need angle bracket and pivot so tv can sit diagonal in corner.
12) no
13) no
14) no
15) SPORTS!!!
16) professional installation
17) pulls/pivots
18) nothing I can think of.

Thank you again. We can utilize Sam's club through my Dad if we can save a little.

aa

[UFnuts]

Thanks in advance for your help. This is exactly what I need as we have just moved into a new house and I have been stressing over how to handle this. Here are the answers to the questions. Thanks for your advice!

1. Trying to stay at a max of $5,000.

2. 7 out of 10 on sound

3. Family has Costco membership

4. No size restriction

5. Approx 10 feet (120 inches)

6. No need for computer monitor right now although all else being equal it would be nice to have that option for the future if need be.

7. No video games.

8. Picture quality is very important but I also think I want at least a 50 inch TV.

9. Samsung

10. Slightly prefer a place like Best Buy as they can handle everything at once including installing it on the wall but if I can save money I am definitely willing to purchase online.

11. I would like the TV to be mounted on the wall above the fireplace. There is average light in the room via windows (we have blinds and may or may not add curtains but it isn't too too bright due to the porch ceiling being right outside.)

12. Yes

13. NA

14. NA

15. SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS...mainly FOOTBALL. Some movies and TV Shows like 24, The Office, Etc.

16. Professional installation.

17. Wall mount above the fireplace.

18. Wall mount over fireplace.

My gut and uneducated opinion tells me a 50 inch Samsung LCD. But I'm still torn on LCD vs Plasma and also where to buy it. But I trust your judgment more than my own. Thanks for your help and advice!!!

[helix139]

Thanking you in advance for all your help helix. Much appreciated.

1) $2000.00 will be willing to spend to get best quality but wife may leave if I spend too much.
2) 5-6
3) No
4) A) wall mount
4) B) 52"
5) 12--15 feet
6) NO
7) NO
8) 1
9) Best bang for the buck
10) NO
11) 15' x 20' room. TV in corner approx 6' off ground. fireplace to left of tv. large 4' x 8' picture window to right of tv. will need angle bracket and pivot so tv can sit diagonal in corner.
12) no
13) no
14) no
15) SPORTS!!!
16) professional installation
17) pulls/pivots
18) nothing I can think of.

Thank you again. We can utilize Sam's club through my Dad if we can save a little.

aa


The position you will be putting the TV will make it really hard to wall mount. You'll have to spend a big chunk of your budget on a heavy duty wall-mount, and even then those aren't designed to remain in the extended position for a long period of time, not to mention the stress on your wall. Personally I would be a little nervous about that. What you may want to consider instead is a flat panel TV stand. I got one at Wal-Mart that works well in the corner and will support any flat-panel up to around 135 lbs I think, as long as they conform to most mounting standards. You can run the cables up through them and place your A/V equpiment on the shelves for a really clean appearance.

As far as the actual TV, you are going to want something around 50", definitely not much smaller than that, preferably 1080p, with a glare-resistant screen. LCD's without a high-gloss screen and several Panasonic Plasmas will meet your needs.

If you can't tell by my recent recommendations, I'm a big fan of the picture quality and bang for the buck you get from Panasonic Plasmas right now. Their picture quality is second only to Pioneer Elite plasmas, which cost thousands more with a marginal difference in quality.

That said, you couldn't go wrong with a Samsung, Philips, Sony, LG, or Sharp LCD. I believe Philips and Sharp to offer the best current value in LCDs, with an image quality very close to the Samsungs and Sony sets. You will pay a premium for Sony, and to a lesser extent, Samsung.

For particular sets, here are a couple to check out...

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=175544&c=1&linkid=j13459594k1971&affiliateid=k1971&mid=sduidp0t861660 this one is only a 46", but is an excellent set. There is also an 8% off coupon from AAA available for Circuit City, which will save you more.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=861788 Pretty decent deal on a pretty decent Sharp, but not sure if you were saying no to having to buy it at a B&M or no to buying online

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=396568&pCatg=9666 Excellent set

If you are only planning to buy at a B&M, there are some 10% or 12% off coupons for best buy available if you google. Otherwise, Sams has a few decent deals, so definitely go to your local one and take a look at a few sets.

[helix139]

Thanks in advance for your help. This is exactly what I need as we have just moved into a new house and I have been stressing over how to handle this. Here are the answers to the questions. Thanks for your advice!

1. Trying to stay at a max of $5,000.

2. 7 out of 10 on sound

3. Family has Costco membership

4. No size restriction

5. Approx 10 feet (120 inches)

6. No need for computer monitor right now although all else being equal it would be nice to have that option for the future if need be.

7. No video games.

8. Picture quality is very important but I also think I want at least a 50 inch TV.

9. Samsung

10. Slightly prefer a place like Best Buy as they can handle everything at once including installing it on the wall but if I can save money I am definitely willing to purchase online.

11. I would like the TV to be mounted on the wall above the fireplace. There is average light in the room via windows (we have blinds and may or may not add curtains but it isn't too too bright due to the porch ceiling being right outside.)

12. Yes

13. NA

14. NA

15. SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS...mainly FOOTBALL. Some movies and TV Shows like 24, The Office, Etc.

16. Professional installation.

17. Wall mount above the fireplace.

18. Wall mount over fireplace.

My gut and uneducated opinion tells me a 50 inch Samsung LCD. But I'm still torn on LCD vs Plasma and also where to buy it. But I trust your judgment more than my own. Thanks for your help and advice!!!

Go at least 42". 50" will be outstanding. I wouldn't mount a Plasma over a fireplace, so go with LCD. Also, go 1080p at that size and distance. You'll appreciate the extra pixels when watching 1080i content such as the Office, 24, or UF Football on CBS. 120hz is not a necessity but given that your budget is not really restricted, it would give you flexibility for the future should you decide to add a Blu-Ray player and use 1080p/24 mode. Put around $3000 into your TV and the other $2000 into your surround sound system. I'll let uflawyer make the recommendations in that department.

As for the wall mounting, you could save a couple hundred doing it yourself. It's pretty simple as long as you and someone else can lift an ~90lb TV and you know how to use a level, drill, socket wrench, and studfinder, and you don't need to run a complex mess of wires through the wall.

Here are a few ideas for a TV though, and don't forget to search for 10% or 12% off coupons for best buy or 8% AAA coupons for circuit city on google if you decide to go that route, and check bestbuyplasma.com:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8833747&type=product&id=1208561586776

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8804314&type=product&id=1206141945227

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11267656&whse=BC&Ne=5000002+4000000&eCat=BC|79|2341|3316&N=4001382%204294908732&Mo=11&pos=1&No=2&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC10605-Cat2341&topnav=

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11273898&whse=BC&Ne=5000002+4000000&eCat=BC|79|2341|3316&N=4001382%204294908732&Mo=11&pos=1&No=4&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC10605-Cat2341&topnav=

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8793932&type=product&id=1205537711725

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8251367&type=product&id=1169512581364

[Aardvark]

I got my system almost completely set up. Just waiting for my Klipsch subwoofer to go along w\ my Klipsch & Yamaha speakers.

The Samsung 52" LCD along w\ my Panasonic Blu-ray DVD player & Yamaha receiver\amp & speakers are awesome to say the least...

:robot:

[uflawyer]

Thanks in advance for your help. This is exactly what I need as we have just moved into a new house and I have been stressing over how to handle this. Here are the answers to the questions. Thanks for your advice!

1. Trying to stay at a max of $5,000.

2. 7 out of 10 on sound

3. Family has Costco membership

4. No size restriction

5. Approx 10 feet (120 inches)

6. No need for computer monitor right now although all else being equal it would be nice to have that option for the future if need be.

7. No video games.

8. Picture quality is very important but I also think I want at least a 50 inch TV.

9. Samsung

10. Slightly prefer a place like Best Buy as they can handle everything at once including installing it on the wall but if I can save money I am definitely willing to purchase online.

11. I would like the TV to be mounted on the wall above the fireplace. There is average light in the room via windows (we have blinds and may or may not add curtains but it isn't too too bright due to the porch ceiling being right outside.)

12. Yes

13. NA

14. NA

15. SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS...mainly FOOTBALL. Some movies and TV Shows like 24, The Office, Etc.

16. Professional installation.

17. Wall mount above the fireplace.

18. Wall mount over fireplace.

My gut and uneducated opinion tells me a 50 inch Samsung LCD. But I'm still torn on LCD vs Plasma and also where to buy it. But I trust your judgment more than my own. Thanks for your help and advice!!!

What A/V equipment/speakers do you already own? Or, do you want me start from scratch? $2K will get you a decent surround system with BlueRay.

[UFnuts]

uflawyer - I am starting from scratch except for a basic aiwa stereo w/ two speakers that was purchased in 1999! :)

[uflawyer]

Denon AVR-2308CI (http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?item=DNAVR2308CI&id=DNAVR2308CI&l=PRICEGRABB) $579.99 (No tax & free shipping) (Abe's is a very good and safe on line electronics retailer)SPECS (http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3631.asp)


Klipsch SB-2 5.1 System (http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?PID=1166) $896 (no tax & free shipping). I have recommended this system to numerous gators on this board and they all have loved it. Most have purchased it from this site with no problems. If you want 7.1 sound you will need to buy 2 more ss.5 speakers.

As for the Blue ray DVD player I would recommend the PS3, it has decent video output and can also serve as a media player in Windows.

You will need speaker wire (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm). I recommend 14 gauge from Radio Shack. Do not waste your money on the gimmicks. You will also need 1 HDMI cable between your receiver and TV, and 1 for your DVD/PS3 to your receiver. The receiver above has 2 HDMI inputs, which will allow for a cable/Satellite hook up as well (you should use HDMI is possible)

[Swampmaster]

uflawyer: If I buy an HD TV, but I have a AV receiver (Yamaha) from a few years ago that does not have HDMI inputs, is that a problem?

[uflawyer]

uflawyer: If I buy an HD TV, but I have a AV receiver (Yamaha) from a few years ago that does not have HDMI inputs, is that a problem?

Not at all. You can use optical audio, which is standard on most A/V receivers and DVD players. The advantage for HDMI is that is is an all in one deal, and the A/V receivers can act as a switch between the devices.

[GatorOnWheels]

Thanks in advance for the advice:

1.$1400 maximum

2. 1, I already have a surround sound system.

3.No memberships.

4. I a dorm room, a bigger projection TV would not be a good.

4. 32-38 Inches.

5. 8 or so feet.

6. Not really, would use it as a monitor at some point if available though.

7. Yes. Xbox 360 is pretty much what this TV is going to doing most of the time.

8. 2

9. Nope.

10. In store defiantly.


11. 1 window that is large, but 90 percent of the viewing area of the window a wall.

12. No

13. No

14. No

15. Sports Sports Sports

16. DIY... Wall-Mounting is not an option.

17. No.

18. Nope.

[Aardvark]

http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/47315059/st=featured/sv=title/

[helix139]

Thanks in advance for the advice:

1.$1400 maximum

2. 1, I already have a surround sound system.

3.No memberships.

4. I a dorm room, a bigger projection TV would not be a good.

4. 32-38 Inches.

5. 8 or so feet.

6. Not really, would use it as a monitor at some point if available though.

7. Yes. Xbox 360 is pretty much what this TV is going to doing most of the time.

8. 2

9. Nope.

10. In store defiantly.


11. 1 window that is large, but 90 percent of the viewing area of the window a wall.

12. No

13. No

14. No

15. Sports Sports Sports

16. DIY... Wall-Mounting is not an option.

17. No.

18. Nope.

I think your best value would be in the 40-42" size range, as sets that size don't cost much more than 37" and they can be had on your budget. 1080p is not a must for you, but you may see some benefit at that viewing distance.

That said, I think this link (http://gizmodo.com/5025045/wait-to-buy-hdtvs-about-to-get-even-cheaper) may be of interest to you. If you don't mind waiting until the beginning of August, I think you'll get a better price.

If you can't wait, here are a few good values:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001418W2C/ref=nosim/slickdeals

http://www.pcrichard.com/catalog/product.jsp?modelNo=TH42PX80U&CMP

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=873918

Of those, the Panasonic would be my choice, but there are plenty of other choices in your price range in the 40-42" range. Definitely go down to best buy and/or circuit city and check out what they have and what looks the best to you after you've adjusted the picture properly. You shouldn't have much trouble finding something you like, and really anything from panasonic, sony, samsung, philips, or LG will do.

[panamacitygator]

Heres a Toshiba 1080p 42" at BBhttp://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8753743&type=product&id=1202649765592

[helix139]

Heres a Toshiba 1080p 42" at BBhttp://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8753743&type=product&id=1202649765592

See the last link in the post right above yours

[capecodgator]

Looking for another tv for a different room. Thanks in adavance for the help.
Here goes:

1. $1000
2. 6
3. BJ's
4. No, but prefer flat panel.
5. No.
6. 8'-12'
7. No.
8. No.
9. 3.
10. Do not like LG.
11. Either.
12. The TV will be placed on a 20' wall between two double-hung windows. Two more double-hung windows on end wall approximately 10' away.
13. No.
14. No.
15. Only BJ's.
16. Sports.
17. DIY type.
18. No wall mount right now, but want the ability to do so in the future.
19. No.

[helix139]

Looking for another tv for a different room. Thanks in adavance for the help.
Here goes:

1. $1000
2. 6
3. BJ's
4. No, but prefer flat panel.
5. No.
6. 8'-12'
7. No.
8. No.
9. 3.
10. Do not like LG.
11. Either.
12. The TV will be placed on a 20' wall between two double-hung windows. Two more double-hung windows on end wall approximately 10' away.
13. No.
14. No.
15. Only BJ's.
16. Sports.
17. DIY type.
18. No wall mount right now, but want the ability to do so in the future.
19. No.

any 42-50" 720p major-brand LCD or Panasonic Plasma (with the glare reduction screen) will work. Personally I would go Panasonic. You should be able to find one for ~$950 that you would be very happy with.

[allig8ralli]

Fellow Gators,

For some reason I am hesitant to buy my LCD from an online store. I feel safer buying from a Best Buy or similar in case I have problems. Also, I am HD-ignorant so I need Geek Squad or similar to hook it all up and make all the fine tune adjustments. Looking at the 52" Sharp Aquos LCD.

http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/47315059/

Anyone have any experience buying from any of these companies? Another perk of buying from Circuit City or Best Buy is the 2 or 3 years same as cash financing.

Benefit of buying via the internet.......no tax and no shipping with some companies.

Advice greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

aa

[LeafUF]

Ive purchased online thru newegg and bestbuyplasma (http://www.bestbuyplasma.com/product-sharp-aquos-lc52d64u-52inch-1080p-lcd-hdtv.html) which wasnt listed on there. I know others on GC have used bbp to purchase televisions and I dont think anyone has reported back with any troubles.

As for the TV the Sharp Aquos line is pretty good, my friends have smaller models and love them.

[GatorGamer]

I got the Panasonic 1080p Plasma a little while ago and LOVE IT! I'm looking for a good dvd player where i can get hd quality without paying out the rear for it. what is the deal with up converting and the like? any suggestions on a player?

thanks,
gamer

[FrankGator627]

Helix ....is this worth the price ($897) ?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9124791

[helix139]

Helix ....is this worth the price ($897) ?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9124791

That's a fairly decent TV but I've seen better (including 42" panny's) for the same price

[FrankGator627]

I'm doing this over now that I am in my new apt......


1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? 1kish. Don't really want to exceed 1100.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.

1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
Costco

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

NO

4. Any restrictions on size?
Im looking for a 40"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
Playing video games will be 5 ft. Regular viewing 7-10 ft

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
NO

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?
Playstation 3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

4 definitely want to feel like I am watching HD but would prefer it to be right around 40"

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

I like the Samsungs. I know a lot of people that have them and they are a good looking tv.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

doesnt matter

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
I have a screened in porch 3 ft to the right of the TV (has blinds).An overhead ceiling fan right in the middle of the room with a light.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

not really. The cable plug is on the only wall that fits with our couches in the room.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
NO
14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
NO
15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
DVDs-Video Games-Sports
16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
DIY
17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

NO

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

NO

[bakaduin]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
1200
2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.
1
3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
Costco
4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
Need flat panel for my tv stand
4. Any restrictions on size?
37-42"
5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
8 ft
6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
No
7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?
Wii and PS3
8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).
1
9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
No
10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
Either
11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
Window next to it with blinds closed all the time but no curtains. No lamps.
12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
No
13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
No
14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
No
15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
Sports, Blu Ray
16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
DIY
17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
No mount
18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
No

[jmoliver]

Guys, I was able to pick up a pair of RF-82s from BB on clearance for $ 500. what would you recommend for a center channel? Also what would you pay for a XBR4, 52" Sony. They range up to $ 2,999. Sears had them on sale last week for $ 2.400 but I missed out.

[Aardvark]

http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/44210996/search=XBR4/st=product/sv=title/

[uflawyer]

Frank & Baka--Have you guys ever watched HD TV with a good sound system? By good, I mean one in which it causes the hair on the back of you neck to stand up. My guess is you guys who rate sound at 1 on a scale of 10 have no idea what you are missing? Kinda like going to a Stones concert with ear plugs. :joecool:

[bakaduin]

Frank & Baka--Have you guys ever watched HD TV with a good sound system? By good, I mean one in which it causes the hair on the back of you neck to stand up. My guess is you guys who rate sound at 1 on a scale of 10 have no idea what you are missing? Kinda like going to a Stones concert with ear plugs. :joecool:

Trust me I agree with you that a good sound system is awesome. Im in college though and dont have a huge amount of money to blow so Id like to use it on a PS3 and a TV. Id rather not just get a cheap sound system for the sake of having one.

[uflawyer]

Trust me I agree with you that a good sound system is awesome. Im in college though and dont have a huge amount of money to blow so Id like to use it on a PS3 and a TV. Id rather not just get a cheap sound system for the sake of having one.

You are forgiven :angel:

[FrankGator627]

Starting my first semester of law school so pretty much in the same boat as baka....

[helix139]

Frank and Baka-

42" Panasonic Plasma is your best bet. You can find 720p for under $1000

[bakaduin]

Frank and Baka-

42" Panasonic Plasma is your best bet. You can find 720p for under $1000

If I will be watching Blu-Rays is 720 adequate?

[helix139]

If I will be watching Blu-Rays is 720 adequate?

At that size yes, unless you sit really close to the TV (5 feet or less) or are anal about 1:1 pixel mapping. I've seen 720p pannies for ~$750 and 1080p for ~$1000 in 42",so take your pick

[FrankGator627]

Could you explain lighting with regards to plasma and LCD in layman's terms.

Which is better for darker rooms and which is better for lighter rooms?

Which will have a longer life?

[helix139]

Could you explain lighting with regards to plasma and LCD in layman's terms.

Which is better for darker rooms and which is better for lighter rooms?

Which will have a longer life?

LCDs are generally a little brighter and therefore will be a little better in very bright rooms, but honestly either would be fine in that regard as long as you get a quality brand with a glare reducing screen

In terms of life, LCD are generally thought to last longer and won't lose their brightness over time, although I'd put the Panasonic plasmas up against ANY LCD (with the possible exception of LED backlit screens, which are very expensive) right now in terms of panel life.

The big pros for plasma are that it has a very high static contrast ratio, which will give you the truest colors and the best picture outside of CRTs and far more expensive sets.

Right now in terms of picture quality per dollar I would put Panasonic plasma first, followed by Samsung LCD, and then Sharp and Philips LCD.

[demosthenes]

No Sony?

[helix139]

No Sony?

Sony is quality and I like their sets, but I think you pay a real premium for that quality and other brands are a much better value

[demosthenes]

Just noticed you said "picture quality per dollar." Without a doubt they are expensive but I do not think Samsumg is much cheaper.

[fusionbeats]

Ok here we go...

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
$3500

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.
5

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
NO

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
I'm not planning on wall mounting at this time, because I just moved to WV and I'm renting for the next 6 months or so, and then I'll probably be buying another home.

4. Any restrictions on size?
I want at least a 46"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
12' - 15'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
Not at this time.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?
Yes, PS3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).
Picture Quality is definitely more important. I've waited a long time to make this purchase and I want to be able to watch the Gators, and everything else, in high quality.

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
From my research Sony seems to be the way to go.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
I kinda prefer brick and mortar but im open minded

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
The room is at the front of the house, with a large window on the opposite wall from the TV

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
Yes, but I dont think i want a projector.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
10% coupon at best buy

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
a little of everything. definitely football, but stuff like Lost on tv and action dvds.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
Professional delivery at least, but I could handle the installation and cable stuff myself.

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
No wall mount for now, because of living in a rental.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
no.

[bakaduin]

Ended up getting the 42LG50 for 999 at BestBuy. Going to get some HD service in here this week hopefully.

[FrankGator627]

I bought the 50" Samsung DLP for 962....I love it, the PQ is phenomenal.

[Guelph]

IMO the video is more important than the audio. To start off at least. Ideally, you want a good surround set to match a good HD TV and set-up, but I think you are best off if you put the money you have into the best TV you can afford, settle for its own internal speakers and/or an existing/cheap surround set up and then build up the audio side over time. B/c you can never improve and/or build up the video side, but you can the audio side. Also, you may find, as I did, that the wires just plain old bug the hell out of you after a while and so you look for options, be it a sound-bar or the like. Or you start drilling up your floors and walls to hide the wires, etc.

I'm seriously thinking about getting a sound-bar for my videogame TV.

[Swamper]

Costco has a 50 inch, 1080P plasma for $1,399 on sale. Does anyone know anything about this set?

[Aardvark]

Brand?

[gator7_5]

need reply by tommorrow morning!!!!

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

1K

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.

1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

sams

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

wallmount

4. Any restrictions on size?

42 (because of price mostly)

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

10'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

nope

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

nope

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

2

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

no

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

B & M - need it tommorrow

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

above fireplace - double French doors plus windows that open up to porch on water (90 degrees form TV screen). Can be bright I guess sometimes.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

no projection

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

no

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

no

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

sports, movies, DVD, news - in total

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

DIY - already prewired

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

rigid mount

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

its for my parents who are in their 60's and dont watch alot of TV, kids and grandkids will, though. Needs to last - most importantly

Really interested in 1080/790 diffrenece. They don't and wont have blue ray, but will have HD

[helix139]

need reply by tommorrow morning!!!!

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

1K

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.

1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

sams

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

wallmount

4. Any restrictions on size?

42 (because of price mostly)

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

10'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

nope

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

nope

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

2

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

no

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

B & M - need it tommorrow

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

above fireplace - double French doors plus windows that open up to porch on water (90 degrees form TV screen). Can be bright I guess sometimes.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

no projection

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

no

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

no

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

sports, movies, DVD, news - in total

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

DIY - already prewired

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

rigid mount

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

its for my parents who are in their 60's and dont watch alot of TV, kids and grandkids will, though. Needs to last - most importantly

Really interested in 1080/790 diffrenece. They don't and wont have blue ray, but will have HD

720p will be fine.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775508000P?vName=Computers+%26+Ele ctronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Plasma+TVs

This should do the job quite nicely. It does have an anti-glare coating so that shouldn't be a problem.

[gator7_5]

thanks - sold! I even have a commerical Sears account and can maybe squeeze a discount!!!

Why plasma over LDC though? Is there a life/reliabiltity difference?

[helix139]

thanks - sold! I even have a commerical Sears account and can maybe squeeze a discount!!!

Why plasma over LDC though? Is there a life/reliabiltity difference?

Not where Panasonic is concerned. They are as reliable as any LCD, and they have a superior picture.

[gator7_5]

awesome - thanks

[panamacitygator]

Same Panasonic plasma on sale at Best Buy for $799.00

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8722448&type=product&id=1200703056233

[Swampmaster]

Brand?

It's a panasonic plasma.

[gator7_5]

how Ironic. That's the same TV I have in my living room. I didnt even know it. (My MIL bought it for my wife last year)

[Aardvark]

http://www.secondact.com/category/02_plasma.view_all

[Aardvark]

http://www.secondact.com/c=x3eVg7BmV3ptdZLTo8rZcf7mA/category/promo

[Aardvark]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3749849&Sku=M402-6000

[Aardvark]

http://www.secondact.com/category/promo

[yellowboy90]

Are either one of these TVs any good?

Vizio 32" Class Plasma HDTV with Digital Tuner, VP322HDTV10A

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8477433


Sony 32" Class Bravia LCD HDTV with Digital Tuner, KDL-32L4000

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9252002&findingMethod=rr

IF not are there any TVs for someone who wants to spend under $750.

[yellowboy90]

OK, since there have been several of these questions recently, I decided to make a short questionaire for anyone who needs help deciding on a new TV. Those of us who know TVs end up asking all these questions anyways and it will help us narrow down the choices for you. If anyone has any additional criteria that should be added to the questionaire, let me know and I'll put it in.

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

$750
2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality.

1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

NO

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

NO

4. Any restrictions on size?

NO

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

10-16

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

I would like to but it is not a must.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

Yes but only PS2. Looking to make the jump to PS3 and/or Wii

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

6

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

NO

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

Yes, I am still a little skeptical when it comes to buying things online. What are some quality online sites.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

Hard to describe. 11 x 20. Bay window opposite to the entry. Patio Doors on the 20' side. Both covered with Blinds but do not mind breaking out the curtains. I will adjust the seating to where ever I put the TV. 1 couch, 1 love seat, and 1 chair.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

No

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

Everything

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

No

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

No

Thanks in advance.

also if I had movies on my PC and wanted to display it on the TV how would the quality of Pic be?

[helix139]

No

Thanks in advance.

also if I had movies on my PC and wanted to display it on the TV how would the quality of Pic be?

You can do a lot better than the 2 TVs you listed for that price. In fact, if you can expand your budget to $798 you can get a 42" Panasonic 1080p which I would HIGHLY recommend. I believe Panasonic Plasmas offer the best image quality short of Pioneer Kuro and Samsung LED backlit LCDs which are far more expensive.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1005329 here is that deal

6ave.com has proved to be a reputable site.

Additionally, Newegg has the 720p version of the same TV for $768 with free shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187079

Even if you don't go that route, you should be able to get into the 40-42" range with a name brand TV, if not 46-50" with all the bargains coming up this holiday season.

[Swamper]

Helix: in your view, is the Panasonic 50 inch 1080P available for $1,399 at Costco, a better deal than the Samsung (rated #1 by consumer reports, but more expensive)?

[Aardvark]

http://www.secondact.com/category/promo?cpg=%40CAMPAIGN%3a6571&cpn=24072576

[helix139]

Helix: in your view, is the Panasonic 50 inch 1080P available for $1,399 at Costco, a better deal than the Samsung (rated #1 by consumer reports, but more expensive)?

Which samsung? I would take a Panny plasma over any TV except the a Pioneer Kuro or Samsung LED backlit LCD.

[dlowe2k2]

Here is a link to a Panasonic 42" plasma 1080p for $755 with free shipping until tomorrow.

http://www.cajalca.com/product_info.php?products_id=461152

[Aardvark]

http://www.avrev.com/mht/newsletter/1108week3.html

[burleygator]

What are some trusted websites that have good prices?

[LeafUF]

What are some trusted websites that have good prices?

Had a thread on this a while back. Maybe people can add more now but there are some sites here. (http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=74243)

[burleygator]

Thanks Leaf.

I'm looking over some early deals, and Wal-Mart has a 50" Plasma available for $799. The thing is its only 720p.

Should this effect my purchase?

I would be using it for sports mostly, with some movies and Xbox as well.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=plasmatv&model_cd=PN50A400C2DXZA

[bactoruf]

This is a purchase for my mother who doesn't watch TV a lot. It will be her first HDTV. I'm looking for reasonable since it's not going to be used a lot.
These are the two I was looking at.

http://www.vizio.com/productDetails.aspx?id=2636&pid=1506

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN40A550P3FXZA



1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? 700-900

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. 1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.) Sam's

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? No - want a LCD

4. Any restrictions on size? 37-40

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 7-8 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? no

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? hardly ever - xbox 360

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 2

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? No

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Will buy online or in any store

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds). Middle of entertainment system..sliding glass door on the left with blinds, standing lamp to left of entertainment center

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? No

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors? Some, but I don't believe for TVs

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? All, but want quality for kids movies and sports

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? Stationary

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.) No

[LeafUF]

Thanks Leaf.

I'm looking over some early deals, and Wal-Mart has a 50" Plasma available for $799. The thing is its only 720p.

Should this effect my purchase?

I would be using it for sports mostly, with some movies and Xbox as well.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=plasmatv&model_cd=PN50A400C2DXZA

I dont know what the others will say on here but I think at 50" you will want a 1080 set.

Also, check out Circuit City and Best Buy online today since they have their Black Friday deals on the website now.

http://blackfriday.gottadeal.com/

[bactoruf]

Found this one also to add to the mix

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=412731&pCatg=5883

[panamacitygator]

Dude for your budget and viewing needs I'd go with the 42" Panasonic. It is one of the best screens in that size and money. You can probably find one this weekend for about 800.00. Maybe even find a 1080p version.

[bactoruf]

Dude for your budget and viewing needs I'd go with the 42" Panasonic. It is one of the best screens in that size and money. You can probably find one this weekend for about 800.00. Maybe even find a 1080p version.

I couldn't find a Panasonic in that size close to that price. Is that a plasma or a LCD?

[panamacitygator]

This one is 698.00 tomorrow at Sears...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775508000P?keyword=05775508000&sLevel=0&sid=IAx20071126x000001

http://bfads.net/Panasonic-Viera-TH42PX80U-42-720p-Plasma-HDTV

[helix139]

Best deal you're going to get right now in the 42" range...

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH42PX80U

42" Panasonic 720p for $574.52 ($694.47 shipped w/ no sales tax)...outstanding TV!

Bactor, you will want to go with this one as the picture quality is phenomenal

[burleygator]

Helix, I put my trust in ya man.

Rex's had a 46" Panasonic Plasma that I got someone to buy for me sight unseen as I couldn't go this morning.

Any problems, and you're getting the blunt of the blame:nervous smile:

[bactoruf]

Best deal you're going to get right now in the 42" range...

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH42PX80U

42" Panasonic 720p for $574.52 ($694.47 shipped w/ no sales tax)...outstanding TV!

Bactor, you will want to go with this one as the picture quality is phenomenal

I appreciate it. I'm not a big fan of plasma and really like sticking to LCD. I also want to go with a 1080 instead of the 720. That deal looks incredible though!

[dragonz]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? $2000 TV only

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. 5

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.) Sam's & BJs

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Flat Panel

4. Any restrictions on size? Preferrably betweebn 48" - 60"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 11 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? Xbox 360

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? Would rather have a more reliable brand

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Doesn't matter

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds). Solid wall, adjacent wall has two windows
12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Yes

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors? No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports, action

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? Stationary

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? No

[bactoruf]

Best deal you're going to get right now in the 42" range...

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH42PX80U

42" Panasonic 720p for $574.52 ($694.47 shipped w/ no sales tax)...outstanding TV!

Bactor, you will want to go with this one as the picture quality is phenomenal

Helix, what is your thinking between this plasma or a Samsung or Visio LCD at 1080?

[helix139]

Helix, what is your thinking between this plasma or a Samsung or Visio LCD at 1080?

At that size you do NOT need 1080p unless you plan to use the TV for a computer monitor. you really can only start to distinguish the difference when the TV is 50" or larger and you're sitting within 5 feet of it. That said, the Panasonic is superior in terms of picture quality, although you couldnt go wrong with the Samsung either but stay away from Vizio. It's not in the same ballpark. That Philips LCD posted above is also a good set. I've got the previous model and it is a great TV. That said, I used to be a big LCD fan myself but if I were buying today it would be Panasonic plasma as the only other flat panels that can compare are the Pioneer Kuro and Samsung LED backlit LCDs, which cost far more money.

[helix139]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? $2000 TV only

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. 5

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.) Sam's & BJs

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Flat Panel

4. Any restrictions on size? Preferrably betweebn 48" - 60"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 11 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? Xbox 360

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? Would rather have a more reliable brand

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Doesn't matter

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds). Solid wall, adjacent wall has two windows
12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Yes

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors? No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports, action

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? Stationary

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? No

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH50PZ85U

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=SAMLN52A550

[dragonz]

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH50PZ85U

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=SAMLN52A550


Thanks helix, I'll give them both a look.

[bactoruf]

Best deal you're going to get right now in the 42" range...

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PANTH42PX80U

42" Panasonic 720p for $574.52 ($694.47 shipped w/ no sales tax)...outstanding TV!

Bactor, you will want to go with this one as the picture quality is phenomenal

Helix - found this one for 799. Which one would you go with - the 720p or 1080?
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Televisions/VIERA-Plasma-HDTVs/model.TH-C42FD18_11002_7000000000000005702

[Aardvark]

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/reviews/462748671/samsung-ln52a750

[Aardvark]

Lotsa good deals out there folks!

[helix139]

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1130665

If you are in the market for a new TV, buy this set and buy it now. PQ is only exceeded by the $4000-5000 Elites.

[Aardvark]

http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=4386905&sku=S190-4007&SRCCODE=WEBJCK081&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEBJCK081-_-Deals

[uffeesh]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? TV - $1600

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. 7

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.) Sam's

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Wants flat panel

4. Any restrictions on size? No

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 12 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? No

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? No

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Need to see it

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds). Square room - TV sits in the SE corner. Overhead lighting - east wall is all glass with drapes

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Yes - but don't want front projection

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports and movies

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? No wall mount

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? No

This one is for my uncle

[helix139]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? TV - $1600

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. 7

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.) Sam's

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Wants flat panel

4. Any restrictions on size? No

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 12 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? No

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? No

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Need to see it

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds). Square room - TV sits in the SE corner. Overhead lighting - east wall is all glass with drapes

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Yes - but don't want front projection

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports and movies

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? No wall mount

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? No

This one is for my uncle

Since you stated that you need to see the TV before you buy it, I would urge you to consider going a best buy, etc. to pick out your TV and then ordering online. You're going to pay a real premium to buy B&M, including paying sales tax. Several of us on here have had great experiences buying online. As long as you're buying from a known entity you will be ok. Personally I can recommend 6ave.com, and have heard good stories about new egg but have not bought home theater equipment from them. Many of these online retailer offer as good or better return policies than the B&M stores.

That said, here's the direction I'd go

You have no need for 1080p

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1136243&highlight=panasonic

you can find this at B&M stores between $600-800 if you keep your eyes open, but this is the best deal at the moment. Alternatively, Sears has a 50" 720p Panasonic for $810 this week that would also do very well

For the sound system, I would recommend Pioneer receivers. I believe for the features you get they represent a pretty good value. The Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K is the successor to the model I've got right now and will sticker for $500 later this spring. The 919 is the same thing, but without Faroudja upscaling. If you don't want to wait, you can get the 1018 for around $420 if you keep your eyes open

For the speakers, you should be able to find a pretty decent set of Polk center and surround speakers for around $200 (check out the RM10) and a matching 10" sub for
another $100-150.

[ftworthgator]

Just curious Helix are you in the A/V industry?

[uffeesh]

Since you stated that you need to see the TV before you buy it, I would urge you to consider going a best buy, etc. to pick out your TV and then ordering online. You're going to pay a real premium to buy B&M, including paying sales tax. Several of us on here have had great experiences buying online. As long as you're buying from a known entity you will be ok. Personally I can recommend 6ave.com, and have heard good stories about new egg but have not bought home theater equipment from them. Many of these online retailer offer as good or better return policies than the B&M stores.

That said, here's the direction I'd go

You have no need for 1080p

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1136243&highlight=panasonic

you can find this at B&M stores between $600-800 if you keep your eyes open, but this is the best deal at the moment. Alternatively, Sears has a 50" 720p Panasonic for $810 this week that would also do very well

For the sound system, I would recommend Pioneer receivers. I believe for the features you get they represent a pretty good value. The Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K is the successor to the model I've got right now and will sticker for $500 later this spring. The 919 is the same thing, but without Faroudja upscaling. If you don't want to wait, you can get the 1018 for around $420 if you keep your eyes open

For the speakers, you should be able to find a pretty decent set of Polk center and surround speakers for around $200 (check out the RM10) and a matching 10" sub for
another $100-150.

Sorry, I should clarify. He wants over 50 inches and he's pretty sold on LCD. I tried talking him into a Panasonic plasma, but he needs convincing. I told him to go look at it in a store and order it online. He needs convincing on that also.

He doesn't need a surround sound system as he's got one already installed in his room. I showed him that great buy on the Pioneer at Best Buy, but he says it's over his budget. He's thinking about waiting till right after the Super Bowl and I told him I'd give him some good recommendations.

[helix139]

Just curious Helix are you in the A/V industry?

No, just an enthusiast

[Aardvark]

Why are you dead set against LCD's as opposed to plazma?

[helix139]

Sorry, I should clarify. He wants over 50 inches and he's pretty sold on LCD. I tried talking him into a Panasonic plasma, but he needs convincing. I told him to go look at it in a store and order it online. He needs convincing on that also.

He doesn't need a surround sound system as he's got one already installed in his room. I showed him that great buy on the Pioneer at Best Buy, but he says it's over his budget. He's thinking about waiting till right after the Super Bowl and I told him I'd give him some good recommendations.

Ahh, you didn't clarify he already had a surround system. In that case, by all means up the TV budget and go 1080p and 50" or over.

Why doesn't he like plasma? the technology has improved considerably. The absolute worst place to go look at them is in a Best Buy or something though. They'll have them next to LCD with their brightness cranked and none of the TVs even close to calibrated. LCD is definitely brighter, but that is not always a good thing. In the home, though, plasma blows LCD away in terms of black level and color reproduction and it's really not even close. Have him look at this article (http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/16/lcd-vs-plasma-in-2009/). The picture really says it all. If he's concerned about burn in or lifespan, it really isn't a problem anymore, especially with the Panasonics, which have a half-lifespan greater than most LCD's actual backlight lifespan.

As for contrast ratio, some LCD's do boast contrast ratios upwards of 1,000,000:1, but those are dynamic contrast ratios. Plasmas still have the best native contrast ratios and LCDs can't display blacks next to brighter colors without some leakage due to the nature of the technology.

If you go that route and have him look at them at at a B&M, get some settings for the TVs you are interested in off of avsforums.com and adjust them before making the comparison. Over 50 inches and under $1600 means you're either going to get a 52" LCD that is good at best but not great, a 56" LCD that is crap, or a 50" plasma by Panasonic that puts out without question the second best TVs only to Pioneer in terms of color reproduction and black levels. I would be doing you and him a disservice recommending anything else. The gap right now is that great unless you go to the absolute highest end LED backlit LCD panels, which cost considerably more than his budget. I was an LCD guy myself once, and my current panel is an LCD, but since that time plasma has improved enough that there really aren't any arguments against it at this point other than it not being as bright, which is usually never a concern unless you have a bunch of flood lights shining on the screen.

As for buying it online, he'll either have some minimum wage stockboy at Best Buy or something beating up his well-packed TV pulling it from the back and paying inflated prices, or some minimum wage freight driver beating up his well-packed TV pulling, which he has the option of not signing for if the condition is not satisfactory at delivery and paying discounted prices. His choice, but either way many of us have had no problems with online delivery and I'd do it again in a second. This coming from someone who is extremely anal about dead pixels, etc.

[Aardvark]

http://www.bensbargains.net

http://www.secondact.com

[uffeesh]

Ahh, you didn't clarify he already had a surround system. In that case, by all means up the TV budget and go 1080p and 50" or over.

Why doesn't he like plasma? the technology has improved considerably. The absolute worst place to go look at them is in a Best Buy or something though. They'll have them next to LCD with their brightness cranked and none of the TVs even close to calibrated. LCD is definitely brighter, but that is not always a good thing. In the home, though, plasma blows LCD away in terms of black level and color reproduction and it's really not even close. Have him look at this article (http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/16/lcd-vs-plasma-in-2009/). The picture really says it all. If he's concerned about burn in or lifespan, it really isn't a problem anymore, especially with the Panasonics, which have a half-lifespan greater than most LCD's actual backlight lifespan.

As for contrast ratio, some LCD's do boast contrast ratios upwards of 1,000,000:1, but those are dynamic contrast ratios. Plasmas still have the best native contrast ratios and LCDs can't display blacks next to brighter colors without some leakage due to the nature of the technology.

If you go that route and have him look at them at at a B&M, get some settings for the TVs you are interested in off of avsforums.com and adjust them before making the comparison. Over 50 inches and under $1600 means you're either going to get a 52" LCD that is good at best but not great, a 56" LCD that is crap, or a 50" plasma by Panasonic that puts out without question the second best TVs only to Pioneer in terms of color reproduction and black levels. I would be doing you and him a disservice recommending anything else. The gap right now is that great unless you go to the absolute highest end LED backlit LCD panels, which cost considerably more than his budget. I was an LCD guy myself once, and my current panel is an LCD, but since that time plasma has improved enough that there really aren't any arguments against it at this point other than it not being as bright, which is usually never a concern unless you have a bunch of flood lights shining on the screen.

As for buying it online, he'll either have some minimum wage stockboy at Best Buy or something beating up his well-packed TV pulling it from the back and paying inflated prices, or some minimum wage freight driver beating up his well-packed TV pulling, which he has the option of not signing for if the condition is not satisfactory at delivery and paying discounted prices. His choice, but either way many of us have had no problems with online delivery and I'd do it again in a second. This coming from someone who is extremely anal about dead pixels, etc.

I'm completely with you on this. If I had to do it over again, I would have gone with a plasma. Of course, I bought my 50" Sony a few years ago.

His main concern with a plasma is that his room is too bright. He's got a full wall that's made of glass and he's concerned that he'll get glare. Shoot - I have this issue and I have a LCD.

[helix139]

I'm completely with you on this. If I had to do it over again, I would have gone with a plasma. Of course, I bought my 50" Sony a few years ago.

His main concern with a plasma is that his room is too bright. He's got a full wall that's made of glass and he's concerned that he'll get glare. Shoot - I have this issue and I have a LCD.

The newer Panasonics have anti-glare screens. It isn't an issue. Most of the higher end LCDs now have glare-prone high-gloss screens themselves.

[Aardvark]

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[Aardvark]

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[Swampmaster]

58 inch panasonic (PZ 800U) plasma or 58 inch samsung plasma (both 1080P, about the same price $2,400)????? Any recommendations, ideas, etc.??

[panamacitygator]

Given the choices, I would choose Panasonic.

[gatorr4life]

Well, after another side by side comparison today, I went with the Sony!

Why? Comparing the overall stats they were virtually identical, but looking at the two tv's there was one noticeable difference. The screen of the Samsung reflected everything, like a mirror..... the Sony had very little noticeable glare at all, what little it had was just a vague non-distinct light.

Sony wins AND it's $200 cheaper. :D

Thanks again gentlemen for all you're help. Hopefully I'll have everything setup by the end of next week. I'll let you know how it goes.

Joe

We bought our Sony SXRD 60" a couple of years ago. Awesome TV! PS3 games look absolutely ridiculous on it. A little expensive when we bought it, but well worth it. Great choice, man.

[demosthenes]

58 inch panasonic (PZ 800U) plasma or 58 inch samsung plasma (both 1080P, about the same price $2,400)????? Any recommendations, ideas, etc.??

Undoubtedly the Panny. That model is the best TV on the market dollar for dollar.

Samsungs are good but have less accurate secondary colors and a more reflective screen. Whatever model you go with, go to AVSforum.com and find the thread for you tv. They'll have the proper settings to get the most out of your picture.

[helix139]

These guys are right Swampmaster. If you can't afford or dont want to pay the big premium for Pioneer, Panny is as good as it gets.

[g8trsrgods]

I'd like to thank you guys in advance for all of your help. My wife and I just bought a house and we need to get a flat panel for the family/great room. Without further ado, here is the questionnaire.

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

Unknown. I typically try to get the most bang for the buck no matter if it is expensive or not so much.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

One. I've already got a surround system from my previous home that I'm happy with.

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

I have Sam's Club but am not adverse to buying a Costco or BJ's membership

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

Need to wall mount.

4. Any restrictions on size?

Space for it to fit is 58.5 x 38.5 with a 69" diagnal.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

Unknown. My guess would be 12-20 feet.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

No.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

Yes. Xbox 360 for sure. May hook up the Wii and could be getting a PS3 in teh future for the Bluray player.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

Three. I prefer a good looking picture that's a little smaller than a large picture that looks subpar. Basically, best picture quality so long as it doesn't look too small for the space for which it must be placed.

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

No,I have no problems with any brands.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

I'd buy online if I could get a deal.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

The TV will be placed over the gas fireplace. As you are looking at the screen, there will be 6 large windows (3 1st floor, 3 2nd floor) that will be located to the right of the screen approximately 20' away. There are 2 sets of recessed shelving, one on each side of the screen, with recessed lighting. Directly in front of the screen will be the kitchen with its lighting approximately 35 plus feet away.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

No. Can't project due to height of ceiling (over 2 stories)

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

No.

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

I've got a Best Buy silver membership but nothing that I know of specifically.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

During the day and afternoon, cartoons. Evenings will be showing TV, movies, and gaming.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

I'm a DIYer.

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

Wall mount. No pivoting.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

It's mounted over a fireplace. I'd like enough HDMI ports and other inputs to be able to install a DVD player, Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3.

Once again, thanks for everything guys.

[helix139]

I'd like to thank you guys in advance for all of your help. My wife and I just bought a house and we need to get a flat panel for the family/great room. Without further ado, here is the questionnaire.

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

Unknown. I typically try to get the most bang for the buck no matter if it is expensive or not so much.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

One. I've already got a surround system from my previous home that I'm happy with.

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

I have Sam's Club but am not adverse to buying a Costco or BJ's membership

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

Need to wall mount.

4. Any restrictions on size?

Space for it to fit is 58.5 x 38.5 with a 69" diagnal.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

Unknown. My guess would be 12-20 feet.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

No.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

Yes. Xbox 360 for sure. May hook up the Wii and could be getting a PS3 in teh future for the Bluray player.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

Three. I prefer a good looking picture that's a little smaller than a large picture that looks subpar. Basically, best picture quality so long as it doesn't look too small for the space for which it must be placed.

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

No,I have no problems with any brands.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

I'd buy online if I could get a deal.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

The TV will be placed over the gas fireplace. As you are looking at the screen, there will be 6 large windows (3 1st floor, 3 2nd floor) that will be located to the right of the screen approximately 20' away. There are 2 sets of recessed shelving, one on each side of the screen, with recessed lighting. Directly in front of the screen will be the kitchen with its lighting approximately 35 plus feet away.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

No. Can't project due to height of ceiling (over 2 stories)

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

No.

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

I've got a Best Buy silver membership but nothing that I know of specifically.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

During the day and afternoon, cartoons. Evenings will be showing TV, movies, and gaming.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

I'm a DIYer.

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

Wall mount. No pivoting.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

It's mounted over a fireplace. I'd like enough HDMI ports and other inputs to be able to install a DVD player, Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3.

Once again, thanks for everything guys.

Without a budget, I can't really tell you for sure, but if I were to recommend something right now I'd say either get a Pioneer or Panasonic Plasma in as big of a size as you can afford. Pioneer is discontinuing their plasma business so you can find good prices but their picture quality is the best in the business. Panasonic also makes a great plasma, and might be a slightly better value but won't quite have the picture of the Pioneer. Those two brands are by far the best sets, but make sure they have glare reduction on the screen with your viewing environment.

If you want to go LCD despite the superior picture of plasma I'd go Samsung if you can afford it. picture quality is just as good as Sony but Sony carries a slight premium in price.

[GrandGouda]

If you're looking for reviews, these are the sites I use:

Great dedicated Digital TV sites:
http://www.digitaladvisor.com/lcd-tv-and-plasma-tv/
http://www.hdtvlounge.net/
http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/hdtv_articles.cfm

Other "multi purpose" site with reviews:
http://reviews.cnet.com/televisions/
http://www.pcworld.com/products/home_theater/hdtv.html
"Best 5": http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/

My father and uncle both purchased 73" Mitsubishi DLPs that no longer have color wheels, and have a 6-color light engine, and they are absolutely beautiful. However, DLP has kind of gone out of style as LCD technology has improved...

[g8trsrgods]

Thanks for all the help guys.

I ended up getting a Panasonic 50" Plasma TCP50G10, a Yamaha RX-V465 receiver, Klipsch Quintet III speakers, and Klipsch Sub-12.

Now I get to put it all together later tonight. I can't wait to dim the lights and crank up the sound on some good Bluray movies in order to give it a test drive.

Once again, thanks for all of the assistance in choosing what to get!!!

[LeafUF]

Thanks for all the help guys.

I ended up getting a Panasonic 50" Plasma TCP50G10, a Yamaha RX-V465 receiver, Klipsch Quintet III speakers, and Klipsch Sub-12.

Now I get to put it all together later tonight. I can't wait to dim the lights and crank up the sound on some good Bluray movies in order to give it a test drive.

Once again, thanks for all of the assistance in choosing what to get!!!

Ive been looking at a Panasonic Viera 50" myself. Hope you enjoy it, please let us know how it all looks and sounds once its up and running.

[helix139]

Thanks for all the help guys.

I ended up getting a Panasonic 50" Plasma TCP50G10, a Yamaha RX-V465 receiver, Klipsch Quintet III speakers, and Klipsch Sub-12.

Now I get to put it all together later tonight. I can't wait to dim the lights and crank up the sound on some good Bluray movies in order to give it a test drive.

Once again, thanks for all of the assistance in choosing what to get!!!

Sounds like you got a great setup. Enjoy it!

[HiFiGator]

Note to all:

If you have any questions on HDTVs, or anything else in the consumer electronics field, please feel free to PM me. I try to check PMs at least once daily 6 days a week. I can't "sell" you anything here on the board as that's against solicitation rules. We do have a shop here in G'ville if you are in the area. If not, then I would still be glad to give you whatever info I can. Also, I do know many of the specialists across the state, since we have been in business here in G'ville since '76. Lastly, there are a few of our distributors that allow drop-shipping. That is a great option, when available. Essentially, you can order it and I can have it delivered to your house directly from the authorized distributor, usually for no additional charge. Not all brands have this option, but for the ones that do, it's the best of all worlds, since you can take advantage of our discounted price, while getting better warranties than mail order companies offer. Lastly, if you are out of state, then there isn't any sales tax either. In any case, I don't want to violate any of the rules, so PM me with any questions you might have.

Go Gators!

Noles need not apply.

[AdamGator]

So what's a good site to buy from now? I'm considering getting a Panasonic Plasma in my living room, but secondact.com and bestbuyplasmas.com don't seem to be online anymore.

[demosthenes]

b&h photo
abes of maine
onecall
buydig


There are more but your best bet is to check the retailer on the website: resellerratings.com. I don't usually shop on a site that gets less than 90% favorable ratings.

[Aardvark]

Shocking news about SecondAct. That's where I bought my 52" Samsung...

[helix139]

6ave.com is great also. They frequently run "name your price" deals where you can get some really excellent prices.

[GatorGamer]

What do ya'll think about Samsung plasmas and specifically about this tv:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4649262&CatId=3654

[helix139]

What do ya'll think about Samsung plasmas and specifically about this tv:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4649262&CatId=3654

They are decent, but personally I think Panasonics are far superior.

[GatorGamer]

How would you rank the brands for plasma? I'm assuming you feel panasonic's are number one. Also, how would you rank plasmas vs lcd's?

[helix139]

How would you rank the brands for plasma? I'm assuming you feel panasonic's are number one. Also, how would you rank plasmas vs lcd's?

My rankings would go something like this:

Pioneer Plasma
.
.
.
Panasonic Plasma
.
Samsung LED LCD
Samsung Plasma
Sony Plasma
Samsung and Sony LCD (the gap between Samsung and Sony traditional LCDs and Plasma is very tight IMO)
LG Plasma
LG, and Philips LCD
Philips Plasma
.
.
Vizio
Other bargain brands

Of those I feel Panasonic offers the best picture per dollar at a given size, although there is now an argument for Pioneer seeing as their remaining sets are basically being clearanced since they have discontinued TV production. They are still more expensive than Panasonic but you don't really pay that Pioneer premium anymore and instead are paying for the actual picture quality increase. There are things that Pioneer plasmas can do that no other TVs can right now. Their blacks are simply stunning and the color reproduction is unmatched.

[panamacitygator]

My rankings would go something like this:

Pioneer Plasma
.
.
.
Panasonic Plasma
.
Samsung LED LCD
Samsung Plasma
Sony Plasma
Samsung and Sony LCD (the gap between Samsung and Sony traditional LCDs and Plasma is very tight IMO)
LG Plasma
LG, and Philips LCD
Philips Plasma
.
.
Vizio
Other bargain brands

Of those I feel Panasonic offers the best picture per dollar at a given size, although there is now an argument for Pioneer seeing as their remaining sets are basically being clearanced since they have discontinued TV production. They are still more expensive than Panasonic but you don't really pay that Pioneer premium anymore and instead are paying for the actual picture quality increase. There are things that Pioneer plasmas can do that no other TVs can right now. Their blacks are simply stunning and the color reproduction is unmatched.
Guys Helix knows his plasmas. However if you can find a Kuro get it. They are greatly reduced now. My wife "let" me buy a 60" Kuro PDP-6020FD last year and I can tell you without a doubt that it is the best looking TV I have ever seen, bar none. With 1080p you get 4 HDMI inputs and the blacks are fantastic!

[demosthenes]

I've been looking at upgrading to the Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro-151FD.

Unfortunately it is still running $4,400 and none of the authorized vendors have any in stock. That is scary since Pioneers says they do not have to honor the warranty if purchased elsewhere.


I was hoping that this years high-end Panasonics would catch up to the Pioneers but they haven't. I'm not sure next years will either which is leading me to look at grabbing one of the last on the shelves even though my TV is a year old...

[sevmonster]

Help guys. Trying to decide between a Panny 54" G10 or an LG 60PS60. Both plasmas. They are priced within $20 of each other. Is the extra size worth going with the inferior picture? In other words does size matter in this case? I will be sitting 12' from the screen. Thank you.

[helix139]

Help guys. Trying to decide between a Panny 54" G10 or an LG 60PS60. Both plasmas. They are priced within $20 of each other. Is the extra size worth going with the inferior picture? In other words does size matter in this case? I will be sitting 12' from the screen. Thank you.

At 12 feet the 54" should be fine. Honestly it's your money and your decision, though, so you have to be the judge. Panasonic PQ is top notch.

[sevmonster]

helix, any difference in reliability? Leaning toward the Panny but have to convince the spouse.

[helix139]

helix, any difference in reliability? Leaning toward the Panny but have to convince the spouse.

Panny has a longer rated half-life. Either will last plenty long. I'f you're really interested in PQ, by any chance have you thought about some of the 50" Kuros I've seen going recently for $1800-ish? Search the hot deals board on slickdeals.net

[sevmonster]

Thanks Helix but the two I mentioned can be had for just under 1600 and that is about the limit for me right now. I would love the Pioneer. Have to work on the boss tonight to give up size for PQ. Again, thank you for all your input on this thread. Currently have older Samsung lcd and Vizio plasma and I much prefer the plasma.

[helix139]

Thanks Helix but the two I mentioned can be had for just under 1600 and that is about the limit for me right now. I would love the Pioneer. Have to work on the boss tonight to give up size for PQ. Again, thank you for all your input on this thread. Currently have older Samsung lcd and Vizio plasma and I much prefer the plasma.

Take her to a best buy that has a magnolia or a true home theater store and have her look at a panasonic in proper lighting

[demosthenes]

helix, any difference in reliability? Leaning toward the Panny but have to convince the spouse.

Lower level brands are more susceptible to image retention and/or burn-in. The LG may or may not be more likely. Hell, even some individual units of the same models have been known to be more susceptible.

Another thing to consider is that Panasonic has a superior glare filter on the screen.

In favor of the LG is the fact that LG includes FAR more picture controls than Panasonic. If you have the inclination you can go in and change the gray scale which will make a big difference too.


One final thing to note, CNET uses this standard for screen size/viewing distances. This is a general rule that certainly doesn't apply to everyone. My parents sit at ~14 feet with a 46in tv and think it is just right.
Screen Size - Minimum distance - Maximum distance
55 6.9 12.8
60 7.5 15


Bottom line is that you are going to be looking at the picture so I can't tell you one way or the other. Personally I'd choose the Panny but you'll have to be careful when taking your wife to BB or another electronics store. I can guarantee she'll be attracted to the LCDs set to torch mode even though you won't have the TV set to that at your house.

[helix139]

One final thing to note, CNET uses this standard for screen size/viewing distances. This is a general rule that certainly doesn't apply to everyone. My parents sit at ~14 feet with a 46in tv and think it is just right.
Screen Size - Minimum distance - Maximum distance
55 6.9 12.8
60 7.5 15

One thing about size is it depends on your use. Playing video games (especially shooters or football games) or using your set as a second computer monitor, you'll probably want to go bigger and/or sit closer (i know I do). Watching movies, though, I have no problem with my 42" from 10-12 feet (though a bigger set would be more ideal).

Bottom line is that you are going to be looking at the picture so I can't tell you one way or the other. Personally I'd choose the Panny but you'll have to be careful when taking your wife to BB or another electronics store. I can guarantee she'll be attracted to the LCDs set to torch mode even though you won't have the TV set to that at your house.

You're definitely right there, which is why I said to make sure it has a magnolia. The magnolia divisions typically have lighting much like what you would find at home. Under those conditions, the LCDs in torch mode look absolutely ridiculous.

[Aardvark]

So much LCD bashing going on here. No respect I say!

[helix139]

So much LCD bashing going on here. No respect I say!

I've got no problems with LCDs but at this point plasma represents the superior product in the 42"+ size range, both in terms of picture quality and value. Heck, my main TV is an LCD but I'll be the first to acknowledge its shortcomings.

[GatorGamer]

Is $3000 a good price for this tv? I've seen it listed at that price around the net but it seems kind of low compared to other Pioneer Kuro plasmas (same size).

KURO KRP-600M 60" Plasma Display
http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/724222368/details/st=product_tab/

[demosthenes]

The "M" denotes it as a monitor. The picture is the same (except the glass isn't hand picked) but they do not include things such as speakers (and I believe a tuner).

[helix139]

demosthenes is right. You'll get an amazing picture, but you won't be able to hook up an antenna or cable from the wall. you'll need an audio receiver and either a cable or satellite box.

[panamacitygator]

Still a great price. I have a 60" with tuner and such, but I could get by with a monitor since I use a cable box and surround sound! Mine cost a little more than 6K 18 mos ago.

[sevmonster]

Wanted to thank everyone for your help. Finally pulled the trigger on a new plasma.Went with Panasonic because of the black levels and reliability. Love the new display. Got the 65 S1. Wanted the higher end 58V10 but they are impossible to find. Very happy with the 65. Viewing from 11 feet it was the best choice. For me bigger is better.Again thanks for the help and Go Gators!

[helix139]

Wanted to thank everyone for your help. Finally pulled the trigger on a new plasma.Went with Panasonic because of the black levels and reliability. Love the new display. Got the 65 S1. Wanted the higher end 58V10 but they are impossible to find. Very happy with the 65. Viewing from 11 feet it was the best choice. For me bigger is better.Again thanks for the help and Go Gators!

I'm jealous. That's a fantastic set.

[GatorGamer]

anybody have any thoughts on this tv?

Pioneer KURO PDP-5010FD 50" Plasma TV

[Gatorgal04]

I guess I finally have to join the real world and go big screen and Hi Def. So, any help would be appreciated. Here are the answers to the survey:

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
$1500 - TV and blueray. I'll probably get DVR from cable co.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)
1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
No

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
I don't plan to wall mount. I'd prefer flat panel only and have a good place to put it on the stand.

4. Any restrictions on size?
It's going in a corner and I'm limited to 50" width for the panel. So, I'm looking at a 46" or so diagonal.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
6-10 feet.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
No, unless that can be done wireless. I have a wireless internet network.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?
Problably not, but might go with a PS3 for the blueray capability.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).
1

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
Don't know enough to like or dislike.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
Would be willing to buy online.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
Windows will be a problem. TV will be in a corner with a window to it's right and a window facing it. These have blinds, but no curtains and there will be no curtains added. Lamp across the room and a little further away than the facing window. It's a SMALL/NARROW combination living/dining room.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
Flat panel on stand in corner - no projection.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
Nope

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
Sports and movies.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
I need the cable input moved and HD activated by the cable company, but otherwise plan to hook everything up myself (no surround sound).

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
Will leave on stand.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
Nope.

[helix139]

I guess I finally have to join the real world and go big screen and Hi Def. So, any help would be appreciated. Here are the answers to the survey:

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
$1500 - TV and blueray. I'll probably get DVR from cable co.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)
1

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
No

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
I don't plan to wall mount. I'd prefer flat panel only and have a good place to put it on the stand.

4. Any restrictions on size?
It's going in a corner and I'm limited to 50" width for the panel. So, I'm looking at a 46" or so diagonal.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
6-10 feet.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
No, unless that can be done wireless. I have a wireless internet network.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?
Problably not, but might go with a PS3 for the blueray capability.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).
1

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
Don't know enough to like or dislike.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
Would be willing to buy online.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
Windows will be a problem. TV will be in a corner with a window to it's right and a window facing it. These have blinds, but no curtains and there will be no curtains added. Lamp across the room and a little further away than the facing window. It's a SMALL/NARROW combination living/dining room.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
Flat panel on stand in corner - no projection.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
Nope

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
Sports and movies.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
I need the cable input moved and HD activated by the cable company, but otherwise plan to hook everything up myself (no surround sound).

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
Will leave on stand.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
Nope.

Panny plasma will be your best bet for picture quality, especially with your budget. You should be able to find one in the 42-50" range for around $1000 or less even at the B&M stores now. Just make sure it has the glare reduction coating on the screen. 1080p isn't essential at your size and viewing distance so if you spot a good deal on a 720p set go ahead and pick it up.

[Gatorgal04]

Thanks for the feedback.

[Swampmaster]

65 inch panasonic?? WOW!! Let us know how it works out! That sounds amazing!!!

[fredsanford]

I just got the Sharp Aquos 46" LED TV w/Sharp Blu-Ray player at HH Gregg for $1482 out the door. The retail on the TV was $1599 and $249 on the Blu Ray.

Make sure if you go to shop HH Gregg that no tag prices are final.

[JamminGator]

1. What is your total home theater budget?
up to $1000 for tv, have surround sound already

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV?
10

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships?
no

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
no

4. Any restrictions on size?
no

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
10-12'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
Yes, would like to use to show webstreaming video mainly

7. Do you plan to game on it?
yes, ps3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size?
3

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
no

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
online works for me

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
TV set up in entertainment center, most viewing straight on to slight angle, windows to left and right of TV with blinds and curtains

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
no

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
no

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
no

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
sports, movies

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
stationary

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
not really, pretty simple


I've checked into the Panasonic's after reading through most of the thread and I will probably go that route in the 42-50" range.

I am looking for a little more understanding on what I need to view web streaming, is it simply connecting my computer to the TV? My laptop has an HDMI slot that I can connect but what other long-term/more permanent options do I have for using the TV as a monitor -- buy a tower and leave permanently connected?

Thanks for the help!!

[helix139]

1. What is your total home theater budget?
up to $1000 for tv, have surround sound already

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV?
10

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships?
no

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?
no

4. Any restrictions on size?
no

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?
10-12'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?
Yes, would like to use to show webstreaming video mainly

7. Do you plan to game on it?
yes, ps3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size?
3

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?
no

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?
online works for me

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).
TV set up in entertainment center, most viewing straight on to slight angle, windows to left and right of TV with blinds and curtains

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
no

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?
no

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?
no

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?
sports, movies

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?
DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?
stationary

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?
not really, pretty simple


I've checked into the Panasonic's after reading through most of the thread and I will probably go that route in the 42-50" range.

I am looking for a little more understanding on what I need to view web streaming, is it simply connecting my computer to the TV? My laptop has an HDMI slot that I can connect but what other long-term/more permanent options do I have for using the TV as a monitor -- buy a tower and leave permanently connected?

Thanks for the help!!

You can't go wrong with a Panasonic. a 50" would do you well.

As far as web streaming, it really is as simple as connecting your computer to your TV or receiver over HDMI. You can either buy a tower or a HTPC such as the Dell Inspiron Zino for a more permanent solution. You shouldn't need anything fancy, but something with a Core 2 Duo or better, 2 or more gigs of RAM, a dedicated video card (doesnt have to be high end), and as much hard drive space as you can afford would get the job done. I've got my desktop hooked into my receiver and run 1080p movies with full DTS surround sound and and I love my setup.

[JamminGator]

Wow, that Dell Zino is sweet! And not really very expensive either. Thanks for the help helix -- I appreciate your contributions to the board!

[Lutz]

Your thoughts?

http://www.hhgregg.com/ProductDetail.asp?SID=n&ProductID=23675&BrandStore=All

I don't mind having my TV on a stand. I've been reading that the DLP technology on these (2009) Mitsu sets are supposed to be better that the DLPs of years past.

[helix139]

Your thoughts?

http://www.hhgregg.com/ProductDetail.asp?SID=n&ProductID=23675&BrandStore=All

I don't mind having my TV on a stand. I've been reading that the DLP technology on these (2009) Mitsu sets are supposed to be better that the DLPs of years past.

Good TV, but rear projection still has some fundamental limitations, such a limited viewing angle. You're going to get a fairly good and large image for a good price, though.

[NothingRemains10]

What is better? LED or LCD?

[helix139]

What is better? LED or LCD?

Well first off, there is no "LED" television. What you're talking about is an LCD with LED backlighting instead of flourescent. A couple points: LED backlighting is superior to flourescent. There is less leakage due to the localized nature of LED's and you'll usually end up with superior blacks (still behind good plasmas though) and more vivid colors. Now, there are two kinds of LED backlighting. One uses white LEDs (WLED), which produces less leakage and darker blacks than flourescent, but the problems are still there. The other type is RGBLED, which uses red, green, and blue LEDs and thus avoids many of these problems. Your blacks still won't be pure black and you'll still have some cloudiness, but it is the best you can get outside of plasma.

The downside is WLED backlighting is expensive and RGBLED backlighting is even more expensive. For far less money you can get a plasma with a superior picture in every aspect except screen brightness. Chances are you would not notice this unless you watch your TV in atypically bright lighting conditions.

[Aardvark]

Anyone here have a LED HDTV and if so, how does it stack up to a LCD & Plasma?

[helix139]

Anyone here have a LED HDTV and if so, how does it stack up to a LCD & Plasma?

LED is simply a type of LCD. It just uses LEDs for backlighting instead of flourescent bulbs.

There are 2 types of LED backlighting: White LED (WLED) and Red-Green-Blue LED (RGBLED). RGBLED is generally thought to be superior, but both have significant advantages over standard LCD. For one, since backlighting can be done locally rather than having to keep the same brightness over the entire screen, clouding and bleeding is reduced and static contrast ratio is higher. Additionally, color reproduction is superior to flourescent backlit LCDs, especially on the RGBLED version. Power consumption is also better, the backlights should last longer (though that shouldn't be a problem with any LCD unless you keep your TV for 30+ years), and blacks should be darker.

That said, it's still an LCD and still has some problems inherent to shining a light through a pane of crystals. There will still be some light bleeding which is more pronounced on darker scenes. You're also going

A good plasma is always going to be fundamentally superior in terms of black level, color reproduction, price, and native contrast and inferior in terms of heat production, brightness, and power consumption.

For my money, I'd still go with Plasma. Even the lower model Panasonics are superior to LED backlit LCDs

[krameruf]

I can see Helix is the expert here. My question is more relating to a complex surround sound/networking system that the house I just bought has. If anyone is an expert with that let me know and I can go into detail and post some pictures.

I will have to buy a TV soon but I need to find out how the heck I'm going to get HD from the closet everything is in to the TV. There is no audio inputs in the TV nook and I don't think they have HD running through Cat5 like I've read is possible.

[vaxcardinal]

what will be your source of HD signal? satellite, cable, antenna?

[krameruf]

what will be your source of HD signal? satellite, cable, antenna?

Cable will be my source. My problem is there are no audio hookups in the wall by the TV and no HDMI hookup(That I can tell).

I've attached a picture of the hookup behind the TV. The audio wiring you see is going up to a speaker. The room has that speaker plus four others but the hookups are in the closet.

I can't put the cable box by the TV because I'd have no way to get sound from there to the closet and if I put the cable box in the closet I can't get HDMI back to the TV.

Attached a picture of the closet and the cabinet that I have the modem/router/cable set up in.

[helix139]

Cable will be my source. My problem is there are no audio hookups in the wall by the TV and no HDMI hookup(That I can tell).

I've attached a picture of the hookup behind the TV. The audio wiring you see is going up to a speaker. The room has that speaker plus four others but the hookups are in the closet.

I can't put the cable box by the TV because I'd have no way to get sound from there to the closet and if I put the cable box in the closet I can't get HDMI back to the TV.

Attached a picture of the closet and the cabinet that I have the modem/router/cable set up in.

I would just buy a length of HDMI cable and run it through the wall and put the cable box in the closet, but that's just me. Cut a hole in the drywall behind the TV and put in a plate in if need be, but I think you could just get some uncrimped wire and run it through one of the existing holes.

[krameruf]

I would just buy a length of HDMI cable and run it through the wall and put the cable box in the closet, but that's just me. Cut a hole in the drywall behind the TV and put in a plate in if need be, but I think you could just get some uncrimped wire and run it through one of the existing holes.

I've read about loss in quality once you get over 40 feet. Any experience with that?

[helix139]

I've read about loss in quality once you get over 40 feet. Any experience with that?

HDMI doesn't experience a loss in quality. The signal either gets there or it doesnt. You could experience loss in picture, but you can also run it through a signal amplifier to solve the problem.

[krameruf]

HDMI doesn't experience a loss in quality. The signal either gets there or it doesnt. You could experience loss in picture, but you can also run it through a signal amplifier to solve the problem.

Thanks. Is it true you can run HD over component cables? I have them running from the Living room to the media closet.

[helix139]

Thanks. Is it true you can run HD over component cables? I have them running from the Living room to the media closet.

You can, but I would avoid it. The fewer times you have to convert from digital to analog and back, the better your quality will be. Also, some AV components can be finicky when it comes to 1080p over component, and it wont carry surround sound.

[Aardvark]

Cheaper HDMI cables are just as good as the expensive ones, is that correct?

[LakeGator]

As long as the cables do not physically break there is no effective difference between cheap and expensive HDMI cables. Probably the most important thing to check with cheap cables is the connector quality. These can break from the cable over time but that’s not very likely.

The signals in HDMI are digital so they either get through or they don’t but they can be lost at apparently random times. This results in picture distortion, sparklies (where single pixels drop out of the picture), or no picture display at all, only sound. If the cable length is long, 50 feet or more, then the gauge of the actual cable and insulation is important to reduce impedance and signal reflection to avoid signal loss.

The bottom line is that cheap cables are just as good as expensive ones as long as the cable length is not excessive and the cables are not total junk.

[helix139]

As long as the cables do not physically break there is no effective difference between cheap and expensive HDMI cables. Probably the most important thing to check with cheap cables is the connector quality. These can break from the cable over time but that’s not very likely.

The signals in HDMI are digital so they either get through or they don’t but they can be lost at apparently random times. This results in picture distortion, sparklies (where single pixels drop out of the picture), or no picture display at all, only sound. If the cable length is long, 50 feet or more, then the gauge of the actual cable and insulation is important to reduce impedance and signal reflection to avoid signal loss.

The bottom line is that cheap cables are just as good as expensive ones as long as the cable length is not excessive and the cables are not total junk.

This is correct. If the signal gets there, it will look the same regardless of the cable. At over 25 feet, with the cheapest cables (high gauge, cheap connectors) you can run into some problems with partial or complete signal loss, but theres no need to go out and overpay for Monster or some equivalent with places like monoprice that offer quality cables in a variety of gauges for reasonable prices.

[jhenderson251]

1. Total Budget: 1,100, but I'd be willing to go up to 2,000 if I could get a no-interest payment plan.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1. I have a pretty decent Infinity Surround system.

3. Specific discount club memberships? None.

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Not really, except for maybe price concerns.

4. Any restrictions on size? Not really, again, except for price concerns.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 12-15'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? Maybe for webstreaming, but that's probably it.

7. Do you plan to game on it? Yep. 360, Wii, PS3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? 3-4

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? I had a whole slew of problems with a Sony TV a few years ago, but I'll still consider it with "expert" approval

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Online would be fine.

11. Room Layout:
http://i50.tinypic.com/35mqlad.jpg
The patio door on the right wall has curtains.

12. 60" or larger wall, and willing to consider front projection? Yes on wall, and yes on considering projection as long as the price works out

13. Aesthetic requirements: No

14. Retailer/Vendor Discounts? No

15. Typical viewing content? Everything from Sabrina to Transformers to the World Series

16. Do it yourself type: I'm a man, so indubitably

17. Mounting preferences: I don't really have any

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? Nope

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The TV I'm currently considering is this one:

Panasonic TC-P46G15 (http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PAN46G15-60)

I've taken from perusing this thread that panasonic plasma is probably my best option. But which is better among these? The S1, S2, U1, G15, G25?

I bow to your superior acumen in regards to televisions. Thanks for the help.

[helix139]

1. Total Budget: 1,100, but I'd be willing to go up to 2,000 if I could get a no-interest payment plan.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1. I have a pretty decent Infinity Surround system.

3. Specific discount club memberships? None.

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Not really, except for maybe price concerns.

4. Any restrictions on size? Not really, again, except for price concerns.

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 12-15'

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? Maybe for webstreaming, but that's probably it.

7. Do you plan to game on it? Yep. 360, Wii, PS3

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? 3-4

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? I had a whole slew of problems with a Sony TV a few years ago, but I'll still consider it with "expert" approval

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online? Online would be fine.

11. Room Layout:
http://i50.tinypic.com/35mqlad.jpg
The patio door on the right wall has curtains.

12. 60" or larger wall, and willing to consider front projection? Yes on wall, and yes on considering projection as long as the price works out

13. Aesthetic requirements: No

14. Retailer/Vendor Discounts? No

15. Typical viewing content? Everything from Sabrina to Transformers to the World Series

16. Do it yourself type: I'm a man, so indubitably

17. Mounting preferences: I don't really have any

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)? Nope

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The TV I'm currently considering is this one:

Panasonic TC-P46G15 (http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PAN46G15-60)

I've taken from perusing this thread that panasonic plasma is probably my best option. But which is better among these? The S1, S2, U1, G15, G25?

I bow to your superior acumen in regards to televisions. Thanks for the help.

A couple things:

If you're looking to buy right away, that is an excellent TV. If you can, I'd wait for the next series of Panasonics though, due to the problems some have found with the black levels getting less black too soon. Even with that problem, Panasonic still makes the best looking Plasma and their blacks are deeper than their competitors.

Additionally, at your viewing distance, I'd try to find something 50 inches or more. I believe it will make a difference.

[krameruf]

You can, but I would avoid it. The fewer times you have to convert from digital to analog and back, the better your quality will be. Also, some AV components can be finicky when it comes to 1080p over component, and it wont carry surround sound.

Until I purchase my new TV I have a 720 that I'd be running the component through. My issue of course is the whole house is wired with component so that is a lot easier.

What I've learned is the receiver I buy will need to have upscalling if I want to run HDMI between my PS3 and DVR and then out to the TV via component.

[helix139]

Until I purchase my new TV I have a 720 that I'd be running the component through. My issue of course is the whole house is wired with component so that is a lot easier.

What I've learned is the receiver I buy will need to have upscalling if I want to run HDMI between my PS3 and DVR and then out to the TV via component.

Incorrect. Usually the signal will only go the other way around, i.e. come into the receiver through composite or component then send everything out over HDMI. Some receivers do have the ability to take things in over one input and spit it on any other input, though. Check out Pioneer's receivers, as I think they do this.

[Aardvark]

What's the big hoopla over 3D TV that's premiering this month?

[helix139]

What's the big hoopla over 3D TV that's premiering this month?

Have you seen Avatar?

[Aardvark]

No. Am waiting for the Blu-Ray version.

[helix139]

No. Am waiting for the Blu-Ray version.

If you still can, see it in IMAX 3D (or at least 3D in the theater). Completely worth the $15. It's an experience. Blu-Ray will sell it short.

[Aardvark]

ok

[GatoRella]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
We are really just looking for a TV and not a sound system. The budget for the TV is less than $1,000. Would prefer around $700.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

2-3

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

Sams, not sure about Costco.

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

Will not be wall mounting, and will be getting a new stand to put it on most likely.

4. Any restrictions on size?

Don’t need a monster, really looking for something around 42’’

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

Ten feet or so.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

Not really.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

No games.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

Don’t care.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

Would prefer a brick and mortar.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

Faces window, and might be an issue.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
Nope.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

Lots of sports :) and movies/dramas.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

Needs to go on a tv stand, not wall mount.

It is going to be my wedding present from a few family members and I really don’t know much about these TV’s. They have Sam’s Club access. They want me to tell them what I want and I don’t even know where to begin! I really appreciate all the advice.

[helix139]

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?
We are really just looking for a TV and not a sound system. The budget for the TV is less than $1,000. Would prefer around $700.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

2-3

3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

Sams, not sure about Costco.

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

Will not be wall mounting, and will be getting a new stand to put it on most likely.

4. Any restrictions on size?

Don’t need a monster, really looking for something around 42’’

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

Ten feet or so.

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

Not really.

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

No games.

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

Don’t care.

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

Would prefer a brick and mortar.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

Faces window, and might be an issue.

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?
Nope.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

Lots of sports :) and movies/dramas.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

Needs to go on a tv stand, not wall mount.

It is going to be my wedding present from a few family members and I really don’t know much about these TV’s. They have Sam’s Club access. They want me to tell them what I want and I don’t even know where to begin! I really appreciate all the advice.

Shop this model...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+42%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9761059.p?id=1218168620157&skuId=9761059

In your price range and it would do you very well. Alternatively, you can save even more if you go for the 720p model (you don't need 1080p, so don't let it define your purchasing criteria), but the other specs aren't quite as good also and that is something to consider.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+42%22+Class+/+720p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9770484.p?id=1218170522194&skuId=9770484

IMO you'd be more than happy with either, so I'd recommend going to the store and actually looking at them side by side and then shopping around for the best price.

[GatoRella]

Awesome!

Thanks for the help!

[GatoRella]

Tom, now that I think about it I might want some computer video inputs so I can stream netflix on my tv would this be a better selection? I guess the sound quality on this one might be the issue?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+42%22+Class+/+720p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9791253.p?skuId=9791253&id=1218175547625

[helix139]

Tom, now that I think about it I might want some computer video inputs so I can stream netflix on my tv would this be a better selection? I guess the sound quality on this one might be the issue?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+42%22+Class+/+720p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9791253.p?skuId=9791253&id=1218175547625

Tom, now that I think about it I might want some computer video inputs so I can stream netflix on my tv would this be a better selection? I guess the sound quality on this one might be the issue?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+42%22+Class+/+720p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9791253.p?skuId=9791253&id=1218175547625

Does your computer lack a DVI or HDMI output? If so, my guess is you're running integrated video or an old video card and it would be easy and worth it to upgrade to something more recent with DVI or HDMI out. You should be able to do this for around $50 if this is the case. If you're stuck with an older laptop where you can't upgrade the video, don't sweat it because there are some USB and docking station solutions to gain the extra output. If you do have HDMI or DVI output, all you need is the correct cable to hook into one of the HDMI outputs on your TV.

In my opinion the picture quality on the Panasonics is superior to the Samsungs and I'd try to stick with them.

[krameruf]

You can, but I would avoid it. The fewer times you have to convert from digital to analog and back, the better your quality will be. Also, some AV components can be finicky when it comes to 1080p over component, and it wont carry surround sound.

Well I ended up doing everything over component because it was already wired. I'm sure I'll run HDMI one day but it's a good fix for now. Thanks for the help.

http://images2d.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp53696%3Enu%3D325%3A%3E333%3E937%3EWS NRCG%3D3434%3B46%3B%3B%3A32%3Cnu0mrj

[vaxcardinal]

Anyone know what brand tv these are: www.rtcview.com

[Gatorbait45]

Hey guys, pretty new to boards but been a lurker for awhile. In the market for a new t.v. since my 32'' Vizio just broke. Any advice you can give would be great

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? $500-800. Mainly for a TV


2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at al about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here) 2


3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
B.J's

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Live in an apartment so wall mount is not an option

4. Any restrictions on size? No as long as it is within budget

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 8-10 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? Nope

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? Yes. Lots of Call of Duty on XBOX 360

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most mportant (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? No as long as provides a quality picture
10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy t online? Doesn't matter

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds)
There are windows perpendicular to where the TV will be but, they will be covered by a blackout curtain
12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Nope
13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors? No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports and DVD's mostly

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? Wall mount not possible

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace) No

[helix139]

Hey guys, pretty new to boards but been a lurker for awhile. In the market for a new t.v. since my 32'' Vizio just broke. Any advice you can give would be great

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)? $500-800. Mainly for a TV


2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at al about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here) 2


3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)
B.J's

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection? Live in an apartment so wall mount is not an option

4. Any restrictions on size? No as long as it is within budget

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be? 8-10 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor? Nope

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)? Yes. Lots of Call of Duty on XBOX 360

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most mportant (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible). 5

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike? No as long as provides a quality picture
10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy t online? Doesn't matter

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds)
There are windows perpendicular to where the TV will be but, they will be covered by a blackout curtain
12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection? Nope
13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of? No

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors? No

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)? Sports and DVD's mostly

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type? DIY

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle? Wall mount not possible

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace) No

I like the Panasonic Plasmas the best currently, and it isn't really that close for me. Given you price range I believe they are the obvious choice as LED LCD is out of your range. Thus, the advice below refers to the Panasonics.

At your price range, you're going to be limited to either a 42", 46" or 50" more than likely. At 42" and your viewing distance, 1080p should not be a deciding factor, but at this point 720p models are budget models and generally missing some additional features that the 1080p sets offer or generally have inferior specs besides resolution.

At 50" at your viewing distance, 1080p may start to become visible. The problem is the 50" 1080p sets are a couple hundred bucks out of your price range unless you can find a deal. 50" 720p sets are available and in your price range, but then you may get hit with a double whammy of a deficiency in resolution and deficiency in other specs and features compared to the 720p sets.

The situation for you at 46" is very similar to the one at 50", with 1080p being out of your budget and missing out on features at 720p, however resolution is a little less of a factor here at your distance, but depends on your eyesight.

If you can find a 46" or 50" 1080p panasonic in your price range, jump all over it (unless it is last year's model with the blacks that fade a little quicker. Still an excellent set but I'd rather have the best blacks I can get). Otherwise, take a look at this year's 42" 1080p sets. The S and U series are both within your price range and I believe that is where you will find the best picture for your money.

[Gatorbait45]

Do I need to worry about burn-in with the newer plasmas? I know that was a huge factor in the past.

[helix139]

Do I need to worry about burn-in with the newer plasmas? I know that was a huge factor in the past.

Nah. Newer plasmas have several different technologies to mitigate the risk. Unless you're using it as a monitor and have your desktop just sitting there on it for hours on end, leave your games paused and walk away for hours, etc., its not really going to be a problem. Even in the event it does occur, it usually isn't permanent as you can "whitewash" the screen and essentially burn away the retained image. Even on things like sports where networks show their ESPN bottom line equivalent, the commercials usually do a good enough job varying the display so it isn't an issue.

[Gatorbait45]

How do you feel about Samsung plasmas? I found a couple within my price range with the specs you gave me above.

[helix139]

How do you feel about Samsung plasmas? I found a couple within my price range with the specs you gave me above.

They aren't bad, but honestly Samsung's strength is in LCD's. Panasonic does plasma better than anyone now that Pioneer is out of the busines, and offers the best value in terms of picture quality per dollar. If I had to go a little smaller to get a Panny over a Samsung I would do it without hesitating. I believe they also have longer rated lifespans, too.

[Gatorbait45]

Looking like this one may be my choice,

http://www.brandsmartusa.com/ProductViewer.aspx?c=0&m=0&sc=0&pg=1&pgs=10&pid=2007170&f=

It will either be that one or I may scale back and get the 42" that is 1080p,

http://www.brandsmartusa.com/ProductViewer.aspx?c=0&m=0&sc=0&pg=1&pgs=10&pid=2007156&f=

[helix139]

Looking like this one may be my choice,

http://www.brandsmartusa.com/ProductViewer.aspx?c=0&m=0&sc=0&pg=1&pgs=10&pid=2007170&f=

It will either be that one or I may scale back and get the 42" that is 1080p,

http://www.brandsmartusa.com/ProductViewer.aspx?c=0&m=0&sc=0&pg=1&pgs=10&pid=2007156&f=

You may find it helpful to know that Best Buy has better prices on the sets you listed. If I were you, I'd go with the 42. The picture will be better due to the better specs, and at your viewing distance 42" is plenty.

[Jackson]

Appreciate the help guys!

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

- $700 or less

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

- FOUR
3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

- No

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

- Will probably not be wall mounted at this time.

4. Any restrictions on size?

- 42" to 45"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

- 10 to 15 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

- No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

- Some, Wii (we also use the game console for Netflix 'instant watch' movies)

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

- Three

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

- No preference

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

- I’d be willing to purchase it online if it’s cheaper with shipping included.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

- Corner of room

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

- No front projection for me.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

- Would prefer TV casing to be black and not shiny.

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

- 20% off at hhgregg right now.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

- All of the above.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

- DIY type

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

- I've already got a pivot for it.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

- At least three HDMI inputs (would like four). 240 Hertz if possible in this price range.

[panamacitygator]

Sears has a Panasonic VIERA® TC-P42C2 for 539.00. It has 600 hz and has 2 HDMI ports or a Panasonic VIERA® TC-P42S2 42-inch that is 1080p and 600 hz with 3 HDMI ports for 809.00

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775500000P?vName=Computers+%26+Ele ctronics&cName=Televisions&sName=View+All&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

[helix139]

Sears has a Panasonic VIERA® TC-P42C2 for 539.00. It has 600 hz and has 2 HDMI ports or a Panasonic VIERA® TC-P42S2 42-inch that is 1080p and 600 hz with 3 HDMI ports for 809.00

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775500000P?vName=Computers+%26+Ele ctronics&cName=Televisions&sName=View+All&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

one point I should make is that the "600hz" thing on a plasma is a bit of a misnomer. Every plasma has 8 or 10 sub fields and they each flash at 60fps. LCD refreshes the screen either 60, 120, or 240 times per second. Plasma really doesn't have a "refresh rate" but near instantaneous phosphor (pixel) response. Thus, you end up with a technology that is superior at handling motion, even though 600hz is just a marketing term.

[helix139]

Appreciate the help guys!

1. What is your total home theater budget (TV and surround system)?

- $700 or less

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value sound as compared to your TV? 1 is you don't care at all about sound, you just want a TV, and 10 is you HAVE to have the best surround sound, even if it may cut back on your TV size and quality. (If you already have a surround system and do not wish to buy a new one, answer 1 here)

- FOUR
3. Do you have any specific discount club memberships? (i.e. Sam's, Costco, etc.)

- No

4. Do you need to wall mount it or have other reasons you would only consider flat panel and not rear projection or front projection?

- Will probably not be wall mounted at this time.

4. Any restrictions on size?

- 42" to 45"

5. What is your typical viewing distance going to be?

- 10 to 15 feet

6. Do you plan to use it as a computer monitor?

- No

7. Do you plan to game on it? if so, what system(s)?

- Some, Wii (we also use the game console for Netflix 'instant watch' movies)

8. On a scale of (1) to (10), rate which is more important to you within your size restrictions, picture quality, or size? (1) being quality is most important (i.e. you are willing to sacrifice a few inches for the best picture possible as long as it meets your minimum needed size ), and (10) being size is most important (i.e. picture quality is not important at all if you can get the biggest screen possible).

- Three

9. Are there any brands you definitely prefer? Are there any you definitely dislike?

- No preference

10. Do you have to buy your TV in a brick and mortar store (i.e. Best Buy) or would you be willing to buy it online?

- I’d be willing to purchase it online if it’s cheaper with shipping included.

11. What is the layout of your room, and where will your TV be situated? be sure to disclose any windows, lamps, or other ambient light sources that you would not be willing to cover with curtains (NOT blinds).

- Corner of room

12. Do you have an available wall that is 60" or larger and are you willing to consider front projection?

- No front projection for me.

13. Any aesthetic requirements we should be aware of?

- Would prefer TV casing to be black and not shiny.

14. Do you have any discounts with any retailers or vendors?

- 20% off at hhgregg right now.

15. What is your typical viewing content? (dramas, sports, action, etc.)?

- All of the above.

16. Are you planning on a professional installation, or are you the DIY type?

- DIY type

17. If you get a flat panel, will you want to wall mount it and will you want a stationary mount or something that pulls out from the wall and pivots your TV to an angle?

- I've already got a pivot for it.

18. Anything else we should be aware of (i.e. mounting over fireplace, etc.)?

- At least three HDMI inputs (would like four). 240 Hertz if possible in this price range.

At that distance you really need to go bigger. I'd recommend at least a 50." You're also going to have real problems finding a decent sound system for that budget also. If I were you I'd try to save a little bit more before making a purchase, but if that isn't doable, here are some thoughts.

You have no particular need for 1080p, but as with some of the recommendations above, the 1080p sets will give you a better picture for reasons other than resolution. I am partial to Panasonics plasmas as they offer a superior picture to anything else out there, are not expensive, and offer a great value.

in the 42" range, you have the U series (1080p and a better picture) and the C series (720p). The U series is at the upper end of your price range.

the 46" and 50" C series are also within your price range.

[Swamper]

For watching sports, are the new LCDs (higher refresh rate) pretty close to plasmas to not notice any difference? If so, is there still an advantage to buying plasma for viewing quality?

[helix139]

For watching sports, are the new LCDs (higher refresh rate) pretty close to plasmas to not notice any difference? If so, is there still an advantage to buying plasma for viewing quality?

They are better but still an obvious advantage for plasma. The thing is, television is only displayed at 60fps. When watching interlaced 1080i or 480i content, the set receives the odd numbered lines of frame alternating with the even numbered lines of a frame, which are reaassembled by your flat panel for an effective frame rate of 30fps. With progressive content, you get a true 60 full frames per second. With film content on blu ray or DVD, you get 24 full frames per second. On 60hz LCDs, most content was fine as long as the TV's refresh rate was in sync with the viewing content.

Where the problems happened were when the pixel response rate was not fast enough (this results in ghosting and "blur") and when you are displaying film content, which required what is known as 3:2 pulldown (displaying 3 frame A 3 times, frame B 2 times, frame C 3 times, etc.) which results in a jittery picture. 120hz is the lowest common denominator of 24, 30, and 60 so thus no pulldown is necessary and the picture for all content will be smoother as all frames for a given piece of content will be displayed the same number of times. 240hz is mostly marketing and displays each frame twice as many times as 120hz.

Additionally, with many of the sets that have higher refresh rates, manufacturers have introduced interpolation to try to make the experience even smoother. Essentially, instead of simply displaying frame A 4 times and then frame B 4 times before displaying frame C, the set will display frame A and then make an educated guess at what is going on between frames A and B for the next 3 frames to try to make a smoother experience. Of course, it is still making something out of nothing so this is not entirely efficient.

Plasma is different entirely. Instead of having to "refresh the screen" by twisting the crystals in the panel 60, 120, or 240 times per second, plasma actually fires the phosphors up to 60 times per second. the phosphors have no "response" time as they are able to change color and brightness instantly. there are multiple sub-fields of phosphors, up to 10, and all will be fired to create your continuous picture.

What you end up with is a superior experience when it comes to motion. It's the nature of the technology and Plasma will always be superior to any form of LCD in this regard.

Additionally, they continue to offer better blacks, better contrast, and better color reproduction. The only area where LCDs are really superior is brightness, and in most homes plasmas are going to be plenty bright.

[Aardvark]

Since I may be getting another HDTV as I stated in another thread, what do y'all think of the 46" Panasonic Plasma(TCP46G10) for $999?

[helix139]

Since I may be getting another HDTV as I stated in another thread, what do y'all think of the 46" Panasonic Plasma(TCP46G10) for $999?

That is an excellent set. You can't go wrong with the G series.

[scrappygator]

Where did you find that Panasonic helix?

Thanks

[helix139]

Where did you find that Panasonic helix?

Thanks

I didn't. Aardvark did. Should be available at most retail outlets, though.

[Aardvark]

Helix, considering my viewing distance is around 15 feet and half of my viewing will be Blu-Ray disks, is a 46" Plasma going to be big enough or should I go 42" or 54"?

[helix139]

Helix, considering my viewing distance is around 15 feet and half of my viewing will be Blu-Ray disks, is a 46" Plasma going to be big enough or should I go 42" or 54"?

I'd go at least 50" or larger. I think you should be able to get a 50" Panny for not much more than the 46"

[Aardvark]

Helix or anyone,

Speaking of Panny's which of these 2 would be best, taking in consideration of price, quality, etc:


Panasonic VIERA TCP50U1 50" Diagonal 1080p Plasma for $900 or the Panasonic Viera TCP54G10 54" 1080p Plasma for $1800?

Basically, what's the differnece between a "U" series vs a "G" series?

Thanks again...

[Aardvark]

Apparently the problem w\ my Samsung is a known problem & can be fixed by replacing a couple of capacitors in the power supply PCB. I found a fixit video on YouTube of all places.

[helix139]

Apparently the problem w\ my Samsung is a known problem & can be fixed by replacing a couple of capacitors in the power supply PCB. I found a fixit video on YouTube of all places.

I take it you don't need the Panasonic then?

[Aardvark]

I am going to probably get one of the Panasonic's and give the Samsung to one of my Stepsons.

Having to deal w\ poor customer service from Samsung & my TV having broke twice in the past year, did it for me. :devil:

[Aardvark]

So which of the Panny's should I get?

[vaxcardinal]

Helix or anyone,

Speaking of Panny's which of these 2 would be best, taking in consideration of price, quality, etc:


Panasonic VIERA TCP50U1 50" Diagonal 1080p Plasma for $900 or the Panasonic Viera TCP54G10 54" 1080p Plasma for $1800?

Basically, what's the differnece between a "U" series vs a "G" series?

Thanks again...

Not an expert but to me it looks like an $800 difference :grin:

[Aardvark]

My point exactly, other than being a 4" difference why would the "G" series justify a higher cost than a "U" series?

[helix139]

My point exactly, other than being a 4" difference why would the "G" series justify a higher cost than a "U" series?

The G is going to offer a marginally better picture than an equivalent U series. I think they also may have THX certification. That said a U series would be a great TV and if I were you I'd look for a 54" U series

[smartz]

helix is correct. The G picture is better (better panel technology, better contrast, and faster response) plus the THX is a big deal. They require that the display performs to industry specs and the PDP is pre-calibrated from the factory. If you plan to regularly play games or watch movies, the G series is the one to get.

As far as price, you are comparing a 50" to a 54". The 50" TCP54G10 is about $1140 on amazon. One last thing, unless this is for a small room, get the biggest you can afford. You'll always wish you got a bigger one.

[Aardvark]

Ok, here's another choice(which HDTV is the best bang for buck?):

Panasonic VIERA S2 Series 54" @ $1440 or Panasonic Viera TCP54G10 54" @ $1800?

[jewood592]

With respect to budget, give a total budget for the whole system, not just the TV. I have a $70K media room and my TV and screen was only $19K. My sound system/DVD/speakers etc were about $12K, the rest of the budget was chairs, install and build out. My remote cost $1K for crying out load.

My everyday system (60in plasma) was about $5k for the TV and about $2500 for the rest. That remote only cost $100 and does basically the same thing. I installed this system my self.

So-- we need to know:

1. Total budget.
2. Do you prefer big TV or Big sound or balance of the two
3. Do it your self or pro installed

So the Gator/Tide viewing party is at your house?:grin:

[LeafUF]

Found this chart comparing the 2010 Panasonic Viera's on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003924UBG

It compares the G25 to the S2. I dont know how much of that is relevant to the G10 but you might get a good idea by checking it out. See if there is a feature you feel you would be gaining with the extra cash.

[Aardvark]

Thanks Leaf!

Btw, is THX & Viera cast really worth the extra cost as far as Panasonic Plasmas are concerned?

[LeafUF]

THX might be, Viera cast I dont think is that big of a deal, somewhere on that page it shows what you get with it, Pandora and Netflix are nice but I already get Netflix through my Xbox, not sure about the other things it offers.

[helix139]

THX might be, Viera cast I dont think is that big of a deal, somewhere on that page it shows what you get with it, Pandora and Netflix are nice but I already get Netflix through my Xbox, not sure about the other things it offers.

Supposedly Viera Cast is getting Skype video calling this year also

[Aardvark]

I think I'm going to wait to get a Panny 54" G25 when it drops to my price range.

[LeafUF]

I think I'm going to wait to get a Panny 54" G25 when it drops to my price range.

I am looking at the G25s also but I think I will wait until the fall. No real need for a great TV until the fall anyway when we get playoff baseball and the start of the football season.

Considering what I paid for my 32" Sony LCD 4 years ago they already feel like a steal but I can wait a few months and probably get even more for my money.

[Aardvark]

Got my new Panny today it's fabulous. My Samsung is a tab bit brighter & sharper though.

[helix139]

Got my new Panny today it's fabulous. My Samsung is a tab bit brighter & sharper though.

Is your samsung an LCD? If so, pretty much any LCD will be brighter than plasma. It shouldn't be sharper, though. Check your settings.

[Aardvark]

LCD.

Do you have any advice on setting the Panny up?

[helix139]

LCD.

Do you have any advice on setting the Panny up?

http://www.avsforum.com/

They'll have settings for your specific model in one of the threads. If you got the G series, though, it should be calibrated already.

[Aardvark]

Thanks for the AVS link.

[Aardvark]

Kudos to Samsung & the local JAX repair shop for repairing my Samsung LN52A750 LCD HDTV @ no cost to me(not under warranty). It's a known problem w\ Samsung's so Samsung is repairing the power supplies(replacing the caps) at no cost to the owners.

[Gatorbait45]

What do you guys think of this T.V.: http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-47LD450/13904852
I found it a great price, less than $900 and was wondering if I should jump all over it or wait. Thanks.

[Gatorramrod]

Sony Bravo XR9 46" or 52" try Amazon.com for prices I got the 46" with blue ray recorder last year for 1600.00 and the 52" for 2100.00 I'm sure they are cheaper now.

[helix139]

What do you guys think of this T.V.: http://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-47LD450/13904852
I found it a great price, less than $900 and was wondering if I should jump all over it or wait. Thanks.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+/+46%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9887962.p?id=1218189764765&skuId=9887962

Better

[Gatorbait45]

Finally pulled the trigger, couldn't resist the awesome financing deal Best Buy is running right now. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+BRAVIA+46%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9763694.p?id=1218169464795&skuId=9763694

I know there was a link in this thread for a website that listed the picture settings for individual TV's but I looked back through and couldn't find it. Does anyone happen to have that link or could help me with picture settings?

Thanks

[vaxcardinal]

problem avsforum.com

[diehardgator1]

my 15 year old Hitachi 43 inch has let me down. They want 500.00 to fix it . Am looking at a 55 inch LG plasma at Best buy number 55LD520 list 1899.00 sales 1299.00 they also throw in free a 19" lcd HDTV . My granddaughter is leaving for collage next week and I would give the 19 inch to her. The LG is 120HZ with a 2.4 ms response time. Will I have a problem with any blur and what do any you think of this deal? THX I can also get 18 mo free interest

[helix139]

my 15 year old Hitachi 43 inch has let me down. They want 500.00 to fix it . Am looking at a 55 inch LG plasma at Best buy number 55LD520 list 1899.00 sales 1299.00 they also throw in free a 19" lcd HDTV . My granddaughter is leaving for collage next week and I would give the 19 inch to her. The LG is 120HZ with a 2.4 ms response time. Will I have a problem with any blur and what do any you think of this deal? THX I can also get 18 mo free interest

That LG is an LCD, not a plasma. LCDs have refresh rates and response times, plasmas don't. You shouldn't have any problem with blur with the 120hz refresh rate (TV and movies never send anything over 60fps anyways) but keep in mind LCDs are inherently worse at handling motion than plasma and even the best LCD is going to come up a little short in that area.

Personally, if I were you I'd go with this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+/+54%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9887104.p?id=1218189762792&skuId=9887104

Better set, same price, and same free 19" TV deal.

[diehardgator1]

thx

[diehardgator1]

Which one will have the best picture? We do not play games and use it to view tv only. We are looking for the best color and picture thx.

[helix139]

Which one will have the best picture? We do not play games and use it to view tv only. We are looking for the best color and picture thx.

The Panasonic will handle motion better, display deeper blacks, have a much higher natural contrast, and produce truer colors than the LG or any LCD is capable of. The LG will appear brighter and may "pop" more on the showroom floor, but get it into your house where the lights aren't as bright and using proper settings and the Panasonic wins hands down. The only sets that can compare in some areas are the LED backlit LCDs and the LG is not one of .

[diehardgator1]

many thx

[Gatorbait45]

There were a couple sites that I can't find looking back through this thread. One of them listed picture settings for specific televisions and the other was a site that sold HDMI cables at much cheaper prices than you can find at retail stores. If anyone could help me out with those it would be much appreciated.

[sevmonster]

AVS Forum

[sevmonster]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

[helix139]

There were a couple sites that I can't find looking back through this thread. One of them listed picture settings for specific televisions and the other was a site that sold HDMI cables at much cheaper prices than you can find at retail stores. If anyone could help me out with those it would be much appreciated.

monoprice.com for the HDMI cables

[Gatorbait45]

Are the cables on monoprice.com as good of quality as the ones you find in retail stores? Just wondering with such a discrepancy in prices for the two

[LeafUF]

Most of the stuff in retail stores is overpriced crap. The result will be the same no matter how much you spend on the cables you use. Except in very few special circumstances.

[panamacitygator]

Most of the stuff in retail stores is overpriced crap. The result will be the same no matter how much you spend on the cables you use. Except in very few special circumstances.I agree with Leaf. The Big Box stores make money on cables and flat screen mounts.

[helix139]

Are the cables on monoprice.com as good of quality as the ones you find in retail stores? Just wondering with such a discrepancy in prices for the two

HDMI is a digital interface, meaning that as long as the signal gets from point A to point B, it will look exactly the same as when it left the source. The only time you'd really ever have a problem with cable quality is if your cable is really low quality (not enough thickness, poor materials, etc. Monoprice isn't low quality) and you're doing long runs over 25 feet or so (where the signal could degrade to the point part or all of it doesn't get there) or if you place your inadequately shielded cable next to a strong magnetic field.

Thus, cable quality doesn't really matter. Are the $200 Monster cables from Best Buy higher quality than a $10 Monoprice cable? Maybe a little, but it will give you absolutely no benefit unless you have one of the extreme situations noted above. My suggestion is to go cheap unless you're having parts of the onscreen image and/or sound dropping out, in which case you would probably see a benefit from the expensive cables and you aren't out much money.